Touhou: MitLoF ~ Makai Mix (Game Over)

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fei/caled

Why fei/caled town?

~Wis

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My only game with Fei has been this, where he was scum and if I remember correctly he was defending people from my tunnels in a similar way he has been doing here with mollie.

mollie, Anti, Sakura, you were in that game, thoughts?

~Wis

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Anything in particular you [anyone] want me to comment on?

What are your reads?

~Wis

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beast is scummy

Why?

~Wis

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I don't think he was entirely serious about that push. What do you think about the rest of his play?

~Wis

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ok mollie rn the players i think i would like to get more out of right now are ank, alch and jingle. nullslightscum/probtown/null respectively. WHat do you think?

i understand your point about jingle in terms of timing and sheeping also his summary post is basically a summary of what happened with little insight as to what his reads actually are.
Jingle who are the suspicious individuals jumping on haj and why? Why do you trust anti so much re:his mollie read? Also what is your read on MS/Dreams?

You can 1v1 with me if you want.

No

~M

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Actually notty is pretty town, IMO.
Regardless of the few niggles I had on him after last night's engagement.

~M

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Well Ank

my problem with you currently is that there was things that went on in the pages that you refuse to read that could be helpful in you gathering reads on players, but your refusal to do so is bothering.

~M

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Actually notty is pretty town, IMO.
Regardless of the few niggles I had on him after last night's engagement.

~M

I trust you 2 about as far as I can throw you.

but wis is my sister and I will stand behind that for the time being.

I didn't ask for you to trust me or us.
I'm just telling people how I feel about Notty. So I just don't really understand your vote nor did I ever understand your push on me, but I let it go.

~M

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eh, why would he mention that if he's 3rd party

~Wis

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dunno i dont think so

~Wis

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Why would they ask that as town?

hes done a lot of things that are weird for town. It's already explained by him being newb.

~Wis

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Don't really like beast going after possible 3rd parties though. Might indicate scum.

~Wis

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Being new does NOT excuse being scummy. Key word is NOT.

It does excuse it in some cases. You've gotta be able to tell the difference.

~Wis

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It's just that people who aren't 3rd party are not likely to think about 3rd party. So you bringing it up out of nowhere could mean you thought about it because you are 3rd party.

But then I don't see you asking a flavor question about 3rd party like that as 3rd party.

~Wis

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But your interest as town is finding scum, you just don't care to think about third parties, especially in D1.

~Wis

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beast what do you think about actiondan and feirei hydra

~Wis

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Sakura, thoughts on feirei hydra? See 1111 too

~Wis

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Dunno about that. @pieguy

Fei first agreed with me that he might be town in 528, only to argue in 532 that nothing is town aboot what he's doing and that he'd like to lynch him but nobody wants to, and that's why he unvoted him. Plus calling him an opportunist.

After that he just treated him as stupid town, yes, but that might be because the general consensus was that and he didn't want to go against the flow.

~Wis

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feirei never explained his thought process there?

nope

and then he switched to a push on me that made little sense if any

~Wis

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Om your thoughts on fei hydra?

~Wis

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I prefer the Jakuzure wagon really, but I don't mind a Kagami wagon.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Kagami

~Wis

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The toxicity was caled, not fei (or so they claim anyway)

But still a dumb argument

And I don't even think I had posted anything toxic

~Wis

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Saki tends to be more of a lurker lately, last 2 games i had with him "PvZ and Ikaruga" he lurked and was scum and SK respectively, the game i modded a long time ago "tit for tat" he lurked and was town vig, so i dont know.
has NPAU even posted since game start?...

Is this bad that I totally disagree with everything that you just said here. Like every single word of it. I have played three games with Saki overall in the last two months. His town game was INCREDIBLY different from the two games mentioned above. His town game he did nothing and I mean nothing, but prod doge and hammer. Like nothing, but in Ikaruga and PvZ when pressured he had actually got his act together and pulled something out of his butt and contributed. The meta vastly differed between the two games. If you look at PvZ that I made a comment to Saki that I could if i wanted too give a meta argument to explain why I could have jumped on the Saki-train in PvZ or stayed off of it. One would have had me lying through skin of my teeth and the other would have been truth.

~M

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To be honest I don't see how I was more toxic than Mollie at the start of this game. In fact Mollie was x2 as worse in toxicity than I was.

As I said Fei, I asked you a question and you flat out ignored me. If you think I was scum for being toxic then point it out, but as I said how was my posts worst than Mollie in toxicity?

Doesn't change the fact Wisdom wasn't toxic at all besides the one point that he made to someone which I agreed with 100%.

You just decided to vote us because it seemed like Mollie could have been able to lynch us and it was an easy vote IMO.
I gave you the reasons why i wanted to let the mollie v i thing go it's course, but that was also ignored.

~M

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Mala do you have the same wagon priorities as Wis?

A lot of my reads are in early stages, but i have a few townreads {Mollie, Sakura, Pie, Notty, beeboy}. I also think Caled/Fei hydra are likely scum, beast I'm unsure of. I haven't liked Ank's posts. Saki can be a 50/50shot, but right now I want to say null-town.

~M

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Show you were what was?

~M

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i'm fucking ignoring you for the rest of the game.

and wis/mala, im putting a VI label on him. i'm still gonna call him out on his shit.

-F

also pieguy, I think this is what you liked about fei, but I would agree with you if this came as a result of his posts and not like this, with fei stating that he's going to do this. Dunno if this makes sense.

~Wis

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I told you that it's my main way of sorting her.

~M

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Hasn't happened yet! Well besides a hydra which doesn't count!

~M

Is this including this game?

No?

We have a hydra called Kerberos so how can we engage each other in a thread as scum when we share a slot..??

~M

Mala and mollie's fighting please stop.

No, trust me. Its better for us to do this early game then late game. Let it end naturally. We tend to avoid this shit if we are at opposite alignments and fight like cats and dogs when we are both town.

~M

And when you are both scum?

Hasn't happened yet! Well besides a hydra which doesn't count!

~M

Mala and mollie's fighting please stop.

No, trust me. Its better for us to do this early game then late game. Let it end naturally. We tend to avoid this shit if we are at opposite alignments and fight like cats and dogs when we are both town.

~M

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Sakura I'm talking to Fei

~M

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Nothing worth reading past 2 pages

you dont care about shiny kagami wagon?

~Wis

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Ok dont mind me then u.u

Maybe i should just go to sleep.

Also I was going to keep that Saki meta-read close to my chest, but judging by comments I made in the PvZ Scum PT I'm sure he had picked up on what i was pointing at. So I have decided to out it. literally the past month I been this open book that I been just letting my meta reads fly out in the open when i know I shouldn't.

~M

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Also there's more discussion about the player you're voting, so I don't think that's that useless to read

~Wis

(@MS)

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Sonic you do realize how annoying your play style is, right?

~M

with that i'm going to bed, gn!

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Oh one more thing:

Alch, how come a majority of your posts have been focusing on Pie? Do you have any offsite experience with any of these players in this current game? because I have this niggling feeling about you.

~m

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how dare you have me in the list with the non-existent people

~Wis

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Or people just know how to read me

~Wis

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so im back to scum now?

~Wis

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Mollie lately my playstyle is to reach out to those who i been playing with a lot lately and have vast experience with. So yes i was joking because not reaching out to you was a scum tell to myself because i hadnt tried at that point. Again you misinterpted it and too it too much to heart.

~M

Back after work.

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Alchemist, mod confirmed does not mean mod confirmed TOWN. I made the same mistake at first. All we know about Time is his flavor.

~Wis

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hey alchemist!

what part of nc do you live in?

also why do you think i am scum?

notty you are still not doing our thing. you are still avoiding me and getting all hostile

Franklin County. I was surprised to see how many players on this site are in NC.

Also my scumread on you was mainly for the emotional responses you were having with Curiosity and people saying that was a scum trait for you. Since then others have said the opposite. So, is there anything you can personally provide for me to reverse my read on you?

the only person who said it was a scum trait was wis and when he realised he was not gonna get me lynched he somehow spun it into a townread.

why do you think emotional outbursts are more likely to come from scum rather than town?

I was reactive to mala's digs. those were not jokes they were digs.

I am in chillout mode tho at the request of guy and om.

I shouldn't have to do a thing to prove to you that I am town it is evident in my posts. I am scumhunting like I am on steroids.

eta: yeah I was also surprised at how many peeps lived in nc and then suddenly I found myself on a commune. you shld come visit.

Spin spin spin~~

Town spin but spin spin spin

~M

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the only person who said it was a scum trait was wis and when he realised he was not gonna get me lynched he somehow spun it into a townread.

mollie this bullshit really annoys me. I did not claim your emotional outbursts are a scum trait for you. I know that's not true, I've seen you rage as town and we have even 1v1'd at toxic levels in Castle. What I was saying was that the ones I saw here in your exchange with Mala reminded me of similar ones I've seen from you as scum. And then I also said that you rage as scum because people like feirei were arguing you don't.

Can you please understand this and stop with the annoying misrepping?

~Wis

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mollie why are you accusing me of ignoring you when you're ignoring me

gun to my head I say scum.

but I am unsure on them. which is why I am interacting with them in order to figure them out.

you have hydra-ed with mala too so why are you asking me about them? your hydra meta is more recent than my own so why are you asking me?

Actually I fail how to see if you are interacting with us at all. Plus in past games you always handwave reading me to anyone because you state you can never read me, but it's weird how you haven't handwaved me off to anyone.

Also I'm not really liking Beeboy. Gut feeling really.

~M

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Mollie or Mara,

can either of you link the game or tell me the name of the game that you guys just butted heads and made someone flee the site? please because I'm either not finding it or suck at trying to find it.

Yeah I'm kinda wondering on Kagami-town actually. I want to talk to Wisdom about that.

~M

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i was gonna unvote but:

I've modded scummollie before. she wasn't this ragey.

-F

ok

i might have been wrong about caledhydra

I hope you mean this as wrong about them being town. Because saying mollie doesn't rage as scum is bullcrap.

~Wis

misrep! read that again. did it say "never rages as scum" or are you just bullshitting hoping people fall for it?

the fact curiosity is gonna get away with this isnt sitting right with us

also we really dont care if we get lynched anymore. just freaking get it over with already if you want scum to just walk all over you. our play is shit but y'alls is worse

its not really a misrep. You said she wasn't this ragey. Mollie has an emotional playstyle she can "rage" regardless of alignment, but you need to see the motivation for her rage to put it in perspective in regards to alignment. It was a bad wording on Wisdom's part. I have brought into the Mollie rage a few times when she was scum; I have also been in the backside of Mollie rage as town.

Rage for her is a null area.

Also your AtE and AtA is noted.

also mollie pls answer my question on the last page when you catch up, ty

~M

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which head is this? Caled?

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misrep! read that again. did it say "never rages as scum" or are you just bullshitting hoping people fall for it?

Are you retarded? Weren't you the one who kept saying "Mollie is not ragey as scum"? I was responding to that, not making the claim MYSELF that mollie raging is a scum trait.

~Wis

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you were scumreading me when you argued that I raged as scum.

so I am unsure of what misrep you are talking about. like that is not a misrep.

you and mala have both been tossing out "misrep" willynilly when so far it has not actually applied.

You still don't get the point.

I'll try again.

I didn't make the claim myself that you raging is a thing you only do as scum.

Feirei argued that you are not ragey as scum. And I called that bullshit, because you do. That does not mean you ONLY do it as scum. It means that what feirei was saying was bullshit.

~Wis

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I'm not sure mollie is actually reading the thread

likely not

~m

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Mala/Wis would you care to join me?

Not me.

~Wis

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i was gonna unvote but:

I've modded scummollie before. she wasn't this ragey.

-F

ok

i might have been wrong about caledhydra

I hope you mean this as wrong about them being town. Because saying mollie doesn't rage as scum is bullcrap.

~Wis

misrep! read that again. did it say "never rages as scum" or are you just bullshitting hoping people fall for it?

the fact curiosity is gonna get away with this isnt sitting right with us

also we really dont care if we get lynched anymore. just freaking get it over with already if you want scum to just walk all over you. our play is shit but y'alls is worse

VOTE: yakuzure

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have anybody played with feirei before? i dont know this person and they expect me to treat them nicely and answer their AtE like i'm their best friend or something

see 1111

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Wis if you want any hope of me townreading you two it'd probably be a smart idea to not vote town

pedit-

It has been.

pedit2-

She's been here occasionally.

They're not town.

~Wis

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Also I hated how people backed off Kagami. Kagami is prolly still scum. Her reactions to being wagoned do not come from town.

But Jakuzure wagon is still a million times better.

~Wis

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I've modded scummollie before. she wasn't this ragey.

-F

So what's this? And why not bring up your game with mollie here and talk about games you've modded instead?

~Wis

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MOLLIE ANSWER ME DAMNIT

~M

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I think feirei might be scum

bingo.

Did you ever answer my 1111?

~Wis

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So wis, what do you think of Alchemist's and beeboy's vote on Kagami.
Dont they feel kinda off?

Alchemist's reasons are weak, but meh. I don't really see scum trying to push the first reason.

I don't mind beeboy's, continues to follow the newbtown trend.

~Wis

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no

im calming down. thank wisdom for using ad hom to piss me off

I am waiting for you to retract your ridiculous accusation and apologize that you couldn't comprehend that I was answering to your own statement regarding mollie, not claiming that mollie only rages as scum.

~Wis

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good

VOTE: kagami

~Wis

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On the other hand, he also nullified the effect of whatever AtE he's doing, which doesn't make sense for a scum to do.
Actually he called it a nulltell when Wis decided to "note his AtE and AtA".

;;


that wasn't Wis, it was Mala.

Read the signing.

~M

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It's okay Sakura. You aren't the only one invisible to Mollie, I'm fucking done.

~M

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yeh i wouldnt mind switching to jingle, but I don't think kagami deserves to be unwagoned.

~Wis

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Meh. Would you say she has been obvscum?

~Wis

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hmmm

is curiosity town?

curious.

Sort me, find out.

~M

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^_^~

I just watched the funniest episode from TGW. So happy-sass is what you get

~M

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hmmm

is curiosity town?

curious.

ns

are you saying you've become incapable of reading me?

~Wis

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Meh. Would you say she has been obvscum?

~Wis

She has been in a few of my games before, but usually she's a smooth criminal. I'm paraphrasing from our QT, but the case this game is that she's being very slightly manipulative in her specific area of expertise--analytics. This doesn't make sense, I know, but reading her posts in isolation it sounds like she's trying to construct a specific narrative. Kagami isn't one who is succeptible to real confbias, so I lean towards scum.

No I meant, MS argued that kagami is not obvscum as scum, does that mean he considers kagami to have been obvscum this game?

~Wis

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or maybe it was you and not ms

~Wis

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Not really, MS. Most of the wagon was people going "sure, let's hop on it and see what happens". It doesn't mean she has been obvscum in any way.

Also, strong scum players are as good as the control they have over the game. I don't doubt that Kagami-scum could maybe start a game strongly and convince everyone she is obvtown. But she didn't have a chance to do such a thing here, and the game got out of her control. Couldn't you see her reaction to being wagoned as a scum player who is demotivated to do much because they're not controlling things? I sure can.

~Wis

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And might be kinda irrelevant, but I for some reason associate Kagami with Cabd and I've seen Cabd acting this same way towards being wagoned as scum (in Perpetual) so I can't help but think this might be similar.

~Wis

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See

I feel like you guys are town

but wicked is a thing

Ugh. I realllyyyyyyy want to say you are town, but this whole paranoia pill again. not liking it. One step forward, one step back.

Also:

Yep, I like this Song. Hell has frozen over, frozen over. >_>^

~M

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You do realize I'm going to intentionally trip every single tell I'm aware of this game correct

yes and you do realize that is going to tick me off the whole game, right? Because I need to read you correct.

~M

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ly*

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If you are town why would you bother tripping them at all? No, there's no intent to seriously sit here and drop every single scum tell I made you aware of. No, I wouldn't have made that comment, but you are making it THAT much harder to sort you. I'm already getting friction from someone I can *kinda* read and I don't need the same friction from you.

You are town, I want to keep believing you are town, but stop it, please?

~M

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Thank you.

<33 btw.

(For answering beeboy's question like you did. I just didn't want to crabby answer it. )

~M

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PAGETOP

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Let's do this again

Town: {beeboy, Dreams, haj, Mononoke, ns, Om, pieguy, mollie, Purple hero}
Nulltown: {Alchemist, beastcharizard, Gaiden, Saki}
Null: {Ankamius, Jakuzure, npiau, Time}
Nullscum: {ActionDan, Jingle, Kagami}

I think that's where I stand rn.

~Wis

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I still really don't get the Fei townread from you notty.

Can you explain?

~M

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I didn't like how beast tried to push beeboy for being a supposed 3rd party. Don't scum care about finding 3rd parties?

~Wis

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Thanks<33

Go sleep. I probably am too after just replaying that song like 20 times or so.

I'll prob skim some Fei games because I don't believe him and i have ever played.

~M

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When Kagami said s(he) knew what Dream's was doing about trying to get me to L-1 it felt like s(he) was trying to take advantage of the situation and go unnoticed and that is where my scum read came from

When did I say that?

Ok apparently that never happened at all wtf I swore someone claimed they knew what Dreams was doing

And no one sees anything wrong here?

No, this actually makes beeboy pretty obvtown

~Wis

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If I understand it correctly, pieguy is accused of projecting his desires/emotions to others. More simply put, manipulation.

~Wis

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^disclaimer: not that I agree with that, as pie is town

~Wis

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hey caled, wanna tell me now how my posts were toxic and how that's a scumtell?

~Wis

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And what did pieguy accuse you of that he did himself?

~Wis

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@caled

kay that makes some sense. we've not played together again, right?

~Wis

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okay. you can be town then, i find that players who play with me for the first time find my playstyle scummy. Probably for the same reasons you did.

~Wis

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mollie/curiosity both town

solved yet?

~Wis

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despite all the rubbish that newb-poster somehow means town.

I can feel your frustration, just when you thought you had found such a nice lynchfodder to push...

~Wis

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Unvote
Vote: Jingle

Back to this I suppose, I still don't see pie-scum... and now i dont see Kagami-Scum either...
Which means imma have to revise my reads...

kagami's still scum

~Wis

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Whyyy.
Her latest posts sound like genuine sentiment.

Not really

~Wis

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Best cop for tonight would be kagami really



If she is town she is a great bonus, if she is scum off to the gallows


That's sonics cop policy

hopefully she's be dead by rope by then

~Wis

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pieguy is town, just trust me

~Wis

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eh, it's not one of my strongest townreads but i've got townvibes here and there

~Wis

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yeh but it wasnt from his iso, it was during the gameflow

anyway I'll reconsider him later. There are more obvious scum around right now.

~Wis

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then tell nati to trust me too

~Wis

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huh.

actiondan's kagami vote was RVS.

winkwink

~Wis

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hey caled, wanna tell me now how my posts were toxic and how that's a scumtell?

~Wis

well i was reading a little of the game bc i was late to the party once again
and your posts made me gag
thus
you may be trying to fuck town up with your toxic posts

im not the type for indepth post analysis sorry ;n;

Ehhh this is perfect town


Someone cop curiosity tonight to solve the mollie/curiosity problem legit

Like this is a blatant attempt to direct the PR but I wish I was a cop :< they make things so easy

Pleaase stop this crap. Not only is it anti-town, our alignment should be easy if you pull your head out of the whole mollie v us thing and think.

I seriously hate when people direct actions.

~M

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pretty much the same if you exchange pie with kagami

and stop thinking we're scum, ty

~Wis

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I only said I had townvibes, he is not a strong townread and I'll reconsider him as I already said

also I totez thought you were Mara before

~Wis

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It's still coming from town

~Wis

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Antitown does not equal scum. Also playstyles you don't like don't equal scum

~Wis

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No sir. Town wants to find

scum

. Be it 2nd, 3rd or 15th party. They don't specifically go searching for 3rd party.

Scum on the other hand..

~Wis

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I only said I had townvibes, he is not a strong townread and I'll reconsider him as I already said

also I totez thought you were Mara before

~Wis

i also thought i was getting school about how mollie was so scum you caught her as scum THREE times and i didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground.

now you're INSISTING you're both town to the point where you're getting bent out of shape about metalsonic's cop shtick or whatever.

what happened there?

i found a door labeled Exit in my tunnel

~Wis

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I only said I had townvibes, he is not a strong townread and I'll reconsider him as I already said

also I totez thought you were Mara before

~Wis

i also thought i was getting school about how mollie was so scum you caught her as scum THREE times and

i didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground.

now you're INSISTING you're both town to the point where

you're getting bent out of shape about metalsonic's cop shtick or whatever

.

what happened there?

So like is there a reason you are trying to spin shit to see what sticks and what hits the walls?

Both Wisdom and I are signing our posts. The underline here was from me. Now two things: I have never been great at reading you Anti. I have more experience with playing with Mara than with you. I have hydra'd with Mara so I know how she thinks as both alignments. We have played together numerous times to count whereas you and I only played maybe three times. So yes I think I'll stick with the player I have more experience w/ in terms of reading.

Also re:cop thing. I hate people directing any type of actions because it makes it super clear coming into next day what could have happened and I find it fishing w/o really fishing. It's hard to explain; either way I never like it. I will say though this dislike is a null tell because I have bitched at people doing it while being on either alignment.

~M IS FOR MALAKITTENS.

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Oh i guess I hit the wrong button:

Underline should be italics

~M

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Mononoke's giving me gutscum feel..

I don't agree with the Mononoke read. I'm actually gettign a good town vibe on Sakura's posting.

Most of the last few pages has been garbage.

Oh taking notes from Nati I see. I think it's nati who complains that pages are garbage. Anything else you would like to comment on besides this^

VOTE: Jingle

his iso is abysmal

VOTE: Jakuzure Nonon

Such a good reason. Full of explanation and I clearly follow everything you are thinking.

Oh wait, both those statements are false.

Also, every time I read one of your posts I feel like you are scum.

everytime i read one of haj's posts, i want to lynch him. does that make him scum? no. next please.

I actually have to say I agree with Fei here about Haj.

@ anti

I am unsure about curiosity, wis and I are in a bit of a lockstep with some of reads as in we got them around the same time and for similar reasons. the thing that is bugging me is that wis did not "catch me" in perp mylo sangres did but jesus fucking christ every single member of the scumteam had an active hydra with either nacho or fery in an ongoing game (I had both so that is why I got caught out first!). so I don't understand the hubris but I can't ignore how much we are in sync. I wish I could trust him.

I have no read on time have they done anything at all this game pretty piss poor play from a mod confirmed play.

who else did you ask me about.

also why are you voting nopoint thing when you also have jingle as scum and that wagon has legs. and I don't think that mara's vote on danny was bad. he ran away when I called him out for his badreadbadreasoning on me but he seemed more afraid of mara.

I still think kagami is scum.

i'm still waiting on mara to talk to me about mala/wis.
i think mala is just straight up scum.
wisdom telling me how the cow ate the cabbage
and then
~mysteriously~
backing down on you isn't doin'

anything

for me.

also, wis' pushes just...
... aren't good...
om and pieguy are all good in the neighborhood, but somehow he has a stick up his ass about fei?

how the hell does that work?

also, i don't have jingle as scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p6313346

i'll have to look at actiondan again
also, kagami, but i didn't think she was scum

Explain how I'm scum. Willing to think you decided to just sheep Mollie's INITIAL 'OMG MALA IS FUCKING SCUM LETS ROPE HER'. series of posts. So I want you to back up why you think I'm scum.

I mean I'm being flat out ignored by mollie when I asked her two questions neither of which were answered so I'm pretty like "fuck that shit" in regards to mollie. Not a flat out "fuck this shit" she's scum type of vibe, but a town "fuck this shit" type of vibe. Like I'm so fucking over it.

~M

[Curiosity]

I only said I had townvibes, he is not a strong townread and I'll reconsider him as I already said

also I totez thought you were Mara before

~Wis

i also thought i was getting school about how mollie was so scum you caught her as scum THREE times and

i didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground.

now you're INSISTING you're both town to the point where

you're getting bent out of shape about metalsonic's cop shtick or whatever

.

what happened there?

So like is there a reason you are trying to spin shit to see what sticks and what hits the walls?

Both Wisdom and I are signing our posts. The underline here was from me. Now two things: I have never been great at reading you Anti. I have more experience with playing with Mara than with you. I have hydra'd with Mara so I know how she thinks as both alignments. We have played together numerous times to count whereas you and I only played maybe three times. So yes I think I'll stick with the player I have more experience w/ in terms of reading.

Also re:cop thing. I hate people directing any type of actions because it makes it super clear coming into next day what could have happened and I find it fishing w/o really fishing. It's hard to explain; either way I never like it. I will say though this dislike is a null tell because I have bitched at people doing it while being on either alignment.

~M IS FOR MALAKITTENS.

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all that stuff i said was addressed to wisdom and yes, HE DID ACT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW SHIT WHEN I SAID I THOUGHT MOLLIE WAS TOWN, HE DUG HIS HEELS AND SAID "FUCK YOU, I KNOW HOW TO READ MOLLIE BETTER THAN HYOU."

Please get out of your tunnel and do a fucking reset of your read on me. I mean I could have sat there and just shut up, but I guess the fact I made a comment means jack shit, ok, tunnel moar now pls.

I think Mollie is town too. She's pissing me off, but still think she's town. I just want my fucking questions answered.
~M

[Curiosity]

Please point out where I "flipped out" at Notty for townreading Mollie?

I

still

don't like Beast's last set of posts especially the last one. I didn't like how Beast was trying to use self-meta to say someone was scummy because omfg he fucked up tags. I mean it's a simple mistake so I felt it was OTT and scummy so I called bullshit on it and voted him for it.

Again reset your read on me and get out of your tunnel, ty!

~M

[Curiosity]

i swear to god if Mara comes in townreading me and you continue this bullshit of scum reading me I'm going to fucking push a lynch on you guys.

Oh yes; let's keep going and making up bullshit reasons to scum read me.

KEEP GOING.

~m

[Curiosity]

So you don't scum read people for shit you do as scum?

If you say you don't you lie.

No, I try not too. It's not fair to a player to put YOUR scumtells on someone else. Everyone is different from each other, everyone has reasons for their play being different than others. Just because you did X as scum must mean Y is scum because they committed it is a really bad mindset to go on.

Obv tags can just be a mistake -- it's not really a scum tell which is why i didn't get the angle you were pushing there. Had it been something else that wasn't as weak okay maybe I could see the base for the vote and the push, but that, nope it was too weak and sounded absolutely fake and fabricated and I didn't like it.

~M

[Curiosity]

OK

rise and fall of the mollie read

go

I had slept on the reasons why she was attacking me and realized why I saw her saying what she did and everything. It felt more genuine that she was hurt and potentially bitter rather than trying to push a mislynch on me as scum. I guess maybe it's because only her and I know what happened so it's a bit different/hard to explain. I know why she's calling my scum play sleazy and I can see it. So it felt like townrage at me instead of scum rage.

Plus the way she was pushing me didn't feel like a push coming from scum. Mollie has a meta tell that she avoids me as scum; like avoids interacting with me to a certain extent, avoid pushing me; giving a read towards me. She would have had to go against all of that hard meta to push me as scum.

So between the two I realized that she was town

~M

[Curiosity]

the thing that is bugging me is that wis did not "catch me" in perp mylo sangres did but jesus fucking christ every single member of the scumteam had an active hydra with either nacho or fery in an ongoing game (I had both so that is why I got caught out first!). so I don't understand the hubris but I can't ignore how much we are in sync. I wish I could trust him.

I did not claim I caught you in perpertual. I didn't, nacho/ffery did and I was defending you and calling nacho/ffery scum.

I claimed I caught you in Charmed and Olympian Gods.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Yeah, but townreading someone because of similar thoughts is a hell of a lot different than reading someone because they think like me as scum.

When I look for townreads that give me townvibes for thinking like me it's because of how their posts were influenced by current posts. Whereas you are taking past meta tells from your scum games and putting it to current posts.

Basically one is in the current and the second you are using biased tells to scum hunt. As I said it has a major flaw.

~M

[Curiosity]

what do you have to say about kagami, mala?

IDK. There has been posts by her that I have liked, but actually disagreed with. I know there are people who have way more experience in reading her whereas my game count of reading her incorrectly is ridiculously high. In ToV, she neighborized Tammy and I (who were mason vig switch, lol) and there was posts by her in the QT that I felt that came from scum and attacked her in the QT and in thread. In Inuyasha I paid zero attention to her and she was scum.

So I have zero faith in reading Kagami, but her posts aren't swinging me one way or another besides the one post that gave me townvibes, but I disagreed with it all together.

~M

[Curiosity]

all that stuff i said was addressed to wisdom and yes, HE DID ACT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW SHIT WHEN I SAID I THOUGHT MOLLIE WAS TOWN, HE DUG HIS HEELS AND SAID "FUCK YOU, I KNOW HOW TO READ MOLLIE BETTER THAN HYOU."

Saying she's town without any explanation when everything I was seeing from her looked like obvscum does not help me behave better than this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

all that stuff i said was addressed to wisdom and yes, HE DID ACT LIKE I DIDN'T KNOW SHIT WHEN I SAID I THOUGHT MOLLIE WAS TOWN, HE DUG HIS HEELS AND SAID "FUCK YOU, I KNOW HOW TO READ MOLLIE BETTER THAN HYOU."

Saying she's town without any explanation when everything I was seeing from her looked like obvscum does not help me behave better than this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

alright, well, i'll see what mara has to say

later

Woooooooooooooooooooooo yay being handwaved off again.

gotta fucking love that shit.

~M

[Curiosity]

Thank you.

Sorry it's just I hate feeling like I'm handwaved off to someone else to read me.

I didn't realized you were going to sleep.

Sleep well! Talk to you soon! GN

~M

[Curiosity]

well ISO her or something, because she's scum and she's getting rope

~Wis

[Curiosity]

AD ain't a bad wagon but Kagami is much better, really.

@beeboy Why is he town?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

nooope Kagami

~Wis

pedit: pls explain your magic

[Curiosity]

I think AD is scum with her though, did you see his RVS and his unvote?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

yeh guys lets vote kagami instead, maybe beeboy has a point

~Wis

[Curiosity]

and why do you care? let the scumfucks scumread you

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC that I think is right:

Kagami (7): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Nakuzure Nonon
ActionDan (4): notscience, purple hero, beastcharizard, Dreams of an Absolution
beeboy (2): Kagami, nopointinactingup
Jingle (2): Om of the Nom, Mononoke
haj (1): Time
Jakuzure Nonon (1): haj
nopointinactingup (1): SXTLHGaiden
Alchemist21 (1): Ankamius

Not Voting: Saki, ActionDan


If only the people from the AD wagon jumped to Kagami..

~Wis

[Curiosity]

blame gif and ns

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nah, kagami totes better

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ya but beeboy is sad that you're wagoning his friend

~Wis

[Curiosity]

npiau is also scum btw

~Wis

[Curiosity]

1 out of 4 is correct, beast, gj.

Now vote kagami

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Come on ns you're smarter than that

~Wis

[Curiosity]

focus on the main scum attractions first: pieguy, Actiondan, Kagami(not my candidate for scum tbh)

Pie is town, I told you to trust me and you disappoint me
Ad could be scum but I don't want to make beeboy sad
Kagami is scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ISO her? It's really not much.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Jingle could be scum too yeah, though I wonder if he was bussing kagami

I'll think about it after she has flipped

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Indeed

And jingle will be dealt with after kagami flips

So don't hesitate

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Good point. Om might be a good candidate for a Kagami buddy.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

mollie and MS are town, beast and Alch are probably town too.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I think it's something like

Kagami/Om/npiau/{Ankamius, Time}

~Wis

[Curiosity]

ActionDan defended her I think, npiau too, dont remember who else

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Only MS has talked about multiball. He enjoys talking about it, apparently.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

"This wagon is too fast" is just a fallacy that happens all the time. People think that fast wagons can't happen on scum for some reason.

Granted, it's used by scum as an excuse a lot too, but eh.

~Wis

pedit: ms pls

no

[Curiosity]

There was a huge chunk of talking about third parties and whether or not hunting 3rd parties is a scumtell.

I remember because mollie was complaining about the site-meta of lynching survivor claims.

eh i dont consider 3rd parties multiball

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The talk about 3rd parties originated from beeboy asking what would be the flavor for 3rd parties or something and beast attacking him as a possible 3rd party for saying that

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Kagami's town and her points about pieguy actually make a decent amount of sense.
Mononoke's giving me gutscum feel.

Can we dismantle the Kagami wagon and get an Alchemist one instead?

PEdit: Dead null. The comment itself isn't indicative of anything and the reasoning checks out with the rest of his posts about Time around that part of the game.

^
Ankamius defended her too

~Wis

[Curiosity]

But I really think this discussion about who defended her and who didn't will be much more useful after she has flipped scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I think it's something like

Kagami/Om/npiau/{Ankamius, Time}

~Wis

This is probably wrong then. I doubt all of Kagami's scumbuddies defended her.

Om alternated between attacking and defending her and Time simply wanted someone to explain her wagon (didn't defend). So eh.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I'm liking Jingle more and more as town.

ditto

~Wis

[Curiosity]

What point, Sakura? She was just OMGUSing.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nah. Just empty buzzwords.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

that was just her explaining what projection was, which is null

No i meant about the fact that you're projecting onto us to manipulate us, that's the thing that i'm worried about

That was the definition I gave, which was incorrect. Kagami then gave the correct one, calling people scummy for things they are doing themselves.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

This is a mess

Not really, things are simple.

Kagami is scum
pie is town
Jingle is town
Sakura is town and will vote Kagami eventually
You should do the same

That is all

~Wis

[Curiosity]

And what did pieguy accuse you of that he did himself?

~Wis

Easy stance. Pie is pretending his stance is not easy because it was original, but that's not what easiness is about. The gamestate at the time was that beeboy was "noob town." Attacking me for attacking the noobtown is so absurdly easy it hurts. He then claims my stance was easy, when it very clearly is not.

@Jingle

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Regardless of how you name it, do you agree with Kagami that pie voting her was an easy stance? If not, then you have your answer.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

cmon MS your turn

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

Kagami (8): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Nakuzure Nonon, Mononoke
ActionDan (3): notscience, purple hero, beastcharizard
beeboy (2): Kagami, nopointinactingup
Jingle (2): Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution
haj (1): Time
Jakuzure Nonon (1): haj
nopointinactingup (1): SXTLHGaiden
Alchemist21 (1): Ankamius

Not Voting: Saki, ActionDan


~Wis

[Curiosity]

Liking Ankamius even more for Kagami buddy now

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why do i always keep getting paranoid about everything...

if you were truly paranoid you wouldn't be saying it.

Sakura is honest with her thoughts like that

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Also, why the hell is there so much talk about multiball? Is there any reason we should expect that? Does GIF usually do multiball or something?

I think metal just now mentioned it at this point.

god jingle is such scum.

I liked Jingle's points about Om, didn't you?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Uh okay but know they're both town

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't think so

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Vote kagami and I might reconsider

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Dat Jingle counterwagon

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Full of scum more like

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I strongly dislike both you and Ankamius for trying to counterwagon Jingle. One of you at the very least are scum.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

The fact that people are refusing to give the reason too leads me to believe this is a bad wagon.

The reasons Kagami is scum have been explained lots of times. Stop pretending people have not given reasons to discredit the wagon.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Unofficial VC:

Kagami (8): pieguyn, Jingle, pirate mollie, Alchemist21, beeboy, Curiosity, Nakuzure Nonon, Mononoke
Jingle (4): Om of the Nom, Dreams of an Absolution, Ankamius, nopointinactingup
ActionDan (3): notscience, purple hero, beastcharizard
beeboy (1): Kagami
haj (1): Time
Jakuzure Nonon (1): haj
nopointinactingup (1): SXTLHGaiden

Not Voting: Saki, ActionDan


~Wis

[Curiosity]

I don't make cases. The reasons have been mentioned in the thread. It was her reactions to being wagoned, her push on newbtown, her nonsensical pre-flip associations, her OMGUS to pieguy's push, and lots of other stuff that are in the thread and you're apparently just ignoring.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I admit accusing everyone that is against the Kagami wagon of being her buddies is a little dumb. Not everyone is likely to be her buddy. But I'm pretty sure some of her buddies are there.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

youre still not voting kagami so

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Anti you're wrong. She's scum. You're overthinking this.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Those unofficial vote counts are pretty convenient.

lolwat

~Wis

[Curiosity]

didn't you link me a Kagami scum game in the mason QT in touhou upick 2?

I'm asking this cos I remember you telling me scum Kagami was really OMGUSy, and I looked at the game you linked in there, and her response to pressure in this game was very similar to her response to pressure there - namely, her ISO from there was full of cheap potshots and discredits like the one at the end of 1759. there were other posts that fit with this parallel.

^This, btw, didn't happen and the game pie is referring to does not exist. This is a bald-faced lie to support a claim that is completely untrue.

Pie has said over and over that my reaction to being wagoned as scum is to OMGUS. He's lying and he knows it.

Find this scum game, Pie. I've never been wagoned as scum outside of the game where I replaced into ns's poison L-1 slot.

this is bad btw

are you starting to see the light?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

neh ive lynched enough town to not care

~Wis

[Curiosity]

neh ive lynched enough town to not care

~Wis

doesn't matter, your credibility still takes a pretty big hit

who cares

~Wis

[Curiosity]

neh. Kagami has obvscummed and you're going and overthinking irrelevant things.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Those unofficial vote counts are pretty convenient.

seriously anti

how does this come from town

shes desperate

~Wis

[Curiosity]

all of the above are town, flail more

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Sure, try to discredit my reads, it might just work

Noope it won't, sorry.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Sometimes it's just that easy. Check how we lynched Cabd in D2 of Perpetual. Cabd is undoubtedly a very good scum player, yet he went down too easily because of apathy.

[Curiosity]

^ ~Wis

[Curiosity]

Why wouldnt you, Kagami? Entertain me. And explain what you meant about my votecounts.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Kagami is a pro. she doesnt crack under pressure. so its either lynch or dont lynch

agreed, which is why i dont bother pushing her

~Wis

[Curiosity]

my point is:


scum lurk. its a thing. not a "null tell".

if given the opportunity to do nothing, they will. at least some players.

its null. Town lurk too.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So what's your point, Kagami? I posted the votecounts so that more people join your wagon without realising the double vote that I supposedly knew about is there and lynch you faster?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Nope because scum, by default, don't lurk. They try to actively play and forward their agenda. Lurking depends on players, not alignments.

Anyway this theory discussion is pointless

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So what's your point, Kagami? I posted the votecounts so that more people join your wagon without realising the double vote that I supposedly knew about is there and lynch you faster?

~Wis

"Accidentally" lynching me would be rather convenient, but no, I don't really think that's what was happening.

Then? What was your point?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

That's just 5 people. 16 people are posting normally. Which means the game is moving normally. You're just lurking, no excuses.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

@Time anything not lurking is normal

~Wis

[Curiosity]

So what's your point, Kagami? I posted the votecounts so that more people join your wagon without realising the double vote that I supposedly knew about is there and lynch you faster?

~Wis

"Accidentally" lynching me would be rather convenient, but no, I don't really think that's what was happening.

Then? What was your point?

~Wis

Kagami?

[Curiosity]

It would help if you were doing town things but you aren't

You look like you've given up

Your reads are weak and terribad

I remember you much better than this

~Wis

[Curiosity]

Because jakuzure is town. If you want flips, why not vote someone with more votes?

~Wis

[Curiosity]

It won't mean much to you but I got my read off caled's posts regarding her read on me

~Wis

[Curiosity]

No, I scumread them off feirei's play. But feirei can be like this as town too, so I wasn't that sure in the first place.

Caled's explanation regarding me makes a lot of sense because that's usually the case with people who play with me for the first time. So I concluded they're town.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

if I were scum, neither I nor my partners would ever approach a scumread from you.

Yeah right. As if I'm a terrible player who never catches scum

~Wis

[Curiosity]

My town winrate does not depend just on me.

~Wis

[Curiosity]

I were a vig
Even just for a night
I’d roll outta bed in the morning
And post what I wanted and go
Drink beer with the town
And chase after scum
I’d kick it with who I wanted
And I’d never get confronted for it.
'Cause they’d stick up for me.

~M

Notty kagami is scum. Rope noa

[Curiosity]

I feel ingored.

~M