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In post 119, notscience wrote:I'm not even townreading me
I can point out why I think you're town if you want-
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In post 122, beastcharizard wrote:Also, how am I not town?
if you want my read on you, your posts look town on a gut level, but there's really nothing specific I have that points to you being town
In post 123, Alchemist21 wrote:Then please do so.
scum wouldn't make an attention-whoring entrance that's designed to draw a shitton of votes onto themselves, especially when they're aware they'd probably get at least 2 people who they are familiar with to death tunnel the shit out of them as a result
nothing he posted gives me any reason to second guess the read, and if he's town, I know he'll keep up the trend really well, so I feel fine putting up an early townread here-
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In post 128, purple hero wrote:if i had a million day vig shots
i would use all of them
on caledhydra
why?
In post 130, Alchemist21 wrote:So, you're saying the guy with townish posts isn't town based on some guilty-until-innocent logic, and the other you're saying is too scummy to be scum?
hint: I don't think NS's entrance is scummy. I buy that he thinks he'd get voted for it - this is unrelated to whether I personally think it's scummy. does that answer your question?-
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In post 143, Alchemist21 wrote:It somewhat answers the second half. You failed to justify your non-town read on beastcharizard.
the beast read is entirely gut at this point so I don't feel good about it. I don't like putting anyone as town just based on "gut", just via policy.-
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In post 162, notscience wrote:That she's actually here and not lurking
I'm not going too heavy on a mollie read D1
I'd rather work with her and reassess later
I need to go back and take a look at xenosaga, but I remember her play in that game consisting mostly of deathtunneling zmuffin and trying to act as confident as possible about it. her most recent post gave me similar vibes.
In post 162, notscience wrote:And no, this is me excited for a game
bingo. hence why I town read you based off it :/
at least this response makes me feel a bit better, since I doubt you'd be excited for another scum game after that-
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that was in response to notsci using this same entrance in a scum game of his, when I thought he was town based off it
I still have him as town, but for slightly different reasons-
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In post 188, notscience wrote:fwiw pieguy in said RVS I told everyone that GIF accidentally put the scum in my role pm and selfvoted
then when someone told my buddy to bus I said "Can I bus instead" and voted said buddy
I did see that part
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In post 192, Curiosity wrote:No seriously the angle that beast is going at about the vote on alch is ridiculous. Like ridiculous and makes no sense for him to go about it as town.
~M
Do not use the black spoilerIn post 193, notscience wrote:IT looks like he's still in RVS
^fwiw, I agree with both of these posts. if I scumread beast, it would be for other reasons-
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In post 304, notscience wrote:Also, five bucks on Sakura
do you mean to say Sakura is scum?
bc if so, I know what your reason is and I believe she's been busy all of today. if I scumread her, it will be after she actually starts posting
btw, why do you have beast as strong town?-
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also I didn't like Feirei's entrance. too many safe stances and absolutely nothing that could be seen as controversial - I get the feeling they're actively trying to not make any waves in the game
@Feirei, why is notsci "bet-the-game" town at this point?-
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In post 316, notscience wrote:Also its how laid back he is rn
agree with this. you are saying this is a town trait for him?-
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In post 325, Jakuzure Nonon wrote:townhunting ns = town
my entrance in games is always shit.
p-edit: keep hands, feet, and all other objects inside the hydra at all times, sonic.
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that really doesn't have anything to do with what I said
your entrance consisted of calling a shitton of ppl town and claiming you "hope x and y are town", followed by calling one person scum (who you had been pushing as scum previously). the rest of your posts have been more of the same - reads very heavily as scum attempting to buddy everyone and not make any waves in the game
the fact you haven't scum hunted at all since then supports it. why haven't you done anything to pressure Dreams, or push him for more info, who is supposedly your only scum read?-
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In post 220, Jakuzure Nonon wrote:It's gonna be one of those games...
purple, is there a reason you hate our guts right now?
ns is town again? Good to know!
mollie I hope you're town this game
beast is town
dreams is still scum
purple is meh
so is everyone else.
p-edit: hi mala!
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there's something quite obviously missing here. why did you develop your scumread on dreams, and when did it transition from RVS into legit scumread?-
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In post 341, Om of the Nom wrote:pieguyn you've spoken with alchemist earlier in the game but i dont recall you giving a read on him? whats your opinion?
gut-town, don't have a formal read yet
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In post 346, notscience wrote:I feel like this is is similar to touhou fei
disagree. from what I remember, Feirei's posts from that game came across as tonally strong, and you can tell he was scumhunting
I don't get that feeling in this game - moreover, I really don't want to factor meta into this. in my experience this kind of meta is so weak that it could fail either way (see: what happened with tn in o569)
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In post 348, Jakuzure Nonon wrote:caled and i haven't conversed at all. perhaps you forgot the number one rule of hydras: WORK TOGETHER. wait until her and i had a chance to talk about it.
this does explain the lack of scumhunting so far. we can proceed for now-
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I could see mollie scum here. I feel like that one post where she posted "bullshit" in big text and voted me, despite the fact I wasn't there to witness notsci's play in PVZ, was her overreacting on purpose.
that said
@mollie:why did you vote me earlier, when I wasn't even in PVZ?-
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the first time GIF and I hydra'd after my semi-break, we mostly did townhunting and had fun in the early game and didn't start scumhunting until a few RL days into the game. I could potentially see a similar approach from Fei/caled and, speaking of tonally strong posts, Fei's one post to me counted as one.
I don't think they're town, but if I scum read them, it prob won't come until a bit later once they start doing shit-
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haj, if you're town, you need to be more cooperative
this is a team game; you can't just order people around to do things. if you think someone is scum, the burden of proof is on YOU to explain why, not everyone else for disagreeing with you
this is why Wisdom is asking you to explain your vote
it is also anti-town to refuse to cooperate, which you are doing by actively refusing to provide content
so, wanna try again?-
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In post 413, haj wrote:pie, I get that you're super towny and all but you don't have to spout this baby talk to try and coerce me into playing how you want to. As soon as he talks, I talk. You can wagon me because of Curiosity's refusal to eat his ego and answer a simple question, but that'd be REALLY stupid of you! In my opinion, at least. There are better things to do.
OK, here's a hint
is it really just me who's trying to "coerce" you into playing how I want you to?
it's pretty obvious that I'm not the only person in this game who is not satisfied with your play, as indicated by Wis and Fei both being visibly pissed off at you. this is because *gasp* the way you're playing is extremely anti-town, and all three of us know that and agree about it. so, wanna try again?-
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In post 445, Mononoke wrote:You make me sad, no question directed at me.
I can't exactly sort you when you have nothing to sort and aren't caught up or even present in the game thread. I was waiting for you to catch up before sorting you.
what were you expecting me to ask?
In post 445, Mononoke wrote:This doesnt sound like the pie I know...
if it helps you sort me, I don't have any strong scumeads
what were you expecting me to sound like, knowing full well I'm in the process of burning my "pie is aggro all the timeas town" meta? I'm not exactly going to hard push anything until I feel sure about it.
In post 445, Mononoke wrote:Wait what, since when was ok for an hydra to explain their lack of scumhunting with "I haven't conversed with my hydra partner", I haven't seen nacho all day and that doesn't deter me from scumhunting.
they aren't scumhunting, but they are townhunting
it's not like they're doing nothing at all. my scum read on them came from them not making any waves in the game - however, this can be explained by them not convening at all up to this point. as an example, remember o569 how GIF and I mostly just posted townreads on ppl for the first RL day or so of the game? we didn't really do anything controversial in that game until a few days in, either. their recent posting has also looked better.
In post 445, Mononoke wrote:That's what i'm thinking.
if it helps, one of the main problems I have with MS is dumbfuck players who never cooperate with anyone or who do stupid shit for no reason
I tried to take a more "nice" approach this time around. as you'd figure, it didn't work
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why are you scumreading haj independent of "scum theater"? I don't see how you went from the one quote you brought up in your catchup to asking "what is town about anything he's doing", although I haven't read the past 3-4 pages yet. also, do you have any other scumreads?-
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In post 532, Jakuzure Nonon wrote:Nothing, but no one's gonna even lynch him anyways so why bother.
p-edit: opportunist.
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you are aware Alchemist actually voted mollie a while back and voted again solely bc GIF missed his vote change, right?-
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In post 561, Mononoke wrote:I dunno, considering you'd know i was in the game i'd be expecting you to find your usual "Hey Sakura what do you think about X" or "Hey Sakura what do you think about Y's way of saying Z" or stuff like that.
I can't exactly ask you stuff when
1. you're not here
2. you haven't caught up with the thread yet
do you disagree that if I had asked you anything, it wouldn't have gone anywhere at that point?
In post 561, Mononoke wrote:I am fully aware that you're changing your playstyle, but im getting scumvibes from your current "unknown" playstyle because i dont recall seeing any "town" or "scum" version of your current "unknown" playstyle, as on Hope+5 you completely went full tunnel on Bulge like you usually do.
you are aware this game hasn't even been open 12 RL hours, correct?
my tunnel on Bulge didn't come until the game was well underway, and if you'll remember, it started off as a weak "bulge is avoiding the thread". it wasn't until he showed up and started being scummy as fuck that GIF and I started railing on him.
to put things in perspective, at this point in RL-time in o569, that Bins lolwagon right from the start of the game was in full swing. the game was still very heavily in passive territory for me until Titus came in and we started pushing her.
In post 561, Mononoke wrote:Then why didn't you bring this at the time instead of saying "Oh hey they haven't talked in hydra, so ok, that makes sense".
I did ._. go back and look for it, it's there
did you miss it or smth?
In post 561, Mononoke wrote:When i agreed about "scum teathre" i was referring to the way you and hej were interacting. The more "nice" approach could very well be because you know his alignment regardless of what it is, and that's what pinged me
well yeah, I was explaining why I took the "nice" approach here
what was the thing that Om said that bugged you? and what are your thoughts on mollie?-
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@sakura: here vv
In post 371, pieguyn wrote:
the first time GIF and I hydra'd after my semi-break, we mostly did townhunting and had fun in the early game and didn't start scumhunting until a few RL days into the game. I could potentially see a similar approach from Fei/caled and, speaking of tonally strong posts, Fei's one post to me counted as one.
I don't think they're town, but if I scum read them, it prob won't come until a bit later once they start doing shit-
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In post 590, Mononoke wrote:Why does the time open from the game matter for you to start doing your thing? and Bulge was away for most of the game on V/LA to begin with.
the time open by itself doesn't really matter, that was part of the analogy
the point is, this early in the game, there isn't much serious content from each player to go off of, and so no one's done anything to give me that strong of a scum read (just like how in o569 the main wagon was still a lolwagon based around mostly RVS votes, since no one had done anything serious)
even in o569 when we started scumreading Titus, I never hard pushed that read because I was never sure about it. the closest I got was that one wall case I made on her. even with Bulge, it took a little bit for me to build up to the point where I was legitimately deathtunneling him, and it happened because, almost immediately after we started pushing him, GIF and I both spotted what we perceived as contradictions, which is a pretty sure sign of someone being scum. this game hasn't yet reached the point where I can feel particularly sure about a scum read.
In post 590, Mononoke wrote:Maybe yes, Maybe not, the way I look at it, I was inviting you to interact with me from my very first post and you blatantly ignored it.
I was taking that as you poking fun at the fact we would always 1v1 every single game
it didn't occur to me that was you reaching out to me :/ I figured we would start working together as soon as you did show up.
I approve of the Om post that bugged you, as well as the rest of what you've said. what do you make of the point that mollie is very good at overreacting to things as scum? (or are you saying she was overreacting a lot in PVZ as town)-
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anyway, based on recent pages, haj and beeboy look town
TOWN (S->W): notsci, Sakura, beast, purple, Curiosity <gap> Gaiden, Jazukure, beeboy, haj
{Saki, Kagami, DOAA, Time, NPAU, Om, Alchemist, Ankamius, Jingle}
SCUM (W->S): AD, mollie
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In post 632, Curiosity wrote:Also I disagree. See how mollie attacks Mala but shut up when I came into the thread? She's scared of pushing me.
~Wis
btw she did this with me too
she's pushing me as scum, but literally hasn't interacted with me at all. she also backed off her vote on me for no reason.
speaking of said vote,@mollie:
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In post 959, beeboy wrote:Pie is suspicous null-towndue to his recent posts being goof but first ones were not
how did you go from here:
In post 681, beeboy wrote:Pieman - recents posts are pro town, Nommynommers - first or one of the first to start scum hunting, Charizard - gut read op
to there, given I hadn't made any posts in between?-
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beeboy looks town recently; Kagami voting beeboy for 746 feels way too easy, given someone defending themselves via "who's my partner" is more of a newb trait than a scum trait.
can someone run me through why they think Kagami is town? nothing she's done so far has town motivation. what are ppl seeing that I'm not?
I'm more or less townreading mollie at this point cos her posting during the entire Curiosity shitstorm came off genuine. it would also be pretty low to put personal problems to leverage your attack on someone as scum, and I don't think she would do that. I also liked DOAA's psoting recently, namely the way he was trying to throw himself into Curiosity x mollie and break it up - esp him saying it would be better if they got sorted via night actions, that was p genuine
that's... literally all I got from those 15 pages. I feel like I have too many townreads atm
vote: AD
TOWN (S->W): notsci, Sakura, beast, purple, Curiosity, beeboy <gap> Gaiden, mollie, haj <gap> Jazukure, DOAA
{Saki, Time, NPAU, Om, Alchemist, Ankamius, Jingle}
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how are you all interpreting 1157 as a 3rd party claim? I disagree with the idea that him asking about that = 3rd party.
I could potentially see Jingle as scum. I don't like the way he's just sitting there doing nothing either
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Mononoke wrote:Null and Null, neither of them has done anything memorable, and specially AD has done a whole lot of nothing.
It could be because of the massive ammount of posts has drowned their voice, but I can't really recall anything of importance from either except Kagami saying that beeboy saying "Who are my partners?" is a scum tell (to which i disagree)
both of them did practically nothing and Dan in particular feels like he's deliberately trying to not make any waves in the game
do you think Kagami believes that angle about "who are my partners"? it looked fake to me and I think she would have at the very least at least one better idea than pushing an associative before the actual flip.
Om of the Nom wrote:do you think there is a scum between the massive lurkers (Saki, npau)?
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In post 1227, Mononoke wrote:Her angle seems to be genuine but the way she's pushing it seems to be fake, i dont know if im making myself clear with this, it's like she's pushing it way harder than it should, when at best it should be something null on beeboy's part, and I dont like how she didnt like what Dreams said afterwards earlier, it seems like she's trying too hard, but then it reminds me of her previous games with me too so >_> I'm having a hard time with this one.
for me it came off "forced" as opposed to "trying too hard"
like, I have a lot of difficulty believing she came in and that's the best thing she saw, given it was tbh a really shallow angle to push and something that's ultimately null
and I didn't like the way she backed off and moved onto DOAA either - it just felt really fake
I'm getting really weird vibes from her-
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In post 1229, pieguyn wrote:backed off
well this is kind of an exaggeration, she didn't really back off beeboy, but the point is I didn't like the way she accused DOAA-
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oh also, the main reason I'm townreading jakuzure comes from their treatment of haj. "I guess he's town, but I'm still gonna call him out on his shit". I can def relate to that kind of attitude where they're frustrated at how much of a dumbfuck he's being and want to just yell at him.
I do agree they need to do smth that isn't just townreading and defending everyone. I thought their early play looked like textbook scum trying to buddy everyone and avoid antagonizing too many ppl early game.-
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actually I looked back at it again
jakuzure was calling haj's vote "opportunist", when there weren't even any votes on jakuzure. it feels more like a bullshit scum excuse than anything
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In post 1286, nopointinactingup wrote:Dont like the Kagami wagon. Don't see any case on him. Votes going in too fast for the amount of reasoning provided.
why is the last sentence a valid reason for not liking a wagon?
also, I'm aware you were just skimming, but there was at least one case (albeit small) made on her, by myself: namely, her reasoning in 746 was way too easy, and I don't believe the best thing she could come up with is an associative before the flip that is ultimately null. it makes perfect sense for scum-Kagami, though. do you disagree with that, and what are your thoughts on Jingle's case?
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