Through the Looking-Glass [Game Over]

[Desperado]

VOTE: Cho

ego

[Desperado]

I'll probably read this tomorrow

[Desperado]

haha I lied

Maybe today though

[Desperado]

Emping I'd like you to respond to the suspicion on you that some have expressed.

hahahahahahahahahaha

You haven't met Emp before have you

[Desperado]

Why do we have an SK wagon again?

RC summarized the case literally on this page.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SK

{Emp, Deas, Tiphaine, Bins, Sala}

^Pretty sure if we just lynch from here the game will end eventually.

[Desperado]

L-1

Is that thing you weren't stalling for on the horizon?

[Desperado]

No it was L-1

[Desperado]

Your scumteam is shit.

[Desperado]

Like, as in "someone" is really your only shot there

[Desperado]

Can we just do Emp today then?

[Desperado]

Why were you even doing that in the first place?

[Desperado]

SKs" lynch me!!!" posts are so robotic

[Desperado]

Is this how two communicate in Gyarados?

[Desperado]

VOTE: Salamance

Brian and muffin wagons are bad

[Desperado]

Yes?

[Desperado]

Sala is scummy...?

[Desperado]

I don't like that I have to pull this card, but, no, he really isn't, objectively.

/shrug

[Desperado]

And I'm not voting him for claiming traitor.

[Desperado]

o

Why is the muffin wagon bad?

He's town.

[Desperado]

Why is the Brian wagon bad given the quote RC posted last page?

That was a towntell. I don't think scumBrian challenges townNacho on a scumread on his buddy Emp like that.

[Desperado]

That's a pretty bad assumption, especially given the early timing of the post.

No it isn't. Challenging it that way accomplishes nothing but leave a bad looking associative laying around his iso. Do you think Nacho would see that and back down on his read? Do you think Brian would think that?

[Desperado]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: zMuffinMan

[Desperado]

UNVOTE: Salamence20; VOTE: zMuffinMan

DV sold me. Sal is like an abusive spouse... I just keep going back to him. Desp is probably bussing!

lol

DV sold you on what, exactly?

[Desperado]

Then who do you think is scummy?

If based purely on scummy then I think sala cho front loop aggrevatedalgebra and possibly desp for his turnaround on muffin. However, some like Sala are perpetually scummy so :/

I really have been too busy and lazy to go back and do my reread of D1 that I've been meaning to do in forever.

lol how is my turnaround on muffin scummy?

[Desperado]

Why do we have an SK wagon again?

RC summarized the case literally on this page.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SK

{Emp, Deas, Tiphaine, Bins, Sala}

^Pretty sure if we just lynch from here the game will end eventually.

Hey Nat! Now it's your turn to sheep me.

In fact, I'll let you choose. Deas or Sala?

[Desperado]

Just kidding.

Vote: Deas

[Desperado]

I'm just gonna say that with the way muffin was acting, I don't think you can blame his lynch.

We all need to tell ourselves something, I guess

Why aren't you sheeping me yet?

pedit: I really don't agree with you but it also isn't relevant anymore.

[Desperado]

Spoiler: Day 1 VCs

VoteCount 1.1

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20,

TiphaineDeath

Nachomamma8

[1] -

Konowa

Empking

[1] - Cho
Cho [1] - notscience

Not Voting [12]

- Desperado, Katsuki,

SleepyKrew

,

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

, Brian Skies, DeasVail,

Empking

, Bins, RedCoyote, Natirasha,

Froot Loop

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.2

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20,

TiphaineDeath

Empking

[1] - Cho
Cho [3] - notscience,

Empking

,

Konowa

Not Voting [11]

- Desperado, Katsuki,

SleepyKrew

,

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

, Brian Skies, DeasVail, Bins, RedCoyote, Natirasha,

Froot Loop

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.3

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20,

TiphaineDeath

Empking

[2] - Cho, notscience
Cho [3] -

Empking

,

Konowa

, Katsuki

Not Voting [10]

- Desperado,

SleepyKrew

,

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

, Brian Skies, DeasVail, Bins, RedCoyote, Natirasha,

Froot Loop

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.4

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20,

TiphaineDeath

Empking

[2] - Cho, notscience
Cho [2] -

Empking

,

Konowa

Not Voting [11]

- Desperado,

SleepyKrew

,

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

, Brian Skies, DeasVail, Bins, RedCoyote, Natirasha,

Froot Loop

, Katsuki

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.5

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20,

TiphaineDeath

Empking

[3] - Cho, notscience,

Nachomamma8

Cho [3] -

Empking

,

Konowa

, Desperado
Desperado [1] -

SleepyKrew

Not Voting [8]

-

zMuffinMan

, Brian Skies, DeasVail, Bins, RedCoyote, Natirasha,

Froot Loop

, Katsuki

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.6

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [4] -

Empking

,

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[6] - Katsuki,

zMuffinMan

, Natirasha, Brian Skies, Cho, RedCoyote
Katsuki [2] -

SleepyKrew

, notscience
notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

zMuffinMan

[1] - Bins

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.7

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [4] -

Empking

,

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[7] - Katsuki,

zMuffinMan

, Natirasha, Brian Skies, Cho, RedCoyote, Bins
Katsuki [1] - notscience
notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Not Voting [1]

-

SleepyKrew

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.8

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [3] -

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[7] - Natirasha, Brian Skies, Cho, RedCoyote, Bins,

SleepyKrew

,

Empking

Katsuki [1] - notscience
notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Not Voting [2]

- Katsuki,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.9

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [3] -

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[7] - Natirasha, Brian Skies, RedCoyote, Bins,

SleepyKrew

,

Empking

, Katsuki
Katsuki [1] - notscience
notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Froot Loop

[1] - Cho

Not Voting [1]

-

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.10

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [3] -

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[6] - Natirasha, Brian Skies, RedCoyote, Bins,

Empking

, Katsuki
Katsuki [1] - notscience
notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Froot Loop

[1] - Cho

Not Voting [2]

-

zMuffinMan

,

SleepyKrew

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.11

Konowa

[2] - Salamence20, DeasVail

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [3] -

Konowa

, Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[4] - Natirasha, Brian Skies, RedCoyote, Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Froot Loop

[4] - Cho,

zMuffinMan

, Katsuki,

Empking

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.12

Konowa

[3] - Salamence20, DeasVail, Brian Skies

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Cho [2] - Desperado,

Froot Loop

Nachomamma8

[2] - Natirasha, Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Froot Loop

[4] - Cho,

zMuffinMan

, Katsuki,

Empking

SleepyKrew

[2] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.13

Konowa

[3] - Salamence20, DeasVail, Brian Skies
Cho [1] - Desperado

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

notscience [1] -

TiphaineDeath

Froot Loop

[3] - Cho,

zMuffinMan

,

Empking

SleepyKrew

[5] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote,

Nachomamma8

, Katsuki, Natirasha

Not Voting [1]

-

Froot Loop

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.14

Konowa

[3] - Salamence20, DeasVail, Brian Skies

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

Froot Loop

[2] -

zMuffinMan

,

Empking

SleepyKrew

[8] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote,

Nachomamma8

, Katsuki, Natirasha, Cho,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado

Not Voting [1]

-

Froot Loop

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.15

Konowa

[3] - Salamence20, DeasVail, Brian Skies

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

Froot Loop

[2] -

zMuffinMan

,

Empking

SleepyKrew

[8] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote,

Nachomamma8

, Katsuki, Natirasha, Cho,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.16

Konowa

[5] - Salamence20, DeasVail, Brian Skies, Cho,

zMuffinMan

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [2] - notscience,

SleepyKrew

Froot Loop

[2] -

Empking

, Natirasha

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote,

Nachomamma8

, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.17

Konowa

[2] - DeasVail,

Nachomamma8

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [1] - notscience

Froot Loop

[2] -

Empking

, Natirasha

SleepyKrew

[5] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [2] - Brian Skies,

zMuffinMan

Brian Skies [1] - Cho
Natirasha [1] -

SleepyKrew

RedCoyote [1] - Salamence20

Not Voting [0]

-

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.18

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins
Katsuki [1] - notscience

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [5] - Brian Skies,

zMuffinMan

,

Empking

, Natirasha,

Nachomamma8

Brian Skies [1] - Cho
Natirasha [1] -

SleepyKrew

Not Voting [1]

- DeasVail

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.19

Nachomamma8

[1] - Bins

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [6] - Brian Skies,

zMuffinMan

,

Empking

, Natirasha,

Nachomamma8

, notscience
Brian Skies [1] - Cho
Natirasha [1] -

SleepyKrew

Not Voting [1]

- DeasVail

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.20

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20

zMuffinMan

[2] -

Froot Loop

, DeasVail
Bins [6] - Brian Skies,

Empking

, Natirasha,

Nachomamma8

, notscience,

SleepyKrew

Brian Skies [1] - Cho

Not Voting [2]

- Bins,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.21

SleepyKrew

[7] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20, Cho

zMuffinMan

[2] -

Froot Loop

, DeasVail
Bins [5] - Brian Skies,

Empking

, Natirasha, notscience,

SleepyKrew

Empking

[1] -

Nachomamma8

Not Voting [2]

- Bins,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.22

SleepyKrew

[7] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20, Cho

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [4] -

Empking

, Natirasha, notscience,

SleepyKrew

Empking

[2] -

Nachomamma8

, DeasVail
RedCoyote [1] - Brian Skies

Not Voting [2]

- Bins,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.23

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [2] -

Empking

, Natirasha

Empking

[2] -

Nachomamma8

, DeasVail
RedCoyote [1] - Brian Skies
Brian Skies [3] -

SleepyKrew

, Cho, notscience

Not Voting [2]

- Bins,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.24

SleepyKrew

[6] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [2] -

Empking

, Natirasha

Empking

[3] -

Nachomamma8

, DeasVail, Brian Skies
Brian Skies [3] -

SleepyKrew

, Cho, notscience

Not Voting [2]

- Bins,

zMuffinMan

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.25

SleepyKrew

[8] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20, Brian Skies,

Empking

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [1] - Natirasha

Empking

[1] - DeasVail
Brian Skies [3] -

SleepyKrew

, Cho, notscience

No Lynch

[2] -

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

Not Voting [1]

- Bins

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

VoteCount 1.26

SleepyKrew

[9] -

Konowa

, RedCoyote, Katsuki,

TiphaineDeath

, Desperado, Salamence20, Brian Skies,

Empking

,

SleepyKrew

[LYNCH]

zMuffinMan

[1] -

Froot Loop

Bins [1] - Natirasha

Empking

[1] - DeasVail
Brian Skies [2] - Cho, notscience

No Lynch

[2] -

Nachomamma8

,

zMuffinMan

Not Voting [1]

- Bins

With 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch

.

Deadline is September 20, 2014, at 11:00 AM PST.
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2014-09-20 12:00:00)

[Desperado]

No, it isn't and my comment was not really only this game.

I'll sheep you in a bit. DV?

{Deas, Bins, Sala}

Looking at the D1 VCs I might want to do Bins today instead, though. TBD.

[Desperado]

I'm wondering if TiphaineDeath and I being the only ones in our neighborhood to ever talk means it's a one-scum neighborhood or a two-scum one. Desperado's nightly silence is hard to interpret. As crazy as it sounds I'm starting to think with how inactive the neighborhood was it might be that I'm the only town in a 3 person neighborhood.

Or...I thought Tiphaine was scum and didn't want to give them any additional information?

It's not like you two were chatty. You never actually said anything to one another.

[Desperado]

You thought TiphaineDeath was scum?

You still didn't post once in the long Night 0 period.

Not to mention if I remember correctly you were town reading me, yet you still said nothing.

We made attempts. They fizzled out, probably due to the alignment disconnect and me being lazy.

Katsuki, I should be practically confirmed town by now.

Yes, I just quoted my D1 reads with Tiphaine as scum.

As for the bold....huh??? Our neighborhood wasn't open pre-game.

[Desperado]

Of course he didn't claim it. Because that would be retarded.

Flavor says he committed suicide.

[Desperado]

Of course he didn't claim it. Because that would be

retarded

suboptimal.

Flavor says he committed suicide.

Sorry Cho

[Desperado]

Hey. Sheep me?

[Desperado]

There are no 3rd party aligned roles in this game.
There is only one scum faction in this game.

And there's that.

So like I said...Deas/Bins/Sala.

[Desperado]

VOTE: Deas

[Desperado]

Whatever you're gonna do can you decide soon?

[Desperado]

Whatever you're gonna do can you decide soon?

[Desperado]

Maybe you could try not worrying about who you want to disappoint less and decide whether you think Brian or Deas as scum and vote accordingly?

[Desperado]

VOTE: Deasvail

[Desperado]

How about you finish up?

[Desperado]

Finish claiming, with your flavor and all that.

And I'm expecting a CC actually.

[Desperado]

Mmmmk

Red Knight, VT

[Desperado]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Sala

@ Nati:

[Desperado]

I saw notscience and Sala. Who is the 3rd?

[Desperado]

Or...I'm one of the several remaining players once the likely town claims are taken out of the lynchpool?

[Desperado]

Like, why are you saying scum are calling me scum but pivoting elsewhere and then starting with a quote from the uncced vig?

[Desperado]

And how many scum do you think are still alive???

[Desperado]

Do you think FG put two groupscum in the same neighborhood?

[Desperado]

It doesn't matter because both of my neighborhood mates are dead and gone and Tip flipped scum

[Desperado]

VOTE: Nachomamma8 due to Kat's claim. If Nacho is town, we can lynch Kat tomorrow.

A wise man once said to lynch all liars. :/

...

...

...

Good thing I'm not wise!

VOTE: SleepyKrew

God help me, I like Kat's point better than SK's.

Empking is a bad lynch to rally around as a last minute thing, I think. Empking is the king of playing the same as both alignments. He's literally someone I aspire to be more like in that specific aspect play-wise. The reason I bring that up is because, as usual, I have no idea if this is scum or town Empking. Um, but I would say that someone that is as easy to understand and opinionated as Empking is is someone I would rather leave around longer. I think if we're playing with scumEmpking, he'll trip up eventually, so we don't need to take this chance.

I'm starting to become sort of one note in being supportive of only an SK lynch today. I do have a genuine scumread on Desp that I plan to look into (but I would be happy to see him lynched today). I am suspicious of Cho and Froot Loop, but I don't feel comfortable enough to pursue these leads at this time. I would be open to voting them, but I don't know or think the support is there.

UNVOTE: Salamence20; VOTE: zMuffinMan

DV sold me. Sal is like an abusive spouse... I just keep going back to him. Desp is probably bussing!

VOTE: Cho

I have done a 180 on Sal. I believe him now. I also think we should be following where Froot Loop/Konowa were going, even though that kill may have more or less been a duh kind of thing.

unvote;
Vote: Cho

Backwards thinking, yo.

Stepping outside of my tunnel for a while.

unvote;
Vote: Brian Skies

Questionable: katsuki, zMuffinMan, Cho, bins
Town-Lean: konowa, sleey krew, TiphaineDeath
Nothing: desperado, Brian, DeasVail, Empking, natirasha
Don't Know: nacho, notscience, redcoyote

I don't know what the difference is between Nothing and Don't Know, but here it is, anyway.

Cho/Bins/Brian.

I want to lynch one of these three players today.

VOTE: Brian Skies

Brian, why did you drop your power wagon on me? It seems like you kind of let it fall to the wayside as I go over your posts in isolation. Oddly enough, I was prepared to just go back on Cho, but Sal's shift forced me to look at you again. Your push on me and your push on DV both seem hollow and noisy-for-the-sake-of-being-noisy, if that makes sense.

Unvote
Vote: RedCoyote

Calling me out for hiding in the shadows and not showing any..."zest" when you have literally coasted on your hated claim all game, and every single one of your votes has a) been on town and b) been based on something someone else did, and you haven't even considered voting scum once all game, and you defended Emp, and you're even now being unnecessarily cagey about notscience confirming himself as town to you even though he already claimed it, is pretty hilarious.

[Desperado]

Except you conveniently left out my Sal vote. You even quoted me unvoting him!

Did I miss Sala's scumflip?

Big whoop, so did Brian and I even hit him on the head for that earlier. No one can read the guy (except, apparently, Nacho).

hahahahahaha

Are you seriously comparing Brian's one line challenge on Nacho on page 6 to the fucking soliloquy you wrote urging us to give Emp more time?

I'm trying to figure that out on my own. Unlike you, I don't know everyone's alignment, brother. I'm trying to get notscience to be crystal clear with how his role works. All of my posts today have had this theme in them. It's not unnecessary and it's not cagey. Goodness, do you see me voting notscience? Have you seen me say a cross word about notscience this entire game? He's my top damn townread and has been since, like, D1 (which I am on record as having said and can point out). Talk about a reach!

Notscience doesn't need to be any clearer about his role. He's a friendly neighbor. That's a role that does a specific thing that he has already claimed to have done to you.

[Desperado]

Sal hasn't flipped, so that accusation is false. Period. That you didn't retract it immediately is suspect. Are you that hard up to try and get me lynched? I know you're desperate and I know you want to take advantage of me because I'm hated, but lol.

Being wrong /= being scum. By the way, why don't you show us all your Empking vote? Oh, wait, you don't have one and you never came out against Empking...

Why do we have an SK wagon again?

RC summarized the case literally on this page.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: SK

{Emp, Deas, Tiphaine, Bins, Sala}

^Pretty sure if we just lynch from here the game will end eventually.

Can we just do Emp today then?

[Desperado]

I don't feel good about a Desperado lynch and I don't know why!

Probably something to do with me being town.

[Desperado]

Don't worry, if there are 2 scum left then it is definitely RC/Sala.

[Desperado]

It's never been you?

[Desperado]

Vote: Katsuki

A few reasons, but if his role is what I think it is, I don't understand why it's a town role.

Instead of making all of the town PRs Macho, FG just made the doc unable to target all of them.

Seems pretty elegant to me. Why couldn't you get there?

[Desperado]

AND you're a vanilla vig?

come on dude

[Desperado]

Do you have any other reason for that besides the scum not killing me?

Knowing that you're town and I've been gunning for you for basically the entire game and they didn't know who the vig was?

You speculate that the scum would obviously think I'm the vig--when if I was, the scum weren't in danger and I was either going to a) shoot you or b) shoot someone else and lead a lynch on you in the day instead.

[Desperado]

Anyways I think this is the only play for today.

Vote: RC

You're just lynching me for being hated? Why didn't we do this earlier then? :/

It comes across as opportunistic for you to do this now, Kat. Like you want to buy one more day for Desp. I'm convinced Desp is scum for the mere fact that everyone here was falling over themselves to put Desp in their scumteam until I actually said, "okay, let's vote him". Now you and Nat are both backtracking!

Nope, you're still wrong. I was in everyone's POE because there's nothing concrete to remove me from the lynchpool.

[Desperado]

Oh, wait, I figured out something else. Desp claimed Red Knight, right? Check this out:

Dead:

SleepyKrew, who was

White Queen

, and

Town

Vanilla Townie

Empking, who was

White King

, and

Mafia

Goon

Nachomamma8, who was

White Knight

, and

Town

Novice Cop

TiphaineDeath , who was

Red Queen

, and

Mafia

Goon

Cho, who was

Red King

, and

Town

Vanilla Townie

What's missing here? The Red Knight. Look at the pattern though.

White King = Scum; Red King = Town
White Queen = Town; Red Queen = Scum
White Knight = Town; Red Knight = ???

Or...each group of three contains one scum!

[Desperado]

You know, like I've been saying the entire game.

[Desperado]

Any other reasons that I'm town that you want to blatantly twist in the opposite direction?

[Desperado]

The neighborhoods.

[Desperado]

What?

I said both neighborhoods have one scum. I wasn't even talking about you.

[Desperado]

Someone tell me why Desp is town.

Did you even read 2303?

[Desperado]

Who was the third vote?

[Desperado]

RC forgetting his role is a towntell, if anything.

Yeah, RC forgetting the thing that his entire game has been centered around is a towntell.

[Desperado]

Did you ever answer whether there's anything driving your scumread beyond me not dying last night?

[Desperado]

If you really think shooting me is a good idea then we should just lynch me. Cuz it isnt Katsuki

[Desperado]

And RC shuttling the responsibility for yet another wagon...im shocked, i say. Shocked!

[Desperado]

5621 Briar Oaks Lane apt. 403 raleigh nc 27612

You can make the check out to Richard Clark.

[Desperado]

Just to clarify, you're saying that you have in fact been really scummy?

[Desperado]

If anyone but Salamence was this stupid fucking Beloved Neighborizer this game would be easy.

Mason lovers and BP never made sense anyway

[Desperado]

Q: Why was Cho killed?

A: Desperado is scum.

Also the vote counts make a lot of sense if Desperado is scum.

Cho was killed because the scum thought I was the vig and expected me to either shoot DV or push his lynch yesterday.

Which VCs specifically make sense with me as scum and why?

[Desperado]

I'm slightly annoyed that I was completely ignored when it came to RC, and I still think it's Katsuki and Desp. I'll have to go over this properly first of course, but that's where my head is at.

So why am I alive again?

[Desperado]

Good thing I'm town!

[Desperado]

Vote: Sala

[Desperado]

Well thats extremely convenient.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Natirasha

[Desperado]

Everyone is conftown to me except Nat soooo

[Desperado]

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< not scum

[Desperado]

lol

[Desperado]

Good joke, Sala

right?

[Desperado]

Like don't get me wrong, I'd love to be able to quote my d1 post where I called out the entire scumteam and said if we lynched inside it the game would end

But that can't be right.

[Desperado]

I'm probably going to vote Sala

[Desperado]

It's in progress mr. cupcake, shush.

Katsuki, I think I've already caught two scum, you can take your fake daycop guilty and shove it.

Coyote, kats is pretty obviously trolling :/.

Alright Kats, one word answer, are you a daycop?

Vote: Nacho

- Disappointing since he's one of my favourite players, and we didn't even get to speak in the neigbourhood with each other, but role info is role info.

I'm pretty sure that's L_1.

That katsuki is trolling and you are all idiots for following him on to this nacho wagon. I gave kats a chance to hardclaim and convince me, he chose not to, thus, trolling.

What's your read on Katsuki, Empking?

He's been a big part of the day and nobody really seems to find him scummy. I'm using the wisdom of the crowds to call him town.

Skrew, I am reasonably certain kats hasn't given anyone a completely straight, useful answer this game, and he so far seems unlikely to do so. Unfortunately I also think the cupcake is town so the irritation will have to remain in the game.

I don't think these two were reacting to their buddy fakeclaiming a guilty.

[Desperado]

The only thing giving me pause about it is TD calling him cupcake, but if they've played together under kats' cupcake account then that doesn't really matter.

[Desperado]

Hi guys my pronoun is now 'cupcake'.

This post also exists

[Desperado]

So you're basing your LYLO vote strictly on the previous day's twilight?

[Desperado]

I wrecked your team's shit so hard in Anything Goes that you had to dayvig me.

[Desperado]

I was also pretty awesome in Harry Potter

[Desperado]

As for your question, my scumplay is whatever the specific game calls for. I only get NKed if there's a really good reason so I generally act under the assumption that I'm going to be the last one alive. I bus when I think the other players in the game won't tolerate me townreading my buddy any longer.

PEdit: Either way, I caught Elyse and you two in the first five pages and never let go.

[Desperado]

hi

[Desperado]

OK

[Desperado]

I'll vote within 24 hours

[Desperado]

Sala, you're free to argue why Katsuki is scum without mentioning his claim or his behavior yesterday. Like maybe the first 90 pages of the game.

Katsuki, you've just hedged a little on the dead scum interactions. Why is Sala scum?

[Desperado]

A lot of his stances this game have been convenient.

Not to mention I would not have shot notty N4 as scum given what was said in the ALice QT. Since we now know that scum was in the QT that night, notty wasn't shot by someone with no knowledge of what occurred in there that night. I would've just sheeped the confirmed town in voting Sala given his threat of self-voting if notty voted him rather than shooting him.

I need you to try this post again because I'm not really getting what you're saying.

[Desperado]

2. In what world do I (as scum) win here? Don't you think I would have killed anyone but DV and lynch Desp? I mean sure, I could persuade KATS to Desp, but why wouldn't I have voted Desp earlier today? I literally made it much more difficult for the scumteam to win here

This is the only reason I haven't hammered you yet. But the last time I used the "I'm totally here to hammer X, so I'll hammer Y instead!" I mishammered. Why should I make the same mistake twice?

[Desperado]

Oh did we ever mention that I'M FUCKING CLEARED GIVEN THAT THERE'S ONLY 3 SCUM AND TD DIED MEANING THAT I COULDN'T POSSIBLY BE HIS BUDDY ELSE HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DIED TO THE VIG SHOT?!?!?

LOLOL GG SALA

I mean, you could just be a lying bastard. And as genuine as your vanilla doc before DV's vanilla vig claim was, it also could have been a mod-provided fakeclaim.

[Desperado]

But why let you live when DV was set on Desp and I as scum could vote Desp?

I just made this game harder in that case.

Also, I wouldn't be leading, I would spam the fuck out of the PT TO KILL KONOWA BECAUSE MASONS > USELESS COP. LIKE HOLY FUCK WHAT WERE YOU THINKING.

Again, I do consider this decently strong evidence that Sala is town. DV had already made his decisions on Sala and I before he got NKed and if this were me/sala/dv the game is probably over already.

[Desperado]

When I get back from work remind me to see how many of your 300+ posts are actually full of content,

Very few. Reading his ISO was a slog.

[Desperado]

Your's wasn't much better though!

[Desperado]

I'm still pondering.

[Desperado]

You're talking about a PT that i can't see so its all just gibberish to me

[Desperado]

The problem with both of these arguments is that if either of you had left a conftown alive, they would be much more likely to reconsider their reads. This LYLO makes sense, especially with both of you hedging really hard before crossvoting.

[Desperado]

Sala, why is desp scum?

Frankly because I believe all three Alice's are town.

Let me think. Its more likely that Alice is scum than 2 scum in 1 hood in my opinion

I swear to fuck if you two were scum there will be words

DAYVIG: SALA

ITS NOT TOO LATE RITE?!??

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< not scum

For me it comes down to who faked it better

Well its either:

1. Go with my original plan: If it wasnt Nati, its Desp because I believe both Alices are town.
2. Find a way to plead with Desp and lynch Kats because 2 Scum 1 hood < Scum Alice

Pretty much your arguments thus far have been "what setup fuckery is FG going with" and "twilight".

Upon skimming there was 0 interaction between any of the scum, and sala... not even in Sala's list of 8 plausible players for scum... Will skim through desp iso at a later date but i don't think TD/Emp mentioned Desp at all either. :/

I have a feeling it won't take me long to make up my mind I'm already 95/5 at this point (you guys can guess who's the 95 and who's the 5 )

Kat it did not feel like 90/10 to me. You mention that neither of us have any interaction with flipped scum, you say that Sala's LYLO approach is shallow, and then you jump into questioning me for being too accurate even though our meta together suggests the opposite.

[Desperado]

VOTE: Sala

Not 2nd guessing myself this time. Let the cookie crumble as it may.

[Desperado]

[Desperado]

No im sorry, DV dying was obviously Katsuki. I blew that one.

orry everyone. GG and thanks FG!

[Desperado]

I also thought it was hilarious when Katsuki claimed Vanilla Doc, when there already was a Vanilla Vig in the setup.

I'm curious what DV thought of when he saw Kat's claim.

This played heavily into my final decision btw. The fact that Kat thought that up himself and it wasn't a mod provided fakeclaim makes me feel better.