You could be anyone II - Game Over

[Garmr]

4 pages of writing didn't read one

VOTE: Pirate Molly

[Garmr]

After quickly reading the thread

1. Titus

VOTE: Titus

Reasoning is bad in places. She looks like she's trying to hard to find reasoning to vote mollie, what concerns me more through is interactions with the subject on aj they seem to be buttering her up and she's taking a more passive defense approach and she's stated no reason at all why she's sweet I don't see a town titus doing that.

2.Aj

Aj is meh last time she was like this ended up being town and that game was so frustrating angry i thought kuribo was going to turn green like the hulk and smash waynegg.

3Question

4 pages of writing didn't read one

VOTE: Pirate Molly

Didn't read a single page?

That's a bit of silly question
nope not at the time.

[Garmr]

@Garmr, I am trying not to tunnel by page two. The OMGUS is bad and this is remiscient of Book of Shadows Mollie.

I think your using the word OMGUS wrong. Can you explain what you mean with out using slang.

[Garmr]

@Titus

She called them try hards it didn't seem she was making a case against them. From my point of view that's just Mollies being cheeky. I think that's backed up by mollies post here that it was tongue and cheek.

How am I bad? You voted one player and FoSed the two players scumreading you. That's bad OMGUS.

if you think that I fosed vezo you need to go look up irony.

if you think IaI was fosing me, you need to learn what fosing means.

pretty sure that was his way of saying hello.

pretty he had me at hello but I know how sneaky he can be but is a great asset if town so I am keeping him at arm's length until I form a better read.

that you missed all of this is why you are bad, but having said that I do not think you are a bad player just starting things off on the wrong foot if town.

[Garmr]

/me is annoyed with ika.

You do realize crumbing is damn near pointless right as flavor is irrelevant?

Flavors irrelevant?

[Garmr]

I don't think we're out of RVS. I'd rather not do anything to change that, either.

-FFED00

Most people are out of the rvs stage already. Also wtf rvs is something we want to get out as soon as possible so

why do you want to stay in it

?

We have enough to start a topic with out being random by page 3 which caught me off guard since i thought it take 6 pages atleast.

[Garmr]

Also wtf rvs is something we want to get out as soon as possible

Prove it.

-FFED00

Because the longer rvs goes the better scum can hide. Are you scum?

[Garmr]

Oh wait you can't. Because that's just your opinion. Like evolution or shit like that.

-FFED00

Evolution is a fact and a theory. Only the ill informed think it's not real, So what your basically saying is everything that comes is facts that can't be denied.

[Garmr]

Everything that comes out my mouth are facts that can't be denied*

[Garmr]

I guess that's a part of why you got banned then... not everyone can handle the truth.

-FFED00

Yep ignorance used to anger me now it doesn't so won't be getting banned anytime soon :p

but can you stop dodging the subject and stop trying to provoke me and answer this question thank you.

Can you provide a reason why it's better to draw out rvs? i'm more than happy to listen?

btw

[Garmr]

Okay then. If you can understand that my lack of townread on Garmr is due to how he's saying obvious things that are considered to typically be as part of a town mindset, and how that doesn't sound genuine to me, I'd feel better. And that's my impression.

-FFED00

So your basically calling me Captain Obvious?

[Garmr]

I'm calling you a player who is saying really obvious things that could come from either alignment, and I'm leaning scum because the particular things you are saying sound like someone trying to fake a town mindset in RVS rather than an actual town mindset.

Therefore, VOTE: Garmr.

-FFED00

What ever floats your boat bucko. So can I have a guess what's going through your mind.

You probally set this post

I don't think we're out of RVS. I'd rather not do anything to change that, either.

-FFED00

As a trap statement to see if anyone would react. Unsure if you were serious or was a trap, I took a bite so I could get a little bit of a better read on you.

It became quite clear it was when you tried to continuously provoke me you wanted flip out. This could be because you were looking for a reason to vote someone or actually trying to see my reaction. But when I didn't and someone said I looked town you probably felt a little annoyed and placed your vote on me.

So it comes down to were you actually looking for a reason to vote me because the actual reasoning seemed manufactured or was that the worst attempt at scum hunting I ever seen because your posting had a slight like you were getting annoyed at the fact someone didn't agree with you.

[Garmr]

I should really check my posts before posting for grammar and coherence. -_-

[Garmr]

VOTE: Wake88

Nothing prior to post 137 is of any importance.

-FFED00

If you genuinely believed I was leaning scum before, you would of stuck on my wagon. Instead you jumped on a wagon who only posted twice. You basically said your points were worthless.

VOTE: FFAE00 FFED00

[Garmr]

Also Garmr is scum taking advantage of Titus' subpar play but I'll vote him later when I feel like bussing again.

-FFED00

Then why are you voting wake and not me if you think I'm scum? Wakes done nothing alignment indicative his posted two things are pretty much irrelevant.

[Garmr]

I'm calling you a player who is saying really obvious things that could come from either alignment, and I'm leaning scum because the particular things you are saying sound like someone trying to fake a town mindset in RVS rather than an actual town mindset.

Therefore, VOTE: Garmr.

-FFED00

VOTE: Wake88

Nothing prior to post 137 is of any importance.

-FFED00

Excuse you? Don't go putting words in my mouth with your implications and selective quoting. Of course my reads are important, they're

my

reads.

-FFED00

Looks like scum struggling to me.

A quick glance through your ISO shows that you are more concerned with calling whatever you can out as scummy and popping in to criticize posts when you feel like it. You barely, if ever, deign to stop and side with someone being a townread, as if you're trying to cast suspicion on as many people as you can while limiting the positive relations you create if you were to flip. If I didn't just join this site a few weeks ago,

I might even say that it's indicative of you being scum!

-FFED00

Your post before chatting to me were pretty much worthless offering no opinions and just vote hopping. I called you out for something I was curious about now you been flailing like a madman. You must know nothing of my scum game if you think the above is the case. Building positive relations is just as essential to scum as it is to town because when you go down you can take out a townie with you.

Plus your already basically calling me scum so that petty threat to back off that I

Bolded

won't work.

Your words are worthless with out action.

[Garmr]

Fae, I only wish I had thought to become Mom sooner! Congratulations to whoever snatched up that account before me.

I will admit that Garmr being dumb and Garmr being scum are not mutually exclusive scenarios, too!

-FFED00

Who's in this hydra just curious because you make zekrom look good.

[Garmr]

My votes not budging off FF it needs to die.

[Garmr]

Then it should be obvious the only wagons should be you and me one of us has to go today.

[Garmr]

My kingdom for a gladiator shot...

-FFED00

I wish I had a glad shot because I would use it because I'm certain your scum.

[Garmr]

But no, I mustn't! I shall support Queen Mollie in her quest to relieve our fine kingdom of the deadly Coug

ars

!

*cough*

ultimate pro wrestling

*cough cough*

-FFED00

You got a wrestler as your character as well?

[Garmr]

My kingdom for a gladiator shot...

-FFED00

I wish I had a glad shot because I would use it because I'm certain your scum.

I feel like this is yet another thing you think you would say if you were a confident townie. So you say it to try and fabricate a town point of view.

Seriously, is nobody else picking up the incredibly fake vibes coming off of this guy?

-FFED00

Then vote me or are you chicken?

[Garmr]

4 pages of writing didn't read one

VOTE: Pirate Molly

I agree; I do like this. But unfortunately lately I've seen scum growing more and more natural-sounding. It's like they're... evolving!

That is a part of why I don't like him for town at all. Hypocrisy is a null tell in my opinion. The scumread is more because of the specific content regarding his hypocrisy. "Let's get out of RVS, that's what town should be doing" is such an easy statement to make as scum that does nothing for town except give towncred to someone who doesn't deserve it (case in point: vezok's townread on Garmr [yes, I am reading vezok as town]). I find it harder to believe that Garmr is town who said that genuinely, given his entrance.

-FFED00

I am with you on that. he then moved to *mafia is srs bizness* to titus hence the wking comment and then a dovetail onto a 1v1 with you.

do you think this looks like fake progression?

eta: xposts

Then shouldn't you move your vote to me?

[Garmr]

[Garmr]

[quote="In post 185, FFAE00 FFED00"

]Mollie, the only town player who I remember that tried to dive into a very early 1v1 was notscience.

Almost all other instances were scum playing the "I'm acting like I'm confident in my towniness" game.

-FFED00[/quote]



Me 1v1 Grimgrove

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=22393

I 1v1 scum I was forced to vote someone else because someone used a glad

[Garmr]

@FF
I will make you a deal If you stop spamming the thread with shit every ten seconds and think about your posts I will take my vote off you.

[Garmr]

@FF
I will make you a deal If you stop spamming the thread with shit every ten seconds and think about your posts I will take my vote off you.

I don't actually care about your vote but your presence is very uncomfortable with how terrible you are actin.

I hope you are scum because if you are like this as town then well...


FFAE00

Same can be said about you your early game was awful you originally had little reasoning to vote me and you can tell by your progression you looked for it after the vote not before. It was pretty apparent in the way you struggled with my questioning.

Talking about terrible you went to personal insults that weren't game relevant and if you were going to continue down I would of reported you to the mods I'm glad you deterred from that through..

[Garmr]

Hey mollie! Remember Ki Gi?

This Garmr dude might be worse!

FFAE00

You don't want to go down this path.

[Garmr]

Garmr, does the fact that FFAE00 FFED00 did something along a similar vein to what they're accusing you of nullify the accusation? Or does it just make them hypocrites, but accurate hypocrites?

I'm not sure to answer that tbh. I know I'm town so I'm not scared of getting lynched but I think their hypocrites. Do I think it's one the two scenarios above no. I believe they are putting what they would do as scum on me and they don't realize they are doing it themselves. Thing is I'm not them and the fact they are doing it makes me want them lynched more.

[Garmr]

Garmr, does the fact that FFAE00 FFED00 did something along a similar vein to what they're accusing you of nullify the accusation? Or does it just make them hypocrites, but accurate hypocrites?

I'm not sure to answer that tbh. I know I'm town so I'm not scared of getting lynched but I think their hypocrites. Do I think it's one the two scenarios above no. I believe they are putting what they would do as scum on me and they don't realize they are doing it themselves. Thing is I'm not them and the fact they are doing it makes me want them lynched more.

Fair enough.

But are you "sure" they're scum or are you unsure? You said you were sure before, but then you offered to move your vote off of them not much later - that's the point of contention.

Tbh there spamming is killing me and ruining the game If it stops the cycle and the giant headache they are giving me. I'd rather my first game back after i peeped myself up how I changed would not be sour.

xposts re: garmr and ff things

basically you both are accusing each other of the same thing.

bad scum theatre. BAD!

Milking the situation by calling us both scum and not placing a vote down. Your actions have been noted.

[Garmr]

@FF seriously it's come to this

So I will give you the choice

I can leave this game and you can leave me the name of your real accounts so I don't have to play with you ever again.

or

you can stop with the garmr is so bad stuff and definitely don't do it to my closet friend on mafia scum (Mollie) since I've stopped as well. You and I ,we both don't like each others play styles we can both build a bridge and get over it. Then we can all have fun.

[Garmr]

I think it's time for a group hug - and cookies.

(Garmr I don't think any of it was meant to be personal)

@Nero Cain: Does every non-sarcasm post need to end with "btw I'm serious?" Or is it pretty reasonable to assume if something isn't clearly a joke then it's genuine?

Maybe we're just going to disagree here, but you wanted to know my internal logic and it boils down to your vote being indistinguishable (in my eyes) from a serious policy lynch proposal.

When his saying stuff about me to mollie that's were its crossing the line I'm fine with all the other stuff.

[Garmr]

Who are you?



Your pronoun says 'they'

I play alot of skype mafia more than I do forum but I'm Garmr/Jimmy there. The they is joke thing about the voices in my head.(They don't exist.)

[Garmr]

:/

So you are just Garmr Garmr, not Krystal bald in a hydra named Garmr or a mantis Garmr?



Just... Garmr?

this game just garmr.

Any hydras

have garm in through like
Garm-on-mollie(Mollies like a mentor to me)
Garmantz(Me and mantis and chamber. Through both them kinda flaked so i was carrying the weight of three.)

[Garmr]

He looks like flustered Town to me unless I'm missing something.

Yeah the kid is town



Couldn't have known this without my push right?


Although FFED00 was one step ahead

FFAE0

Please never do this to me again. I kinda broke down in rl.

[Garmr]

Be back in a hour.

[Garmr]

Just going to go over my town reads

-

MUM

Biggest town reads at the moment and the only one I feel safe to read. She just oozed town when she was talking to me.(Get my best reads when people talk to me)

Vekoz

Slight town read would like to see him post a bit more on some of the other players through.


Players that disturb me a little that I haven't really mentioned

PerV-

scum Even through his only posted 4 things his post 89 was a pretty obvious question which is fine and all but leads no where at all and that's the problem. I would be more concerned but it was in the rvs stages. He was quite passive like he is now in the scum game I shared with him so yeah.

Kthxbye

Not liking the sheeping nature of this slot

Yeah, I MAY get around to reading the TEN FUCKING PAGES you all wrote while I slept....but, prolly not.

My vote on wake was because d3x was on it and I wanted to put someone in the lead to get this show rolling. Felt good at the time. I see that while I slept, said ball rolled.

VOTE: TiphaineDeath

I mainly like this:

I dislike TD's contributions thus far, esp p326. Overall, he feels like he's trying to skate without making waves.

D1....large game (larger than I'm used to anyway)....this is more than enough reason.

@d3x and PM: I'm town. There, you don't have to figure it out anymore. Question is: Is one of you 'faking' trying to figure me out using our love for one another to cast doubt?! Hmmmmmm...........Good question me.....

For reals though, I like d3x for town. Seem natural and real, not faked, and is what I'd expect from town d3x.

PM, mostly ditto though not as confident. d3x = 20-25 years of history. PM = 1-2ish?

Anyway, moving into my work week with is four 12-14 hour days. Don't expect much during that time and if the game moves as fast as it did last night, don't expect me to read anything beyond current events.

And-a-good-day to you.

p.edit: There ya go d3x, more post for you.

He seems to really suck up a lot more than needed to dex in this post. I can see Kth doing a subtle Fos to pirate mollie but not in a way that would push the game any further. It's more like something to go back to if she is lynched.


Tbh I have mixed feelings for pirate mollie this game she jumping between scum to town and I can't get a solid read. If i could hear her voice it would make this so much simpler. But she's a positive thing for this game because she's driving it forward. So I would rather lynch someone else


A suspicious wagon?
The TiphaineDeath wagon burst up really fast . I feel like it's possible at least one scum could of been on that wagon. The person himself is still a null for me. So I want to look into it some more.

[Garmr]

You're reading Gemma as town and TD as null?

bdkntgklmmlt

Gemma = Mum??

[Garmr]

PerV-scum Even through his only posted 4 things his post 89 was a pretty obvious question which is fine and all but leads no where at all and that's the problem. I would be more concerned but it was in the rvs stages. He was quite passive like he is now in the scum game I shared with him so yeah.

Well, you came in at page 4, stating you didn't read anything. So, in effect, your vote for Mollie was RVS?

I thought I made that obvious. I just wanted to say hey I'm here and I'm going to start reading now.

[Garmr]

PerV-scum Even through his only posted 4 things his post 89 was a pretty obvious question which is fine and all but leads no where at all and that's the problem. I would be more concerned but it was in the rvs stages. He was quite passive like he is now in the scum game I shared with him so yeah.

Well, you came in at page 4, stating you didn't read anything. So, in effect, your vote for Mollie was RVS?

I thought I made that obvious. I just wanted to say hey I'm here and I'm going to start reading now.

No, obvious would be voting Mollie for being a Pirate, or for some game she beat you, or the fact she posted right above you. You gave no reason.

Ohh I get you now. I voted mollie because it's the first time I played with on the forums with out her being in a hydra with me and I wanted her to notice me. The fact I rvsed is because I wanted attention.

[Garmr]

PerV-scum Even through his only posted 4 things his post 89 was a pretty obvious question which is fine and all but leads no where at all and that's the problem. I would be more concerned but it was in the rvs stages. He was quite passive like he is now in the scum game I shared with him so yeah.

Well, you came in at page 4, stating you didn't read anything. So, in effect, your vote for Mollie was RVS?

I thought I made that obvious. I just wanted to say hey I'm here and I'm going to start reading now.

No, obvious would be voting Mollie for being a Pirate, or for some game she beat you, or the fact she posted right above you. You gave no reason.

Ohh I get you now. I voted mollie because it's the first time I played with on the forums with out her being in a hydra with me and I wanted her to notice me. The fact I rvsed is because I wanted attention.

Saying that at the time means more than saying it later. The vote timing seemed suspect because at the time all the wagons were about the same 2 or 3 votes, and that one put her at 2 while she had recently voted Stranger (also a wagon), was debating TSO and debating Titus. Reasonless RVS on most active most engaged player?

Yes 3 small posts which can easily be disregarded and 1 medium post of 5-6 sentences = most engaged player at time -_-. Most engaged player was AJ if you look back.

Also Wow I put mollie at 2 considering AJ was 3 strange cougar was at 2 and Titus was a 2 not to mention I shifted my vote to titus in a mere 20 mins. (took me that long to read the thread think about it and type a response while multi tasking other things.) Your acting like I put her at L-1 with a rvs -_-.

You're reaching man and I don't understand why. I have posted a fuck load of shit and we have like 18 pages of information and your stuck on one page. You haven't really contributed any thoughts or opinions or really pushed anyone.

Your timing is also off with your fos. If you really were suspicious of it you would of pushed at 400. Which reminds me that post is the basically the same thing I called you out for in your post 89. Only when i say I think your scummy do you actually react. You were quite happy playing passively until called out.

I think i'm happy with A PereV wagon
UNVOTE: FFAE00 FFED00

VOTE: PereV

[Garmr]

Saying that at the time means more than saying it later. The vote timing seemed suspect because at the time all the wagons were about the same 2 or 3 votes, and that one put her at 2 while she had recently voted Stranger (also a wagon), was debating TSO and debating Titus. Reasonless RVS on most active most engaged player?

I have no idea how to handle perv's sheeping and then subsequent wking on a player who wked me when I am sure he doesn't think my play is worth a shit.

halp

I can help with that mollie.


scum>>>>>>>>

PereV

<<<<<<<<<scum

[Garmr]

>>> maybe she is scum for not reaching out

FFAE00

What do you think of pereV FF

[Garmr]

I don't care about pereV


FFAE00

Ok then I will note that. If I ask nicely can I get a basic read like scum,null or town off your head.

[Garmr]

Mollie is Nacho even in this game?

Titus I haven't really seen you show any form of town read this game except AJ at the start. Can you give me a quick reads list with at least one town read unless you don't have one?

[Garmr]

Wasn't meant to quote a post did it by accident when I was isoing her.

[Garmr]

Aunt Jemina

d3x

Titus

FFAE00 FFED00

Nero Cain

RachMarie

PeregrineV

Not the mafia

inte

Wake88

StrangerCoug

I have no creativity

Majiffy

T S O

Mom

TheWayItEnds

Yiley

Garmr
TiphaineDeath

pirate mollie

I Am Innocent

Lucky2u
Kthxbye

Josh_B
vezokpiraka

Hey there I see PereV is on your scum list would you like to join me for some tea and crumpets on the PereV wagon.

Mollie is Nacho even in this game?

Titus I haven't really seen you show any form of town read this game except AJ at the start. Can you give me a quick reads list with at least one town read unless you don't have one?

I don't really have much one one. Mom's pretty obviously town as well as AJ. Given my last performance in xmen when I got confident uber early and died and my recent late game performances, it's probably best if I stay here in the back, make observations, vote accordingly but not act with a lot of confidence or force reads.

Had a look at that game after you said that. It looks like we are both trying to change and I can sympathize with that as I'm trying to get less angry and abusive in these mafia games. But I don't think reducing the amount of information you put out is what you need to change. Changing how you read situations things may better as you have misread some joking around things in this thread as serious.

Side note - Nearly everything you do can be shaped into making your win condition town or scum. Wanting a wagon on yourself can draw attention to your opinions if they suspect you or encourage people to work with you once they figure out your town or if your pretty good at lying as scum lol. You just have to think outside the box about situations and how you can use them to your advantage.

[Garmr]

Saying that at the time means more than saying it later. The vote timing seemed suspect because at the time all the wagons were about the same 2 or 3 votes, and that one put her at 2 while she had recently voted Stranger (also a wagon), was debating TSO and debating Titus. Reasonless RVS on most active most engaged player?

I have no idea how to handle perv's sheeping and then subsequent wking on a player who wked me when I am sure he doesn't think my play is worth a shit.

halp

There are too many pronouns in this sentence for me to follow.

Help Mollie? Can you translate this but using playernames?

I think that perv's wking of me whilst throwing suspicion on garmr who wked me and saying that he is sus for rvsing in the first place when I am pretty sure perv does not think much of my game was where I was going with that.

hmmm Mollie can you give a opinion on PereV. I promise you that it will be valued very much.

[Garmr]

Oh yeah. This is why I like replacing into themes after day 1.

I barely remember anything from the colors clusterfuck pages so im commenting on current events instead.

TSO, the magical votes are the interesting way in which the following happenned. Voted AJ, You voted AJ, FF, Voted AJ. I stepped off AJ because something pinged about you and FF, you voted me, and then FF voted me.

Just to clarify:
You think that one or both of these players has to be scum because they are very obviously voting as a block and just hoping no one will notice?

As opposed to accidentally voting as a block based on things happening in the thread and not caring who else is on the wagon?

....really?

@StrangerCoug:

Have you played with RachMarie before?
How much are you taking 316 in the context of 315?

@Garmr:

Have you played with PV before?

@PV

Id assume the blue and the dark red are the obv versions and not the leaning versions.
Like mollie is obv town and jiffy is obv scum.
Thats how I read it.

I'm in the middle of typing a response to PV but yes I have his scum read me in every game we have shared.

[Garmr]

Except, at the time you said you didn't look. A So either you came in, read the thread and tried to distract from Mollie's posting, or B you came in, read nothing, and RVS voted Mollie.

You're accusing me of A I said I done B. If i done A Wouldn't it of made more sense to do it to Aj?

Also Wow I put mollie at 2 considering AJ was 3 strange cougar was at 2 and Titus was a 2 not to mention I shifted my vote to titus in a mere 20 mins. (took me that long to read the thread think about it and type a response while multi tasking other things.) Your acting like I put her at L-1 with a rvs -_-.

No, I'm actually pointing out exactly what you did, while trying to determine the truth of why you did it.

How was that relevant to what I said I said there were other options that made more sense to hop on with out a reason -other 2 votes-. My point was at the time mollie wasn't the most engaged player,If I did read the thread why would I pick the wagon which would gain the least momentum?

You're reaching man and I don't understand why. I have posted a fuck load of shit and we have like 18 pages of information and your stuck on one page. You haven't really contributed any thoughts or opinions or really pushed anyone.

Confused on how I'm reaching. Can you explain specifically what I'm reaching for in trying to determine your motivation?
Lots of those 18 pages are the FFFFFF hydra posting a single sentence and then another post to sign his previous post.
I've actually been posting my thoughts and opinions as they come up. As for pushing? Nah, not so far, except for asking you to explain your out-of-the-blue vote. You did, and I explained why I thought the timing was bad.
And you don't seem to like it.

I don't like it because there is so many holes in why scum would do it (No momentum,easier votes else where,I changed my vote in the next post after). Also trying to figure out my motivation of a rvs post. Are you fucking kidding me. I will say this again and bit clearer. Your trying to make me out to be this scum mastermind who drops a master plan in a rvs post which has no potential advantage as scum or town and should be read as null.

Which reminds me that post is the basically the same thing I called you out for in your post 89.

400 is me asking Mom why a lack of response to her calling Nero scum is "telling", since players ignore shit all the time, but somehow she gleaned some special information out of calling Nero scum and begin ignored. Considering the amount I'm ignored, I want what she has. Otherwise,

she's trying to create some artificial scumtell with a statement like that.

Since post 89 is mine, please point out where you did something similar.

My point was it would lead no where and hasn't really pushed anymore opinions out of Mom also

the irony

Only when i say I think your scummy do you actually react. You were quite happy playing passively until called out.

Don't really cared that you called me scummy. It happens a lot.
But, since you did seem confused on the questioning, I thought I'd clarify it for you.
But, I do like the enthusiasm.

Ok understandable.

I'm in the middle of typing a response to PV but yes I have his scum read me in every game we have shared.

Are you saying I always scumread you, or you always scumread me?

You always scum read me (out of the two games we played) You were right on half of them through. :p


Also please don't use the emotional freak out thing as a tell. I can do this as town or scum so it should be taken as null.

[Garmr]

You're accusing me of A I said I done B. If i done A Wouldn't it of made more sense to do it to Aj?

Not if you are scum with AuntJ, or consider Mollie more of a threat. + AuntJ monologues(78) were not the same as Mollie dialogues(81)

I asked, you said B, I said, it could have been A (424)

Moving on to the rest of 516.

why the slobbering all over that syrup thing

eta: that was to tso
eta2: you are still pretty bad titus

Mollie's a threat to theoretical scum me in this post because???

[Garmr]

How was that relevant to what I said I said there were other options that made more sense to hop on with out a reason -other 2 votes-. My point was at the time mollie wasn't the most engaged player,If I did read the thread why would I pick the wagon which would gain the least momentum?

If she would have pissed off Titus and TSO at that time, it easily could have gained momentum. I can't speculate as to why you think the Mollie-wagon would have gone nowhere had you been lying about your vote. It seems a waste of time, and according to you would be pointless, since your not lying about your vote.

Lets be honest here none of the above are power players in this game and the chances of a emotional wagon that wouldn't hurt me latter on are slim if I was scum. But what has me concerned is the fact your treating Mollie as confirmed town.

Only when i say I think your scummy do you actually react. You were quite happy playing passively until called out.

Don't really cared that you called me scummy. It happens a lot.
But, since you did seem confused on the questioning, I thought I'd clarify it for you.
But, I do like the enthusiasm.

Ok understandable.

My point was it would lead no where and hasn't really pushed anymore opinions out of Mom also the irony

Working on the Mom angle.

You always scum read me (out of the two games we played) You were right on half of them through. :p

I'll take 50%, but pretty sure those were a while back. (which ones where they?)

Also please don't use the emotional freak out thing as a tell. I can do this as town or scum so it should be taken as null.

Already considered a null, as mentioned before.

They were mafia fire and ice the game I got banned for and aeroplane mafia were that headache of a player waynegg appeared.

[Garmr]

@ garmr

I kind of feel like perv would not blatantly sheep my vote as scum. I feel the same way about majiffy. I think we need to sort those who are on the fringe but perv is in my unsure mebbe town pile. he has never been the easiest for me to read despite us playing a shitton of games together. in some games I feel like I have a better grasp of perVology 101 than others.

but ffa loves him so its okay!

there are a lot of players who are not getting their hands dirty.

Ok that's all I needed to know is that you were unsure of his alignment not what you actually thought of him. Your opinion has been appreciated.

[Garmr]

I cannot actually articulate just how much I hate Garmr's playstyle, but whatever.

Hahaha I also dislike your playstyle too must be opposite repel.

[Garmr]

You need to revise your science.

I know the real saying is opposites attract but in our case it's reversed we break physics.

I also liked strange cougars latter argument against you it netted him a leaning town read. But does that mean you're scum? Not really so would you like to elaborate your views on a certain person called Dex. You questioned him in post 431 and post 434 and I am just a little curious what you actually got out of him with that?


@Nerocain

Tbh I wanted to question you but I don't know where to start. You have 20 or so post and not one jumps out at me and that concerns me. So engage with me on something to give me a little clarity. (ps you can ask questions about what I'm thinking to.)

[Garmr]

Hey Check QT other person I left a few notes there for you to read.

Not-so-subtle crumbs noted.

Oh gawd is this one of those qt focused games. I been noticing multiple slips or crumbs of people having day chat and I didn't want to say anything because I thought it would be antitown. But now wake has mentioned it.

[Garmr]

/me is annoyed with ika.

You do realize crumbing is damn near pointless right as flavor is irrelevant?

Flavors irrelevant?

Something I'd like clarified.

Was bait for someone to bite no one did at the time.

[Garmr]

Oh gawd is this one of those qt focused games. I been noticing multiple slips or crumbs of people having day chat and I didn't want to say anything because I thought it would be antitown. But now wake has mentioned it.

Is this bait too?

Because I literally dont remember this happening.

No I thought someone did a qt slip by providing info they shouldn't know and I'm trying to figure out if it's a neighborhood/mason or a scum qt.

I see.

If it's a legitimate question, why consider it bait?

Because the mod said that roles were assigned randomly and I was curious to see who was on the ball or not. No one corrected me and that made me a sad panda.

[Garmr]

Because the mod said that roles were assigned randomly and I was curious to see who was on the ball or not. No one corrected me and that made me a sad panda.

Just so I know for future reference.

Is "reading the game" a towntell or a scumtell?

More a town tell as scum don't need to as much.

[Garmr]

T S O, your thoughts on Mollie?[/quote

Well, she's trying hard, I'll give her that, but I'd need to see a lot more to call her town than I have, since nothing she's done is particularly difficult to fake as scum. What about you?

I also liked strange cougars latter argument against you it netted him a leaning town read. But does that mean you're scum? Not really so would you like to elaborate your views on a certain person called Dex. You questioned him in post 431 and post 434 and I am just a little curious what you actually got out of him with that?

I don't get this. I don't get how you could possibly agree with anything SC has posted, and I don't see how you could simultaneously agree with him, townread him and then not call me scum.

I don't even remember talking to d3, but I'll look back.

I didn't say I agreed with it I said I liked his posts. To me he seemed genuine even through he was over thinking things.

[Garmr]

@TSO

Since I opened my mouth about spotting a potential day qt which I think has a extremely high busting chance of scum maybe even 2 (one out the potential qt I have the feeling one is town which one through......). Should I say it because I kinda did the same thing to you in the fast and furious game and you were masons.

[Garmr]

Garmr, T S O, ask me some questions.

How do you feel about Mollie?

[Garmr]

@TSO

Since I opened my mouth about spotting a potential day qt which I think has a extremely high busting chance of scum maybe even 2 (one out the potential qt I have the feeling one is town which one through......). Should I say it because I kinda did the same thing to you in the fast and furious game and you were masons.

I'm not really up for you revealing it right now, but at the same time, it's not like outing a PR or its ilk.

If you really feel you need to, or that you can effectively break the set-up to isolate scum by dong it, then yes. If not, consider if it's actually going to benefit us in any tangible realistic way.

If you still feel it will, then go for it, I guess.

I think I'll say it because it may break up the thread a bit.

I kinda have to go now, but might bbl, so yaw.

Shame the slip featured mollie.

[Garmr]

FFS I got the wrong impression

ignore the qt slip thing

. This was the post I thought was the slip

Saying that at the time means more than saying it later. The vote timing seemed suspect because at the time all the wagons were about the same 2 or 3 votes, and that one put her at 2 while she had recently voted Stranger (also a wagon), was debating TSO and debating Titus. Reasonless RVS on most active most engaged player?

I have no idea how to handle perv's sheeping and then subsequent wking on a player who wked me when I am sure he doesn't think my play is worth a shit.

halp

There are too many pronouns in this sentence for me to follow.

Help Mollie? Can you translate this but using playernames?

I think that perv's wking of me whilst throwing suspicion on garmr who wked me and saying that he is sus for rvsing in the first place when I am pretty sure perv does not think much of my game was where I was going with that.

Since I only slightly skimmed it this next post made me think mollie had information she didn't.

So let's see if I understand...

Perv attacked Garmr for whiteknighting of you while simulanteously white knighting you?

Then something about RVS?

Can you break down the point more slowly? I'm trying to get premises here to analyze.

With her saying that I thought mollie was accusing pereV of accusing me of white knighting as well which he didn't.

So first idea in my head Hey it must be a qt

. God Titus's misinterpretations are

infectious

!


I thought that Mollie and PereV were in a qt and PereV was white knighting to try and get on her good side and something he said in the qt made her think maybe town because I couldn't see it happening out here.That's why I asked Mollie what she thought of PereV I wanted to know if they were masons or not if they were I would of laid off PereV all together.

[Garmr]

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum

They were mafia fire and ice the game I got banned for and aeroplane mafia were that headache of a player waynegg appeared.

I liked waynegg he was an adorable little troll.
.

Dirty lies everyone's fav troll is you swwwoooonnnnsss

[Garmr]

i only glanced thought this cluster fuck but now im going off the top of me head on randomness and things we talked about:

gamer/SC scum team with possible PM?

the read list means something but means nothing.

im going to be lazy with day 1 right now due to spam

also i wanted to be parker but could not be that either.

@titus, tell my your role so i dont have to be paranoid

It's Garmr and what makes you think I'm connected with strange cougar?

[Garmr]

@ika, go ahead and be paranoid. When I get a solid townread on you I will.

@Mom, FF is just poking fun at me being the usual mislynch wagon of choice. People throw shit. I respond to shit. I scumhunt outside of that. People throw more shit. Thread devolves. I get policy lynched because people throw shit on me. I don't particularly like being made fun of like that.

Anyway, see all those votes on me? It's the 'scum love lynching person with many posts' phenomenon.

We should look at my wagon for the scum.


FFAE00

People tend to say scum is on my wagon closer to their lynch do you feel like your going to get lynched today?
To me it looks like TD wagon would most likely have scum on it no matter his alignment. If his town his a easy vote no one would question or if his scum free town cred. Plus the speed the wagon grew is more likely scum hopped onto it. While your wagon is gradual growth.

You can probably tell I'm still willing to lynch you.

I am a Titus. I post too much and get 400 posts in a Day 1. Nobody listens to me. Everyone wants to lynch me and I don't know why.


Woe is me!

FFAE00

Also did this really need to be posted. There's better ways to say that could encourage growth in a player not shut them down.

[Garmr]

Also I think Garmer is scum. Last game, scum had daytalk until the encryptor died. which wasn't very long.

Was I not supposed to mention multiball

Any other reason you think I'm scum?

[Garmr]

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

[Garmr]

If you don't know my identity by now, you never will.
And if you do know my identity but aren't treating me as confirmed town, just ignore me for the rest of the game.

FFED00

Killer nacho and some random?

[Garmr]

Is ff a hydra of marquis and ika? Cause it sure feels that way.

Ika is in i have no creativity if i remember right.

[Garmr]

Tammy is in FF fuck the slots town. Tammys always town never scum.

[Garmr]

Tammy is in FF fuck the slots town. Tammys always town never scum.

Tammy literally is always scum.

It's a skype mafia thing I even gave her a custom role in a skype mafia game where she had to say she was town every 10 secounds or she would be mod killed. She was town wannabe survivor.

[Garmr]

I typed a mean post to tso and don't feel good about it.

@ garmr

why were you looking for writeboads again?

Habit from my scum game that leaks into my town ask Tso as he has experienced me doing it as town before.

[Garmr]

I typed a mean post to tso and don't feel good about it.

@ garmr

why were you looking for writeboads again?

Habit from my scum game that leaks into my town ask Tso as he has experienced me doing it as town before.

link?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=32209

I out tso and desp because I suspect them of being mafia because I suspect them of being mafia. But I guess that game was ore how tso and desp treated each other as confirmed town. That's probally not the best case through but aircraft mafia is better.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... ct[]=23230

Also aircraft mafia when i thought titus and moz were masons

posts are 632 saying you can't titus with out mozand post 958 at me getting angry at titus because I thought she was dropping a power role tell on herself. Post 1026 is me admitting to thinking titus and moz where mason.

[Garmr]

@Mollie Also you should know I hunt for roles when we were in a hydra we spent hours talking about peoples potential roles... Tbh you been off with your questions I feel like sometimes your asking things you already know.

[Garmr]

@Josh/TSO not TD.

At the time of vote:
I think Tipaine used a very solid mylo scum tactic to accuse TSO/colorhex of being scum. Unfortunately it's D1 and barely not out of RVS. It's too early to be making those sort of associatives from a town mind set. Tiphaine tried to skip important parts of the game.
Further:
I also think scum have daychat , and she didn't figure out that I was making fun of her on her own, the vote hop was also scummy and showed that she didn't have any investment in her own case, her explaination that TSO/colorhex were voting similarly was weak and even weaker when she turned it into both of them might be scum.

Josh here's a question for you if I get lynched or night killed and then I flip town. Do you think scum would still have day chat?

[Garmr]

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

Partly because I misunderstood the whole qt slipping thing. I thought that you slipped about being in a qt. But why QT and not PT. Has jason still not switched over yet?

Lucky2you is probably scum. It seems like he thinks Garmer is scum, but he's more focused on the wagon ending.

After reading this post you pointed out something I missed. The fact he wasn't happy that my wagon stopped. Which I consider curious as my wagon never really took off. (basically was a rvs vote from a player who hasn't returned and ff.) In fact my wagon has never been past 2 votes.

I want Lucky2you to explain himself so I get a clearer image of whats going on in his mind.

[Garmr]

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

Partly because I misunderstood the whole qt slipping thing. I thought that you slipped about being in a qt. But why QT and not PT. Has jason still not switched over yet?

Lucky2you is probably scum. It seems like he thinks Garmer is scum, but he's more focused on the wagon ending.

After reading this post you pointed out something I missed. The fact he wasn't happy that my wagon stopped. Which I consider curious as my wagon never really took off. (basically was a rvs vote from a player who hasn't returned and ff.) In fact my wagon has never been past 2 votes.

I want Lucky2you to explain himself so I get a clearer image of whats going on in his mind.

I bet we can clear this shit up in a heartbeat

hey lucky do you like playing scum or town?

Don't know whats that got to do with anything but why are you answering for him?

[Garmr]

You have 20 or so post and not one jumps out at me and that concerns me. So engage with me on something to give me a little clarity. (ps you can ask questions about what I'm thinking to.)

If my posts were jumping at you then I'd highly consider getting off of whatever substance you are on.

Tell me about Mom, TSO, SC and FF.

I'm on Sodium Valporate

Mom-Town has a few town point has nothing that appears scummy
Strange cougar-slight town read which comes more from a emotional feel not because he provides the best cases.
Tso- A null-town Through I have a bit of trouble reading tso.
ff- null-scum At first I was certain but now I feel a little conflicted on this slot.

[Garmr]

D3x, I apologize for not quoting a game we were both in and read. Saying Mollie tends to come in and be confused is not vague at all. That was her entire stance Day 1 in Book of Shadows. What's going on? is also commonly asked by players that are or are acting confused. I can grab quotes later if you have forgotten.

titus did you read the post that d3x linked?

I am going to keep this very very simple.

[] yes
[] no

cos it does not seem like you did.

I didn't dodge about TD. I am leaning he is horrible town OMGUSIng everything in sight. I don't think an action is objectively scummy or townie. It depends on context.

I did redirect to FF. FF might not have mentioned my name but he has particularly satirized me in the thread. The whole woe is me after spamming is a large insult to me which I had commented on previously. I am redirecting to him because I am more confident he will flip scum and in the event I am wrong the game will be more enjoyable to everyone and more associations can be drawn.

put this in context.

you were pl-ed in xmen for doing the exact same thing that you are accusing ff creatures for (you had over 500+ posts on d1!!1!), the difference being is that the overwhelming majority of ff posts are actually game relevant while you and rogue spammed the thread with irrelevant gd crap. <---- you ruined the game for a lot of people that is why you were pl-ed I think I am the only dummy who actually thought you were scum and it was only cos I gave you more credit than you deserve.

there is 1 thing in this world that I cannot fucking stand it is a hypocrite.

especially a self-righteous 1 who thinks they are better than the person they are putting down without 1 ounce of humility that would demonstrate that you actually learned something from that game.

I don't care who ff creatures are. I do take in consideration that they more or less outed themselves and I don't think they would do that as scum. I could be wrong. I will also probably be more sympathetic than most as far as seekrit alts or hydras even tho I hate them cos once I pretended to be my mentor while he pretended to be some1 else in a game. he gave me his account cos he wanted to see how I handled heavy town expectations and he wanted to play against me to see what I had learned from him. we couldn't do this with outside interference. I think it is a cheap way to dodge meta but who am I to judge.

I don't care who mom is. mebbe it is nacho, thorella, mastina, tierce, tammy, fery who the fuck knows. who cares. I don't like how nero is trying to take advantage of mom wanting to be anonymous by using thorella's meta on her. I don't even care if nero is right. mom feels townish but with titus's townread on her I am so rethinking it. I don't like the trolleytracking but nero's pushback feels even more wrong.

d3x is so town, he will bleed green I think. he is a vulcan. his response to me suggesting competing agons between him and td was so unselfconscious, so not concerned with the outcome it can only come from town. <---- both majiffy and nacho have had to explain how a suvivalistic mindset is not a scumtell for over a year. but the lack of 1 seems to be sure as fuck a towntell.

there are people who are not posting and skating.

not mafia is 1.
inte is another.

I am giving tso a bit of space I feel like when people pester me with "OMG WHAT IS YOUR READ ON ME" questions they tend to come from town.

tbh I kinda wanna flashwagon not mafia. I have seen his townflail before so I feel like mebbe I have a decent grasp of it? I can't read td worth shit I wish I could but I can't.

if this turns out to be multi-ball a lot of these reads will change and when I say multi-ball I mean multi scum teams not an sk. my read on d3x WON'T you will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers and that will only happen if jason in a pm tells me he is from the zombieboard.

I can feel the emotion from this post I don't think scum mollie could post this. I feel like I can be at ease with this slot.

[Garmr]

you were pl-ed in xmen for doing the exact same thing that you are accusing ff creatures for (you had over 500+ posts on d1!!1!), the difference being is that the overwhelming majority of ff posts are actually game relevant while you and rogue spammed the thread with irrelevant gd crap. <---- you ruined the game for a lot of people that is why you were pl-ed

I think I am the only dummy who actually thought you were scum and it was only cos I gave you more credit than you deserve.

there is 1 thing in this world that I cannot fucking stand it is a hypocrite.

especially a self-righteous 1 who thinks they are better than the person they are putting down without 1 ounce of humility that would demonstrate that you actually learned something from that game.

emotion = a hint of anger.

[Garmr]

I should really sleep but before I forget.


VOTE: Josh_B

[Garmr]

VOTE: garmer

this thing is still scum. we both agreed on it and im not waitng for vote hammer. his talk about QT vs PT and sevral other aspects are scum oriented

I would like to meet this garmer fellow.

[Garmr]

@Nero, so I was lynched for disagreeing with the majority. My feu case was solid and right. I was lynched for scumreading Venmar for being useless and responding to shit.

that isn't why you were lynched.

Also, where the hell do you get off saying I want to lynch either of you or Mom? It's bullshit like that that makes it impossible to wirk with people.

I can see where nero got that:

Why don't we see who is right? Mom or Nero Cain or if that's town v town? I doubt Mom and NC would be scumbuddies together.

I'd rather flashwagon inte out of the two. Not mafia has some content in his posts and might be redeemable. Inte's just useless and bitches about posting rate.

it looks to me like you are wanting to lynch 1 of the 2 to see if it is tvt or if 1 is scum.

were you meaning something different here?

also that post makes me wanna lynch not mafia all the moar

VOTE: not mafia

also plz tell me what content he has produced! cos I see none.

Hey mollie you also think josh is scum want to hop on the josh wagon with me.

[Garmr]

its a pl vote.

what are your thoughts on pl-s?

he was aping popular sentiment, not really doing anything credible.

what is kind of funny is he sounds like josh!

(garmr I am not ignoring you)

Don't worry I know your not becuase you cherish every single one of my heavenly words.

[Garmr]

Wow these shift of votes to Td seem weird right after the ff wagon becomes the dominate wagon?

[Garmr]

Yeah guys.

Everyone go back to having just 1 or 2 votes on half the members of the game.

That'll get us more info than competing wagons.



In other news this is probably still scum.

But that didn't stop you from voting me when I had only one vote on me you also shifted your vote when you saw I have no creativity on my wagon.
Don't know if you realize your being hypocritical here.

[Garmr]

Garmr, your statement only matters if you can back it up.

You're calling Numbers scum over TD. I believe you're wrong. Either you back it up, or we ignore you and we lynch scum-TD.

It was a observation not a case I can't really back it up but it brings up more questions.

1. Why didn't the people vote Td earlier if they supported a td lynch why did they wait until his wagon fell.

2.TWIE Has only interacted with td once before (A really post which look like a virtual facepalm.) and hasn't actually shown any interest in him. His explation to vote td was kinda bad.

3.What other wagons were potentially building at the time.

[Garmr]

1. Why does the wagon delaying make a difference? In fact, wouldn't the wagon be more likelier to pick up scum votes at its zenith, rather than its decline?

2. This is relevant if you feel that people have to actually interact to gain scumreads - I don't really, so it's kinda irrelevant to me.

3. Again, I don't get where this is going? Maybe if you move it on, I'll see the light, but until then...

this post was more about TheWayItEnds more than dex. His recent actions have just strike me as odd.

1. having your vote just before the middle it is a safer vote you because people tend to look at the final votes more and the ones who started the wagon.

2. He hasn't given out indication of scum reads at all I feel like his just voting were he feels like it would be safe.

3. the ntf wagon. This might just be because I feel like I was going to place my vote on it if it wasn't for the td wagon getting rebuilt.

[Garmr]

But that didn't stop you from voting me when I had only one vote on me you also shifted your vote when you saw I have no creativity on my wagon.
Don't know if you realize your being hypocritical here.

No it did not.

Because at the time I voted you the only wagon I could have joined to create a competing wagon situation would have been the colors. And I would have only voted that because they spammed up the thread.

You were being scummy, so I voted you in the hopes that your wagon would take off. It did not.

In fact, the other non IHNC vote on the wagon jumped off ON THE SAME PAGE AS I DID. It seemed pretty clear that wasn't going anywhere.

I guess if you completely ignore context, I'm being hypocritical here.... but I mean. I dont. So...

K?

The other vote on me was a rvs that was on me since the first page I have been expecting yiley to jump off me or give actual reasoning for a while.

The only other competing wagon part is also untrue there was a mum wagon, a td wagon and any of the other people voted at one. You obviously thought td was scum due to what you say now and the only vote on me was a rvs vote and no one was eager to push me.

What's interesting is YOU WANTED TO HOP ON A COMPETEING WAGON. Not a wagon you thought was scum.

I voted you the only wagon I could have joined to create a competing wagon

[Garmr]

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

[Garmr]

The other vote on me was a rvs that was on me since the first page I have been expecting yiley to jump off me or give actual reasoning for a while.

The only other competing wagon part is also untrue there was a mum wagon, a td wagon and any of the other people voted at one. You obviously thought td was scum due to what you say now and the only vote on me was a rvs vote and no one was eager to push me.

What's interesting is YOU WANTED TO HOP ON A COMPETEING WAGON. Not a wagon you thought was scum.

Ok? You were still being scummy on that page? Which seems like a good enough reason to hope that a wagon would form on you in response. And you obviously didn't have a problem with me voting you, given that you completely ignored my vote for like 10 pages.

TD was at 6.
Colors were at 3.
Mom was at 2.

Putting mom to 3 does not a competing wagon make, especially since I didnt understand the Mom votes in the first place.
So voting a scumread is a much better option?

Actually whats really interesting is that you took a quote of me saying I wouldnt join the colors wagon because I didnt have a reason to vote them other than how much I didnt like their spam, and somehow tried to interpret that as I would join any wagon that would create a competing wagon regardless of what I thought of them. WHICH IS SOMEHOW LITERALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT THAT QUOTE SAYS. So like, gj there.

Does making the middle of my quote bigger help you ignore the context or is that just a side effect of you being obvscum?

Wrong you can not deny the fact you said it.

You were looking for a counter wagon.

You wanted a competing wagon on your scum read

there is no denying it. The fact you said you didn't want to push the FF wagon just reinforces it more and begs the question what is ff to you.

POINTS
1.Didn't want to vote Td at the time but now is fine with it now because td is probably going to get lynched and your counter wagon to him never took off.

2.Was looking for a counter wagon for td but didn't want to touch the FF.

3.Had to make a excuse to jump off my wagon (because i have no creativity joined) as it started to fall but still thinks I'm scum.

4.Then makes another excuse about how my wagon wasn't taking off when his first excuse wasn't valid in attempt to fling dirt at me.

5. The above excuse is something he was being a hypocrite about and did himself.



Also you now trying to discredit me with saying things like I ignored your vote for ten pages. I was actually waiting to see if you would give reasoning which you actually didn't. So that says to me you were quite content with voting something you think people would take as scummy but when it did not take off so you jumped on the td wagon. This shows your more concerned about fitting into the crowd than you are actual hunting.

[Garmr]

@twie I love watching scum like you squirm

So first of all.

I just made a post where I explained why I dont like TD. Why dont you take a minute. Look at the quote numbers on that post, and then look at the number in the post where I voted you. (hint: one of these is lower than the other one)

Provided reasoning because people were starting to ask why td. Also your points were refuted by mum

Second of all:

Yes. I like day 1 competing wagons. They are great for making people make a choice about which wagon to join. But that only works if the 2 wagons are of big enough size for that choice to matter.

That would make sense if there weren't already two competing wagons and there's one which you were happy to vote.

WITH THAT BEING SAID.

I'm still not going to push town as the competing wagon.

Thats why I didn't join the colors wagon.

Thats why I didnt join the Mom wagon.

Thats why I voted you.

Because you arent town.

Before you were reasoning for not voting mom was

Putting mom to 3 does not a competing wagon make, especially since I didnt understand the Mom votes in the first place.
So voting a scumread is a much better option?

Not that she was town no consistency here shows scum flailing.

You're point 3 is almost as big as a fucking joke as the one where I cant be scumreading TD because I wasnt directly interacting with him.
You literally just argued that Yiley doesnt count because he was an RVS vote and now you're attempting to argue that him leaving means your wagon was collapsing. You should pick one of these arguments and fucking stick with it because you sound ridiculous arguing both of them.

So my wagon was collapsing and wasn't ever going to take off as no one had legit reasoning to be on it. How do these two contradict each other.

I sat on your wagon for 10 pages and no one joined. I dont need a fucking excuse to hop off. 2 votes on someone is fucking worthless on day 1.
Its worthless for getting someone lynched.
Its worthless for voting patterns or VCA.
Its worthless because it doesnt create pressure.

Well this answered in a simple way. YOU NEVER HAD THE INTENTION TO PUSH IT. If I was really a scum read. This shows your more content just letting things flow and being

worthless

to the overall game. if you were actually thinking with logic you would go the wagon you thought was scummy TD or push me and make a actual case. Only now when pushed do you actually make any attempt at a case.

Its. Fucking. Worthless.

Does moving my vote off of you make you less scum?

Fuck no it doesnt.

But it makes my vote less worthless.

Worthless was your vote in the first place if you weren't going to push it and pretty much describes what you were happy to be.

4 expanded for you

Yeah guys.

Everyone go back to having just 1 or 2 votes on half the members of the game.

That'll get us more info than competing wagons.

In other news this is probably still scum.

A reasoning was provided if you actually felt the first reason was adequate you wouldn't have to put a second one. The bolded part is the mud flung in attempt to make me discredit my above post as stupid.

. Also I changed my mind.
Your "more concerned about fitting into the crowd than actual hunting" is now the stupidest argument you've made yet.

Fitting into the crowd is why I swapped off of an anonymous wagon.

Fitting into the crowd is why I answered a question that wasnt directed at me.



Fitting into the crowd is why I typed up a case against TD when Mom asked me.

Fitting into the crowd is why I'm sitting here arguing with an obvious scumbag.

You're gonna have to fucking do better than that man.

[/quote]

1. you thought the wagon was going to build it didn't you didn't want to be criticized to long.
2. but you had voted the person straight after the post and it was directed at anyone on the wagon.
3. yes it is why you typed up a case because you never expressed nearly anything of value before being pushed.
4. No i'm town and your arguing because I forced you into that situation and making you show your true colours.

[Garmr]

with that logic*

[Garmr]

If your response to this wall are going to be as bad as your last wall just dont bother BTW.

I'm not going to respond to arguments that bad again.

So that ends here I think your counter points were horrible and irrelevant so we can let others decide.

[Garmr]

@mollie

It's fine I understand. I know my thought process's are radically different from most players on mafia scum but this allows me good reads on players that often sneak through the cracks but other players logic is harder to process. I think the player I have best chemistry with as town is Slandaar followed by ffery. I feel like my weakness is arguing a point and it frustrates me to no end as I feel like there's nothing I can really do as I have lost games where I couldn't push on the last scum member because no one takes me seriously. There's only one town game where a scum member hasn't been in my mid-late game.

[Garmr]

@wake will answer soon.

[Garmr]

Josh_B

Good evening, Josh.

In 290 you said that T S O was acting a little differently in this game, and you clarified in 605 that he usuallt starts his games a certain way. As someone who's out of the loop, I'm hoping you could fill me in on this and anything else that, from your experience, may help in determining his alignment. Perhaps

Titus

and

Garmr

could shed some light on this as well.

And as for being out of the loop, I don't really understand the wagon on TD. It would help me catch up faster if you gave me a very brief synopsis on what the issue surrounding TD is. And also in 605 you remark that Mollie mentioned you stood out, which is something I've heard from SG towards me in this very game, too. 652: I agree with you that we're likely in multiball.

Josh, I'd like to better understand why Garmr is Scum. I'm not that familiar with his play, and I'd like to have

Garmr

and

pirate mollie

weigh in one this, too. I'm a bit interested in your 708 about Scum having Daytalk. Equally, I'm curious about you 711 where you mention Lucky is likely Scum for his actions with Garmr and his wagon.

Lucky2u

's reaction to this as well as a more refined explanation on your part would be quite helpful, I think.

835 you say TD and Lucky is Scum, but you want mollie lynched moreso than them. I'm assuming you think she's Scummier than those two are. What slightly troubles me is that Lucky, upon inspection, only has two posts. It doesn't seem reasonable to assert he's Scum from such a minuscule amount of posts.

Nero Cain

, I'd like to hear your take on this, please.

All in all I'm not getting much of a read on you from these posts. Asking those questions and engaging players on certain issues does feel slightly Town in my book, because in general Townies are expected to do that. Too bad it's easy to emulate, too. I have a slight Town read on Josh_B, but it's subject to change pending new developments.

Mom

, if you would, I'd like to know if you agree or disagree with my current read on Josh_B.

So tbh I have only seen tso as town in any of our completed games and his done nothing out of place of what I expect of tso. Except I noticed his amount content improved since 6 months ago but I can chalk that down to improvement in his game.

Well if you want me to talk about my self I guess have a scum orientated mindset and I'm not afraid to admit that. It helps me catch things other people wouldn't notice yet I miss out on simple things others do. I think my pride is the night phase(town or scum) as I consider myself above average because when I actually get a night with meaningful actions I've always been praised for it (fakegod and archangel) I have also been praised for my scum game a couple of times through I have left a bitter taste in one game(selfvoting incorrectly(was an accident) then acting like town when I thought i was lynched. The mod declared there was no hammer and someone else got lynched winning the game for me.) I find town the hardest to play as but I'm trying to improve.

[Garmr]

so much hue so little time.

[Garmr]

or you can help mom sort josh.

I am not picky.

I'm up for sorting josh.

[Garmr]

or you can help mom sort josh.

I am not picky.

I'm up for sorting josh.

then push him.

With pleasure. Shows his ankle biting teeth.

[Garmr]

@Mollie take a deep breath do something you enjoy and comeback. This game seems to have you a little stressed. I know how that feels and if you need any support I'm here for you (in this game chat only.)

If it makes you happy I'm looking at josh b right this second.

[Garmr]

Post 290 isn't really anything special kinda null.

post 605 This post makes me shiver. Josh_B is just voting TD on bad logic and bad logic=doesn't scum. His saying igmeou tso for not starting out a certain way feels discredited by the fact he said

I'm not making it a definitive "he always does this as this allingment" meta thing

Just in case he wants to double back on what he said latter.

voted me, what even the fuck. VOTE: josh

What? did I agree with you? What did I agree on?

This post here is showing that josh isn't paying attention to the what td posted as td posted he didn't realize josh b was making fun of him.

Oh, I take it back, he's making fun of me, not agreeing with me, carry on. UNVOTE:

No Titus, he would have been agreeing with me that there is scum in tso/ff, pay attention.

Oh, good. I'm glad someone explained it to you. It doesn't really matter though on the grounds that this could be... multiball.
oops I said it. multiball

If there is anything that I learned from AuntJ in the previous Jason game, Marvel Avengers Alliance, there is a 98% chance of a game this size having not one, but two count them two scum teams. oh yea, and an SK, don't forget about the SK.

Assumes that TD didn't reread what josh said. Brings up multiball not really a scum sign on it's own. Trying to verify why his bringing up is a little suspicious.

Also I think Garmer is scum. Last game, scum had daytalk until the encryptor died. which wasn't very long.

Was I not supposed to mention multiball

Brings up the fact I saw a daytalk thing and then used to try and pin me as a encryptor.

@Josh/TSO not TD.

At the time of vote:
I think Tipaine used a very solid mylo scum tactic to accuse TSO/colorhex of being scum. Unfortunately it's D1 and barely not out of RVS. It's too early to be making those sort of associatives from a town mind set. Tiphaine tried to skip important parts of the game.
Further:
I also think scum have daychat , and she didn't figure out that I was making fun of her on her own, the vote hop was also scummy and showed that she didn't have any investment in her own case, her explaination that TSO/colorhex were voting similarly was weak and even weaker when she turned it into both of them might be scum.

Bit hypocritical here pushes the fact scum might have day chat because he doesn't think tip could figure out sarcasm on his own even if it took him time.

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

Partly because I misunderstood the whole qt slipping thing. I thought that you slipped about being in a qt. But why QT and not PT. Has jason still not switched over yet?

Lucky2you is probably scum. It seems like he thinks Garmer is scum, but he's more focused on the wagon ending.

Don't get this what's a PT

Josh here's a question for you if I get lynched or night killed and then I flip town. Do you think scum would still have day chat?

What? I misunderstood something because I didn't read it in context. I'm better now. I think.

Also I noticed he was pushing the fact scum have day talk by saying someone must of told td in private. I expected him to answer with no, not actually by dodging my question.

727-null

728-just trash talking someones else post

770-offtopic

800

I think "her" push on me is pretty terrible
Its singular and reads as faux scum hunting
her point that I should have moved my RVS vote to another RVS is lame, like really lame and makes like no sense
She's simultaneously pushing me for wanting to "pl" Wake yet agreeing with IAI that it was RVS and she misread it.
Selective Scumhunting

I think this is a reasonable OMGUS. But, did you know there's "someone" on your wagon calling you confscum while simultaneously saying that wake is being bussed by his scum partner?

It's... Pirate Mollie. I have some time now so I'm going to go back and try to respond to 761 From skimming it earlier, she seems to think that I'm scum because I made some posts. And then, I'm going to do a counter accusation.

Is it a town or a scum tell for piratemollie to FoS everyone that scum reads her scum reads, and make a lot of comments about how bad she sucks at this game? I'll give examples in the counter FoS, but if someone want to say, "yea that's Pirate Molie, that's what she does," I'm willing to hear it.

Brings up points against mollie but instead of pushing he looks like his waiting for instruction if he should vote or not.

835-does a huge post on mollie most of them are discredits and just votes her I will say this only post i would consider slightly townie through.

934-null telling us he needs to catch up.

[Garmr]

told you twie was scum mollie

[Garmr]

told you twie was scum mollie

shut up

fine btw

[Garmr]

I still think twie scum but mollie he has a point. No one listening to your case because It's not that good. It seems like he flaked and the slot will be replaced. Other players have done scummier shit whats the point in lynching someone who will be replaced.

[Garmr]

@dex

The original questions was why don't I think i was scummy how am i supposed to answer that with out talking about my self.

twie is scum from our argument but to be honest the way he treat mollie recently does have a slight town lean as i felt myself agreeing with him.

[Garmr]

Can we just lynch someone already?

we have 12 days to lynch someone there's no rush.

[Garmr]

Go read greek myths jiffy .

nordic myths are just as good

[Garmr]

YAWN.....

this game is starting to bore me.....

im half tempted to claim our power and see what happened but meh.

Can I smack you right now.

[Garmr]

YAWN.....

this game is starting to bore me.....

im half tempted to claim our power and see what happened but meh.

Can I smack you right now.

sure

I thought we were going to keep it private.

[Garmr]

YAWN.....

this game is starting to bore me.....

im half tempted to claim our power and see what happened but meh.

Can I smack you right now.

sure

I thought we were going to keep it private.

This is awkward for me...you are leaving me out. :'( I am part of this hydra too.

Dont worry, garmer can explain it to you in thread what hes talking about.

Our secret role.

[Garmr]

I'm trolling because I'm also bored.

[Garmr]

Going to be honest I thought mollie would have some sort of reaction IAI's presence.

[Garmr]

@JoshB
Just the more important things in your post.
1.Your more active than lucky so I am treating you differently, I would rather have lucky lynched than you
2 I'm not sure mollie fell to a weak town read but telling me to shut up she lost any support she'd get from in the future if she wasn't day vigged. It snapped me from having this idolized view of her and reminded me she is just human to.
3. 835 I say lol but I can see a towny mind set from that post.

How many people do you think are still playing the old style?

I probably play a sorta old style. I've been doing this pretty much daily since 2007.

I do loves me some good hardbussing. Much to Mollie's displeasure whenever we're on the same team.

Always remember to bus the weak. A light bus is better through.


@I have no creativity. Why didn't you day vig me I thought I was your scum read.

[Garmr]

In post 1100, Garmr wrote:Always remember to bus the weak. A light bus is better through.


Bus the strong and bus hard.

The more town thinks you couldn't possibly be ballsy enough to do it, the more likely it will work.

Well one things for sure the best advice is to look less scummy than the last guy.

[Garmr]

Oh, HI replaced Not the Mafia - y'know, the wagon mollie was pushing solely as a case of false identity.

It's literally not a legitimate place for votes, full stop.

Are you saying you are not the mafia?

HI= hostile intent that replaced not the mafia.

[Garmr]

I don't know whether to laugh or to cry at garmr taking my shut up post srsly.

Not Voting (5): inte, Wake88, RachMarie, Lucky2u, Yiley

^ this is a problem.

majiffy, add d3x to your town pile. I think ika and titus might be town too, they are in the loose town pile. mebbe tso.

okay I am working on my complete readslist since I am going to be dayvigged lolololololololol

Laugh then cry and then laugh again.

[Garmr]

Will be vla for a day becuase i'm going to a place with no net . Postive news got smash bros.

[Garmr]

God, you guys are boring as fuck.

I changed my mind mollie I want this slot dead.

[Garmr]

fuck it I'm down to lynch td even if there's a chance he may be town. Just cause he doesn't seem useful.

UNVOTE: TheWayItEnds (

VOTE: TiphaneDeath

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: TiphaineDeath

VOTE: FFAE00 FFED00

[Garmr]

fuck it I'm down to lynch td even if there's a chance he may be town. Just cause he doesn't seem useful.

UNVOTE: TheWayItEnds (

VOTE: TiphaneDeath

Ewwwwwwwwwwww.... I'll lynch town because town aren't "useful" and lack of definition as to why TD isn't useful... that smells like xmen to me.

He is a null read not a town read. ;/ Just noticed the ff wagon is going again I'm happier to join that one.

[Garmr]

For all we know flavor could have many different roles. For instance...

A role based on Titus could be a miller (try as hard as I may, I appear guilty as town), Godfather (No one ever suspects me as scum until it is too late, contributing to my town problems), n5 cop (because I usually have larges cracked by then). A role based on me would not likely be included, I just did it for reference purposes.

Any flavor can be anything. Flavor claiming is NOT claiming HI.

no Titus we argued about this so many times your not the godfather I am.

[Garmr]

I don't think we can apply basic logic to hostile intent seems troll.

[Garmr]

HI do you have another account called peacebringer.

[Garmr]

Fuck it. Let's see if this goes anywhere. That TSO response was terrible. Like caught for wrong reasons terrible.

VOTE: TSO

This is a fucking awful, awful, awful vote and I also want Titus dead now. Like, fucking dead and buried ASAP.

Have to agree with this and the fact she brought up that scum are bussing makes me think she is scum bussing another scum member with one of her past votes.

[Garmr]

I don't know if you guys missed it but he claimed a cop role.

[Garmr]

Through I don't believe his HI is a cop and he probably doing all this shit to gets peoples reactions and he seems quite confident he won't get lynched. HI What happens if we really have a cop and they are dumb enough to counterclaim you at this point?

[Garmr]

Apparently every single vote on me was a reaction test? Horseshit.

probably some dumb scum jumping onto it.

[Garmr]

I don't know if you guys missed it but he claimed a cop role.

BOOM.

Not a cop cop, though. Way more specific than that.

Not a seer, either. I seriously doubt my role is even necessary tbh.

I hope, if there's a cop cop that they don't mistake me for having ever claimed that because Ididnt. But again Ithink this role talk with such a chinsy weak wagon is incredibly anti-town, but apparently I'm confscum somehow so I'll just keep fuckin chillin bros.

the only cop role I can think of that's unused is vanilla cop but I doubt it's that.

[Garmr]

IHNC got it, I think.

Can we talk about something else, though? That'd be alright with me.

Yep sure what your opinion on nero cain for example.

[Garmr]

I'm the FBI Agent.

Nero, your result?

I don't think he is a lie detector -_-.

[Garmr]

My result says that Titus is an idiot.

[Garmr]

Titus sometimes I wonder :/ the post 1563 is neros way of saying he isn't lie detector.

[Garmr]

Do you have proof HI is the FBI agent. Rightnow, I see gambit bc you think I am stupid Nero.

How does it feel that Vezok and Garmr are smarter than you?

She'd be happy knowing that she's smarter than nero cain still.

[Garmr]

I am making it clear I have a town read on HI and I'm not going to vote him today.

[Garmr]

I also forgot to mention his rebuttals against the votes on him earlier looked like he was trying too hard to give a natural town knowing someone's wrong response.

Garmr, is it the claim? Please don't tell me it's the claim.

FFED00

Nah it's his guts I don't believe his claim it's probably bs and his following through because he knows he fucked up if admits to it now. It's fact he knows his drawing attention to himself and he put himself in a position where his lynch is informational. He could of coasted and avoided a lynch all together today but he didn't he drew fresh life to this game and caused controversy. I may be giving him to much credit but I think his just a vanilla townie that brought life to the game in the only way he knew how some sort of fucked slayer gambit.

[Garmr]

nero seems way too happy and I am uncomfortable with this.

Quickly someone think negative thoughts mollies melting. Happiness mollies one true weakness.

[Garmr]

Meh so far I do not have enough of Mollie to make a decision but she pushes me as both town and scum so yeah will need more to decide I usually town read her but last game we were in she turned out to be scum so a bit more skeptical now.

Jiffy NS and I are going insane atm, both of us having major dental work getting ready for the big move from California to Tennessee NEXT MONTH.

Auntie my favorite breakfast which has to be modified atm (I am having yogurt instead of the bacon) is:

Oatmeal with 2 oz unsweetened applesauce and a big dollop of cinnamon, spinach egg scramble with a bit of cheese, and a couple strips of BACON because BACON lol I was diagnosed as type 2 diabetic on July 1 this year. So I hope you have sugar free syrup for me. BTW I was trying to calculate the odds of you being scum 3 times in a row Granted each game is independent but that would totally be freaky.


The FFs please slow the heck down it makes it really hard to catch up acck though you are probs town only person I saw willing to spam it up this much as scum was in a game with Mollie, the game is escaping me atm brain is not working fully sigh. Mollie you remember that game and the dude who spammed like crazy and drove you nuts who was scum?

TSO is probs town the meltdown feels more towny to me than scum TSO who I have also played with. Dude seriously I do not get mislynched in EVERY game, though I am often low hanging fruit.

I have a bad habit of scum reading Pere I can find a linky in a recently ended game with him where Auntie was scum and I was the backup cop and instead of investigating HER I investigated Pere but at least my crumb saved the day and she got lynched over him but still... meh

more later this is really a mega wall

I should mention that I am compiling a rudimentary reads list for players to reference, as to better let them know what my stances are. As of this post, my reads are like such.
vezzy sweet.
Deathy was sour, now sweet?
Tussy, waffles.
Gammy sweet.
Mother sweet.
mollie, sweet.
Feo/Fiddy, sour.
Keithy, mild sour.
Enty sweet.
dexxy, sweet.
Endy, sweet.
Grinny, sweet.
Jiffy, sweet.
Joshy, sweet, but syrup on reserve.
Cougy, weakly sweet.
Rach, sweet.
Inny, sweet. (An addition from 619.)

This is an imperfect list. I do not have a read on TSO, Yiley, Incy (no creativity), inty, Wakey, or Lucky. The reads do not take into account strength for the most part. However, off of what I have viewed, this holds.

So much sweet not much sour there.

[Garmr]

garmr - unsure. his goading seems kind of townish tho but if a strong player flipped I would not rule out coaching.

Mollie When I'm scum I tend to take a leadership role on the scum team and organize the team. The only time someone ever took charge was when I was scum with thor in one of my games.

[Garmr]

@ktnx

2happy were my vote is because it's still building.

HI is town and Td is null but when it comes down to it I will vote Td.

[Garmr]

Greetings everyone.

Wow, 70 pages already.

This will take awhile to read, partly because I'm too tired to attempt it right now.

I will do my read through and have something significant to post tomorrow afternoon/evening
(For reference I'm writing this post at 7:20 pm my time)

That's fine just leave your vote on FF thanks.

[Garmr]

Lets try to get this ff lynch done because I really don't want to last secound lynch a High quality town read (HI) or a null read that I'm starting to like (Now that i'm not agitated at the staleness of the game.

So everyone vote FF

[Garmr]

Lets try to get this ff lynch done because I really don't want to last secound lynch a High quality town read (HI) or a null read that I'm starting to like (Now that i'm not agitated at the staleness of the game.

So everyone vote FF

How is HI a townread?

-_- you haven't read any of my posts have you titus.

[Garmr]

I want you to try making sense while you be the townbeard for HI.

Well 1612 has a good look into my thoughts on hi.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: Hostile Intent
VOTE: Tiphaine Death

Losing my patience with someone is "distancing" from that person? Am I not allowed to have emotions?

If FF flips scum might want to look into strangerdanger more.

[Garmr]

You know ff is lying. I will hammer if people get to scared to -I'll unvote then revote-

[Garmr]

VOTE: ffad00 ffae00

UNVOTE: FFAE00 FFED00

In other words you were scared they were telling the truth.

[Garmr]

waits for one more person to vote so he can hammer

some relaxing music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCAnj_7hJAg

[Garmr]

I make good on my promises I'll be up for 2-3 more hours.

[Garmr]

Josh are you town reading FF?

[Garmr]

well then your just pushing a no lynch then ;/

[Garmr]

So your saying FF is town and not scum?

[Garmr]

VOTE: FFAE00 FFED00

Yeh Td seems like a townie who just doesn't give a fuck anymore.

[Garmr]

Td thats not a hammer lol

[Garmr]

Oh your right i was getting confused.

[Garmr]

Back was partying will read up

[Garmr]

Did a quick catch up don't like house

VOTE: House

[Garmr]

I made a case so people could respond to it. Do not just ignore it.

I read your case Liked it and didn't like houses response to it so I grabbed your hips and danced that congo line.

[Garmr]

I made a case so people could respond to it. Do not just ignore it.

I read your case Liked it and didn't like houses response to it so I grabbed your hips and danced that congo line.

That you jumped on such a weak case tells me you are out for an easy target.

VOTE: Garmr

So why do you consider yourself a easy target?

[Garmr]

I made a case so people could respond to it. Do not just ignore it.

I read your case Liked it and didn't like houses response to it so I grabbed your hips and danced that congo line.

That you jumped on such a weak case tells me you are out for an easy target.

VOTE: Garmr

So why do you consider yourself a easy target?

I didn't say I did.

your obviously thinking it if your saying tso's case was weak and you couldn't even explain why.

[Garmr]

@house
Care to explain why he is wrong then?

[Garmr]

the sad moment you miss a post thats on the same page. I'm going to sleep.

[Garmr]

@House

I was hunting for connections between people and thought 2 people were in a qt and announced it to everyone what do you think of that?

[Garmr]

Hip hip hooray?

What I'd like to know is... were you right?

If you weren't, you should have kept it to yourself. If you were, depends on what kind of QT, I'd think.

Just kidding, of course. Any kind of information sharing is good, even if it is wrong. Others can potentially find something useful even in incorrect assumptions or mistaken logic.

Was mistaken logic earlier in day 1 but is nice to see that you can think critically I was asking to see if you were like Titus unable to see below the surface of things after reading the sarcastic posts I just wanted to clarify.

I can see you from a town perspective as well as null perspective at this point so for. I'm going to do a bit of analyses from day 1 then compare it to day 2 then come back with my thoughts.

UNVOTE: house

[Garmr]

Official Vote Count

FFAE00 FFED00

(13): Majiffy, I Am Innocent, Aunt Jemina, PeregrineV, Nero Cain, pirate mollie,

FFAE00 FFED00,

vezokpiraka,

RachMarie, Hostile Intent,

Garmr,

I have no creativity, TiphaineDeath

TiphaineDeath

(5): Mom, T S O, d3x, Kthxbye, StrangerCoug

Hostile Intent

(2): Titus, Josh_B

Not Voting

(5): inte, TheWayItEnds, Wake88, Lucky2u, Jackal711

With 25 alive, it took 13 to lynch.[/color]

So out of 25 players 8 votes and I highlighted the town players in green (I included myself because I know I'm town) If your town and on the wagon feel free to put yourself as green on your wagon analyses and if your scum put yourself in red.

Scum team prediction with a bit of night analysis.

Spoiler:

I assume that there is at least one scum On FFs wagon. and since we only had one kill last night that the scum team is 3 or more and the fact multi scum was brought up makes me think scum would range around the 3-4 mark. Also the fact a sk was brought into this and people seemed to either accept it straight away or push it was a fake claim was quite odd. So when I put two and two together using something nerocain taught me I would say the scum teams have 3 people and the chance of a Sk is still unknown. Also the night kill seemed safe vekoz was safe since everyone was town reading him and he wasn't very vocal thus not much information would be produced he was suspicious of a certain someone through

Let's get the elephant out of the room. The Player that worries me most on

Mollie of the pirate-sk tell

Spoiler:

After reading her Iso I can't help but be concerned. She has triggered the sk tell in another way she's not even aware of.

there are a lot more. I do it in nearly every game but not all of them. it is non-alignment indicative and certainly does not denote confusion.

I don't know what to do with titus. on a jerome scale of 1-10 I give her and ika a 15.

I like mom's push on nero but I am wondering why she is being so singular about it. her saving grace was her honestly trying to sort ff creatures with the garmr blowup; the confusion looked genuine.

if this is multi-ball then this is null.

d3x is so town.

I wanna put stranger kitty in there too but he is being so lateral. still a town read tho

kthnx needs to crawl out from under his shell.

if this turns out to be multi-ball a lot of these reads will change and when

I say multi-ball I mean multi scum teams not an sk.

my read on d3x WON'T you will have to pry it from my cold dead fingers and that will only happen if jason in a pm tells me he is from the zombieboard.

Hell the only one mentioning multiball day one was you and you were obsessed with it. I just noticed house noticed this but doesn't realize the extent mollies obsession for sk/other scum teams when she's scum. She realized obsessing over a sk would be a tell on her

@Mollie, I'll take confirmed indie over probable scum in FF. I think TD is just xmen redone so I'm not voting there. I'd rather reduce the body count. We can do quite well when dealing with only one faction or the other.

okay but when I am scum I am pretty wildy obsessed with sks, I am obsessed with indies simply cos I love playing indie and unlike 80% of this site prefer to work with them altho sks not being compatible on here changes things. I just don't think it is likely that HI will flip sk like I can't even absorb the reasoning here. the fakeclaims of fbi agents who have flipped grpscum not indie.

So she tries her hardest to not obsessed but she has to question

@ HI - what made you choose majiffy as an sk?

This show if mollies scum Hi is town and not connected to her. They can not be scum together. Plus the fact mollie was pushing for his lynch before the fbi incident.

And to finish it if she thought it was multiscum then why

~mollie's updated readslist ~

soooo hydra partners first:

majiffy - unsure cos he is not giving anything to feed me. I still more than likely lean town tho. mom will sort him out.
nero - I am liking nero. is this bad? I get where he is coming from and sometimes it has been disturbing from operating on a scumnero!track. he is deeply unsure. like really unsure.
garmr - unsure. his goading seems kind of townish tho but if a strong player flipped I would not rule out coaching.
ff creatures - who are these people where did they go

players who might as well be hydras:

d3x - town. like I do not even have to think twice about it.
kthnx -this has changed cos he got pretty invested with the mom argument. I think think town.
titus - she goes in that category cos we have f2f experience. xmen was a giant wake-up call. I think i am spotting some town glimmers. so light townread. <--- freaking unsure except her paranoia levels are high. lean town. that read is the same but she seems to be interested in lynching an indie rather than killing scum.
ika - where is beast in this hydra? I am not feeling him at all.

players that I am familiar with:

rach marie - unsure, the hostile intent vote made sense at the time but I did not like when I questioned her about it she was all like, "I see you got why I voted him!". lynchbait ugh.
strangerkitty - I am still ugh on strangerkitty. can I still say that?
perv - pretty sure he is past prod dodges now!
tso - I think is town? mebbe? I dunno he is slippery.
IaI - not givig up a thing other than pbpa. I lean scum.
wake - unsure. it is hard to tell cos I think he might have absorbed the feedback given him but I am not ready to put him in my town pile altho my earlier scumread on him if kthnx is town was pretty dumb but I will still stubbornly hold onto that tell.
lucky - is this person even playing the game
td - I wanna remark here that perv never got back to us on this

hhhhhhmmmm....

. read still stands. have at it. omg he is in the lynch lead, what shld a girl do? he sometimes reads as genuine. I am voting him so have at it.

players I have no experience with:

syrup thing - I am leaning town but I get the feeling she is crafty. won't lynch her.
mom - pretty sure I want to murder her! and no i am not scum or a vig so cross that off your list.
yiley - is there a replacement yet?
josh - mebbe bad town, he is a lurker and I think shld be exhumed.
hostile intent - meta read (and it is weak cos it is second hand info and I do NOT have a grasp of his understanding) mebbe town. that is why I am not voting him right now.
endz thing - he looks so town. and that is my weak spot cos he looks SO FREAKING TOWN. will probs get weird on him.

Is there only 3 scum on her reads list? If she's town and she keeps implying it's multiscum you would actually think she would have more scum reads than 3?

Mollie of the pirate arrgghhh-Scum Plunder

Spoiler:

Day One mollie is town reading me in post 151 and then town reading the ff hydra who both probably have no real life social life both being social outcast as town in post 194. But when it comes to me and FF fighting she stays out of it when all she had to say was yes I am garmrs friend and that would of been solved I see a town mollie doing that straight away while a scum Mollie would of been afraid of the implications.

Lets look at who mollie is scum reading day 1 as well are strange cougar,dex,Td,not the mafia,kthnx,josh.fff at the time she is voting I would consider them weaker players strange cougar a stronger but at early stages of the game that was hard to tell.

Other than that I can't see how so many people actually deserved the town reads she gave them the reasoning on most were weak and she throws doubt onto as many as she can so she can change them latter.

VOTE: Pirate Mollie

[Garmr]

I don't sk hunt when I am scum in the game thread I do it in my wb/qt/pt. and let my partners know who I think the sk is.

I find it interesting that garmr is trying to peg me as scum when titus is blatantly trying to lynch HI cos she thinks he is the sk. how bizarre.

I don't really give a fuck about this game there should have been prods issued out a long time ago and if the mod doesn't care than neither do I. the only reason I have a pulse in this game is cos of d3x and kthnx whom I think are both town.

like there is only so much stupidity I can handle before I just check out.

you guyz might as well lynch me cos more than likely I am going to replace out due to mod inactivity.

I noticed that titus thinks that to and your reply to her. Telling her your scum tell in an attempt to stop her from continuing it I think this was coaching.

[Garmr]

Can confirm. Mollie sk hunting isn't a scumtell though her "I don't sk hunt in thread as scum" is borderline trust tell so she'll eventually have to sk hunt to avoid that. But her giving up is kinda meh.

Wasn't awed by TSO's OC on House but I'm agreeing with him that Houses's vote looked opportunistic as does jackals vote.

Mollie admitted it was

Garmr stop reaching. I am not the type of scum people coach ever. You and House both jump on Mollie despite me wanting the sk dead.

I am scumhunting. I didn't sk hunt ftr. When the sk up and claims, you lynch it.

Mollie is town knock it off.

Nah it's not reaching it's the only case with facts. I am saying you need coaching because your pretty bad at scum because you treat mafia like it's a law case (still doesn't work for town but to a lesser extent) not that you need coach mollie. I remember hearing about a game where mollie and you were scum and was getting lynched and you were hardcore defending her and I remember how frustrated mollies voice was on skype after that game. Are you doing the same thing now?

@Titus-
@Garmr-

Hell the only one mentioning multiball day one was you

<mollie>

and you were obsessed with it.

This is super laughable considering Josh brought multiball into the equation ~30 posts before mollie and you quoted him on it when it happened and then again here when you call it Null.

--side note--

While searching for the extent of multiball infractions, I ran across this gem where Titus tries to pain FF as scummy by lying about their "recent" actions. I did a quick look back and FF was the leading Wagon at the time. Titus says that there had been "large resistance" against this leading Wagon. I was unable to find said resistance.

Going to be honest here didn't see joshs post about multiball i just typed multi in the search and the only name that popped up was really mollie. But my case isn't laugable like the case(lack of) you used to vote me this is a actual tell for Mollie.

The difference between josh B and mollie is josh thinks it's multiball in a reaction to me trying to hunt for connections between people when i qt huntedwhile mollie uses multiball to justify a read turning null(Mom) and hardcore believes it with out reason (pirate mollie was town reading me at the time when i was hunting qt) place. Also here's a tip since you seem the gullible type, when someones praising you as much as pirate mollie doesn't mean they are guaranteed town they can be scum buddying you for a read as well. Also the reason to your latter is titus is scum as well.

A couple of questions for all of
Question 0 why did mollie get obsessed with multiball as town.

Question 1 Why would town mollie be obsessed with multiscum then drop it day 2?

Question 2 If you think my case has no merit why did mollies response sound defeated and instead of addressing the issue if it's so easy to adress she says why aren't you looking at titus?

Question 3 Why were all mollies votes weaker players and when did she actually go for a hard push on someone who might be considered strong/active.

[Garmr]

Garmr stop reaching. I am not the type of scum people coach ever. You and House both jump on Mollie despite me wanting the sk dead.

I am scumhunting. I didn't sk hunt ftr. When the sk up and claims, you lynch it.

Mollie is town knock it off.

Okay, what is your case for Mollie being town?

how about you present a case on why you think I am scum?

you can't be bothered to read the game yet leap on the bs garmr is trying to push. garmr is a hydra partner who knows better than any1 how lazy I can get when the mod is lazy themselves. he is trying to make stupid associative tells that really have no place like they are not even remotely real and you are somehow buying this dumbshit????

he thinks I am coaching titus. that I am coaching titus into voting some1 for being an sk while supposedly highlighting multiball on d1.

the stupidity of this is pretty astounding.

when is the last time mom posted?

aj's reads are anemic.

^ these are the 2 players you need to watch.

but by all means continue being stupid I /accept your apology beforehand.

Also this posts contains ate, A saying watch these players but i'm not going to be bothered pushing them becuase they actually post content and also you when we had a hydra game the mod was in no way lazy and was creative and inventive to his game and what you said was you couldn't follow the path i drew because you couldn't understand the map. This is a total misrep here and your trying to make things appear a certain way I'm not allowing you to do that. Misrep number 2 I was saying you were coaching titus not to go sk hunting in thread but she ignored you and you didn't realize you were so obsessed with multiball.

[Garmr]

A couple of questions for all of
Question 0 why did mollie get obsessed with multiball as town.

Question 1 Why would town mollie be obsessed with multiscum then drop it day 2?

Question 2 If you think my case has no merit why did mollies response sound defeated and instead of addressing the issue if it's so easy to adress she says why aren't you looking at titus?

Question 3 Why were all mollies votes weaker players and when did she actually go for a hard push on someone who might be considered strong/active.

0: Because Setup spec

1: Setup Spec she thought was wrong

2: She wanted to know why you weren't looking at Titus. That one seems obvious

3: Weaker players in what way? How do you determine a strong and weak player? Also "weaker" players she probably thought she could rile up and get a reaction in which she could judge as town or scum.

0.To where would she get the idea for the set up spec with no info and only having 3 actual scum reads at most at a time
1.OK that's something but that's a town or scum thing
2.Yeh she could of done that and said something about my actual case in the same post but she didn't she waited till people started disagreeing.
3.Someone who wouldn't fight back and/or has low activty look at who shes voted now tell me do any of these look like people who would push a hard case that people would believe at the time she voted them?

[Garmr]

0: Game size. Many games of this size are multiball. It is something that must be brought up eventually.

1: Don't know how to reply here.

2: Maybe she thought your case was so dumb it didn't need to be responded to. I don't know since I am not her.

3: Everyone has their own reasons for not fighting back and someone can come out of nowhere with an awesome case or something and blow everyone's minds. I guess she did vote less active people though. Also, hard cases normally come with facts or very strong supported opinions. So any good case will be heard regardless of the activity of the person.

4: Why are you asking these questions?

0.Brought up is fine but to follow up and obsess over it day 1 isn't.

1.ok

2.but she did argue against it latter when people started defending her and even then her defense wasn't passable.

3.Ok i will agree with you on this

4.Two things. I was the strongest contributor to FF lynch who flipped and even through in my mind my reasoning are sound I want to put them to the test and to see if the people defending mollie are doing it for the sake of defending mollie or have a legitimate belief mollie is town

[Garmr]

@garmr

1. I am NOT the 1 who brought it up. josh was the first person and then there was discussion about it and then majiffy was like, "I am not feeling the schism that is often found in multiball" to d3x. <--- this all took place in this game. before I fucking even mentioned multiball. so you are being disngenuous as fuck right now.
2. I cannot believe you are honestly trying to push a "tell" on me when we have 1 completed game together and 1 hydra game that you bailed on cos got banned in the middle of it. so pretend that you know me better than some of the other people in the game. this is more disingenuous bullshit.

your case is shit. and you are

lying

. what I can't figure out is if it is intentional or not.

I am pissed right now not cos I am getting wagoned but cos we are probably looking at 3 or 4 more replacements who won't bother to read the game and probably do something dumb like house who is voting me cos he thinks I claimed fbi agent.

1. Type multi into the search engine you pop up first and josh doesn't.

2 Yeh and you pretend I should know better

you can't be bothered to read the game yet leap on the bs garmr is trying to push.

garmr is a hydra partner who knows better than any1 how lazy

I can get when the mod is lazy themselves. he is trying to make stupid associative tells that really have no place like they are not even remotely real and you are somehow buying this dumbshit????

Implies I have more knowledge than most. So why am I more knowledgeable in this situation but in the next post?

2. I cannot believe you are honestly trying to push a "tell" on me when we have 1 completed game together and 1 hydra game that you bailed on cos got banned in the middle of it. so pretend that you know me better than some of the other people in the game. this is more disingenuous bullshit.

Quite a change in tone here. I'm some one who wouldn't know shit, you try emotional manipulation painting me as a villain because now your trying to push scum reads on people who are pushing you (Josh B and now me you already killed vezok since he was harder to push as scum)

Let's just lynch this and sort things out tomorrow.

VOTE: pirate mollie

Sorry for the absence. My internet stopped working on the 12th and it took them two weeks to schedule a tech to come out and look at it.

I concur with this.

I am going to scumhunt off of my wagon like I am on steroids.

Pretty bold declaring your intention to scum hunt off your wagon shows a need to try and survive by focusing on those that are scum reading you.

Also more ate really mollie please stop using your charm to try and win over town instead of logic you sweet talker you :p.

[Garmr]

@Garmr- Well since we're apparently type-casting each other without any history or basis of fact, you seem like the kind of person to take things personally, blow them out of propotion, and fly off the handle irresponsibly.

Yeh mostly right. I only do this with people I have strong convictions and sometimes I won't do it at all If I'm only lightly scum reading people.

But my case isn't laugable like the case(lack of) you used to vote me

I didn't call your case laughable. I called the specific point that I quoted laughable. And it is. Yesterday, you engaged with Josh about something that you are now standing on as a behaviour unique to mollie. That's patently ridiculous.

But this is one of the couple of tells people told me to look for before this game started (wanted to get as much information on mollie as possible.)

re: my justification to Vote you early D2, I stand behind it. There was a lack of a case {thank you for so aptly pointing it out}, because there wasn't meant to be a case. It was pure PoE. I stand behind that Vote 100% as a good starting point for the Day.

Yeh If I wasn't so town I would be a good starting point. People have strong opinions about me my lynch would be a mislynch but informational.

josh thinks it's multiball in a reaction to me trying to hunt for connections between people when i qt hunted

The interesting thing about this is Josh's original posts about multiball have seemingly nothing to do with you. Specifically, he's talking about his meta experience with jT's previous large games and TD's reaction to his stance on the original TSO/FF speculation. Why do you think it has anything to do with you?

The fact it was brought up around the time I mentioned searching for another qt I got the assumption he assumed I was scum in a qt searching for quick topics and it would explain his vote on me

im still super behind here... Page 15 and wondering how Garmr didnt get lynched. I don't agree with the way that wagon ended. Also not liking the FFs, which is not a statement about wether I think they are scum or not, I just don't like them and I blame my having to catch up on so many pages on them.

Because this game is full of people who know and can see it's my town game.

Partly because I misunderstood the whole qt slipping thing. I thought that you slipped about being in a qt.

But why QT and not PT.

Has jason still not switched over yet?

Lucky2you is probably scum. It seems like he thinks Garmer is scum, but he's more focused on the wagon ending.

Also him saying the bolded section means he slipped with the fact isn't in a qt or pt which I assume makes him town

ftr- My Read on mollie has little to nothing to do with her Read on me, this is hardly my first rodeo, little buckaroo. I can maybe see how you'd think that due to the initial interaction between us, but think for a second. I poked her with the early "I'd be willing to run up mollie" statement and her reaction to that helped me develop my Read on her. Note that it took a couple of pages of direct interaction before I was no longer willing to see her strung up.

Ok just checking

Also the reason to your latter is titus is scum as well.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here. Maybe take a breath and try again.

q0- Others started the discussion and it pry made meta sense to her. It makes meta sense to me, but I don't really like wasting time discussing setup spec when there is no evidence for/against and we gain nothing by discussing it {at this juncture}.
q1- Maybe because there was only one NK? Also, I feel you're reaching a bit by calling her "obsessed" here and elsewhere.
q2- I disagree with your assessment of her response.
q3- I don't view SC as a "weak" player. I don't view myself as a "weak" player. I don't view Kthx as a "weak" player.

Q0-ok
Q1-I don't think calling her obsessed day 1 is a big of a stretch
Q2- Ok i disagree with your disagreement :p
Q3-Thats why she hopped off him when he started showing his strong. I view Kthx as a weak player due to the lack of reasoning on votes and sheepy nature either way if his town his lack of opinions get him caught up in other players flow and will probably be pushed by town scum would probably enjoy having him here and if his scum he will get lynched eventually late in the game.(You can tell i'm null on him)

[Garmr]

Well. It looks like the Molliescum is finally getting some real discussion. Let me get my shit together and present a PbPa. Hopefully, I'll get some solid responses and then I won't feel the need to tunnel this shit for the whole rest of the game.

The Garmr point is that she is SK hunting? There's a few responses that I'd like to get to, but that can come in time.

No the point is she was hunting for other scum factions but when the possibility of a sk was opened up her behavior changed and she took a more hands off approach. I Would think that she would act the same in both situations. But as she said she was aware of her sk tell.

[Garmr]

1. Type multi into the search engine you pop up first and josh doesn't.

so this post did not come up?:

Type it yourself the word multi yours is the first word that comes up alluring to multi scum. the only other multi that pops up before it is multitasking which is in mine and pere posts.

I'm getting a feeling of "I'm right and you're wrong" from some of the recent posters that is really exasperating me. Majiffy is right; this game feels dead in the water.

This is the stalling I usually get multiball vibes from.

^ cos there is this word "multiball" that your sophisticated word search skills somehow missed. mebbe the problem is how you are searching out the term and not that I am the only 1 mentioning multiball. so you are being very disingenuous.

You are not the only one worth mentioning but your the one I'm focusing on at the momment. I made a mistake about who mentioned it first doesn't disolve my whole case

2 Yeh and you pretend I should know better

context wise this does not even make sense.

context wise your portraying me as two different things close and distant your not making sense.

Implies I have more knowledge than most. So why am I more knowledgeable in this situation but in the next post?

yes you have knowledge that I can lazy in gmaes if I am dealing with overwhelming stupidity or I don't have chemistry with the playerlist.

Not really I have knowledge of your skype games not your forums games.

Quite a change in tone here. I'm some one who wouldn't know shit, you try emotional manipulation painting me as a villain because now your trying to push scum reads on people who are pushing you (Josh B and now me you already killed vezok since he was harder to push as scum)

I am not scum reading you I just think you are really this stupid.

you know 1 aspect of my townplay. cos we were a hydra and we were both town. you don't know my scumgame cos we have never played a game where I was scum. so no, you have zero meta-knowledge of my scumgame. also vezo never read me as scum he knows that I will be sorted through night actions if I am eventually am and I had him as strong town.

@garmr

1. I am NOT the 1 who brought it up. josh was the first person and then there was discussion about it and then majiffy was like, "I am not feeling the schism that is often found in multiball" to d3x. <--- this all took place in this game. before I fucking even mentioned multiball. so you are being disngenuous as fuck right now.
2. I cannot believe you are honestly trying to push a "tell" on me when we have 1 completed game together and 1 hydra game that you bailed on cos got banned in the middle of it. so pretend that you know me better than some of the other people in the game. this is more disingenuous bullshit.

your case is shit. and you are

lying

. what I can't figure out is if it is intentional or not.

I am pissed right now not cos I am getting wagoned but cos we are probably looking at 3 or 4 more replacements who won't bother to read the game and probably do something dumb like house who is voting me cos he thinks I claimed fbi agent.

I got the impression you were scum reading me from here calling me a liar and disingenuous. There's no need to call me that if you think I'm town. Beside honesty is the best policy for town and scum unless it comes to claiming your role.

Pretty bold declaring your intention to scum hunt off your wagon shows a need to try and survive by focusing on those that are scum reading you.

Also more ate really mollie please stop using your charm to try and win over town instead of logic you sweet talker you :p.

holy jesus mother mary of christ do you even know what "scumhunt off my wagon" even fucking means? it is the opposite of survivalism. it means that I am going to leave a trail for town when I flip town.

and are you really coming at me with an aTe case after your play on d1? are you really a worthless piece of hypocritical shit or are you really this dumb or are you scum? I am leaning a combination of the first 2 since arguments that are this bad usually comes from town.

I personally do not care if I am lynched or not. I am rarely mislynched in games but your stupidity, the massive amounts of lurking/not playing makes the game unenjoyable. if you are scum then you have done an outstanding job of looking like a VI and getting townread for it.

I am ignoring you from here on out.

Calm down there no need for insults we are both adult here. I wouldn't consider myself a vi as there's only one game in my whole mafia career as town (by mself two if i add the hydra with you) were I haven't nailed at least one scum in my list and that's because I pretty much gave up day 2 and in about 25 percent of my town games I'm killed night one by scum. I will accept you make a point about this bit and I was wrong about wanting to survive being the only option it is one.

Mollie

Are you aware that you have been painting me as a villain or in your last post stupid but always labellings yourself as a victim. This is what i'm calling ate. Read it from a neutral perspective because your not right now and you can maybe see what I am seeing.

To help

Spoiler:

you can't be bothered to read the game yet leap on the bs garmr is trying to push. garmr is a hydra partner who knows better than any1 how lazy I can get when the mod is lazy themselves. he is trying to make stupid associative tells that really have no place like they are not even remotely real and you are somehow buying this dumbshit????

Painting yourself like a victim here

@garmr

1. I am NOT the 1 who brought it up. josh was the first person and then there was discussion about it and then majiffy was like, "I am not feeling the schism that is often found in multiball" to d3x. <--- this all took place in this game. before I fucking even mentioned multiball. so you are being disngenuous as fuck right now.

2. I cannot believe you are honestly trying to push a "tell" on me when we have 1 completed game together and 1 hydra game that you bailed on cos got banned in the middle of it. so pretend that you know me better than some of the other people in the game. this is more disingenuous bullshit.

your case is shit. and you are

lying

. what I can't figure out is if it is intentional or not.

I am pissed right now not cos I am getting wagoned but cos we are probably looking at 3 or 4 more replacements who won't bother to read the game and probably do something dumb like house who is voting me cos he thinks I claimed fbi agent.

Painting me as a villain and you as a victim from past events not really to relevant to this game in this amount of detail

[Garmr]

Look I'm sorry to make you upset mollie but I'm actually scum reading you and I didn't mean anything in a personal way.

[Garmr]

@Everyone Nothing i say should be taken in a personal way I noticed I appear a bit of dick sometimes. Except when it's said about FF he/she/genderless/they can take it personal

[Garmr]

He claims FBI because it is the best fakeclaim available.

No.

It.

Is.

Fucking.

Not.

I agree with TWIE here. Seriously Since I when I hear about claiming fbi agent the response I get is that's scummy as shit. Remember when people used to claim miller all the time then people caught on and then miller claims died down well fbi agent is like like that. Plus doing it first day is retarded for scum he wouldn't of been in any danger at all if he claimed it.

[Garmr]

didn't claim it typo

[Garmr]

I do apologize yet again for my absence; I was not aware such great time had passed since my last post. Thus, I assure you, I will in fact be able to catch up...simply not this Friday, as this old lady does partake in festivities. I will get caught up this Saturday, I assure you.

Back from my business trip late Wednesday. Should be caught up this weekend.

I love these 2 players but this is what is wrong with this game.

Look I'm sorry to make you upset mollie but I'm actually scum reading you and I didn't mean anything in a personal way.

you are scumreading me cos you are a dummy who decided that word searching "multi" was more valuable than searching "multiball" in the game thread. like you fucking need to pause here.

like I just showed you a quote from majiffy that you apparently missed from your sooper dooper sleuthing skills and d3x pointed out a post from josh that you apparently missed there is a huge chunk of discussion you are missing probably cos you were too busy aTe-ing around cos you were strung up.

^ this is why I think you are a hypocrite.

skype mafia does not = forum mafia.

you are the second thing that is wrong with this game.

I think the attitude your taking about things is whats wrong not this game. Seriously even through we have had a lot of lurkers it's not the mods fault that happened and sometimes real life stuff happens and getting replacements for large games with a lot of pages is harder than minis.

Mollie people will scum read you it's part of the game. If me making a mistake in searching is whats wrong with the game I am sorry for being human. Also I am not ate the only thing I consider close to a ate would be the incident with ff because he was being a dick.

You know you actually made me feel guilty before because I thought i was being to harsh but now I really don't care mollie. If portraying another person as dumb, using emotional blackmail is all your going to do I really just don't care.

Also I haven't missed out on any of the discussion on day 2 I don't think josh B or HI is scum which seems to be a opinion of a couple. I would agree with a house lynch through as I feel he may be scum.

Btw the only one ateing day 2 is you I'd rather forgot my ate day 1 with ff even through it wasn't intentional it's not something I'm proud of.

[Garmr]

Mollie, the third thing is the sk is getting away with it most likely.

Titus who are your scum reads that aren't sk.

[Garmr]

TWIE, Garmr, TSO.

I think one reason is because I disagree with you about hi being a serial killer but do you have any other reasons for me being scum. I been hearing me been called scum a bit yet no one except Dex has actually put a vote on me.

[Garmr]

Going to bring up a titus thing. I know that Titus can get defensive with little over her scum buddies and if mollie or titus flip scum I would look into the other.

Tso is still town his belief in house being scum appears genuine.

Did no one see the town slip I pointed about josh B

I agree that dex is town.

[Garmr]

TWIE, Garmr, TSO.

I think one reason is because I disagree with you about hi being a serial killer but do you have any other reasons for me being scum. I been hearing me been called scum a bit yet no one except Dex has actually put a vote on me.

Your pathetic reason on Mollie coaching me is another. Plus there is your general misrep. You got a lot of votes yesterday.

I am keeping my vote in the place to reduce KPN.

Talking about misreps
Alot of votes lol

Yiley-a rvs
the way it ends
and I have no creativity
FFAE00 FFED00
So a grand total of 3 votes that weren't rvs in over 60 pages and not all at once.

You caught me titus I was the mother flipping counter wagon all day long.

[Garmr]

I mean God, if he had simply asked me to read HI's ISO instead of jump all in my shit over faulty assumptions, all that drama could have been avoided.

If he's town, he's terribad.

P-Edit: Okay.

You sheeped my case on mollie brahIf your saying i'm terribad what does that make you.

[Garmr]

Ok wise girl what were the other people who voted me

[Garmr]

I mean God, if he had simply asked me to read HI's ISO instead of jump all in my shit over faulty assumptions, all that drama could have been avoided.

If he's town, he's terribad.

P-Edit: Okay.

You sheeped my case on mollie brahIf your saying i'm terribad what does that make you.

Inexperienced. I never claimed to be Einstein.

You weren't being a dick, and you at least made sense.

Wtf is a brahlf, Mr. Awesome?

Sorry i'm just getting sick of some of the people with damsel of distress complexes

[Garmr]

I mean God, if he had simply asked me to read HI's ISO instead of jump all in my shit over faulty assumptions, all that drama could have been avoided.

If he's town, he's terribad.

P-Edit: Okay.

You sheeped my case on mollie brahIf your saying i'm terribad what does that make you.

Inexperienced. I never claimed to be Einstein.

You weren't being a dick, and you at least made sense.

Wtf is a brahlf, Mr. Awesome?

so garmr made sense when it has been demonstrated that he does NOT know how to use the search function? and has been proven wrong?

VOTE: house

eta: so were you calling garmr terribad yes or no

I had other fucking points in my case as well or you just ignoring those wow and Love the fact you couldn't find someone else that voted me day 1 other than those I listed.

[Garmr]

Wow, you are incredibly petty.

Reach moar, that dumb shit isn't worth my time.

so it is petty to point out that the player you think makes the most sense in this game doesn't know how to use a search function and that you (stupidly believed) that I claimed fbi agent?

mebbe some day I can grow to be ans awsum mafia player like you! \o/ <---- now see this is petty. you seem to be confused so I thought I would help you out!

Molly your clogging the thread with this stuff at least I have been expressing my opinions about different players You are making it hard for the lurker and replacements to catch up.

[Garmr]

Wow, you are incredibly petty.

Reach moar, that dumb shit isn't worth my time.

so it is petty to point out that the player you think makes the most sense in this game doesn't know how to use a search function and that you (stupidly believed) that I claimed fbi agent?

mebbe some day I can grow to be ans awsum mafia player like you! \o/ <---- now see this is petty. you seem to be confused so I thought I would help you out!

Molly your clogging the thread with this stuff at least I have been expressing my opinions about different players You are making it hard for the lurker and replacements to catch up.

my god you are so right it is almost like I am not reinforcing my case on house whom I am voting for!

GET THE FUCK OUT WITH YOUR BULLSHIT

How is that reinforcing your case it looks more like throwing shit.


Everything your accusing me of you have done in the last couple of pages. I have tried to be civil about it at first. But your acting like a big child.

You are the one who made things like this. You could of acted like a adult and calmed down when I gave you the chance with my apology that was my attempt to get things back on track but no you were petty and started flailing emotionally. Grow up

[Garmr]

quick note-
Twie is on my town list his been thinking logically the whole day 2 and reading back I can see how he see's how reacted could be town. Being wrong (about me) doesn't automatically make him scum even the best of town get it wrong sometimes of the time.

[Garmr]

I don't understand how people can get a read on rachmarie. In Iso she seems pretty null not really doing much at all being busy. So when aunt J town reads her and pirate mollie scum reads (early game she's gone null now and refer to rach as lynchbait) her I get confused. Dr cirno rach is town was wierd and a bit unsettling. I also noticed Josh B also read her as town.

so yeh ;/

[Garmr]

@Mollie

my primary case was that you acted different when searching for multiscum(more hyped getting in there) and for sk(more laid off approach). You bringing multiscum up which was wrong was only a point in my case not the whole case itself like your making it out to be. Also I'm not throwing misrep after misrep.

1-You accused me of many things

2-being stupid for not looking back(you didn't realize house unvoted you, and you said i missed the unvotes when I actually listed them all and went out your way to try and be insulting about it.)

3-being hypocritical(above points show that)

4-misrepping(you said i was saying that you were trying to coach titus to vote the sk, I said you were trying to get titus to get off the sk)

5-ate(...)

6-not reading back and missing out on things becuase i'm ate(you missed house unvote)

So can you explain what made you feel you need to hunt for multi scum earlier but not a sk when that was brought up?

[Garmr]

@Mollie

my primary case was that you acted different when searching for multiscum(more hyped getting in there) and for sk(more laid off approach). You bringing multiscum up which was wrong was only a point in my case not the whole case itself like your making it out to be. Also I'm not throwing misrep after misrep.

1-You accused me of many things

2-being stupid for not looking back(you didn't realize house unvoted you, and you said i missed the unvotes when I actually listed them all and went out your way to try and be insulting about it.)

3-being hypocritical(above points show that)

4-misrepping(you said i was saying that you were trying to coach titus to vote the sk, I said you were trying to get titus to get off the sk)

5-ate(...)

6-not reading back and missing out on things becuase i'm ate(you missed house unvote)

So can you explain what made you feel you need to hunt for multi scum earlier but not a sk when that was brought up?

I wasn't hunting for multiscum. <----- misrep number 1001.

I

always

question whether or not larges are multi-ball. josh brought it up and what majiffy said interested me

since he is the 1 who I got to start approaching larges like this in the first place

even tho he pointed out to me that larges were a fond fad of mod's these days.

Yes but you mentioned it multiple times through day 1 begging to end.

I looked back on your post where you tried to posit that I nked vezo cos...I couldn't push a lynch on him. while I was town reading him. oftentimes when some1 tries to point a nk in the direction of another player it is cos they themselves made the nk or their team.

Misrep here I was implying you couldn't vote vezo cos he was to town to push and it would look wrong since there was nothing you could of said. I was saying that it was your choice to kill him to piss him off.

if you are scum then you shouldn't be proud of your sledging. if you are town then I am chalking it up you being in stupid this game and learn from it. I will explain

why

I think you are capable of this level of stupidity from the dead qt cos I hope to god I am not alive for much longer.

ok i still think I'm right and not stupid.

some people don't like multiball or indies discussion but I do. for

me

to understand the gamestate globally and not pick up on false positives. idrc if I said anything about there being multiscum factions in this day round since there was only 1 nk. I think it is

reasonable

to assume that there is an sk but do you think they are a threat at this point? I don't think so cos either they skipped their nk or they got blocked OR a town blocker/doc protect interfered with scum's nk and vezo was the sk target. I doubt the latter

cos vezo smelled like a special with his exchanges with aj lol, he flipped vt I bet scum didn't see that coming.

I think we should treat sk as another member of a scum team exactly the same. I don't like multiball but I do like indies (like sk and survivor god i love survivor.) But what intrigues me about this post is

You thought vezo was special and likely a role in your mind day 1.

[Garmr]

I looked back on your post where you tried to posit that I nked vezo cos...I couldn't push a lynch on him. while I was town reading him. oftentimes when some1 tries to point a nk in the direction of another player it is cos they themselves made the nk or their team.


Misrep here I was implying you couldn't vote vezo cos he was to town to push and it would look wrong since there was nothing you could of said. I was saying that it was your choice to kill him to piss him off.

I meant piss you off

[Garmr]

@Titus

Just noticed something you keep referring H.I

as the sk

not scum.

The first thing that crossed my mind when considering the claim was "is he mafia fake claiming or sk" Town would be unsure of this. But you seem pretty god damn certain his a SK. Not one little post saying he could be 2nd party scum. Just a third party SK.

[Garmr]

@Titus

Just noticed something you keep referring H.I

as the sk

not scum.

The first thing that crossed my mind when considering the claim was "is he mafia fake claiming or sk" Town would be unsure of this. But you seem pretty god damn certain his a SK. Not one little post saying he could be 2nd party scum. Just a third party SK.

Why does this strike you as unusual? HI is my SK read as well and I have little to no reason to believe he's Mafia.

there's 3 things that could happen here



If Hi is town then a shot got blocked or sks not killing to frame him plus he claimed day 1 that would make him suspect if there's no sk kills by day 3 (I put a personal timer on it ever since the fitz incident in mafia in space). Plus he had no reason to claim d1 at all.

If Hi is sk then he would want to shoot to prove there's a sk in the game and it was blocked by a doctor.

If hi mafia and there's one night kill could mean a shot was blocked by a dr role or role blocker, He may bullet proof in some way and the real sk shot him last night and that's how he figured there would be another killer faction or sk or the sks not shooting because his afraid of showing evidence that there's a real sk in the game.

[Garmr]

So out of all the people defending mollie I have no creativity and Dex offer reasons,show thought process and are actually show why they think mollies town I even agree on some points (not that she's town but looking back some of the scum tells were null). But the people who jumped in and offered nothing other than saying mollie is town are titus and stranger cougar with out offering anything to back it up.

I'm starting to notice a trend and titus doing scummy stuff.

So my town reads in no order are
Tso
Josh B
ihnc
twie
Dex
Garmr(:P)

Also I'm starting to have doubt about the mollie thing I think i might of jumped the shark. But the reactions got from other people were interesting and that's the only positive thing I can take from this.

Potential Scum are -
titus
Strangecougar
house
ktnxbye

In their own categories
HI (I want to give him to day 3 maybe 4 due to the incident with fitz. His day 1 seemed town but his day 2 is quite bad and lazy.)

Mollie. (what i said above and the fact even through i said she went after weaker targets there's a few I agree on now I'm not carried away anymore still I want to know why she thought vekoz was special like which post made her think that..)

Pine(other than feeling IHNC is scum and agreeing with me on the sk scenario I don't know his perception of the game and I feel like he could be interesting through once he gets talking just a gut feeling.)