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[MafiaSSK]

/confirm

[MafiaSSK]

Can I kiss up to the mod for replacing out of her last game by claiming slenderman?

Hey, now. I am the Slenderman.

[MafiaSSK]

Actually no, I'm not ready to declare orci town yet.

I forget sometimes how good he is.

hence the "I think".

You're right he's good, but his bpc push looks very townminded to me. The only time I've ever seen scum-him do something that strongly town in the very-early game, it was multiball.

BPC "push"? Really, ffery? It was only two posts.

[MafiaSSK]

Flubber's town.
Varsoon reminds me of Hip Hop Mafia Varsoon. I dunno what to think about that.
Notsci is pissing me off. VOTE: Notscience

Pedit: lol

[MafiaSSK]

Really. It's about the observations, not the number of posts.

So maybe it's coming down to more of a matter of semantics, but the impact that actually comes from a push is larger. If say, BPC had put in a few posts about orci or maybe if his original vote on orci contained any trace of explicit reasoning, then I might agree. But meh. It's not like it was that convincing. Orci didn't react. Meh.

[MafiaSSK]

Choo choo

I know, right? Self vote wagons are just spectacular aren't they? They just let you focus on anything you want, right?

[MafiaSSK]

Really. It's about the observations, not the number of posts.

So maybe it's coming down to more of a matter of semantics, but the impact that actually comes from a push is larger. If say, BPC had put in a few posts about orci or maybe if his original vote on orci contained any trace of explicit reasoning, then I might agree. But meh. It's not like it was that convincing. Orci didn't react. Meh.

What are you even talking about? BPC hasn't voted orci.

Awko. I switched the two names. Point still applies.

[MafiaSSK]

I prefer wagons on someone who has claimed scum tbh

Yeah, but you have literally done nothing. But even ignoring that, first tell me, in your opinion, why he did claim scum? And two, why would he bring it to attention that the way he claimed was in fact bad? Why admit that?

[MafiaSSK]

Because last time he did that no one believed him and he enjoys testing his boundaries

And it makes everyone else look stupid for not pointing it out so they then will feel ask about voting him which is exactly what he wants

Ah, so WIFOM. Good logic there. I'm just going to go with basic logic though so...

[MafiaSSK]

This entire convo is confusing me. Your point has very little to do with my orci-read.

I'll take down the quote pyramid and rephrase then. I feel like it wasn't a real push and that you're overreaching a townread.

[MafiaSSK]

Actually no, I'm not ready to declare orci town yet.

I forget sometimes how good he is.

hence the "I think".

You're right he's good, but his bpc push looks very townminded to me. The only time I've ever seen scum-him do something that strongly town in the very-early game, it was multiball.

this makes me feel very uncomfortable but then again that's how i always feel when you drop a townread on me after like two posts

idk what i'm going to do with you fery

ssk why are you even bothering notsci is vigbait/policy lynch. tell me about varsoon walking into a neighborhood and calling ppl "assholes"

What do you think of ffery overall though?

Why should we care about policy lynches? Can't we just forget about that bullshit? Each game is a new game, players can play their own new way.

[MafiaSSK]

Wifom is scums greatest ally

Pedit

Bpc we were both in slappykrews game

Or you know wifom is super dumb because people who are actually smart won't care about it. Yay.

[MafiaSSK]

Wifom is scums greatest ally

Pedit

Bpc we were both in slappykrews game

Or you know wifom is super dumb because people who are actually smart won't care about it. Yay.

But also this is just silly theory debate and you still haven't done anything. Do something. Make an SSK happy.

[MafiaSSK]

This entire convo is confusing me. Your point has very little to do with my orci-read.

I'll take down the quote pyramid and rephrase then. I feel like it wasn't a real push and that you're overreaching a townread.

Not a real push? I disagree. It was clear air in a game that's been murked up by varsoon's whatever the fuck that is, and notsci's trolling.

That's fair. Cool, cool.

[MafiaSSK]

Why should we care about policy lynches? Can't we just forget about that bullshit? Each game is a new game, players can play their own new way.

we agree but you are not seeing what i'm saying

1) notsci is a useless fuck
2) why vote notsci at the start of day 1? it's not going to draw any discussion because 1)
3) wait until day 2 to see if town has a vig. ignore notsci for time being because we don't want to waste a lynch

Yeah but I don't have a better idea of who scum is and notsci is being an idiot. So there is where my vote shall lie.

[MafiaSSK]

That's why I can use it freely

Pedit

Nah

I'm too busy coasting

You go coast. Have fun.

[MafiaSSK]

Also I'm pretty sure I'm going to cheat and make orc sort ffery and vice versa.

Great idea. But I'm curious what your opinion is without their input?

[MafiaSSK]

Yeah but I don't have a better idea of who scum is and notsci is being an idiot. So there is where my vote shall lie.

ok...?

i mean if you're uninterested in trying to find scum, which by the way is hte point of the game, i guess you can Shall Lie Thou Vote on inert garbage?

i assume you missed my question at the bottom of 197

I am trying yo. And yeah though totally missed the question.
Varsoon calling people assholes is surprising? Even if it is, I really don't see it as alignment indicative. I have no idea how it is. Why do you think it is?

[MafiaSSK]

what makes more sense, ssk

1) varsoon walks into a neighborhood, starts off with a big laugh, calling his fellow neighbors assholes
2) varsoon walks into a scum qt, starts off with a big laugh, calling his fellow scumfucks assholes

literally either. I just don't get why scum= especially scummy. You know? Or could you explain it to me, maybe?

[MafiaSSK]

I've said that his actions are more likely to be scummy before. There's not way we're ever gonna be able to look past the slip and is pretty much the obvious vote for today, but I don't want a big wagon right away to see some quick lynch. Like it's just obvious so it's boring, I'm not interested in the biggest thing, but I'm also bad at focusing on little things

so exactly are you doing right now aside from trying desperately to avoid voicing an opinion i'm curious

Pedit:
it makes more sense to me for varsoon to call scumbuddies "assholes" and to laugh diabolically than scenario number 1 idk i think this is pretty straightforward why aren't you agreeing with me

idk. Yeah. That laugh. Ugh but his behavior just reminds me so much of how reacted in Hip Hop Mafia and and I dunno.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm interested in hearing more from Ssk's concerns of Orci because I feel as though Orci's been making his Bpc concerns explicit since he startd voting for him.The Notty vote feels like a lazy distraction from things related to Varsoon. On that note, I couldn't care less about what happens to Notty's slot. It's a poor distraction from the Varsoon wagon and if he's town he needs to knock that shit off. I'd policy lynch him if I had to.

It wasn't so much a concern of Orci. Well sort of, but I feel Orci's been town otherwise and it was really just me questioning ffery's reads.
My vote on notsci was telling him to actually play.

[MafiaSSK]

VOTE: mara

This post is making me keep my vote on NS. While I agree that Mara might be scummy, this vote though...

[MafiaSSK]

Notscience, do you have any other actual solid reads?

[MafiaSSK]

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

[MafiaSSK]

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

More so for you than me. VOTE: Orci

[MafiaSSK]

Maybe when you're willing to give reads on every player here.

[MafiaSSK]

Why do you think discussing a unfinished read on a very good player who has the ability to adapt to my current state of reading him is in any way a good idea?

Because it's a game of Mafia and you doing this for just this one players is super condescending to basically everyone else. Everyone should be able to adapt. Oh wait, they do though. And then people call them out on it, because it's a game of Mafia.

[MafiaSSK]

Lazy is how id describe ssk this game

There has literally been what, like less than a week of actual real life days of the game? Give me a break.

[MafiaSSK]

Saki, go read the rest of the game, because what you're choosing to seize on right now is a waste of the time and energy of everyone involved.

why

[MafiaSSK]

unfortunately I don't like discussing my Cabd read in front of Cabd

Yeah, no. That's not how this game works, orci. You don't just get to opt out of reading a player because you don't like to publically state it.

VOTE: MafiaSSK

Hi, STD. What's up? We haven't really talked since the beginning of Oldy. Why the vote?

[MafiaSSK]

Honestly, a lot of my problems from a lot of the players come from a lot of inactivity, ironically.

But even still, the ones that I most suspect would probably fall somewhere in flubber, orci, smp, and ceph. Pretty weak, but I can point out specific posts that have pinged me if you want.

Shh. Quet Ceph. I was getting to it.

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SSK, I legit just asked you what you thought of anyone. Please don't ignore me.

The structure of this game makes it very easy and even correct to do what orc was doing when called for. I think it is entirely reasonable and not very important. He is discussing it in the neighborhood and will presumably continue to do so, so I am uncertain what the problem is. I assure you there is a thought process occurring.

My problem is that is only occuring in the neighborhood, out of my sight and I am the only one who I can trust. I want to see the progress of how orci views Cabd and I want to see the reasons why. You know? Or does this not make sense to you?

[MafiaSSK]

But even still, the ones that I most suspect would probably fall somewhere in flubber, orci, smp, and ceph. Pretty weak, but I can point out specific posts that have pinged me if you want.

Please do.

If you think I could be scum, it seems like that's something important you should be voicing.

Perhaps it's been something I've done in a neighborhood.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, I legit just asked you what you thought of anyone. Please don't ignore me.

The structure of this game makes it very easy and even correct to do what orc was doing when called for. I think it is entirely reasonable and not very important. He is discussing it in the neighborhood and will presumably continue to do so, so I am uncertain what the problem is. I assure you there is a thought process occurring.

My problem is that is only occuring in the neighborhood, out of my sight and I am the only one who I can trust. I want to see the progress of how orci views Cabd and I want to see the reasons why. You know? Or does this not make sense to you?

Why is your focus so exclusively orci?

Because orci's been pissing me off a lot. I dunno.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, I legit just asked you what you thought of anyone. Please don't ignore me.

The structure of this game makes it very easy and even correct to do what orc was doing when called for. I think it is entirely reasonable and not very important. He is discussing it in the neighborhood and will presumably continue to do so, so I am uncertain what the problem is. I assure you there is a thought process occurring.

My problem is that is only occuring in the neighborhood, out of my sight and I am the only one who I can trust. I want to see the progress of how orci views Cabd and I want to see the reasons why. You know? Or does this not make sense to you?

I'm sure you will get to see it eventually, though. He did say he would talk about it after some more interaction.

Unless you think all three of us are scum, there's not much to worry about.

Except I won't though. Even if he gives a full on post, and lol to the idea of everyone reading that, I won't get to see how exactly his emotions change over the period of time of his reads. His trajectory, that's what it's called, right?
And I can't disregard the possibility that all three of you are scum. That'd be dumb.

[MafiaSSK]

SSK, I legit just asked you what you thought of anyone. Please don't ignore me.

The structure of this game makes it very easy and even correct to do what orc was doing when called for. I think it is entirely reasonable and not very important. He is discussing it in the neighborhood and will presumably continue to do so, so I am uncertain what the problem is. I assure you there is a thought process occurring.

My problem is that is only occuring in the neighborhood, out of my sight and I am the only one who I can trust. I want to see the progress of how orci views Cabd and I want to see the reasons why. You know? Or does this not make sense to you?

Why is your focus so exclusively orci?

Because orci's been pissing me off a lot. I dunno.

This is a complete 180 from what you were saying yesterday. explain

You made a post that annoyed me Day 2. Your responses have annoyed me more to the point of pissing me off. Yay.

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But even still, the ones that I most suspect would probably fall somewhere in flubber, orci, smp, and ceph. Pretty weak, but I can point out specific posts that have pinged me if you want.

Please do.

If you think I could be scum, it seems like that's something important you should be voicing.

Perhaps it's been something I've done in a neighborhood.

Don't be petty

Ceph is seemingly universally townread. If you have a reason to doubt that it might be more prudent to tell the town vs. orc's specific read on Cabd.

mmm. Universal. That's a pretty strong word right there. How come do you think? Why should I trust it?
Also, not mutually exclusive. I can focus on both, thanks.

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You made a post that annoyed me Day 2. Your responses have annoyed me more to the point of pissing me off. Yay.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

Unfortunate that my vote's just going to stay on you, isn't it?

[MafiaSSK]

mmm. Universal. That's a pretty strong word right there. How come do you think? Why should I trust it?

The word universal implies that it's not just STD who thinks it, but everyone.

Thanks for the definition. Question still stands.

[MafiaSSK]

You made a post that annoyed me Day 2. Your responses have annoyed me more to the point of pissing me off. Yay.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

Unfortunate that my vote's just going to stay on you, isn't it?

This is a strange post for you to make.

Aw. Why?

[MafiaSSK]

I could wagon SSK.

I love your input, notscience. It's so deep, filled with insight and truthful. Have I ever mentioned that?

[MafiaSSK]

You made a post that annoyed me Day 2. Your responses have annoyed me more to the point of pissing me off. Yay.

Unfortunate, isn't it?

Unfortunate that my vote's just going to stay on you, isn't it?

This is a strange post for you to make.

Aw. Why?

You're being kinda provocative.

Yeah, well, orci's kinda not responding to my questions.

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What questions of yours can i assist in answering?

Yeah, alright. Sorry about being so forceful about this. It's just, really, why are you so worried about specficially talking about Cabd in thread? Are you really that worried about him subtly changing his playstyle?

[MafiaSSK]

Your move,

Kaiba

MafiaSSK.

It's not like there is anything seriously wrong or else I probably would have questioned it earlier. But now, especially in looking at his ISO, it's just like there's nothing solid. There's one or two posts like his 707 that sort of bother me. But I dunno, maybe it's just how close he is to ffery and ceph? But I guess if he's a universal townread that makes sense? I dunno.

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What questions of yours can i assist in answering?

Yeah, alright. Sorry about being so forceful about this. It's just, really, why are you so worried about specficially talking about Cabd in thread? Are you really that worried about him subtly changing his playstyle?

yes

well damn that was a great question

Sorry. alright, well I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. My vote stays.

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@Ffery: Was SSK more active in the neighbourhood than in this thread during Day One? Enough for you to get a read on him?

I would like an answer to my question to Ms. Marangal. Not interested in wagoning yet.

iirc he posted 2 or 3 times, including a post right after Varsoon's entrance to the effect of "good going".

Orcinus warned him not to join the new neighborhood a couple times. I don't think he ever responded to that.

It's kind of annoying not to be able to look back at what was posted there on day 1.

Yeah, I never got to respond to orcinus or really post much in the neighborhood. I don't see much point in neighborhoods.

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I'd like to talk to you about the lord jesus christ

The fact you weren't vigged is an indication there is no god

I would probably have flipped a table. If scum-notsci has morphed into a top tier cheeky scumfuck over the last six months I'll quit mafia and take up tiddley-winks. Or knitting.

Is this you saying notscience is scum?

Yeah, we should kill mara.
VOTE: Mara
Wish I could explain why.

Are you agreeing with Orci's meta? Is this gut? Is it a random vote?

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I'd like to talk to you about the lord jesus christ

The fact you weren't vigged is an indication there is no god

I would probably have flipped a table. If scum-notsci has morphed into a top tier cheeky scumfuck over the last six months I'll quit mafia and take up tiddley-winks. Or knitting.

Is this you saying notscience is scum?

Does it look like what I'm saying?

No idea. It's why I'm asking.

[MafiaSSK]

It's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.

Elaborate on that then?

[MafiaSSK]

It's the exact opposite of what I'm saying.

Elaborate on that then?

My most recent scumgame with him is Nati's mini normal that you also played. In that game he buddied and tried to do that "I'm obvtown" swagger he doesn't have to force when he's town. As the game progressed he became less assertive, and iirc his stances became more survivalist. In earlier games I remember him deathtunneling townies as scum.

To me, his play on day 1 was a lot easier to extrapolate from his recent town games than from his recent scum games.

His day 2 play looks pretty town to me.

What do you think?

I really don't believe in meta. But, I don't believe he's been that productive in this game and I wish that I could see more content and actual reads from him.

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Like whom?

I didn't like his post I quoted in my vote. I've softened my stance as I've seen him talk, but there's also something bothering me about how he was pretty confrontational at first and then took a more humble, apologetic stance. I'm thinking now.

Nah. I was getting way too angry over what is just a game.

[MafiaSSK]

Who is 1334 directed to?

Do you mean this post? What don't you like about it?

He feigns ignorance as to what shitposting is and I don't follow his read progression on ssk.

I'm sorry I don't know what your definition of shitposting is and who it applies to in this game.

I think you've done a lot of shit posting in the last hour or so but I don't really think shitposting is necessarily a scumtell, so...

Where's the brightline, STD? When does shitposting become a scumtell?

[MafiaSSK]

Ok. My vote's moving over to flubber.

VOTE: flubbernugget

[MafiaSSK]

This so does not excuse orci from the Cabd read. Because that's just plain dumb.

[MafiaSSK]

I actually wonder why ssk hasn't approached me on my asking him to not mutiny

It made sense to me? It's not like I had done much in the PT, you only wanted your townreads with you, etc. I had no need.

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flubber: Back to the very original question, who do you think is shitposting and why do you think I should be voting them over SSK?

I considered both ssk to be shitposting, and did not understand how you were able to construct a scum read on ssk or any other reason to vote him, considering his play was bad moreso than scummy. I'm probably shitposting too, which you agree with, which is why I wanted my play and ssk's play to be compared. That way there would be a better understanding of what shitposting was between us.

So where do you think I'm shitposting out of curiousity?

[MafiaSSK]

I'll say it. The Lynx wagon is crap. I have no idea what it's based off of and people just seem to be riding off each others votes? Orci, are you willing to explain this read and why you are voting Lynx?

[MafiaSSK]

I'll say it. The Lynx wagon is crap. I have no idea what it's based off of and people just seem to be riding off each others votes? Orci, are you willing to explain this read and why you are voting Lynx?

I'm really tempted to say no here just to fuck with you.

But actually though. Explain?

[MafiaSSK]

Doesn't Nati dislike cops? Or do I just think that because I like her as a mod and am assuming my own views onto her.

Yeah, Nat hates cops, she thinks they're way too OP.

[MafiaSSK]

I have catchup to do in this game and I have essays IRL that I have to write tomorrow. I'll get around to this game late-ish tomorrow.

[MafiaSSK]

So I'm sorry but is there seriously a wagon on an NPC?

[MafiaSSK]

Also could someone explain why there's a wagon on ABR too now?

[MafiaSSK]

Yeah, I'm not really supportive of the two main wagons. ABR, I am getting a town read on. I just don't see in any way how he could be acting as scum and no one's explained it to me. Lynx/DedicatedScribe wagon seems like a policy lynch to me.

SMP on the other hand, I feel comfortable leaving my vote on for a bit.
VOTE: SMP

[MafiaSSK]

Yeah, I'm not really supportive of the two main wagons. ABR, I am getting a town read on. I just don't see in any way how he could be acting as scum and no one's explained it to me. Lynx/DedicatedScribe wagon seems like a policy lynch to me.

SMP on the other hand, I feel comfortable leaving my vote on for a bit.
VOTE: SMP

Hi.

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