Advance Wars UPick!--Game Over..?

[Albert B. Rampage]

25 pages? You're kidding me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Too. Much. Posting.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone please summarize what has happened so far.

[Albert B. Rampage]

1. CO Powers
--Each player has a CO Power, which can only be activated when a player has the number of stars

as defined in their role PM.
--Each player gets one * at the beginning of each night. If that player was on the lynch wagon, they get an additional *.
--CO Powers may be used multiple times, but the * cost must be paid each time.
--Unless otherwise stated, a COP is an active ability and cannot be activated in conjunction with other abilities.

Lynches are going to go in a vacuum with everyone vying for stars whenever someone gets close to lynch, regardless of suspicions. That's very, very dangerous.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Someone please summarize what has happened so far.

Read the game.
It's honestly not that much.
If you can't commit at least that much effort, then why are you playing forum mafia in a large game?

I expected 10-12 pages after a day at most.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks, Bookitty!

VOTE: Varsoon

I read my neighborhood QT. This vote is obvious.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's responsible for 122 posts in 2 days lol. Can we lynch him now, please?

[Albert B. Rampage]

He's responsible for 122 posts in 2 days lol. Can we lynch him now, please?

Weak play, Albert.
Weak.

You self-voted. You asked to be lynched. You outted everyone in our alliance. Then you made another 100 posts. This is madness.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would lynch him for being insulting and combative, let alone everything else that he's pulled.

Hammer it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The case against Ms Marangal is wack. You seem to have taken everything out of context while thoroughly slipping your bias in.

Vote: grapes

[Albert B. Rampage]

@Ms. Marangal: How much of your suspicion of Orcinus is based on his role in the game?

I'm sort of suspicious of you. You always says the perfect thing that scum would say in every game, even if you're town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I quoted you simply to direct my post to you, not to respond to what I quoted. You're just very, how to say it...consensus-building. You're agreeable, you're positive, you seem perfectly reasonable.

Contrast with say cabd, who makes polarizing posts. I could vote for cabd, but he makes good posts I think come from town sometimes. I'm not really sure. I want to hear more from fferyllt. A better example might be DGB or me, who easily turn people against us with our forcefulness and aggressiveness. Your type of aggression, and you are aggressive, somehow has the uncanny knack to make people take your side instead of suspect you, regardless of alignment.

I think this is how you carry your way to the endgame as scum. I know it's your playstyle, but it's hard to read and harder to bring any sort of bandwagon against you because everybody likes you.

I'll have to analyze what you say more extensively.

Fferyllt, do you think Cephrir and orc are 100% town?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Since they think you're town too, why aren't you voting as a block?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think I took firm stances and even pointed out things from my own scum play that I saw in others in this thread. If I were scum, why would I pull back the curtains like that?

The problem with self-meta is that it's pure WIFOM.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Or self-analysis, rather. Nothing to do with meta.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I thought you did have access to it, and that's why Natirasha created a new quicktopic for me and MafiaSSK.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What do you think of Ms. Marangal's case on Orcinus yesterday?

I think orc is town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If it's not me, then I think we should go through player by player with vote then votecount and figure out who it belongs to.

It might be independently controlled from a player's vote. I'm against any kind of system that slows this game down. That's exactly how I lose interest.

[Albert B. Rampage]

orc, cephrir and fferylt defected from Black Hole.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Also I have two votes today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What's whack is this post. Did you and SSK do anything last night? A simple yes/no will suffice.

Our QT was blocked all night, so no. We are talking now that the new topic has opened.

I'm fine with my vote on grape because I have more townreads than scumreads right now, thanks for your input though.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol not even your neighbors are going to join. Forget it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bolt Guard

[Albert B. Rampage]

Place your votes, folks. We need to thin the herd.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The bandwagons aren't gonna start themselves, I see a lot of shy posters here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't remember playing with you at any time at all.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh yeah, Serum and Steel. Some clowns followed the scum into getting me mislynched Day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You replaced into the On a Boat mini normal.

lol I checked the game. I made 6 posts and got mislynched.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You replaced into the On a Boat mini normal.

lol I checked the game. I made 6 posts and got mislynched.

True. I included that one because completeness and chronology.

This doesn't speak to my observation, though.

Red Wine. I got mislynched Day 1.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Why did you ask me if I'm town (in the old neighborhood) at the end of day 1?

That was around the time I started reading the game. I was just putting you on the spot for fun.

[Albert B. Rampage]

albert if you're encouraging wagons why don't you do something productive with your vote

I've found that Cephrir was acting weird yesterday and today.

And Bookitty's defense of Flubbernugget is also weird.

Right now, I'm happy with where my vote is.

MafiaSSK is probably town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would vote for Cephrir but I'm not because I'm half-expecting orc to have a plan for him what with the doc protection request yesterday. Out of everyone that was in black hole, I think Cephrir is the most likely scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I would like to know more about Albert's Ceph read.

I’m reluctant to vote for Cephrir, to be quite frank. I started the game with the assumption that there was at least a scum in our neighborhood. After Varsoon flipped town, Cephrir was the next logical choice for me, but now, I’m trying to keep away from playing at outguessing the mod. Like Cephrir says, the way things are heading, we’re probably going to come into conflict in the future regardless of whether or not I commit to voting him today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol do it

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think you have to consider that Death Note does appear to be his first game on this site. That said, SMP wasn't playing like a newbie in Death Note. It's not null that he ignored the low-hanging fruit in Death Note and seems to be seizing on it here; that said, it's not a huge red flag for me. I feel WAY more confident in Ms. Marangal-scum based on Day One play and Day Two non-play.

Again, you're indirectly defending flubber, calling him low hanging fruit.

Ms. Marangal is V/LA, what does "Day Two non-play" mean? It looks like you just added that part to make it look like you're suspecting her for more stuff than her Day 1 play.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Bookitty

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote Bookitty, vote notscience

[Albert B. Rampage]

I read STD as town. What does everyone think about honeybee this game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

someone replacing in asking for a summary is different from someone who was playing from the beginning being like 'i'm lazy, summary plz'

How so? Alignment-indicative different?

"From the beginning" being 40 pages in a day and a half.

[Albert B. Rampage]

What does everyone think about honeybee this game?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I think she's town, ABR.

Why?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm sure I can find the quotes if you need them

This would be extremely helpful.

[Albert B. Rampage]

0rc I thought someone just tracked someone to you last night.

[Albert B. Rampage]

and there in't a reason for scsummara to deduct a star from you when she is planning to push you to lycn. like really

Wait, what?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Night night Mara.

Unvote, vote Ms Marangal

[Albert B. Rampage]

The complete lack of effort is anticlimactic and makes me wish I would have joined this bandwagon sooner. We've wasted enough time.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Now she's trying to deprive town of stars.

[Albert B. Rampage]

she thinks i should townread her BASED ON THE SINGULAR FACT OF LOSING A STAR LAST NIGHT.

Yeah I think we all read that. It's more that she thought that she could get away with a half-baked action claim to divert her bandwagon instead of high quality posts. She's played the laziest game and using the cheapest tricks to make it out alive.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Mara why are you self-voting?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hammer away

[Albert B. Rampage]

Good morning, I'm here. What's up, Orc?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's my thoughts on Mara. She had a death tunnel going on you, went on V/LA, came back, saw that she was in danger, tried to come up with a reason to why she can't be scum but messed it up, and then she realized that her plan to claim her action that removed a star from you was evidently from town because if she was scum she could have just killed you, so why bother removing a star (Mara's logic), and then she saw how clumsy that was when she got voted some more, and decided to replace out. There's nothing illegal about replacing out if you don't feel like you can contribute to your faction anymore, regardless of what faction it is. I've replaced out as scum before even if I was the primary suspect, because I think someone else with my slot could do a better job helping my faction. There's no way that I see it as a towntell.

I didn't at all like Cheetory's unvote that seemed like it was following orc's lead. He hasn't shown that he's willing to back any of his own independent thoughts. Especially with the "I will let other more worthy players like Brian Skies be on the wagon" that I didn't like. Reminds me of why I think Bookitty's reasons for thinking honey bee is town is also wrong.

Notscience, I've been onto since the start of the day. I think he's playing a role, plain and simple. There's no shred of authentic suspicion in any of his posts, and if it takes a bandwagon to make him take the game seriously, or if he'll get caught and die laughing like The Joker, that's great. I want votes on him.

So for me today it would be mara, notscience, cheetory, or honey bee.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey, ABR, can you read the part about the claims/what they mean in Post 1964? Orci too. Just the first two paragraphs, to make sure I didn't overlook something?

Mara's ability, which she used, was to reduce or steal a star from orci, which means she didn't track anyone. Someone from the neighborhood tracked Mara to orci.

ABR I have a question for you. When you said you're a double voter, I took it to mean that you are the explanation for the Neotank person in the vote count.

It's not moving with your vote, though, apparently.

Do you know if your vote is related to that thing?

No, it's not. My doublevoting ability is called Deathray Diplomacy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He started playing more aggressively after people said he wasn't playing aggressively; that looks to me like a change in play based on how he's perceived.

Who said that I wasn't playing aggressively?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't know, ABR. I can't find it by searching ABR (that plain doesn't work) and it wasn't by someone who addressed you as Albert. If I do a complete reread of the game at some point I'll get it for you then.

I think you might have read that in your neighborhood because no one has said what you're claiming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It is weird. I'm trying to figure out if it's scummy.

He's been town in every one of the games we've played. My recollection of his play has been that he's kind of a curmudgeony nonentity who gets run up and lynched on day 1.

As scum, he's more out there, I think.

Cabd replaced into a scum team ABR was on in a game a few months ago. I want to see what he thinks.

And there's this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32183

book maybe it was this

No, that's the opposite of what Bookitty is saying. fferyllt is saying that her impression of me is a non-entity that doesn't do anything and gets run up as town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

or this is mara being a total dick and replacing out as scum

If she wasn't having fun or wasn't able to contribute, then it's not a bad decision to replace out. There was still a lot of debate about her and she didn't even reach L-6. It's not like we ran her up to L-1 and THEN she replaced out. It's not alignment-indicative.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Can you explain what changed for you between Post 1978 and now?

Also, I believe at one point Mara was at L-4.

Nothing changed, I still think Mara is scum. I disagree that it's illegal to replace out in a tight spot, or that she did something wrong by replacing out, but it's morally okay if she's town. I don't see the replacement itself as alignment indicative. In 1978, I fit the replacement into a larger narrative that I still hold as the prevailing theory explaining her actions in this game.

are you trying to sell me that mara should not have believed she was in danger of being lynched?

In danger or not, there was a lot of time left to play and for a replacement to possibly make a difference if the bandwagon went another way, just like the way it did.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was in danger one game where I didn't have time to play and lurked a lot, I replaced out because I couldn't do the slot justice, I may have been at L-3 or L-5 in a large game, this is on Day 1 or 2, the game with Rainbowdash. Anyway, I replaced out, the mod didn't find a replacement, the slot got lynched anyway and I was scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Actually, Day 3. Georgetown mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=37174

[Albert B. Rampage]

I consider Orc the leading reason why everyone else unvoted, and Orc already stated his reasons. cabd wanted a claim before there were more votes on mara and that froze the bandwagon. Then Orc unvoted, followed by Cheetory, Konowa and yourself. If we can get this bandwagon back on then I'm in.

[Albert B. Rampage]

#2110 looks contrived, I don't even know why he posted that, so you can count me in for Lynx if Mara doesn't take off today.

[Albert B. Rampage]

can i just remind people that i am literally cop cleared right now

This isn't remotely true lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're confusing orcinus with Brian Skies, maybe?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Are you really going to proclaim yourself as equal to Brian Skies right now?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Let's examine this quote again.

The orc clear is an amnesiac cop we're pretty sure,

unless it's a messenger

in which case CLAIM NOW OR BE AUTOLYNCHED FOR CLAIMING MESSENGER DOWN THE LINE

Ah, there it is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

No.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Yes, please do. That way we'll know who all the scum are. Come out of the woodwork, come at me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Your case on mara was garbage. Just because you're blowing the horn the loudest doesn't make you control the bandwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Cheetory gains scummy points for unvoting after you, and Bookitty placed her vote back. The mara bandwagon is still happening, with or without you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The bandwagon exists without you. Hence, you don't control the bandwagon.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're not cleared, why don't you understand that?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think orc is scum but all it takes is a few more pieces of information and things could unravel for him if he is.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Trying to reread everything right now.
Also trying not to OMGUS scumread/scumread ABR for what might just be playstyle.

Take your gloves off, let's go a round.

Unvote, vote Cheetory

I voted Mara both because her claim felt like a scum PR and I felt like her ragequit was scum trying to throw people off her wagon. NS and orci said the latter is a bannable offense. Sorry if I don't have a lot of conviction after being told that all of my thoughts on orci were pretty much wrong.

This is convoluted reasoning. You can't prove that someone is replacing out to change the game state. Natirsha's threat isn't enforceable unless the guilty party literally admits to replacing out to give their faction an edge. I don't see how a reasonable townie who is convinced that Mara is scum will unvote Mara because NS and orci say that it's a bannable offense to replace out as scum to gain an edge. One doesn't follow the other, and I think you're scum.

[Albert B. Rampage]

if you were town you'd be saying exactly what makes me scum right now. but instead you post something that has zero content in it and has no purpose except for serving, if needed, as a good post to point to later and say "hey i have a good trajectory!"

Tell me more about what I would be saying if I were town, this is hilarious lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

Oh you want me to continue? ok you've been picking low hanging fruit the entire game and focused on majority wishes instead of actually any semblance of legitimate scumhunting

My Bookitty vote wasn't totally focused on majority wishes, though. My notscience vote might have gone somewhere, if Mara didn't crash that party with her drunken antics.

Do you mean grapes? I stand by my grapes vote, now that we look who's replaced him.

Mara? I stand by that one as well, as you know.

In fact, surprise, those are still the two I think are scum. Together.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p6038711
so why didn't you scumread mara when she was doing NOTHING BUT THIS the entire day 1?

Your case on mara is bad. Your entire reason for voting mara is bad. I don't agree with any of it.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't have time for this.

Unvote, vote Mara

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey guys, my activity may experience a significant drop...my grandfather has been given a week to live by his doctors...I'm also having health issues and going into surgery soon...it really doesn't help that I'm also in finals with my full time job. So just FYI if you think I'm playing at a more superficial level than usual.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Neotank

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't followed the last few pages but Bookitty wants to vote me now so I'll claim. My CO power at 4 stars is that I can vig.

[Albert B. Rampage]

And I can't vig anyone in Black Hole.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: dedicated scribe

I'm vigging Konowa tonight.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You still want me to lynch me? Even after I said I wasn't vigging you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're going to try to mislynch me, aren't you?

[Albert B. Rampage]

OK I'm killing you tonight then.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: dedicated scribe

I'm vigging Konowa tonight.

Have fun with that.

Target has changed. But I don't see how your 3 votes in this game being mara, lynx and varsoon can be interpreted as not scummy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're going to try to mislynch me, aren't you?

If you shoot notsci tonight I will personally see to it that you are strung up on day 3. From beyond the grave if necessary.

That's cool that you control the neotank. Well, I have two votes too so I guess we'll just see what happens after I vig notscience. I stopped caring about this game a long time ago.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't care about living until the end. My win condition is something different

[Albert B. Rampage]

How does it feel to be a dead man walking, notscience?

[Albert B. Rampage]

[Albert B. Rampage]

He will die and they can lynch me and the game will carry on. Your threats are meaningless to me.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Quickwagon ABR go

Too late, I already hammered Lynx LOL

[Albert B. Rampage]

For once I'm a vig and I get to kill whoever I want.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're not a vig.

Well I have vig abilities.

[Albert B. Rampage]

YOLO

[Albert B. Rampage]

YOLO

[Albert B. Rampage]

We already mislynched Lynx, you can't kill me today lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

night bookitty!

[Albert B. Rampage]

You will see when I flip!

[Albert B. Rampage]

Says the person who tried to get me lynched after I already hammered lol

[Albert B. Rampage]

My wincon is to accumulate 12 stars.

[Albert B. Rampage]

notty gets in the way of that, and my role is sort of senseless to me because I win alone and that's no fun. So when I confirmed that notty was going to come after me no matter what, I just decided to throw the game and try to mess with him a bit.

[Albert B. Rampage]

If you're capable of winning with town, then prove, act, and say so, otherwise as far as I'm concerned, mara's replacement should target you for star removal every night until we lynch you

That's not fun. I'll level the playing field for scum a bit instead. I think fferlyt is town. notscience is definitely town. You guys are my nemesis in this game so I'll at least kill notty.

[Albert B. Rampage]

You prefer scum roles iirc.

Anyways, how come you guys are all together? Is there a meet going on? Where?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thread?

[Albert B. Rampage]

You're ALL from chicago? Who specifically?

[Albert B. Rampage]

What does nachomamma look like?

[Albert B. Rampage]

And orc, how come I've never heard of you before? You post like you want to catch up to DGB and my post count on this site.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm not from Chicago. cabd, mara, orci in the game. notsci, ceph, nati and I are being heavily recruited.

You're in Illinois, you mean?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Nacho's a really cool guy. he has a picture of himself in FWAN thread

I assume he's the black guy sitting.

And you're an otaku lol.

Orc is asian, figures.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I killed Cheetory. Yesterday I pretended I would kill notscience so the scum would leave him alone.

Now I'm going V/LA. Funeral

[Albert B. Rampage]

Before I go, I need to tell you that I lied about being third party, I win when neo black hole is dead.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Thanks fferyllt. You too

[Albert B. Rampage]

I should be able to start reading around Sunday. For now,

vote: mafiassk

[Albert B. Rampage]

notscience is confirmed town. cabd, brian skies as well. Bookitty, orc and fferyllt are also most likely town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He has the sample PM where he's a fruit vendor and can send someone a message to let them know he's confirmed town.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I'm the last scum and we were supposed to forfeit in the night yesterday but Saki was AFK so gg everyone.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I was dealing with a lot of personal things during the course of this game, and my teammates couldn't access the game very often either, so yeah, the way things played out just didn't work out for us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well, Saki using his power actually cost Scum the game.

Nah, we tried to forfeit during the night. The game was already decided earlier than that imo.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Saki couldn't come back in time to acknowledge the forfeit so the day caught up with us.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Well you have to understand that I couldn't communicate with any of my teammates for 95% of the game. Saki just posted "I finally get to use my CO power!" and never came back, so I submitted the action for him lol

N1 and last night were spent trying to kill Konowa. Yesterday night I used my strongman kill on Cheetory because he was the first to call the entire scum team and he mentionned he had some kind of protective ability.

[Albert B. Rampage]

This would have been a completely different game if the alignments were rolled differently.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't think anyone in my position could have won this game for scum. Thanks for the game though. I picked up Advance Wars on GBA and played through it, wasn't very fun though. Maybe the other games in the series are better. Fire Emblem was much more solid.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Bookitty join Survivor Mafia: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=60002

[Albert B. Rampage]

:/

[Albert B. Rampage]

I respect you but I wouldn't go so far as to saying we share something.

[Albert B. Rampage]

wait what

Too many confirmed towns and all town neighborhoods who trust each other and lucky role powers and low mafia activity and stuff, y'know.

[Albert B. Rampage]

unnecessary orci