Advance Wars UPick!--Game Over..?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Given her read on you, if she is town, it makes sense she'd use it on you.

It makes sense for her to use on me as both alignments.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

What's your read on ABR?

[fferyllt]

ABR I have a question for you. When you said you're a double voter, I took it to mean that you are the explanation for the Neotank person in the vote count.

It's not moving with your vote, though, apparently.

Do you know if your vote is related to that thing?

Vote Count 2.5

Sensei: You know, back in my day, you whippersnappers...
Hachi: Oh boy, there the great Yamamoto goes again!

wgeurts(0):

LynxKuroneko(2):

Konowa, Honey bee

Flubbernugget(1):

MafiaSSK

Cephrir(0):

Save the Dragons(0):

BipolarChemist(0):

fferyllt(0):

MafiaSSK(0):

honey bee(0):

Cabd(0):

Ms Marangal(7):

Cephrir, orcinus_theoriginal, Bookitty,

Albert B. Rampage

,

Ms Marangal, Save The Dragons

Albert B. Rampage(0):

SMP(1):

Cheetory6

Brian Skies(0):

Cheetory6(1):

Brian Skies

Bookitty(0):

orcinus_theoriginal(0):

Saki(0):

Konowa(0):

notscience(0):

No Lynch(0):

Not Voting(10):

BipolarChemist, Cabd, SMP, Saki, notscience,

Neotank Mk2

,

fferyllt, Flubbernugget, wgeurts, LynxKuroneko

With twenty-one alive, it takes eleven to lynch.

(expired on 2014-11-27 21:00:00)

[Albert B. Rampage]

Here's my thoughts on Mara. She had a death tunnel going on you, went on V/LA, came back, saw that she was in danger, tried to come up with a reason to why she can't be scum but messed it up, and then she realized that her plan to claim her action that removed a star from you was evidently from town because if she was scum she could have just killed you, so why bother removing a star (Mara's logic), and then she saw how clumsy that was when she got voted some more, and decided to replace out. There's nothing illegal about replacing out if you don't feel like you can contribute to your faction anymore, regardless of what faction it is. I've replaced out as scum before even if I was the primary suspect, because I think someone else with my slot could do a better job helping my faction. There's no way that I see it as a towntell.

I didn't at all like Cheetory's unvote that seemed like it was following orc's lead. He hasn't shown that he's willing to back any of his own independent thoughts. Especially with the "I will let other more worthy players like Brian Skies be on the wagon" that I didn't like. Reminds me of why I think Bookitty's reasons for thinking honey bee is town is also wrong.

Notscience, I've been onto since the start of the day. I think he's playing a role, plain and simple. There's no shred of authentic suspicion in any of his posts, and if it takes a bandwagon to make him take the game seriously, or if he'll get caught and die laughing like The Joker, that's great. I want votes on him.

So for me today it would be mara, notscience, cheetory, or honey bee.

[Bookitty]

Okay, I agree about the mention of the amnesiac cop, not with the idea that it's Mara.

Cabd is worrisome because he claimed a power not based on stars and not like the other powers (one-shot cop). He cleared Brian Skies, on whom I was developing a delightful little scum read due to unhelpfulness and semi-lurkiness. (Also probably OMGUS played a role.) It's like on Sesame Street: "One of these things is not like the others, one of these things just doesn't belong..."

I had a townread on him prior to that, though.

On ABR: Hmmmm. I had him as lean-town for questioning me, but I don't have a solid read on him now. He started playing more aggressively after people said he wasn't playing aggressively; that looks to me like a change in play based on how he's perceived. I just don't know for sure. Still lean-town, I guess, based on previous experience.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Hey, ABR, can you read the part about the claims/what they mean in Post 1964? Orci too. Just the first two paragraphs, to make sure I didn't overlook something?

Mara's ability, which she used, was to reduce or steal a star from orci, which means she didn't track anyone. Someone from the neighborhood tracked Mara to orci.

ABR I have a question for you. When you said you're a double voter, I took it to mean that you are the explanation for the Neotank person in the vote count.

It's not moving with your vote, though, apparently.

Do you know if your vote is related to that thing?

No, it's not. My doublevoting ability is called Deathray Diplomacy.

[Albert B. Rampage]

He started playing more aggressively after people said he wasn't playing aggressively; that looks to me like a change in play based on how he's perceived.

Who said that I wasn't playing aggressively?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

OK then, let's try this for now.

VOTE: smp

[Bookitty]

See, that doublevoter thing also makes me think ABR is town. It's not a great read, but it's what I have right now.

If Cabd is scum then Brian Skies is probably town regardless because I see no way scum ties himself so closely to another scum. If Cabd is town, then his role is frankly weird when compared to others in the game.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Your setup hunting seems bizzare in a closed nati game with very incomplete information

[orcinus_theoriginal]

VOTE: konowa

a quick ISO of konowa reveals this to be a better vote than SMP. wagon with me!

[orcinus_theoriginal]

The thing with Mara's tell for me is that she isn't analyzing any of the post in question, or even questioning others whether the catchup post is invalid in any way. She's applying a blanket tell but not doing any of the legwork.

Vote: Ms Marangal

I kind of think Mara is Town after #1475. I don't see Scum, who it appears a number of players are waiting on right now, coming in and softing something hard like that in what I tend to believe is a power heavy game.

mara's MO as caught and pressured scum is to fakeclaim. i could give you many examples of this, and i will if you think it necessary.

knowing that, do you still think it's too brazen for scum?

I don't know, the play as Scum is completely sub-optimal right now.

I expect more out of Scum in general, I suppose.

My vote on you was mainly for your vote on Mara Today.

unvote;
Vote: Ms Marangal

No semblance of a logical line of thought here.

[fferyllt]

I forget who said they thought NeoTank sounded like something that Lynx would have. I want to confirm that if it's true.

VOTE: fferyllt

I feel like some of the people who have been in my scumpile have improved a little. Lynx and konowa are my big concerns atm. I need to look back at SMP and Flubbernugget to see if they've earned a ticket off the scumpile.

orci, I understand and to some extent share your concerns about Cabd. If he is scum, do you think he would have played his reaction to mara drunkenly replacing out like he did?

p-edit that was a lot of crossposts.

[Bookitty]

I don't know, ABR. I can't find it by searching ABR (that plain doesn't work) and it wasn't by someone who addressed you as Albert. If I do a complete reread of the game at some point I'll get it for you then.

@Orci: It's my first Nati game. I was making an assumption, maybe bad, that star points were the primary unit of action-currency in this game based on people's comments about wanting, stealing or not needing them. It seemed odd to me that it would be mixed in the way it apparently is.

I can go for an SMP lynch for sure, but I would like to hear about the replacement before I vote that way.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

Just going to sheep for the time being.

Vote: Varsoon

Konowa's contribution to the Varsoon wagon yesterday.

I'm not even kidding. K said NOTHING else and ended up on the final wagon.

And also has done very little and expressed around 0 original opinions aside from mara being town, which apparently he no longer believes.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I don't know, ABR. I can't find it by searching ABR (that plain doesn't work) and it wasn't by someone who addressed you as Albert. If I do a complete reread of the game at some point I'll get it for you then.

I think you might have read that in your neighborhood because no one has said what you're claiming.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

orci, I understand and to some extent share your concerns about Cabd. If he is scum, do you think he would have played his reaction to mara drunkenly replacing out like he did?

Here or in neighborhood?

I'm not sure my case is ready yet but there are some strong townreads outside of neighborhood that might want to comment on thoughts, so I'm ambivalent.

[Bookitty]

@ABR: No. What's more likely is that I read something addressed to someone else and misattributed the comment as referring to you. In any case, it's going to have to wait for a full reread which isn't happening for me today.

[orcinus_theoriginal]

It is weird. I'm trying to figure out if it's scummy.

He's been town in every one of the games we've played. My recollection of his play has been that he's kind of a curmudgeony nonentity who gets run up and lynched on day 1.

As scum, he's more out there, I think.

Cabd replaced into a scum team ABR was on in a game a few months ago. I want to see what he thinks.

And there's this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32183

book maybe it was this

[Bookitty]

I think this says the opposite, though.

Here or in neighborhood?

I don't understand what you're asking Ffery here.

[Albert B. Rampage]

It is weird. I'm trying to figure out if it's scummy.

He's been town in every one of the games we've played. My recollection of his play has been that he's kind of a curmudgeony nonentity who gets run up and lynched on day 1.

As scum, he's more out there, I think.

Cabd replaced into a scum team ABR was on in a game a few months ago. I want to see what he thinks.

And there's this: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32183

book maybe it was this

No, that's the opposite of what Bookitty is saying. fferyllt is saying that her impression of me is a non-entity that doesn't do anything and gets run up as town.

[Bookitty]

To my knowledge, you and Ffery are not in a neighbourhood with CABD. So what are you referring to, Orci?

[orcinus_theoriginal]

I was asking her where she wanted to talk to me about CABD.

[wgeurts]

VOTE: konowa

a quick ISO of konowa reveals this to be a better vote than SMP. wagon with me!

Well ahead of you.
ABR is town aswell, I know his scum game after a lot of meta.

[Bookitty]

Why, since the discussion started here? Couldn't you have asked her that in the neighbourhood?

I read it directly as you asking her about CABD's reactions in a neighbourhood that, to my knowledge, doesn't exist {Orci, Ffery and CABD}. Why would it make sense to take it to the neighbourhood when the only information you would have about Cabd's reaction to Mara's drunk-post claim was already in this thread?