Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

[The Goat]

What...in...the..actual...

33 pages.

Okay...got some reading to do, unless someone has Cliff's Notes...

[The Goat]

Goat... as usual~

Sorry...should I remember you?

[The Goat]

vote Skitty

[The Goat]

Waiting for an answer to a question before proceeding further....

[The Goat]

i think goat is breadcrumbing that hes scum
obvs he asked a question in the scum pt and hes waiting for his buddy to answer him

The question I asked...was to you, on the board WE share. I really wish your hydra partner had answered me with more than a period instead of reacting like that, because your claim confuses me a bit.

If your only goal is to survive to end game, then I'm sure you can understand why I'd question your motivation...you know, as your neighbor and all.

[The Goat]

i will fucking dayvig the next person to vote Skitty

i am 100% fucking serious about this.

This does not make me feel particularly jolly about you.

[The Goat]

Pie - I'm still only a third into the game so couldn't dig into your case. But I do have a question based on something later. Why do you consider someone thinking someone is coaching a scum tell?

it's not someone thinking someone is coaching per se. it's essentially just specious argumentation. the argument falls apart bc with a shos/Skitty team shos has no reason to yell at Skitty for claiming survivor _after_ Skitty actually claimed, since it wouldn't actually help him any, but he's conveniently ignoring that and instead acting like they're scum bc there's "no town motivation" in shos' statement.

I think it's just as likely shos' comment was just an offhand remark; town don't necessarily do 100% town motivated things all the time, so acting like they do feels misguided at best and completely contrived at worst. I also think his conviction about it is completely misplaced.

I don't think that skitty is being completely truthful. I KNOW that they didn't answer my question, and my unfamiliarity with bastard games has me a little more suspicious than normal anyway.

[The Goat]

Huh.

And reading up on neighbors in bastard games does not make me feel better.

[The Goat]

And why are you crazy persons eating dinner and going to bed at 6 am?

[The Goat]

And why are you crazy persons eating dinner and going to bed at 6 am?

10pm for me (Om)
sonic is 3 hours behind me

I figured, what with the "mate" and all.

[The Goat]

Also, if anyone can give me an explanation why Sonic (the character, not the hydra playing) would be neighbors with Pacman, I'd like to hear it.

[The Goat]

Also, if anyone can give me an explanation why Sonic (the character, not the hydra playing) would be neighbors with Pacman, I'd like to hear it.

Because flavor connection has no relation to roles spread out

Is this an assumption, or am I just a huge slacker and didn't read it?

[The Goat]

Also, if anyone can give me an explanation why Sonic (the character, not the hydra playing) would be neighbors with Pacman, I'd like to hear it.

WHY IS SONIC A NEIGHBOR

THAT IS GREAT INJUSTICE

I was expecting tails.

[The Goat]

I am as surprised as you are!

But... There might be another special role that you are withholding! Skitty (pacman, I assume) claims to be a survivor! Sonic.... MUST have some sort of compensation... right? RIGHT?

This is why I am leery of Skitty, and don't think they are being truthful. I do not have any abilities other than sharing a board with them.

[The Goat]

Their reluctance to answer my "wtf are you doing, is this some sort of gambit" question doesn't make me feel any better.

[The Goat]

Winter: Fair enough. It still took me by surprise.

The dichotomy of claimed roles is still pinging my Goatdar. Their reluctance to talk even more so.

Is mixed-alignment neighbors a fairly standard bastard setup?

[The Goat]

That pretty much

defines

wifom.

[The Goat]

ok. what would my scum motivation be for lying about this, given if I was, it would be obvious after a while I don't *actually* have an explanation for it?

that's not even a statement it's possible to lie about, so I don't get how you think WIFOM applies here.

The line of thinking that "skitty cannot be scum because scum would not claim survivor" is definitively wifom when it's fleshed out.

[The Goat]

Skitty, I would like direct answers to two questions when you return, please.

1) Why did you not answer my question on our board?

2) WTF is THIS?

i think goat is breadcrumbing that hes scum
obvs he asked a question in the scum pt and hes waiting for his buddy to answer him

If you're going to deny that we're neighbors, then this is going to go in a completely different direction.

[The Goat]

you all are going to feel like fucking idiots when you find out how wrong you are here

that's all I'll fucking say. it feels like no one in this game save me and one other person is capable of seeing beyond the obvious. I'll see you all tomorrow bc I'm too pissed to continue right now.

Perspective, friend. If you were in my shoes, I'm pretty sure you'd be calling for Skitty's head.

[The Goat]

one last post bc I just fucking can't.

Perspective, friend. If you were in my shoes, I'm pretty sure you'd be calling for Skitty's head.

this shows that not only do you fail at reading in between the lines, and know nothing about me, but you're naive enough to think I would do this without a fucking solid reason

you seem to be working under the assumption I'm an idiot. the fact that you (or anyone) think I'd do something that outright stupid is a personal insult to me.

the same thing applies to you, MS. sorry if this comes off offensive, but I can't fucking put up with this anymore. :/ anyway, night for real

Okay, go to bed, grumpy.

I'm not assuming anything. I'm working with the knowledge that I have. I value that a lot more than "you're just going to have to trust me." No, no I'm not just going to have to do that. I have no idea what your motivation is.

Again, in my shoes, you'd probably be acting the way I am.

[The Goat]

Skitty, I would like direct answers to two questions when you return, please.

1) Why did you not answer my question on our board?

2) WTF is THIS?

i think goat is breadcrumbing that hes scum
obvs he asked a question in the scum pt and hes waiting for his buddy to answer him

If you're going to deny that we're neighbors, then this is going to go in a completely different direction.

1. its 4:30 am and i stayed up to do my history homework
bro if you want answers ask ur questions here but clearly you were asking the wrong person (aka ur scumbuddy)

2. u heard me do u wanna fight

Lynch this.

Immediately.

[The Goat]

I do not know who or what skitty is...but I know that it lies.

That's a fact, jack.

[The Goat]

i think goat is breadcrumbing that hes scum
obvs he asked a question in the scum pt and hes waiting for his buddy to answer him

The question I asked...was to you, on the board WE share. I really wish your hydra partner had answered me with more than a period instead of reacting like that, because your claim confuses me a bit.

If your only goal is to survive to end game, then I'm sure you can understand why I'd question your motivation...you know, as your neighbor and all.

Daytalk, do you have it

Yep. I asked what the hell was going on. NS replied...seven hours later, with "."

[The Goat]

goat im tired as heck and if you can post in images then i should be able to post in images for the rest of the game

If you want, you can ignore the image entirely and read the rest of the post. I just thought a continuation of the "That's a fact jack" theme emphasized my point that you're lying.

[The Goat]

I'm sorry pie, you didn't deserve that at all. I'm a complete and total idiot who occasionally goes barreling a bit too hard and that's what happened this morning. I pushed hard back against you because it seemed like you were really going to shut down the notscience push with weak reasons because ~ego~ and there was no way in hell I was willing to let that happen. I see what you're doing, and I apologize for being an idiot yet again.

If you could explain it to me like

I'm

an idiot, I'd appreciate it.

[The Goat]

I'm sorry pie, you didn't deserve that at all. I'm a complete and total idiot who occasionally goes barreling a bit too hard and that's what happened this morning. I pushed hard back against you because it seemed like you were really going to shut down the notscience push with weak reasons because ~ego~ and there was no way in hell I was willing to let that happen. I see what you're doing, and I apologize for being an idiot yet again.

If you could explain it to me like

I'm

an idiot, I'd appreciate it.

Notscience is lying about being a survivor. He's aligned with town.

He is going to come clean about everything in the neighborhood to you, down to explaining why he kept pushing me to that old game, why he decided to pull this shit in the first place, why he decided he would go "hey I'm gonna only vote the biggest wagon ^.^", considering this is a BASTARD GAME and night actions are liable to be much more misleading than just scumhunting. If he does not come clean about everything in the neighborhood to you by 8:00 PM CST (approximately 12 hours from now), I will happily explain everything I've just learned because his game has done enough damage.

Yeah, not believing that.

Why would town accuse his neighbor of being scum, then lie about being neighbors in the first place?

[The Goat]

Well, I believe the lying part. I don't believe that skitty is town.

[The Goat]

It's far less bad, because in this case it doesn't really do much to change the game for them. From here out they'll just play as normal.

Claiming survivor as scum is basically bussing your own slot for no reason, and completely ruins the game for your hydra partner.

Can you explain why on Earth they would do what they've done thus far as town? Because I can't.

I know for a fact they're lying, as well. My vote stays.

[The Goat]

Two more posts before I have to go:

CALED. CONFIRM THAT YOU ARE NEIGHBORS WITH GOAT. THANK YOU.

This would be a nice start, although...to be fair...I think Caled was sorta running on fumes personally. NS should do this immediately.

[The Goat]

It's far less bad, because in this case it doesn't really do much to change the game for them. From here out they'll just play as normal.

Claiming survivor as scum is basically bussing your own slot for no reason, and completely ruins the game for your hydra partner.

Can you explain why on Earth they would do what they've done thus far as town? Because I can't.

I know for a fact they're lying, as well. My vote stays.

HOW DO YOU KNOW??

Because Caled denied being my neighbor. I asked the skitty hydra, on our board, wtf they're doing. Called turned on me and accused me of chatting with scum.

[The Goat]

Uh?
Elabirate olease, I have no idea what that means. You are a day beighbiurizer, and caled denied your ability?

I am a Neighbor. That is my role. I am neighbors with skitty.

Caled denied this.

If this is a gambit of some sort, I would like a really good explanation.

[The Goat]

is it possible caled had not realized you're neighbors or something? even if they are scum, that's silly to do

No. We had acknowledged each other's existence on the board before my "what are you trying to do?" question.

[The Goat]

Re: The motivation questions, how the hell should *I* know?

[The Goat]

! posted Hi!

Caled posted Hi!

I read the thread, and noticed the survivor claim. Went back in the neighborhood thread, stated that that didn't seem to match up even remotely with my role. Asked what was going on.

Caled accused me of chatting with scum in game thread.

NS then answered with one single period in the neighborhood thread.

[The Goat]

Shos have you read the game, to have a basic idea of what is going on?

no. I explicitly said so, lol. I went to sleep - ten more pages - went to take a dump - 50 more - blinked - 3141596535 more. So no.

Re: The motivation questions, how the hell should *I* know?

Dunno. You said he was TOWN, didnt you? Or you just said he was not a survivor? Can a survivor not be a neighbour too?

And again - as ANY alignment - what benefit does denying this get?

I do not know who or what skitty is. I stated that very clearly.

Regarding what they're lying about, they're lying when they accuse me of chatting with scum and not being my neighbor. That tends to make me a bit wary.

[The Goat]

well in that case caled just didnt want to give out you're neighbors or something, not realizing ns had done it already?

makes more sense than refusing they're your neighbors.

pedit: @goat

Read it again, please.

Caled already knew we were neighbors, responded to me, then did not answer the question I posed on our board, and in the game thread accused me of chatting with scum.

[The Goat]

For clarification @Will

! posted Hi!

Caled posted Hi!

THE ABOVE TWO THINGS HAPPENED ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BOARD.

I read the thread, and noticed the survivor claim. Went back in the neighborhood thread, stated that that didn't seem to match up even remotely with my role. Asked what was going on.

Caled accused me of chatting with scum in game thread.

NS then answered with one single period in the neighborhood thread.

[The Goat]

It's far less bad, because in this case it doesn't really do much to change the game for them. From here out they'll just play as normal.

Claiming survivor as scum is basically bussing your own slot for no reason, and completely ruins the game for your hydra partner.

Can you explain why on Earth they would do what they've done thus far as town? Because I can't.

I know for a fact they're lying, as well. My vote stays.

goat boy i am here and I am listening. where did he say he wasn't in a neighbourhood with you exactly? cos i don't remember that. I actually just remember him not acknowledging it at all which was a bit weird.

Mollie:

Skitty, I would like direct answers to two questions when you return, please.

1) Why did you not answer my question on our board?

2) WTF is THIS?

i think goat is breadcrumbing that hes scum
obvs he asked a question in the scum pt and hes waiting for his buddy to answer him

If you're going to deny that we're neighbors, then this is going to go in a completely different direction.

1. its 4:30 am and i stayed up to do my history homework
bro if you want answers ask ur questions here but clearly you were asking the wrong person (aka ur scumbuddy)

2. u heard me do u wanna fight

[The Goat]

@ goat

I think that post looks scummy as hell but cos claed is denying that she is in a neighbourhood with you she is just not acknowledging it which is how I remembered it going down.

if they are being shitty in their hood I think it is largely cos notty (and moi) have played a large amount of games where there was scum in da hood. but having said that I still wanna hear from notty especially what games I am supposed to look at. what are your other thoughts cos I wld really love to hear them. I think you are town by the way.

@ ooba

what music do you like?

My other thoughts?

I'm a fan of Occam, and am becoming more and more suspicious of people who are trying to invent reasons for why Skitty did what they did. Maybe I'm tunneling because of my perspective on the situation, but the question I keep coming back to is

not

"Why would scum do that?" it's "Why would town do that?" And I can't come up with a good reason.

[The Goat]

Basically, my opinion about it is heavily biased and fueled more by a savage hatred for notscience's style of play which leads to me being more along the lines of flipping a table and being like "FINE, I WILL FOLLOW OTHERS REGARDING THIS FOR THE BLOOD MIST COVERS MY EYES"

So when everyone's like "leave skitty alive"

I leave well enough alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Cb2OQdmK4o

[The Goat]

Not really...I just love that clip.

[The Goat]

People in this game are WAY too apologetic. I usually witness at least one "I'm smarter than you" argument by this point.

[The Goat]

People in this game are WAY too apologetic. I usually witness at least one "I'm smarter than you" argument by this point.

wat. I am pretty sure I have stated that I am smarter than every1 that is why I am sheeping nacho.

If you were smarter than everyone, wouldn't Nacho be sheeping you?

[The Goat]

goat boy that was me attempting to banter/dance with you

That was me dancing and bantering back.

Don't be mad because my sense of humor is drier than yours.

[The Goat]

Long explanation of why I gambited-

In AW I played like total shit at the start intentionally to try and get myself wagoned (I was a Friendly Neighbor Named Townie thing so) and I used that to help get some good early reads. With that just finishing I was like "heh that was kinda fun" and decided to apply it here. When I saw that I have a hood, and if you've seen me in a hood game you know how I feel about hoods, I figured I'd claim it and then see how he responded, or even if he responded. Like I said before, I couldn't retract it early because I hadn't been able to get ANYTHING that I intended to get and I was like "well if I'm going to get a bunch of shit about this anyway I might as well wait it out until I get the read I was looking for." I didn't expect to be CC'd, and I did realize it was bastard when I first looked at the OP but I had already told the lie and had to stick with it, I didn't know it was bastard when I /in'd though.

So basically I don't like Goat's reaction and don't think he's town

VOTE: goat

btw and as such you'll have to out it here nacho because I think he's scum so where its outed makes no difference as to scum's knowledge.

Wait a minute.

So...you're claiming that this whole thing was a gambit...and that when I asked you, "Hey...your claim doesn't make any sense...are you running some sort of a gambit here?" that I guessed CORRECTLY, and that me being right somehow proves that I'm scum?

Okay. You're going to have to pardon me if I don't immediately think that you went "Oh, hey! Goat gave me a good idea! I'll pass this whole thing off as a gambit, and blame him for it, EVEN THOUGH HE'S THE ONE WHO BROUGHT IT UP ON OUR MESSAGE BOARD! THAT'LL BE HILARIOUS!"

NS, if you were any more full of crap, you'd need to be zoned for septic.

[The Goat]

I would think they were scum.

Gambiting implies a belief I am town doing this.

Like I feel like he approached this with a view that I am town despite all of that going on, and it doesn't make sense for why town wouldn't be paranoid or why would town even think to ask why I was doing something when several people asked in the main thread and I didn't answer, it looked like scum going through the motions

Of course I tend to confbias when it comes to neighbors but

pedit-

I need to look at his ISO. I read him incorrectly in Fakegod's game but I'll take a look after I make some lunch.

At the time I asked the question, it seemed like the only logical explanation if you were town.

The subsequent lack of communication and lying by your other head makes your story less than believable.

[The Goat]

Except I had intended it as such the entire time.

and It's not because you're

right

it's that the connotation of the word gambit implies you thought I was town. Which frankly, shouldnt have been the case after that spectacle.

Horse hockey.

Did you also tell your other head to lie and pretend that we weren't even on a board together?

[The Goat]

Explain how what is the only logical explanation for what?

What I find most baffling about this is that YOU don't trust ME. You lied, then your hydra partner lied, and somehow my reaction to all this lying (basically "Hey! They're lying!") is causing you to vote me?

You're either insane or scum.

Oh, and if you didn't like my initial reaction to your "gambit" because I should have thought you were scum...

how else can you read my vote for you

? I voted for you, then basically asked on our board "wtf are you doing?"

None of what you're saying, doing, or contending makes the slightest bit of sense. Vote stays.

[The Goat]

I don't trust neighborhoods as a default

It's like you walked into a feminist rally wearing a tshirt with a girl in a bikini on it

Your reaction to it was BEFORE it was outed as a lie. Your reaction was to assume we're town for lying (also, you asked before she lied so!)

And that was clearly a pressure vote so I answered your question, nice try though.

Dude, I don't even understand what you're on about. I did not assume you were town for lying. I voted you because I didn't believe your claim. Then I asked you (hydra) what the hell you were trying to do.

Your partner basically ignored the whole damn thing, pretending it wasn't happening.

You didn't answer me for a DAY. And now you show up, "AHA! HE FELL FOR IT!"

Monkey muffins.

[The Goat]

Waiting for an answer to a question before proceeding further....

Yes. This is the part when I posted on our board asking what you were trying to do, and then your hydra partner accused me of chatting with scum instead of your hydra.

[The Goat]

Skitty, if you're telling the truth, that was about the most dumbass litmus test ever. And I'm still not convinced that's the case.

[The Goat]

He prolly is, goat.

Do you have any other reads?

No.

Not yet. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one. This is the way this went down in my head:

Skitty1: "I'm a giraffe! Look at me! I'm harmless and tasty!"
Me: "Hi! Wait. What? What the hell are you talking about? I don't think you're a giraffe. We're hanging out together, and I'm a water buffalo...are you pretending to be a giraffe and trying to catch a lion?"
Skitty2: "Water Buffalo? I don't know you, Water Buffalo. Hey, everyone! That water buffalo looks like he has lions for friends!"
Me: "Huh? Wait...WHAT?"
Me: "Everyone, I'm pretty sure that Skitty2's not telling the truth here...me and the "giraffe" are hanging out together privately...
Skitty1: "Yes, and you fell right into my trap! YOU'RE A LION! HA!"
Me: "What?"
Skitty1: "See, if you weren't a lion, you wouldn't have believed I was a giraffe!"
Me: "But...I DIDN'T believe you were a giraffe..."
Skitty1: "Then why did you automatically assume I was trying to catch a lion?"
Me: "Because that's the okay thing that made any sense!"
Skitty1: "I'm not sure I believe you."
Me: "Crazy-ass giraffe wannabe...."

[The Goat]

From the sounds of the meta read there is something that t woh, skitty, and the other hydra dont want to disclose in the thread. This is fine. However Goat has access to a way to evaluate this info without it being disclosed. If everyone isnt stupid there is a good town reason for keeping it hidden I am not going to keep my vote on skitty demanding disclosure.

So if goat, who i am townreading, assesses the info and decides it is good enough for him to unvote, i will unvote. If it gets disclosed in the thread then i will evaluate it for myself.

I am not moving my vote until I get an adequate explanation for what the other hydra head did. What Caled did was so far off the map in relation to everything that is being proposed, both here and in the private thread, that I cannot make sense of it in any logical way. Her play and reactions do not correlate in any way to what NS is postulating.

The only response I've been given by NS so far is "I don't know." And that's not working for me.

There is indeed something else going on, but I'm starting to wonder if a lot of it isn't intentional obfuscation and fake crumbing, in the event that the initial claim didn't work out...which it didn't.

[The Goat]

From the sounds of the meta read there is something that t woh, skitty, and the other hydra dont want to disclose in the thread. This is fine. However Goat has access to a way to evaluate this info without it being disclosed. If everyone isnt stupid there is a good town reason for keeping it hidden I am not going to keep my vote on skitty demanding disclosure.

So if goat, who i am townreading, assesses the info and decides it is good enough for him to unvote, i will unvote. If it gets disclosed in the thread then i will evaluate it for myself.

I am not moving my vote until I get an adequate explanation for what the other hydra head did. What Caled did was so far off the map in relation to everything that is being proposed, both here and in the private thread, that I cannot make sense of it in any logical way. Her play and reactions do not correlate in any way to what NS is postulating.

The only response I've been given by NS so far is "I don't know." And that's not working for me.

There is indeed something else going on, but I'm starting to wonder if a lot of it isn't intentional obfuscation and fake crumbing, in the event that the initial claim didn't work out...which it didn't.

have u given an opinion about tiph if not do so now pls

I'm not going to just make something up, dude. I have no idea. I'll get to that ASAP, but I'd like to solve this little mystery first.

[The Goat]

From the sounds of the meta read there is something that t woh, skitty, and the other hydra dont want to disclose in the thread. This is fine. However Goat has access to a way to evaluate this info without it being disclosed. If everyone isnt stupid there is a good town reason for keeping it hidden I am not going to keep my vote on skitty demanding disclosure.

So if goat, who i am townreading, assesses the info and decides it is good enough for him to unvote, i will unvote. If it gets disclosed in the thread then i will evaluate it for myself.

I am not moving my vote until I get an adequate explanation for what the other hydra head did. What Caled did was so far off the map in relation to everything that is being proposed, both here and in the private thread, that I cannot make sense of it in any logical way. Her play and reactions do not correlate in any way to what NS is postulating.

The only response I've been given by NS so far is "I don't know." And that's not working for me.

There is indeed something else going on, but I'm starting to wonder if a lot of it isn't intentional obfuscation and fake crumbing, in the event that the initial claim didn't work out...which it didn't.

have u given an opinion about tiph if not do so now pls

I'm not going to just make something up, dude. I have no idea. I'll get to that ASAP, but I'd like to solve this little mystery first.

the times a changin the skitty wagon dissapatin
tiph wagon comes to town so stop bein a clown
word

Please don't ever do that again.

[The Goat]

Please don't ever do that again.

u making me frown r u rlly town?
im having my doubts, so help work this out
word

I have my own unique set of Policy Lynch rules, you know. Bad Freestyle is one of them.

[The Goat]

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ.

Okay...without doing a reread, I have mollie, JTS, and Bro as town.

You (Will) I'm not sure about. I think you picked up on what's going on, but that doesn't mean you're town. That actually concerns me more than anything.

I'm getting a mild scum read on Shos.

I'm was initially leaning scum on GGG, but am not sure now.

I have no read on TD.

That's what comes to mind.

[The Goat]

just bc hes town doesnt mean he can get away with being needlessly stubborn

Jesus Christ. You two are like conversing with a schizophrenic girlfriend I had in college.

TD has barely posted at all since this game started. If he was really active in other games, or posted frequently and then suddenly stopped, I could see that as a scum tell. I view him as a null read.

[The Goat]

oh man
you know
td's posts are very telling
maybe you should read them instead of harping on about other things

I *did* read them. Unless I iso'ed incorrectly.

[The Goat]

Stand by.

[The Goat]

well then
that was lackluster commentary on his posts
what do you think about his insistence on skitty being scum without reasons to think either way

Yeah, I did a search for him, then ended up iso-ing a different thread. My error.

I could see leaning scum on him, but I'm kinda reluctant to scum read someone because they post like a dick. I've been incorrectly influenced by that before.

If I get an adequate explanation for yesterday's shenanigans, I'll walk down that avenue with you and see where it leads, okay?

[The Goat]

Tiphs posts are lackluster how do you expect goat to give anything better


I think you should stop disturbing the goat I like the goat

It's okay, personality #2. I screwed up the iso. There's more there than I originally thought.

[The Goat]

@goat

Have you gotten anything in your neighbour thread from skitty regarding why she gambit end the way she did.

No.

[The Goat]

She has not reappeared, and NS has basically stated "I dunno"

[The Goat]

I'm guessing Notty hasn't explained anything to Goat because Goat's still voting Notty.

Correct. With the exception of one "I'm busy, I'll post tomorrow" post from NS post over 24 hours ago on our neighbor board, the entire hydra has disappeared. That's not making me feel warm and fuzzy; that's making me feel "are they just lurking and hoping everyone will find something bright and shiny and wander off?"

I ain't movin. Goats are stubborn that way.

[The Goat]

I'm guessing Notty hasn't explained anything to Goat because Goat's still voting Notty.

Correct. With the exception of one "I'm busy, I'll post tomorrow" post from NS post over 24 hours ago on our neighbor board, the entire hydra has disappeared. That's not making me feel warm and fuzzy; that's making me feel "are they just lurking and hoping everyone will find something bright and shiny and wander off?"

I ain't movin. Goats are stubborn that way.

Also, the explanation should come from Caled, not NS. NS has claimed he doesn't know.

[The Goat]

I'm guessing Notty hasn't explained anything to Goat because Goat's still voting Notty.

Correct. With the exception of one "I'm busy, I'll post tomorrow" post from NS post over 24 hours ago on our neighbor board, the entire hydra has disappeared. That's not making me feel warm and fuzzy; that's making me feel "are they just lurking and hoping everyone will find something bright and shiny and wander off?"

I ain't movin. Goats are stubborn that way.

Also, the explanation should come from Caled, not NS. NS has claimed he doesn't know.

waiting on a lurker
who is the lurkiest one in a lurking slot
who has literally only posted like 5 posts herself this game
is going to get you nowhere fast

Our friendly dayvig should kill the cat

Next

Bloodthirsty thang, aren't you?

I'm not in a huge rush; specifically if the allusions others are making are accurate. But I'm staying here until I get an explanation, we flush lurky lurkerpants out of hiding, or we start coming up against a deadline. You all can do as you want.

[The Goat]

boy
you're really doing a good job at flushing the lurky lurkerpants out of hiding right now
i mean its not like skitty hasn't posted for two days despite this pressure

What pressure? You mean people jumping OFF the skitty wagon? I've been kinda quiet the past couple days, and other shiny objects have been cropping up.

I think I'm being patient and reasonable, but I'm sure as hell not gonna say, "aw, Skitty just decided to disappear...I might as well forget the whole thing." What would you do in my shoes?

[The Goat]

i really dont want to have to keep resorting to sarcastic comments with you
but you arent listening to reason at this point

If you feel that practice will improve your sarcasm, by all means, please continue.

[The Goat]

boy
you're really doing a good job at flushing the lurky lurkerpants out of hiding right now
i mean its not like skitty hasn't posted for two days despite this pressure

What pressure?

exactly

I think I'm being patient and reasonable, but I'm sure as hell not gonna say, "aw, Skitty just decided to disappear...I might as well forget the whole thing." What would you do in my shoes?

i would just put most of my attention elsewhere
there is literally zero point in focusing all your attention on someone who doesnt appear even when pressure is on them
when the skitty wagon was at it's high point ns was still lurking, caled was still lurking
there is not a single good reason for you, or anyone in the game to stall your content for a lurker
i dont care if you keep pushing it in every post but until you actually start doing things that are productive aside from lurker pressure im not gonna get off your case about it

No, NS was most active at the high point of the Skitty wagon. Then he claimed to have set a trap for me, was completely unable to explain his hydra partner's lying, then basically disappeared. Since that time, the town has started to dissipate and move in different directions.

If something more pressing rears its head, I'll move, but I'm not going to move just for the sake of moving, or because someone else thinks I've waited long enough. You're aware that this line of thinking basically CONDONES lurking as a defense to wagons, right?

Or is this your way of fighting me on a Skitty wagon?

[The Goat]

you dont understand what im trying to say
im not trying to say get rid of any pressure on lurkers at all
im trying to say that

only

pressuring lurkers is a great way to make yourself absolutely useless

Oh!

Well that's different, then.

I'll work on additional analysis.

[The Goat]

@goat please forget caled

and start playing the game

if ns did explain his actions to you, you even have a starting point to begin from - people's different ways of handling his gambit.

Absolutely, positively not. Not after what occurred.

And not forgetting does not mean I can't be productive elsewhere. I'l re-read at some point today or tomorrow.

[The Goat]

@goat please forget caled

and start playing the game

if ns did explain his actions to you, you even have a starting point to begin from - people's different ways of handling his gambit.

Absolutely, positively not. Not after what occurred.

And not forgetting does not mean I can't be productive elsewhere. I'l re-read at some point today or tomorrow.

so be productive. you've done nothing other than talk about skitty all game.

Yes. A neighbor who denies being my neighbor and accuses me of talking to scum when I'm talking to

her

tends to attract my attention.

[The Goat]

Weird. One of my posts just completely disappeared or did not post.

[The Goat]

@Goat: I understand your concern regarding Notty. However, I think there's a chance he won't explain anything to you until Day 2. And if I were him, I wouldn't explain it to you right now either. If he doesn't come clean to you tomorrow, not only do you have my blessing to lynch him, I'll lead the wagon. I'm of the belief that people shouldn't be allowed to be given a free ride just because of their claim, but I believe explaining what's going on might be very detrimental for the town.

I think there are better votes. I'm currently reading TD as scum, and I'd be willing to write you a shoddy case (sometime within the next two days when I have time) if you'd be willing to take my word that lynching Skitty is a terrible idea today.

This is what I replied to. Odd.

Winter, I'll certainly move to a better scum candidate if I see one. But I have yet to see one. I'll to a reread and see if anything presents itself.

Okay? Everybody happy?

[The Goat]

Winter, I'll certainly move to a better scum candidate if I see one. But I have yet to see one. I'll to a reread and see if anything presents itself.

Okay? Everybody happy?

yes, as long as you don't then post "ok i reread and i see nothing scummy enough to make me forget skitty"

We want opinions on other things from you regardless.

Ever get the feeling that someone REALLY wants a specific wagon to just

go away

? I'm getting that feeling from a few people. If anything, that's making me more reluctant to move.

I'm going to read again, and discuss. If I find a better candidate, I'll move. If I don't, I won't.

[The Goat]

he's scummy, yes. is he scum? not necessarily. The possibility of him being mislynch fodder is there. We should ignore it because..?

because it's better than lynching bulba
news flash wisdom: you literally just voted someone who you

claimed in thread

that you have

difficulty reading

and you're saying that his defense on someone you

called scum with confidence and lead the wagon on

is a whiteknight against a townplayer

you didn't do a 180, you fucking did a 270 in your reads here, and with no real reason other than the fact that you are being a paranoid idiot right now

Did...did you just accuse him of taking a jughandle to make a left?

[The Goat]

[The Goat]

Sonic: A jughandle is a Northeast US (mostly NJ) abomination that basically makes someone loop around 270 degrees to make a left turn. It was a pre-caffeinated attempt at humor.

[The Goat]

See, THIS is more the mafia crew I'm used to; a smattering of egocentric, smarter-than-you, dismissive, "I will shoot thunderbolts out of my ass if you do not recognize my reads" players mixed in with wiseasses. NOW I'm a little more comfortable.

I would like a widsom/AA9 cage match, please.

Started my reread; still not seeing a huge case for TD, and it's making me want to scrutinize that wagon more closely...specifically because some on it are simultaneously demanding justification for TDs scumread on Skitty and listing gut reads of their own.

More as I can; gotta finish Christmas prep this weekend. If I don't re-engage before Christmas, Mele Kaliki-fuckin-maka to you all.

[The Goat]

Yeah we got that already.

bringing up to notice:
Skitty Dec 12, 08:24pm Dec 17, 07:34am 3 days 7 hours 93

Yeah...ya think?

[The Goat]

huh?
I'm pointing out that Skitty is to be found.

Yes. I was agreeing with you.

[The Goat]

both notsci and me have been super busy like all week so we'll get back to you once he stops sleeping i guess

Seriously, how much can one or two people sleep? This is all that has been posted in game thread since last Tuesday, with a similar note promising more information in our neighborhood thread on Thursday.

All I'm getting at this point is more irritated.

[The Goat]

hey mollie
its om
to break up the sonic stream of thought posts thats been goin on for the last like 12 hours

has zzzx's absences changed your read on him?
i think he's slipping away out of the focus

zzthing is not even a blip on the radar.

I am feeling lately (and I play larges a lot and I am personally getting tired of this trend) that there is this huge divide between the lurkers and active players. <----- unhealthy dynamic IMO cos it gives scum room to hide. why is this happening?

scum seem to be hiding in the lurkers and I am trying to figure why this is happening

and why this sometimes escapes town, emp's upick large game and the reckoning come to mind.

Because is nobody is really voting for them...so why should they stop lurking?

[The Goat]

Tell me what we get from a skitty lynch?

Because I currently see no upside.

I don't believe they aren't survivor at this point so we get no chance of scum flip.

They have no interactions meaning we get no information either.

Okay. Here goes:

They already stated that the survivor claim was a gambit.

This happened after their claim got them run up. This was supposedly constructed to gauge MY reaction, even though I wasn't even around. I did not check in to the game until WELL AFTER they made their "survivor" claim. They've also hinted at something else, which they have shared with me more extensively in our neighborhood thread. The problem with that is that

other players have also seen this,

so I'm not sure how much of a secret that is any more. I'm starting to think that bread crumbing is also a lie.

There's also the little matter of one of the hydra heads completely lying about sharing a board with me, basically denying that it existed. They have now told MULTIPLE lies, and then disappeared rather than explaining them. It's as though the two heads of that hydra totally FUBARed something by contradicting each other, and don't know how to resolve it.

I'm researching bastard mod games, and am starting to develop a nasty suspicion about what they

really

are. I'm pretty damned sure they need to die.

[The Goat]

welp that's fucking fantastic

Skitty wagon is bad and everyone on it should feel bad. we are not lynching them today. if you do not want to lynch Bulba for whatever reason, get the fuck on either BRO or TD or come up with something, but I can't possibly be the only person who's noticing the momentum shift that's going on right now.

They

Are

Lying.

About more than one thing. I'd really love to focus on other persons playing, as I have been requested to put in effort elsewhere. However, those who are adamant in the "We're not lynching Skitty today and that's final" crew, coupled with Skitty's general unwillingness to explain WTF they did is making things difficult.

[The Goat]

About more than one thing. I'd really love to focus on other persons playing, as I have been requested to put in effort elsewhere. However, those who are adamant in the "We're not lynching Skitty today and that's final" crew, coupled with Skitty's general unwillingness to explain WTF they did is making things difficult.

the only thing I remember about them lying was caled denying being a neighbor with you? I think that post was pretty obviously a joke and I think you're taking it way too literally. NS at the least has def trolled in a similar way before, and I'm pretty sure caled would as well.

I agree that _if_ NS hasn't yet fully explained what he did in the neighbor QT he should go ahead and do that. however,

1. NS tends to get irrationally paranoid of neighbors, so I don't particularly think the way he's skeptical about it is indicative
2. I think this is a completely dumb thing for NS-scum to actually lie about, so I don't think his lack of giving answers points to him hiding anything.

the latter point in particular is of interest (and is smth I find 99% of players outright ignore when they think they pick up on someone hiding smth) and is the reason none of this about "lol he lied about xxx" matters to me. combined with the fact that I know exactly what he's trying to do here and that it'd be suicidal to even try to attempt smth like it as scum in this scenario, is why they're basically as conftown as an IC for this.

I have no intention of budging on this read nor arguing about it. this is how it is.

Noted. I'm not moving, either. Plus, next time I'm in a game with you, I'm going to randomly make up stuff, while in the same time crumb stuff about popsicles. Then, when called on it on day 2, I'm going to say "I wasn't claim A, I'm claim B! I'm REALLY Jesus H. Christ on a Popsicle Stick!" It was all a clever ruse!

You better back me up.

More tomorrow, because I'm mildly frustrated, irritated and drunk.

[The Goat]

Oh.

Hi!

[The Goat]

Sorry about that...I figured out what was going on once NS told me yesterday he was a cop and told me he was going to investigate me last night.

If I came out and said "He's faking cop, is a lyncher, and is going to fake a guilty on me tomorrow," it would have thrown everything into an uproar., because it would end up being pretty evident that we both had the same role. All I could really do is state my doubt, point out the gambit, and stand my ground, hoping other people would do the heavy lifting.

Thanks for that.

Yes...I'm still in the game.

[The Goat]

FWIW, there were two or three people that saw the cop gambit, and tried to protect Skitty because of it. I'm leaning heavily town on those persons.

[The Goat]

Goat, will you have a vote?
Are you effectively a treestump?
Have you actually properly won?

Yes.
No.
Yes.

[The Goat]

Do you have any sort of plan for your vote?

Is there any way for us to trust what you argue?

I do not have a plan right now. I've been partying for pretty much three straight days. I intend to help town as best I can.

Regarding whether you trust me or not...why does that matter to me? You can either believe me or not, but there aren't any consequences to me if you don't...because I've already won.

If you believe me, awesome. I'm just trying to be helpful.

If you don't believe me, you can probably start some sort of a movement to lynch me or get me dayvigged. That doesn't make much sense from a town perspective, as it would waste a day or a vig.

It's really your call.

[The Goat]

I would prefer if, to reduce confusion, you agreed to do something simple like just vote the largest wagon whenever you can or something like that.

Mainly because as you said, it doesn't matter to you.

I'm not going to be an ass, if that's what you're concerned about...but I'd like to think that I can offer a completely neutral perspective. It's pretty evident that in this game, an awful lot of you aren't going to trust each other in the slightest.

[The Goat]

You know, for a town player you are way too abrasive AA9.

Lol - your reach out could have been better phrased. See no reason to get AA9 riled up.

@Goat: Are you now a secret SK\scum member? Can you be lynched? Can you be targeted for night actions?

No. As far as I know. As far as I know.

[The Goat]

can he get recruited by cult?

This is a fair and interesting question that I considered before I decided to keep playing.

Why would cult recruit me, when I've already won?

Seriously, if someone can give me a scenario in which I'd have motivation to be anti-town, I'm all ears.

[The Goat]

Because you'd still count towards the majority they need plus nobody wants to get rid of you. You're the perfect recruit if it's possible.

I'd be the worst recruit ever, and here's why.

Ready?

Hey cult...if you're out there, and you recruit me...I'm tellin'.

[The Goat]

Point being, if you're cult, do you risk it?

I figure that the absolute worst thing I can be for the town is a bullet stopper, so to speak.

But, if town doesn't believe me, there's the vig/lynch option.

[The Goat]

Point being, if you're cult, do you risk it?

I figure that the absolute worst thing I can be for the town is a bullet stopper, so to speak.

But, if town doesn't believe me, there's the vig/lynch option.

[The Goat]

Well, that was weird.

[The Goat]

my question is, what motivates you to help town over other factions now that you've won?

I'd love to spout some wonderful prose about my innate sense of right and wrong (which does have bearing), but the truth is, it's just easier helping town. I'm motivated by the simple things: Boobs, alcohol, punishing evil, that sort of stuff. I'd just like to chill for a bit and help as I can. As I see it, you can accept me at my word, ignore me, or kill me.

[The Goat]

goat will prob play 4 fun. town wining is not fun most of teh time i guess...

You don't know me very well.

F.O.S.

[The Goat]

Also: Anyone who runs down DGB when she's not in the thread will be generally considered a toolbag. Please don't do that.

[The Goat]

For what it's worth, I am definitely not responsible for shos being dead.

[The Goat]

While I can see the case for a couple others, I'm going with my gut until convinced otherwise.

Vote: zzzzx

[The Goat]

IF, in the future, someone wants to pass out an item that might kill the wielder, I'd be a good choice. Just saying.

Plus, I'd try to make it amusing.

[The Goat]

No.
You shouldnt even still be here.

Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[The Goat]

IF, in the future, someone wants to pass out an item that might kill the wielder, I'd be a good choice. Just saying.

Plus, I'd try to make it amusing.

Nice and subtle, goat

What?

I'm being insanely honest. I have

nothing

to gain or lose. I've already won. I am going to play for town as best I can for the remainder of this game. If a cult recruits me, I'll expose every last one of them. If someone wants to manipulate a known SK or mafia person on to me, awesome. Got a town-usable device that MIGHT blow up when you use it? Gimme.

Seriously. All I have to lose at this point in time is future reputation. Why on Earth would I screw that up?

[The Goat]

Is anyone wanting to claim ownership of the shos kill, because it might have been me but I have no idea?

IF it was me then that is very important for two reasons.

For obvious reasons, if someone else was responsible for the kill, I don't think they're going to claim it. And if asked about it, they'd probably just lie.

They might not be. Because of shos' role, if I was responsible for the kill, then that means he had a reason to do what he did, which means we can retrospecively look at my reads and think who he would have wanted lynched.

That said there is very little reason for me to not claim.

I am 95% certain I am a PGO.

To my point, if someone wishes to pass me an item with which I can confirm this, I will happily do so.

[The Goat]

The good thing is that if I do confirm from Goat, mafia have to 1v1 to kill me or we get an effective IC all the way up to lylo.

This being said, what was the role you were TOLD you have?

[The Goat]

Huh.

Okay.

[The Goat]

if the bomb was from an inventor, give something to goat.

Scum aint gonna kill him because that would be hella dumb so if he can confirm my role that'd be hella sweet.

Finally, a voice of reason!

[The Goat]

Can someone explain to me how defending Skitty yesterday was scummy? Because I don't see the slightest bit of scum motivation to do it. We were both self-aligned with the exact same role, and only communicated with each other.

[The Goat]

Well that was an interesting few pages...

Pretend for a second I'm abysmally stupid. How does tracking a person to MS = cult?

[The Goat]

Well...this L-1 hesitation is pretty telling.

[The Goat]

Holy tap-dancing crap you guys post a lot.

[The Goat]

If anything I'm worse now than I was when I started playing.

Do you know how shitty that feels?

If it's of any consolation, I've been playing Werewolf on another site for over ten years, and I'm awful. Not too long ago, I had a role as GGRP Ares, the God of War, and due to miscommunication, ended up attacking and killing my father, the GGRP Zeus.

So there's that.

[The Goat]

The Goat will be removed from the game if he does not post by (expired on 2015-01-25 14:05:01)

FYI he did PM me over the night phase.

Probably for the best. I lost track of this game yesterday (game phase).