Capcom Crossover Chaos - GAME OVER~

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tough luck om, xay is not going to listen to you over me

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bulba is super duper duper super town

nope

if he's so town, then you should be able to explain why

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i would if you explained but you still havent

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so if you know how to read bulba, explain why he is town

site his posts and show the town things

if you're so good at reading him, that should be easy

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nvm the case, xay. read bulba yourself, and tell me if insisting he is obvtown like ms/om have been doing is in any way warranted.

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Bulba's probably town

explain

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he argued that somewhere

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also before you think it, they denied being masons

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thats not rolefish. when you're being so stupidly confident in a townread that doesn't make any sense the only thing someone can think is that you somehow KNOW he is town.

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thats not rolefish. when you're being so stupidly confident in a townread that doesn't make any sense the only thing someone can think is that you somehow KNOW he is town.

yea but you dont ask those suspicions in thread no no no
i am 99% sure you called it a rolefish too

you do. ask your hydra buddy if townies do it or not, he should know.

and no i didnt call it a rolefish because it clearly isnt.

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Bulba's probably town

explain

Because he reminds me of myself when I've been really sure of a town read in the past.

i dont understand this

what townread is bulba sure of?

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i want to see where you'll hide if he flips scum

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@tammy
ok so why is bulba town

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hohoho, no, since when do townies rolefish like that? Never!

Wisdom tsktsk

yeah except when you're called ms and you out masons and prs just because

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@xay/mtd nacho's case was here btw

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You know what, I'm getting sick and tired of this crap, so this is your one and only reach out. Nacho, Wisdom, get the crap off of me, listen to Sonic, and start learning to read between the freaking lines. This wagon is crap, and you should feel bad. Is it not making either of you paranoid that it's building so fast where every other wagon has stalled? Get your heads on straight, realize that this wagon is scum driven, and get off! If I end up dying in the first day phase of this game, I will make sure neither of you ever live this down and will force you to sheep me for the rest of eternity. Do I make myself clear?

no. wagon speed is rarely alignment indicative, and much less now that we're in full apathy mode and everyone just wants a lynch so that the game doesn't completely die. People are starting compromising.

I see nothing to indicate this wagon is scumdriven. Everyone on your wagon is more or less town.

Your "listen to sonic" is still bullshit. You should be paranoid that he is claiming a 500% confident townread on you yet you don't care at all. You have done nothing even remotely town. It is not warranted. Yet you find it normal. Bullcrap.

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dont know if scum gang up so obviously

more likely bulba scum and bro town

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id look more at people who are sheeping ms' idiocy to call bulba town, like southern belles

but lets not talk associatives before flip anyway

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That still wasn't rolefishing.

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Espeonage you prolly misunderstood, redacted had nothing to do with bulba

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Bulba, not skitty

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what
Did you mean to address ms?

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Also, last thing to BRO:

What do you think of Bulbazak saying that he demonstrated time and time again why what AA9 was saying was blatantly false when he'd done literally nothing of that sort before that point in his ISO?

I'm gonna fact-check this when I have more time, since I don't remember this at all. Would do it now, but AP's on his way to go hang out.

Did you ever fact-check or did you forget because I'm a horrible mafia player not worth your time?

Too ridiculous to be made up theory?

It's sort of like the scum are on/off the survivor wagon logic. Someone could get to either conclusion with reasonable assumptions (meaning scum can fake whatever their town self would do their easily), so trying to get actionable conclusions from it is pointless.

This reasoning sucks or you're communicating it wrong.
Try again?

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OK I literally can't get through the Metal Sonic spam pages so I'm ignoring literally all of that and focusing on Bulbazak finally responding.

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This is false. I base a lot of my reads on how a player sounds and feels.

Hilariously Unbalanced Mafia: you stopped using the sounds and feels crap after the RVS vote was over. Your correct push on VoidedMafia was based on flaws in his reasoning, your correct push on Sonic/Titus was based on their crazy coasting, and your push on EddieFenix was based on him defending scum as soon as they got to be L-1. This is a more typical game for you: the current game you've been trying to play here is a bunch of feels far past the point where pushing on people because "feels" is acceptable.

I actually don't see the problem with this. This was in response to Sonic, and I made it known that while I believed both claims, the Major one was the most believable of the two.

Here's the post:

yea but i s2g
i read her posts
and she sounds sneaky
its all like "we have daycop to do the job"
and it just sounds super duper bullshit to me
idk man

also im probably gonna have to collab with ms when he finally gets on skype or smth to go over the role claims and shit but my opinion on skitty is that skitty can be dealt with another day but today is not the day to do it. im more inclined to vote UT rather than skitty/major today if it were purely on a claim basis.

1) That's not Sonic.
2) This post doesn't talk about Skitty/Major as a dichotomy, it talks about UT/Survivor claims as a dichotomy.

Try again.

Yes, the large anti-Survivor sentiment surprised me. It's one of a few third party roles that hurts no one, so the hate for it doesn't make sense to me. As such, I thought it would be the perfect place for scum to hide.

For scum... to hide... by themselves?
Do you see the problem in believing that only scum would attack a survivor claim?

How is this a bad point? AA9 used lurking as a reason for me being scum. This coming in a game that has a tendency to pack on 20 pages overnight and in which I've fallen consistently behind. I also have a tendency to disappear during the weekends, hence the new addition to my sig. Beyond all of that, if she seriously thought I was avoiding this game, then looking into my activity should have been her first priority. Instead, she focuses on a weak point, my absence, as a reason to push me, which is scummy as heck Nacho.

She called you out for lurking.
She doesn't need to look into your activity to call you out for lurking: if you have reasons, you explain them when you get back. Her not looking into his activity isn't scummy: you know this because in mastin's game that just ended you were happy to call Sonic Boom scum for coasting without looking at either's onsite activity >.>

What part of being behind don't you get? From my perspective catching up, AA9 has posted infrequently, hence the points from page 7 hold just as much weight.

Then lurking's the bigger problem.
It's also a massive problem that page 7 stuff was still the only thing that stood out to you when you had managed to get pretty fucking deep into a game.

Then you haven't been playing in the right games, because Mastin has accused me of it before.

Where?

GGG-scum > AA9-scum. So when GGG starts piggybacking on AA9's reasoning, alarms go off in my head and I start thinking buddying, which makes me doubt my AA9 read. This is the most natural progression imaginable, Nacho, and I'm surprised you didn't see it.

Since when the fuck was GGG scum > AA9 scum considering AA9 scum was all you talked about the entire game...?

AA9 didn't join the UT wagon.

the question of the day still remains, Can we believe UT claim or not?
Let's just say that he is being honest about this claim and he is really the person who he claims to be... A) What will we loose by lynching him? vs B) What issues we will have to face if cult gets activated? . These are questions that everyone should ask themselves to sort the UT's place. It's not really hard. It will be a choice.

I am quite clear on this... WE SHOULD LYNCH HIM TODAY. If there is any truth in his claims means.. Town have less chances to win because there is always someone stupid enough to target him, And to give more better reasons. We at least don't have to deal this issue tomorrow again. If he is scum and playing a clever gambit? its even better!!!!!!

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you commented on this post.

Besides UT and Skitty, show me where I've done this.

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I've tried every single method that I can imagine to reach out to the three of you that I can imagine, and I am disappointed that my efforts have been for naught. Save for speaking in Japanese to you, Since it appears, that you, along with the likes of Wisdom, do not understand basic fucking English. "Bulba is town" three god damn words, and it goes over your head like I'm speaking a foreign language.

The only method you tried was repeating the same tired nonsense over and over again. You're also shutting down scumhunting on scummy people in a very anti-town way: if you are masons with Bulbazak (which is what the between the line shit seems to be saying), you are masons with Bulbazak in a bastard game, which means you should at least let other methods of pressuring him reach their natural conclusion unless you have real reasons to defend him. If you have real reasons to defend him, don't spam 10 pages with nothingness and instead just defend him with real reasons because screaming "oh you should trust me I don't know why you aren't trusting me" doesn't work when I feel just as strongly about Bulbascum as you do about Bulbatown and you won't let me even talk to him when you can't produce real reads and you absolutely lose your shit when people don't listen to you even though it's fairly obvious why people are not listening to you?

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If I have time tomorrow, I will take time to dive into this game again but I agree with general sentiment that a lynch is needed and less clutter will be for the better. I think the budding Espeonage wagon sucks. I would be happier if we could approach the Bulba situation with more cards on the table because I think it would make the game much much more bearable.

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adorkable then why aren't you voting bulba?

goat i believe I asked you repeatedly to comment on non-skitty things and you're still not doing it.

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They're not masons, pie asked him and ms said no. Besides, ms is not the type to keep that hidden. He would have said so ages ago.

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get the fuck back on bulba

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I fucking lol at how people easily discarded the daycop claim but bought the mason one

They don't fucking have knowledge about bulba's alignment. It's glaringly obvious if you've been following their posts. They just think bulba might be town for whatever reason and they will claim whatever is necessary to not allow him to get lynched.

Screw whether masons are bastard or not. They're not even masons. Just fucking ignore ms claims and lynch bulba.

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Wis

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Bro. Skitty's not getting lynched

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But how come you're asking bro or skitty? Bro doesn't even have any votes on him.

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Do you think ms is scum?

It isn't impossible, but most likely he's just moronic town as usual

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TD has 3 I think

Maybe you mean GGG? That's the actual other major wagon

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Bulba is just a perfect lynch because I will never be able to read him and it just gives information about tons of people, which we badly need in this gamestate.

Think about all the other possible lynches and what they give us. Nothing comes even close to bulba.

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Skitty won't happen

TD and GGG are people I haven't played with before, but from what I can tell they just have a weird playstyle that attracts attention, making them lynchbait. I don't feel either is scum.

Other than those I don't think any other wagon will become viable today

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A mental lynch gives us similar info though, and helps with the postclutter

Bulba has actually been scummy, ms has only been annoying. Above all we should try and lynch someone who has a decent chance of being scum.

Plus, ms hasn't been wagoned or discussed as much as bulba has. There have been more stances on bulba from various people. Therefore more info.

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You'll know later in the game regarding skitty, he was doing something

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no, but activity is not alignment indicative, so

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not happening

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I've answered that already arc

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Why did you unvote bulba?

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I liked how she remained on bulba in her last post, unphased by the fact people were leaving the wagon, but she completely nullified that now :/

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I want to know if people still think

funny, you're doing what you accused td of doing

Point being it's not alignment indicative

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Arc you don't make sense. Do you or do you not want to lynch bulba? You say "I don't want to lynch a claimed mason" and then you say "I don't believe he's a mason" and "if not bulba today". What do you actually want?

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Suddenly, Day 1 becomes infinitely more hilarious.

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that explains why goat wouldnt stop focusing on skitty

anyway cool, one less distraction

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yeah nacho told me he has done that before

what does that matter now?

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personally the crumb didn't mean much to me as I don't see why can't scum or a survivor crumb cop, but Nacho insisted that this plus the reachout probably meant they are actually the cop and I should not insist on pushing there.

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i like aa

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can he get recruited by cult?

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Because you'd still count towards the majority they need plus nobody wants to get rid of you. You're the perfect recruit if it's possible.

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Oh. Hadn't thought of that

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But how do we know you'd do this? Without a wincon, you have as much reason to help cult as you have for helping town. In fact the former looks more fun for someone in your position imo

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I'd argue the same replacing cult with town

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my question is, what motivates you to help town over other factions now that you've won?

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Don't really think any conversation about the Goat that isn't "I trust the shit out of him" is fruitful.

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VOTE: bulba [\v]

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VOTE: bulba

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blah blah

whiis scum mollie?

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who is*

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shos iso says arc and bro aint mafia

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Omfg three scum caugght

Deathnote bro andzzzx

maybe a mafia in here

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but iirc bro and DN are scum too, and someone else too but I can't remember

which prolly is zzzx judging from this

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2. dramopnic is scum and he's with bulba. see how he keeps saying 'you ahve no proof'? proof is a word that means FACT. if I don't have the proof, then it is still a fact, but I just cannot prove it. as in, "pythagoras was right" "prove itf" against "pythagoras was wrong" "convince me".

I won't vote Bulba before I see a dramonic flip

those are interesting too

bulba is prolly scum with him and he's trying to connect bulba to dram

meaning dram most likely isnt mafia either

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theyre not masons i explained that already

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then you havent been reading the game

but then you never do so

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^above was @mollie obv

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why is he town again?

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He can die after he gets inevitably culted.

and why are you assuming this didn't already happen?

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so does his scum play.

and they are not masons.

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because ms is town (unless cult'd), bulba is mafia

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he fake claimed daycop with an inno on him, masons, and whatever else he could think of because he thinks bulba is town.

thats all there is to it.

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ugh.

would you say that you've put me in a position similar to the one you are currently in, recently? simple y/n will suffice.

Also now that Touhou is over, I can talk about this more.

In Touhou, I was masons with pieguy. And MS thought he had a guilty on pieguy and tried to get him lynched D2, making me out myself and pie as masons.

So pie asked him here, quite obviously, if he (MS) is in the reverse position (pie was pushing Bulba).

MS denied this.

They're not fucking masons. He could answer yes here and pass the message to pie. It would stop him from pushing Bulba. He said no.

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btw guess who pie suspected other than bro

and then he died

probably because they didn't except shos to die so bro would be nicely framed

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no I was talking about bulba

Also leave arc alone

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see shos iso. Does she make sense as his buddy to you?

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we're not either, don't tire your brain

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Now that Touhou is over, I got way more firepower against you

what firepower do you have? I killed two scum and got another one lynched in Touhou, what did you do except making townies out their roles?

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If they are scum, they can't hide forever. soon or later the truth will come out.

Except it's already out

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Bulba is town. Get over it.

Which you still never explained. Go on.

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Wait. why are you clearing Dram here but not Bulba who is a claimed mason?

Because read the fucking post. Shos was connecting dram to bulba and refusing to vote bulba until he sees dram flip. He never voted bulba despite it being supposedly a scumread of his even when bulba was the top wagon.

Fuck the mason claim. I have explained repeatedly why it's fake.

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I like AA9 and she is not a VI

you finally said something right

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I like AA9 and she is not a VI

This game proves otherwise.

How has arc even remotely been a VI in this game?

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Bulbazack (duh)

"duh", yet you still haven't explained.

How about you explain it on the same level you just explained nacho?

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Bulba is not-scum.

Explain?

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Esp you prolly wanted nacho regarding setup things so I'll let him talk to you

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kagami was uberscummy and got lynched D1, your point being?

Again, what did you do in Touhou? I killed 3 scum.

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holy shit guys

i'm trying to keep up and trying to get in contact with my other head. he has possibly flaked because he hasn't replied me in forever. I want to wait for him to discuss this game but if I can't get a hold of him I'll just play alone till he comes back

until then I won't give input because I want to talk them out with him first, sorry about this. I'll wait 2-3 more days, hope that isnt too much to ask

i dont like this filler post

"i will play alone but i wont give input"

is this xay?

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so listen to the majority wisdom

i will when they explain why bulba is town

but wait, nobody can explain that

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except bulba is scum so

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Wis, are you definitely 100% certain that you are town?

unless the mod lies about alignments, yes

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@DN: Your options are AA9 and KBW. Don't fuck it up <3

terrible

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vig/lynch list in order of preference: {Bulba, Winter Skies, zzzx, PV, adorkable, ooba, TD}

aa9 is town and kbw is harmless

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i dont want to shoot a vi-mason, i want to shoot mafia

aa is town

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it sounded like he thought you're a desperado

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What do you think about Dram's comments about Shos throughout Day 1?

ill have to look at them because i dont remember

you can quote if you think you see something interesting

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Oh, right. As long as we're talking about cult and the like, if I were to make an educated guess, the person I think most likely to be cult leader is Gif.

why gif? hes not even in the game anymore, its elric brothers in his slot

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eeh. it could happen with town-dram too, dont see why not

pedit: gif did all that? i thought he had posted like once

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Wisdom's vote is a good one, but we really need to sort the UT thing out. UT can't be alive at night if he's telling the truth.

and how do you suggest we do that?

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Accept that he's not scum, and move on of course.

huh. he did.

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Tinfoil theory: skitty is a cult leader.

extra^

i wonder if cult had been brought up at all before this

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nvm derp ofc it had

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but then.. im like pretty sure xay would have recruited me. and it didnt happen

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well there's a good vig shot to consider, DN

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nope. At the point in time shos made the connection your wagon had not happened.

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You think those posts sound like scum Wisdom?

not sure if this is asking bulba if i sound like scum or asking me if bulba sounds like scum, but if the latter, then yes, bulba scum sounds no different than this.

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They have. Repeatedly. It's called masons.

which ive explained repeatedly that is bullshit

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Regardless, I still think that those posts point more towards Shos/Dram, as that's a more likely scum approach.

nope. He never voted you even when you had votes on you, despite being one of his scumreads. He had no issues voting dram.

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DN what did you think about shooting the elric brothers slot?

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wischo, you think shos and bulba are scum together, with aa9 as town -- have you looked at their posts together at all? because while iso'ing I noticed that shos flips his read on her basically at the height of her calling bulba scum. If shos and bulba are scum together, what is shos' motivation for doing this? it's like the complete opposite of a chainsaw defense if you are right about all of the above 3 alignments.

wrong. He flips his read when you and DN vote AA. That gives more of a reason to "reexamine" his read on AA, since it appears that a wagon is forming on his "scumread".

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holy shit guys

i'm trying to keep up and trying to get in contact with my other head. he has possibly flaked because he hasn't replied me in forever. I want to wait for him to discuss this game but if I can't get a hold of him I'll just play alone till he comes back

until then I won't give input because I want to talk them out with him first, sorry about this. I'll wait 2-3 more days, hope that isnt too much to ask

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DN what did you think about shooting the elric brothers slot?

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see page 137 re gif being likely cult leader

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that wasn't a case against you, that was why I thought you might not be cult leader

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see now im confused

you don't think im cult leader but you want me vigged?

or do you just think im cult?

i think you are, points against gif were valid

And you don't feel like town Xay either, you're somewhat awkward

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KBW isnt an alien. Why the fuck does an alien counterclaim a survivor? Makes no sense.

The "masons" are probably the aliens as was speculated previously except not werewolves.

I'd still like to see EB shot

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esp i dont understand your claim. you mean your pgo only works on aliens?

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He also defended skitty wagon which is NO

blame nacho thinking he's a cop. i wanted him lynched since the beginning

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oh ok

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he wasn't arguing it's scummy. He just wants to destroy my credibility

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well it isn't scummy

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VOTE: elric brothers

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if you want to vote ms, shouldnt you want to vote bulba too?

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also soft claiming a role whose death affects the scum team relatively negatively but not too much that it is worth lynch

me

for.

You as in. I didnt get this.

I am soft claiming a role which hurts mafia when killed/lynched

however the effect isnt really worth getting lynched for (its something small)

so me as in... me? I am not full claiming no role atm

most likely it did stop daytalk

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again why the fuck does an alien counterclaim survivor? It makes no sense. They'll be killed at some point.

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What's with the two MS votes?

Although, to be fair, I don't think any scum are going to even pursue that angle to lynch one of the masons. {TD\KBW}

Too bad on ZZZX - should have stuck to my initial gut feeling on that slot.

bad vibes from this post

they're not masons for the umpteenth time.

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@DN: Can you bomb someone so I can vote?

why so sure zzzx kill wasn't DN?

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oh, true. Also DN didn't claim the ut kill, did he?

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yeah nvm. DN thing was given to him so the execution isn't him.

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in which case, shoot elric brothers before they lay cult eggs, DN

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VOTE: winter skies

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he brought up this whole gif business because they had that result on elric brothers

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speaking of which, DN, I repeatedly point you to page 137 where I discussed GIF with Winter Skies and you keep ignoring me

but anyway, good shot

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also adorkable was right that just a black goo alone doesn't make sense as cult doesn't have any chance of winning. Even if UT was stupid and didn't claim it, it's ridiculously hard for a cult to get majority solely by people targetting UT.

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TWOH: Whats your take on that Elric might be cult?

He prolly still is, but winter skies is mafia

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And you prioritize the static group over the expanding one?

more like I prioritize the group we are sure exists. cult may end up being a red herring after all

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anyway whatever

VOTE: elric brothers

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Also looking over the votecounts, no other players were voting for Elric before adorkable died. If he shared his results in the scum QT, you'd think he'd have some support to get rid of cult.

Winter skies brought up the possibility of gif (elric brothers slot) being cult. It's possible it was because he had talked with adorkable about the result.

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based on a theory that came to me last night.

yeah what an original theory. It's not like I and ooba already said this

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the black goo was town. we haven't seen cultists flipping

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An alien cop works better from a mafia standpoint than a town one. For town, a cop that only can find aliens is a crapshoot. A traditional cop with a town/not town result system would have worked better. However, mafia have an entire team's worth of information to use to narrow the scope. That makes it an infinitely more useful tool in mafia hands.

this will become more valid IF aliens actually exist. For all we know that might be a red herring too

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I think he's kinda more silent today

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did we finish with mafia? no? cool, that's where our focus should be. That's the one faction we know exists.

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you're forgetting this is bastard and alien cops can exist without aliens and black goos without cultists. Till we see them flip, they don't exist.

Pedit: yep that's why I'm voting elric brothers

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who am I ignoring again?

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so trying to get elric brothers vigged is me ignoring the clues?

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this all just feels mafia driven. we are acting on a result from a mafia tracker that we assume is correct, and then there's winter skies bringing up gif out of nowhere.

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@TWOH: For someone who is voting Elric, you seem awfully determined to convince us that cult do not exist.

misrep me more

Where do you see me being against an elric lynch?

where have I tried to convince anyone cult doesn't exist?

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and then there's winter skies bringing up gif out of nowhere.

And it wasn't out of nowhere. You guys were talking about cult before I did and Gif was the person I suspected to be CL.

I don't recall anyone talking about cult at that point except a random comment from espeonage I think that I'm 80% cult or something

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Yes, because I was asked to vote cult over mafia. not vice versa like you're presenting it

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also I didn't say it's a red herring. I said there's that possibility as well.

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Anyway ooba did have a point that with all those kills around cult most likely does exist.

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it's funny how I'm supposedly saying that cult doesn't exist when I actually think it exists

keep trying

pedit @bulba

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ms you do know you're dying if elric flips cult, yes?

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you bet he isn't cult yet you agree with winter + adorkable planning to lynch cult?

right

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I agree winter is scum, that's irrelevant

you're saying you agree that he's scum based on daytalk + adorkable result. But then you think that Elric isnt actually cult. How do those two work together?

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if adorkable wanted to push the cult theory, he'd need someone to push elric for cult leader. And you went and did just that.

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not to mention that the gif posts were there for ages yet you only discovered them after adorkable had that result

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dunno maybe you thought it'd be taken better from you than from him for some reason

maybe he wanted to avoid claiming

maybe {any number of scum reasons we don't know about}

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how is ws looking town? You think the gif thing was just a coincidence?

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because the timing is too good for that

Unless, the tracker claim is fake altogether and he did it on purpose to frame you

But I think that's really high tier play and probably didn't happen

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I find it hard to believe that nobody helped adorkable execute this plan though. And your actions just fit perfectly.

again, unless it wasn't a plan at all and rather something he came up with to cause chaos.

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so on that subject, why ggg mafia?

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oh, adorkable related things. I have to iso them at some point

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"or fruit Vendor"?

wouldn't you know that if that was the case?

Also is that not mafia thing a cop result?

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"or fruit Vendor"?

wouldn't you know that if that was the case?

Also is that not mafia thing a cop result?

No.

Mafia tracker don't track their own teammates ffs

we don't know they actually tracked him

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how is ws looking town? You think the gif thing was just a coincidence?

3830. Town can usually tell you when a thought or read hit them.

Eh. Easily fakeable.

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why is it bullshit. I still don't get where you decided they aren't cult while at the same time you do agree that winter was doing adorkable plan

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he just said that people had mentioned cult before and that he did a reread. How hard is that? Besides, in the first place, he had to have an excuse for starting pushing gif as cult so maybe he had already covered that base when he did so.

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He outed it after dn told him he shot him. So basically dying words.

which could well mean it's fake

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well true, he was asking dn to shoot elric or ms before he was shot. So it's not something he came up with after he died

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mental voted elric if I recall

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@ms no. OK, he's not mafia. Why not cult?

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yeah why can't he be cult with the "targetted ms" part being a lie like you argued at first?

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yes but like winter said, he was softing the track before he was shot, by requesting elric or ms gets shot. Which means it wasn't something he came up with when he died just for manipulation

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true, if he was going for cred, he needed elric and ms to flip cult

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It was definitely a real belief that e lric is cult. Why do you track elric.

well yeah, mafia thought he's cult due to gif prolly. Either winter is mafia and requested it, or someone saw the same things winter saw

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there you go peregrine, btw. Winter rereads during the night, sees gif, tells scum to track him. After he knows the result on day2, he shares his gif findings with the town. Doesn't make sense to you?

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Not out the tracker result (obviously), pushing gif as cult

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why waste NKs on cult when you can have town lynch them?

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because it's obviously better for you to have town deal with the cult? That way you can look like you're scumhunting, and make sure that town's attention is elsewhere.

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why were you pushing zzzx if you thought he's encryptor?

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obviously?

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wai

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then you can try and lynch me?

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Encryptors are actually scum by default, but why would he softclaim encryptor as scum encryptor?

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I don't remember anything from that game tbh except that there were neighbors/masons or something

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then you can try and lynch me?

I could also try eating the moon, that sounds just as feasible.
This generation of mafia players only listen to very loud noises. See MS, AA9, yourself.

well, you can start by explaining why I'm such obvious scum

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the "evidence" we have for a cult was provided by mafia. I'll stick to hunting for mafia until I see cultists actually flipping. That's how everyone with a town mindset should be thinking.

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so guess the masons are masons

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The result is Dramonic: Not Town

he received town/not town?

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who did he cop the other nights?

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i mean, it sounds op that he was receiving town/not town results. that means he could catch third parties too

VOTE: dram

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dn knows your alignment?

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To be clear: i assume DN is town for shooting scum, and i supplied him with the daykill so...

even if thats true i dont see how it makes you town

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I think it's a fakeclaim Major Minor got for an SK.

lol what

do you know what fakeclaims are? they have to be town, not something else anti-town that town will want to lynch

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yeah because claiming survivor will totally help them survive

you know thats bullshit

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even if the mod wants to troll and give such a fakeclaim because bastard and all

the sk just wont use it and will claim something else. he would have to be dumb to claim survivor.