Butcher, Baker, Pastry-Maker Mafia - Dogged

[PeregrineV]

Yummmm.....food......

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Will do these 5 pages today.

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I don;t know why I thought there might be stuff in the pages before, but I did.

Ah well.

Vote: Reck

I don't feel you are town this game.

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Reck has been bitter about that game since it basically fell apart with multiple modkills due to apathy and bad attitudes. It was almost 4 years ago, and I think I've only ever played with Reck once since, and we pretty much had it out for each other in that game as well. I've more or less forgotten about that trainwreck of WoW Mafia, but whatever. Feel free to wiki me, and if anyone else feels like I'll be a detriment to the game, I'll just replace out and make sure to not join games with Reck in them again.

I was being punny about the Policy Lynch on Nikanor. LOL being League Of Legends Policy Lynching (as opposed to Lynch All Liars) for his use of Xin Zhao.


I was fairly boring with my pastry picks... I got my third choice, Pot Pie, after my first two were Cronut and Éclair. Did anyone else do some kind of unique, multi-adjective, picks for their pastries?

Using Imageshack.

For shame.

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I don't feel you are town this game.

I don't feel you are competent any game.

Good thing that competence is not alignment indicative.

But you were town my last 4 game together, so.............................................................................................

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As a matter of fact...

Final 3 that game was...

Reck, Toog, and PV lol.

That game? That was one of my first like 5 onsite. I was scum inventor I think.

Tough endgame, that one.

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plz elaborate

Graveyard Shift
Event Card
Fall of Gondolin
Shadows & Light

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Toogeloo [5] - dramonic, Untrod Tripod, xRECKONERx, Gammagooey, tn5421

Probably one scum on here, but I'm betting scum will be avoiding this flash wagon like the plague now, and wouldn't be surprised if one of the people questioning this wagon might be scum tbqh.

My last game with you, you were scum and fooled me.

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Note to self: Dram is not the mod, and can be voted.

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plz elaborate

Graveyard Shift
Event Card
Fall of Gondolin
Shadows & Light

wtf is event card

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=46303

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Not feeling the toog wagon (yet).

Not voting for oldy moldy

Don't like the makeup of UT's wagon

Gollum? Shadow?

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uhhh I replaced out of Event Card pretty early and was lurking the whoel time

Your second post was a vote for scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5819160
Your fifth post noted scummy play by Agar : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5819923
etc.

You have 47 posts that game, and there is a sense of you scumhunting while conversing in most of those. Similar for other games mentioned.

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uhhh I replaced out of Event Card pretty early and was lurking the whoel time

Your second post was a vote for scum: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5819160
Your fifth post noted scummy play by Agar : http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5819923
etc.

You have 47 posts that game, and there is a sense of you scumhunting while conversing in most of those. Similar for other games mentioned.

So far this game, by your 7th post, you've had nothing like it, and your 7th and 8th and 9th one was rolefishing, #11 was OMGUS.
etc.

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Caught up. Nothing to add right now.

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Caught up. Nothing to add right now.

How is it that you can have nothing to add, might I ask?

@Reck: Maybe? I don't pretend to understand what he was thinking.

Read from 206 to 295.

I have no new thoughts or ideas about the game that I am presenting at this time.

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Vote: Shadow Dancer

@Reck

- I'm a little confused at the length of work you did in order to disprove a comment "I can read Reck", especially given the very subjective nature of the statement.

@Shaft

-

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If I were not reading the thread, NS, would I have even noticed Cheet's apparent absence of posts? Now could this maybe be the one game were you are actually doing something to fulfil your wincon, whichever it is. I know its asking much, but I'd rather be able to read you than lynch you for active lurking at some point. There are just too many players doing their utmost keeping a low profile in here for that to be any efficient.

It'#s interesting how Per manages to shift both his read and vote on me and declare it as "no new thoughts or ideas".

FoS Per

Still like my vote where it is currently. I would much appreciate it if Untrod would actually engage me instead of just doing the OMGUS vote and shift off all responsibility for it to gamma, especially since he still hasn't explained his earlier read on me.

Nah, I thought you were fishy after your first few posts, but figured I'd give you more time to get your feet under you and town-WOW me.

But you didn't, so I'm voting you.

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VOTE: Cheetory

Might just as well do this alphabetically for a start ;

also, I have no idea who this person even is, so time to figure it out.

@mod: Has Cheetory been prodded? He only has three posts, and the last one's from last week.

You met in a warm French bakery on a cool spring day, got to know him, from toppings to fillings, and then noticed he was gone, so asked the baker where your favorite pastry had gone?

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This is the other thing. Questions to discover information of figure things out are good. These do not seem to fall under that category. They look like filler-to-look-active, since they are either pointless or self-answered.

Spoiler: The question of questions

Moin moin,

i think i'm gonna stay away from the kalimar wagon for the time being, L-6 is a bit too close to lynch for page two imo

Why so hesitant ?

VOTE: Kali

The higher the splash, the nicer the ripples...

So therefore,

Vote: Shadow Dancer

Why did you refuse to be arbitrary?

This was the shortest rvs ever.

Interressant...

Was it your vote or mine which ended, according to you, the RVS?

Moin moin,

i think i'm gonna stay away from the kalimar wagon for the time being, L-6 is a bit too close to lynch for page two imo

Why so hesitant ?

VOTE: Kali

The higher the splash, the nicer the ripples...

what if five people simulpost and we accidentally hammer him, wouldn't you feel like super foolish?

You mean, if 6 people simulpost, all vote kali, and all do not check the newest posts before finally sanding in their vote ?

!

Los geht's

Okay, for a start: Who is Shaft? A Kise alt? Or some one else entirely?

If Shaft is indeed Kise, I want him to elaborate on his Reck read ; and ideally explain how he refutes the evidence brought up against his case by Reck.

Reck, are those games you listed in chronological (or any other) order?

guys i think i'm gonna claim ok

i'm gonna do it, i'm really gonna do it!!

What reaction exactly did you hop to provoke with these posts, Nik?

Claiming miller on day one, why haven't you just done it right away?

I don't think his awfulness is necessarily alignment indicative

why do you?

Wirklich?
Now I am curious. After you were so wordy about it, what do you think it was indicative of, and why did you consider it necessary to point it out ?

Shaft, so you cannot actually provide us with an additional game that would back up your claim that you can read Reck like a book?

Reck, what would you reply if I pointed out to you that obviously in your latest scum game with Kise he could actually read you rightly as scum, and that therefore his claim, although obviously suffering from massive confirmation bias concerning the sample size, cannot be regarded as completely ungrounded?

Da wäre noch...

Why does Sprinkled Delight seem to be all Katsuki and no Brian Skies at all?

tn, what ever became of your Toog read ? Seems to have dropped right out of sight. Did it change ?

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Could you elaborate a bit, just so we can actually finally get some fruitful discussion going off my waggon?

You asked me to elaborate on why I voted you. See 415 and 419.

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i still cant get over John Travolta's face in that gif

he looks like Fate

Who are SD's buddies?

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dunno

You hammered without a claim. No indication you thought he was catch scum or informative lynch.

If he flips town, looking at you for scum.

if he flips scum, no towncred for you.

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Could you elaborate a bit, just so we can actually finally get some fruitful discussion going off my waggon?

You asked me to elaborate on why I voted you. See 415 and 419.

415 is only like totally random.
419 is a list of my quotes in red, without any elaboration as to how they meet your insunation.

Had the conversation continued, I could have elaborated on each one.

As it stands, there's no point.

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motherfuckin DEAL

VOTE: Shadow Dancer

Okay, I had already some mild suspicions. This proves is Reck is scum, too.

Seraph, if you are town, go and take a running jump. This was just terrible.

And don't think I am gonna claim any more. You'll realize how fuckin bloody incapable you are soon enough.
Don't forget to also lynch Reck, Untrod and Per, though. NS is only the least of the probable obvscum on that waggon.

His vote was perhaps the worst.

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Sunday night prod dodge-see you in a few hours

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Vote: Sprinkled Delight

Seems like if Nikanor was scum he could have just said Miller. Distinguishing it out (giving the town more info) as to the miller type seems more town that way.

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It's bad for me to want to focus the conversation where I'll be most useful since I'm likely poisoned. Go on.. explain how that's bad.

Then you were probably a scum-kill. Meaning we have a vig.

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Vote: Sprinkled Delight

Seems like if Nikanor was scum he could have just said Miller. Distinguishing it out (giving the town more info) as to the miller type seems more town that way.

Reck's explanation makes a lot more sense.

It could. But given the size of 44 and the lack of other scumhunting doen by Reck day1, it seems like you would remember your fakeclaimed suspect.

And why claim Miller when that shuts down all sorts of claims that scum could make instead? Nobody gives Millers free town passes anymore.

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Vote: Sprinkled Delight

Seems like if Nikanor was scum he could have just said Miller. Distinguishing it out (giving the town more info) as to the miller type seems more town that way.

Reck's explanation makes a lot more sense.

It could. But given the size of 44 and the lack of other scumhunting doen by Reck day1, it seems like you would remember your fakeclaimed suspect.

And why claim Miller when that shuts down all sorts of claims that scum could make instead? Nobody gives Millers free town passes anymore.

Millers help weaker members survive a day or two generally.

I don't see how the size of 44 is relevant at all.

It was so important to Reck's scumhunting strategy that he repeated it, and took the time to super-size it, and then forgot it?

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I got the prod but need to read.

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Prod received.

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Vote: Dramonic

I know, but it'll pass.

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Sorry, work has been busy this week. If I don't catch up by this weekend I'll replace out.

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Glad my pastry instincts were correct. Will read tonight.

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Haven't gone back and re-read, but just on the last 7 pages-

Vote: tn5421

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Unvote
Vote: tn

I would be very curious as to what a good reaction to Espy's "gambit" would be. Because I don't care what alignment you are, that was fucking stupid. Also, for the record, I don't believe generally speaking in scum slips (excep for very rare instances) but slips based on play? Don't happen. I was incredulous because I came home from a long and stressful and emotionally traumatic day and I saw that bullshit. I don't care what your alignment is, that was some FUKING BULSHIT.

Blergh.

bler
ble

okay I'm calmler now.

Why are you bussing tn54321?

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Caught up. Nothing to add right now.

Caught up. Nothing to add right now.

How is it that you can have nothing to add, might I ask?

@Reck: Maybe? I don't pretend to understand what he was thinking.

Read from 206 to 295.

I have no new thoughts or ideas about the game that I am presenting at this time.

so I was thinking these posts were fairly different from the harry potter game where pv was behind and kept promising content and never delivering. more standoffish. most of the other prod posts don't promise anything either. it's meta a self aware person could easily change but it's minorly town.

and I felt PV's entry here was a lot more directly purposeful than anything I've seen from him really, though the drop off is eh.

so I still feel ok about those reasons, the only real ding I would say is him voting Sprinkled Delight rather than Reckoner as his d2 start

and I'd like to see some more up-to-date thought processes on anything really, tn scumread would be an ok start. not sure what he meant in 1017 about 'pastry instincts' either

I'm a pastry (although I think I'm probably actually baked, technically). It felt like Reck was scum earlier (see pages 4-10).

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tn scumread would be an ok start

He's lacking the town-wow factor.

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tn scumread would be an ok start

He's lacking the town-wow factor.

i agree

but who in this game actually brings the town wow

(also don't feel any more enlightened about pastry instincts but meh)

Espeonage has town-wowed me.- and thus I think he is town (1088).

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guys can we get a bigger wagon going on NS so he stops derping around all the time?

Who are his 2 partners? (making the assumption of 4).

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guys can we get a bigger wagon going on NS so he stops derping around all the time?

Who are his 2 partners? (making the assumption of 4).

I'd guess gamma and Seph. What do you think and why do you ask?

We're only lynching scum-NS, and your reasons for scum-NS are "derping". That's not a strong argument, so want to see if you've done any other legwork to tie him to his scummates.

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my main issue with the sera wagon is that it has espy and tn on it.

I'm aware Espy is town.
So is the majority of the players.
Doesn't make them magically RELIABLE.
I get that his suspicion is genuine, but

espy

.

You just said one of the problems with the Sera wagon is that Espy and tn are on it. That implies you think Sera is town, and Espy and Tn are scum trying to mislynch him.

If your problem was that Espy is clueless, then you would have said your problem is Espy is on the wagon.

You lumped Espy and Tn together on why the wagon is bad. If you think TN is town trying to mislynch, then they would not have been lumped together, since Espy can't be scum.

Therefore, your 1159 does not match with your 1162.

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I'm your vig, I am Crème Brulee, and I am responsible for killing Toog, Nik, and SD.

To preemptively answer this question, I killed Toog because I thought he was a likely lynch target N1 so I thought I'd save ya'll the trouble. I killed Nik N2 because I thought Nik was scummy. I killed SD because he wasn't posting at all and I thought killing a lurker would be helpful in case he was scum. I apologize if these seem like shit kills; it's my first time playing a vig role so I don't know if I've been doing a good job.

I was trying to lay low because I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself and avoid the NK...so it looks like I'm getting lynched instead...hahahaa. My bad.

I kind of look for certain vig "tells" that I'll use to check your iso against to see if I believe this.

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I'm your vig, I am Crème Brulee, and I am responsible for killing Toog, Nik, and SD.

To preemptively answer this question, I killed Toog because I thought he was a likely lynch target N1 so I thought I'd save ya'll the trouble. I killed Nik N2 because I thought Nik was scummy. I killed SD because he wasn't posting at all and I thought killing a lurker would be helpful in case he was scum. I apologize if these seem like shit kills; it's my first time playing a vig role so I don't know if I've been doing a good job.

I was trying to lay low because I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself and avoid the NK...so it looks like I'm getting lynched instead...hahahaa. My bad.

I kind of look for certain vig "tells" that I'll use to check your iso against to see if I believe this.

So, now your story is not working.
314- you think Nik is scum. You express no other scum day1 except Nik. Nik, Shaft, and Toog are all the largest wagons other than Shadow. So, based on your posting, I'd expect you to shoot Nik.

But, you shoot Toog.

Looking at Toog day1, his primary suspect is tn54321.

Night2, your kill is the only kill, and you shot Nik. Can't figure out wahy, execpt for your day1 contention, but you have no interatcion with him, so, yeah.....

Night3, you shot Sprinkled Delight. Sprinkled was on neither town wagon. And earlier in the game you have Dram as scum, yet he was not shot. And Sprinkled's iso was sparse, but he also had a TN12345 suspicion.

Throw that in with your apologizing (423-425) for putting town-Shadow at L-2 when Reck hammered makes it seem more like a planned thing and a lol-hammer by Reck.

Based on all this, I'm down for a Seraphim, tn32235, or dram lynch.

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Maybe Titus did one? I just looked at Sera ISO+mod ISO+Nik ISO+Sprinkled ISO+Toog ISO.

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Right I am!

Vote: Seraphim

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VOTE: toonfighter
instinct based on wagon. Hammered to look town. Maybe I should have voted espe hmmmmm

Huh? Maybe you should have voted conftown?

TFnot dying and that hammer are the only suspicious thing I find about him, but even then I was going to hammer anyway.

I am more interested in why PV jumped.

VOTE: PV

Why I jumped from one scum candidate to the other scum candidate?
Because, either or.

Also because there was no reposonse or reply the the inherent questions of 1269.

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My fullcclaim so far-

Night 3 I received some toppings.

They gave me a 1-shot Doc ability.

I used it last night to protect Espeonage.

No comment on whether I received anything last night.

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If Gamma is scum, then TN is powerrole scum, because Gamma joined the Seraphim wagon when both were at 3, and he could have led the charge to get TN lynched instead.

And Sera only flipped goon.

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If Gamma is scum, then TN is powerrole scum, because Gamma joined the Seraphim wagon when both were at 3, and he could have led the charge to get TN lynched instead.

And Sera only flipped goon.

Don't forget sera was Burnt. We had a moldy cop. He was 'Godfather'-like (to those investigations). I don't call that a goon.

But by the time he died, yeah, he was probably a goon (since the cop was already dead). Though, he WAS filled with caramel. Which was probably a scum power up (as the toppings were town ones).

He's listed as Burnt Goon, so going with that. He may have extra powers, but Reck had 2 nights to give filling, so we can hopefully look for one more filled scum and one other scum.

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@PV What's your opinion on Titus?

As Titus, doesn't seem scum to me.

Haven't read her in context so much, so no opinion from that part.

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N1 - Tracked Reck, he targeted Titus
N2 - Tracked Espeonage, he targeted no one
N3 - Tracked Gamma, he targeted no one
N4 - Tracked tn5421, he targeted no one

If Reck was mafia filling giver, and gave filling to Sera, his scumbuddy, then this really makes me want to vote Titus.

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VOTE: toonfighter
instinct based on wagon. Hammered to look town. Maybe I should have voted espe hmmmmm

Huh? Maybe you should have voted conftown?

TFnot dying and that hammer are the only suspicious thing I find about him, but even then I was going to hammer anyway.

I am more interested in why PV jumped.

VOTE: PV

Why I jumped from one scum candidate to the other scum candidate?
Because, either or.

Also because there was no reposonse or reply the the inherent questions of 1269.

That is it precisely.

The wagon takes off after my intent to vote it. The vote pile on looks like buzzer beater bussing.

It doesn't look like someone accusing him of lying about his vig role, pointing out the inconsistencies in his claim and his actions based on that claim, and calling him out about it, while pointing out common denominators to his "targets"?

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N1 - Tracked Reck, he targeted Titus
N2 - Tracked Espeonage, he targeted no one
N3 - Tracked Gamma, he targeted no one
N4 - Tracked tn5421, he targeted no one

If Reck was mafia filling giver, and gave filling to Sera, his scumbuddy, then this really makes me want to vote Titus.

If Dram was here, he would be shutting you down so hard.

yeah I believe PV's claim regardless of his actual alignment

also I don't actually think PV is faking not reading/remembering/knowing/whatever about Titus's filling and NS's vote on Sera that really really heavily pushed him to claim seems pretty bad so

VOTE: Hi im Yakko

If the filling of Titus-town by Scum-Reck has already been covered, then giving me the post numbers is good enough to get me to let it go. Assuming I read them and are satisfied by what is said.

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@PV, What do you think of Kalimar's reluctance of voting Gamma today after wanting him yesterday?

What do you think of Espy's push?

Kalimar explains in 1360. Haven;t looked hard at Kalimar much otherwise.

Espy is confirmed town, so he believes his push is genuine. I see what Espy is saying, but I'm not sure yet on a gamma lynch.

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Seraphim comes in day2 and votes Nobody Special (495), effectively ignoring a Shaft vote (town), tn531 vote, and a Kalimar vote for his scumbuddy?

Nah.

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Seraphim comes in day2 and votes Nobody Special (495), effectively ignoring a Shaft vote (town), tn531 vote, and a Kalimar vote for his scumbuddy?

Nah.

But of course, NS is gone, replaced by Yakko.

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I guess I get the filling thing. The argument is that Titus was supposed to be framed by Reck's filling. And Sera was probably inflated by a power or something.

But if that's the case, then @gamma, why are you thinking Titus is scum?

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If you saw the flipped power roles, you would know that scum MUST have a method of fucking with cops. If they did not, the game becomes obvious follow the cop.

Reck visited me with an unknown substance, which I immediately claimed. That's likely a frame. We are presuming that Reck visited Sera, that means Caramel is a tailoring of some kind. Caramel makes things sweeter maybe?

Second, scum had a gf and a framer...that's it? While we have a lot of PRs?

We likely have two evil killing factions.

I just want that confirmed or dispelled today.

Conventional wisdom is 3 nights of single kill and one night of double kill probably means only one killing group.

You pushing for a massclaim based on a low-chance hypothetical is worrisome.

Go with one mafia and base all your speculation on that.

even and odd night faction abilities?

Unlikely given how often eaten shows up.

Sera claimed all of the eaten kills. Makes sense for scum to take over the bakery by eating all the good baked goods.

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PV, I am NOT pushing for a massclaim. I am against it but for anyone claiming to shoot UT. If no one shot UT, we have two anti-town killing factions most likely. Or is there some flaw in that plan.

I am steadfast AGAINST massclaim.

If I shot UT, I would not claim it. He was town, so I fucked up. And clearing up how I was able to shoot does nothing to solving who is scum.

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This is very important question.

The inventions that you have been given are they toppings or fillings, I think I know already but I just want to check because it changes things.

Topping

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One of PV and Gamma is scum because reasons (actually kind of complex but I think I'm right here)

You are 0-50% correct.

Might as well give your complete list and reasons. You're confirmed town, so there's not a lot you can hide behind, and there is no reason to hide anything.

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Ok so it's mainly to do with the fact that I am still alive and that Gamma was pretty hard on PV for a while.

We know that Gamma isn't the inventor and we know if that they aren't scum together, Gamma wouldn't have bussed on PV at that stage of the game given the way wagons were forming and pushing through.

So we deduce they can't be scum together.

Now I am alive. PV knows that he probably has the only protection, however he can't kill me or the inventor would come down on him like a cop on a scum result.
So he's not clear.

Gamma is either on song or scum, I trust Gamma's grip on this game if he is town, that means that PV is either scum and Gamma isn't or PV isn't scum and Gamma is.

And that kind of logic never usually works but I feel like at this point in the game I need to either trust or get rid of Gamma.

A little confused here, but I meant moving on to the rest of Gilligan's isle.

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I'd consider voting Titus but I really REALLY want yakko to show up and post first.

I might have already said this but I thought PV was likely scum because his push on sera without voting was really similar to how I would play that situation as scum - attack scum but say that other people are scummy too so you have an out if you can get someone else lynched. and I was thinking pretty much the same thing with dram not dying because scum had the doc and knew they couldn't kill him that night, but PV's ignorance of Titus+Reck's role interaction just seems so similar to all the other derptowns I've seen completely miss something enormously obvious to everyone else in the game.

Hmmmmm

Spoiler: Posts in which I call out Sera, get ignored, vote him for it, then explain it twice (but this makes a third time, I think) all combined into one cool spoiler because ISO and reading is so hard. yw

I'm your vig, I am Crème Brulee, and I am responsible for killing Toog, Nik, and SD.

To preemptively answer this question, I killed Toog because I thought he was a likely lynch target N1 so I thought I'd save ya'll the trouble. I killed Nik N2 because I thought Nik was scummy. I killed SD because he wasn't posting at all and I thought killing a lurker would be helpful in case he was scum. I apologize if these seem like shit kills; it's my first time playing a vig role so I don't know if I've been doing a good job.

I was trying to lay low because I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself and avoid the NK...so it looks like I'm getting lynched instead...hahahaa. My bad.

I kind of look for certain vig "tells" that I'll use to check your iso against to see if I believe this.

I'm your vig, I am Crème Brulee, and I am responsible for killing Toog, Nik, and SD.

To preemptively answer this question, I killed Toog because I thought he was a likely lynch target N1 so I thought I'd save ya'll the trouble. I killed Nik N2 because I thought Nik was scummy. I killed SD because he wasn't posting at all and I thought killing a lurker would be helpful in case he was scum. I apologize if these seem like shit kills; it's my first time playing a vig role so I don't know if I've been doing a good job.

I was trying to lay low because I didn't want to draw too much attention to myself and avoid the NK...so it looks like I'm getting lynched instead...hahahaa. My bad.

I kind of look for certain vig "tells" that I'll use to check your iso against to see if I believe this.

So, now your story is not working.
314- you think Nik is scum. You express no other scum day1 except Nik. Nik, Shaft, and Toog are all the largest wagons other than Shadow. So, based on your posting, I'd expect you to shoot Nik.

But, you shoot Toog.

Looking at Toog day1, his primary suspect is tn54321.

Night2, your kill is the only kill, and you shot Nik. Can't figure out wahy, execpt for your day1 contention, but you have no interatcion with him, so, yeah.....

Night3, you shot Sprinkled Delight. Sprinkled was on neither town wagon. And earlier in the game you have Dram as scum, yet he was not shot. And Sprinkled's iso was sparse, but he also had a TN12345 suspicion.

Throw that in with your apologizing (423-425) for putting town-Shadow at L-2 when Reck hammered makes it seem more like a planned thing and a lol-hammer by Reck.

Based on all this, I'm down for a Seraphim, tn32235, or dram lynch.

Right I am!

Vote: Seraphim

VOTE: toonfighter
instinct based on wagon. Hammered to look town. Maybe I should have voted espe hmmmmm

Huh? Maybe you should have voted conftown?

TFnot dying and that hammer are the only suspicious thing I find about him, but even then I was going to hammer anyway.

I am more interested in why PV jumped.

VOTE: PV

Why I jumped from one scum candidate to the other scum candidate?
Because, either or.

Also because there was no reposonse or reply the the inherent questions of 1269.

VOTE: toonfighter
instinct based on wagon. Hammered to look town. Maybe I should have voted espe hmmmmm

Huh? Maybe you should have voted conftown?

TFnot dying and that hammer are the only suspicious thing I find about him, but even then I was going to hammer anyway.

I am more interested in why PV jumped.

VOTE: PV

Why I jumped from one scum candidate to the other scum candidate?
Because, either or.

Also because there was no reposonse or reply the the inherent questions of 1269.

That is it precisely.

The wagon takes off after my intent to vote it. The vote pile on looks like buzzer beater bussing.

It doesn't look like someone accusing him of lying about his vig role, pointing out the inconsistencies in his claim and his actions based on that claim, and calling him out about it, while pointing out common denominators to his "targets"?

[PeregrineV]

Can we hammer Yakko?

When he flips scum, that should clear Gamma, sorry man.

I think we can wait until Wed or Thursday.

Want to compare this wagon with the NS wagon, since they are the same slot.