We The Purple II Game Over

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Sonic Boom

Hydrate: Ricastle

I will take anyone hydrating someone other than themselves at this point as scumpartners

Mod, pretty sure I've confirmed btw

[Ricastle]

I like Ricastle as town but not sure I want to hydrate him. After all, what stops scum from just shooting whoever we hydrate?

The hydrated player can share the power with another player at night. Please reconsider and join the Castle legion, we have Rics!

[Ricastle]

Hey, Ricastle, I'll strike you a deal.

Shift your vote onto TWIE and I'll put the Hydrate on you, and tell Titus not to remove it. For as long as your vote stays there.

What if you move off TWIE? Is the deal then canceled?

What's this thing about sharing, Ricastle?

I swear it was in the rules that the hydrated player could pick another person to be hydrated in the night but I can't find it now. Oh well.

[Ricastle]

I won't cancel a deal because you were being faithful.

To make this even clearer, the deal has an expiry date. By page 20, the deal will expire. Until then, as long as your vote is on TWIE, my Hydrate will be on you.

Sounds good?

Disregarding the fact that we'll be at P20 in a couple of hours, good enough.

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

I want to get elected, C. That should be all you need to know.

[Ricastle]

Ceph, it doesen't really matter anymore, but my original post was a gambit to get hydrated. The site I originated from I almost always rolled scum, but not yet here.

I agree with SxN on the posting issue. I had to skim the past 5 pages without really taking it in to catch up and I'm not really seeing any point where I'll be able to calmly overview the events. Although I suppose that's what you get for joining a game with what, 8 hydras?

[Ricastle]

Why Homunculus?

My flavour is to troll and be otherwise completely useless.

I agree with axe. Except about him being part of a combo.
combo.

Oh and on this subject, who's up for a flavour massclaim?

[Ricastle]

I'm on TWIE, not Sonic

Thought that was L-1 for a minute...

fixed, thanks!

[Ricastle]

Sonic, who is scum apart from TWIE?

[Ricastle]

Alright, enough beating around the bush, it's time to actually flavourclaim. I'm Borkjerfkin.

[Ricastle]

Everyone who has posted since 287 better have a good fucking reason why they are not flavourclaiming

[Ricastle]

And why is that? You rolled a tridra?

[Ricastle]

Nice, caught scum within 4 hours of game start

VOTE: Rune

Singer, this is why.

[Ricastle]

Axe: It was exclusively flavour related until he started fucking around afterwards. Refusing to claim, and then saying he doesen't care? I'm not buying it.

[Ricastle]

No, I meant the gambit doesn't matter anymore. I was AFK up until page 9 before I saw your reply which is why I didn't answer sooner.

[Ricastle]

Rune is making no shitting sense and not contributing meaningfully so I'm happy with my vote there. Scum lean on AFB for multiple pseudo-suspicions.

[Ricastle]

Glass & Cheetory head look town. Cheet, what's your read on AFB? And Glass, why is AFB town?

I just looked back at signups, and voila.

Spoiler:

Special Mechanics:
all players start off as VT's and each day, people vote for a person who becomes hydrated as well as a person who gets lynched. Power votes are plurality and lynch votes are majority. In the event that two people tie for hydration, the one who reached the most people first, gains their power. The following night, the person chooses one other player to gain a power along with them and chosen person will learn of their power the following day

Based on this, I don't want to hydrate nulls. If we hit a scumslot, it would be a disaster.

Pedit: VOTE: Sonic Boom what a load of bullshit.

[Ricastle]

some people are saying that faking scumhunting is more protown to do than being honest and giving reads when they're ready

said same person that "scum are more likely to be scumhunting in a multiball setting"

nah, fuck that. I stand by my principles

You have stated numerous times today that you have been scumhunting in defence of accusations that you've been tunnelling TWIE. And yet you have nothing to show for it in or out of thread. So which is it? Were you scumhunting or just tunnelling TWIE?

Pedit: Okay Rune. How about you start being fucking helpful and explain why Axe is scum?

[Ricastle]

@Ricastle

, can I look at AFB tomorrow? I don't want to read things in a thoughtful manner again tonight. q.q

Sure. As long as you get back to me on it soon I'm good with any time that encompasses.

[Ricastle]

I'm here. What's your thoughts on hydration?

[Ricastle]

The hydrated player still gets to share the power - see 433. So yeah, I agree with you that we definitely shouldn't hydrate nulls.

Is there anything in particular you'd warrant as progressive discussion? What's your read on Rune?

[Ricastle]

Runs: Could you at least give one reason why Axe is scum?

I'm just finding it really weird why you refused to flavourclaim, yet use your flavour as an excuse for your behaviour. I'm pretty sure playing to match your role counts as caring about it, right?

[Ricastle]

Yeah I don't like my vote here anymore.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Rune

I'm pretty sure I've explained my scumread on Rune quite a bit already Sonic...he's being uncooperative and trolly for no apparent reason other than to "stay in flavour" (seriously what?) while at the same time refusing to actually flavourclaim. Sounds more like a shitty excuse to be antitown to me. He's also now scumreading people for no reason as you can see.

[Ricastle]

Scumreading scum for no reason is better than you Scumreading town.

If this is your actual play, I don't know what the fuck Axe was going on about. If it isn't then claim or die.

[Ricastle]

My name is cabd, I am a computer nerd with no life who loves to troll and is good at nothing else. Long live the league of the purple.

That took you long enough. Well, the claim makes sense for now I guess. Do you at any point feel like getting serious? On that note, are your scumreads even serious? (If they are, PLEASE start providing some reasoning.)

[Ricastle]

@Wisdom: The only people to be affected by a flavour massclaim are scum, whose flavour I'd assume is different from town's. That's why.

After a bit of rereading on a few players I think Sonic, HH & Mario are town, Bacon probably town, and AFB, Rune & Seiko scum as my primary reads. Sonic looks definitively like bullish town; Mario looks like noob town at a glance and I liked Glass's two posts; and HH is being productive and making good points. I personally think Bacon's pedit complaints were more likely to come from town trying to get into the game and Wisdom's latest posts were good.

For all their talk about advancing the gamestate, Seiko has made very little effort to do so themselves. Most of their time has been spent arguing with Sonic about holding up the game which in turn was...holding up the game...subsequently, the only scumhunting they've actually done so far is a weak and forgettable push on Oversoul. They also quickly abandoned the conversation with me about the game in general. This all leads me to believe that their crowing about the gamestate is just a ploy to look useful. I also hated their responses to Sonic's initial push on them, looking back. It reads very much like "these are the wrong reasons to catch me".

AFB is giving me bad vibes all around. He's been buddying a lot and his pushes/suspicions have been

very

safe and passive. His interactions with HH are also making me uneasy but I'm liking HH so

I have the slightest townlean on Espyon if only for the fact that I haven't seen anyone really try to positively interact with them. I may be wrong on that though.

Rune's latest post has not convinced me in the least. His trolling was without question antitown so I have no idea why he's railing on Axe for attacking him about it, especially considering I did the same thing and he has me as probtown. I'm also suspicious of his interactions (directly or indirectly) with AFB.

That's all I've got for now. I'm not very focused on this game honestly so most of this is probably bullshit but I hope for that to change soon. Oh and just so y'all know I'm still the best hydrate target so if you could all hydrate me that would be great.

[Ricastle]

To @everyone:

What do you think of the situation where Rune is scumreading both Axe and Homunculi, Axe is scumreading both Rune and Homunculi, and Homunculi is only FoSing Axe but Hydrating Rune?

First 5 to answer get chili dogs. Top answer gets townpoints.




hopefully its more attractive now

Wait you're actually posing this as a question? Because the way you've laid it out allows for only one answer which you should really just be taking up with the people you're accusing.

[Ricastle]

That it's scum relation. In an all-vanilla D1 what other answer pertaining to relation is there?

[Ricastle]

Yes, but one of your only points for Axe being definitely scum is something that I'm equally guilty of, so...?

[Ricastle]

I don't think it's that easy?

Rune: Scumreads Axe + HH
Axe: Scumreads Rune + HH
HH: Scumreads Axe but not Rune

It's a very peculiar triangle. Who's scum and who's town? Why? Why would they act in such a manner?

Do you think that they are all scumbuddies? That wouldn't make any sense, would it?

These are all questions that you must ask yourself before answering my main question. It's not that simple. I don't think.

It's only a triangle if you assume that each player knows something about the other. In this case, that would have to make them scumpartners.

These are really questions you should be asking yourself as I personally am not interested in this inquiry. Once you've reached a conclusive decision regarding this than I will be willing to discuss that.

You're wrong in many ways. Iso yourself and iso axe.
You are questioning me. Axe is not.

Axe is intentionally manipulating personal knowledge of me to discredit me, you are not.

Axe has a huge tunnel on me,responding to me unnecessarily in most of his posts, you do not.

I also know axe extremely well and know he is scum. I don't know you so it would be bad of me to make that judgement.

None of this changes the fact that you were trolling for no apparent reason. I would therefore not find it unusual for someone who has personal knowledge of you to scumread you on a level of certainty equivalent to your scumread on Axe.

Speaking of which, you are as much of a perpetrator of these things as Axe as far as I can see! (Apart from manipulating personal knowledge although I'm not seeing where Axe is doing that either)

[Ricastle]

Yeah, let's do this.

VOTE: Seiko x Naomi

[Ricastle]

And what? Scum don't have fakeclaims? Mara isn't stupid, she's not going to make a game breakable by flavor.

~Wis

I can't see how it's a harmful course of action is the point. And you never know what we could gather from the claims until we get them.

[Ricastle]

I don't have any knowledge of the flavour past the scum being Tridras and the town being individual players. If I thought the flavour had relation to hydration, which I don't, then I wouldn't have suggested it. Unless that's how it worked in the previous game? I'll check now.

Oh, and where is there indication in the flavour that the Pinks are in this and are scum?

[Ricastle]

699 is a question that needs answering. Let him be.

[Ricastle]

TWIE, have you read/are you reading the game? Can you give a summation of your thoughts if so?

[Ricastle]

Rune, your play up until recently was deliberately antitown/scummy BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. There's no dancing around this one.

[Ricastle]

I am usually constructive as either alignment, yes. Right now, I'm deliciously in flavour.

He is spending a disproportionate amount of time responding to me or talking about me really defensively which seems unnecessary except to take advantage of

my intentionally poor play

to discredit me. But really, given the opinion on me of several of you, he shouldn't feel such a need to defend himself, except that I am right and he knows I am good enough to catch him and get him lynched unless he crushes me.

His read is baseless and really bad.

My somewhat trolling start

is his reason for me being a one-dimensional obvious scum or playing to lose. This is obviously a hilariously poor reason to scumread someone who isn't a complete noob (which he knows I am not - I refer again to the last game together where he points out that I am the best player he knows).


Basically he assumes that

because my start is not super constructive

that I am scum, and that my play is one dimensional - referring to the exactly one forum game I have that he knows about. That I am somewhat trolling only because some town idiots did it in that game. That if his read is wrong it is because I'm trying to lose.

Pretty sure there was more but this is all I can find for now. This should suffice regardless.

[Ricastle]

Man Singer you totally jacked me. :l

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Rune

[Ricastle]

"at such an early stage"

You were trolling up until page twenty fucking one.

[Ricastle]

Seiko is flailing pathetically. Seiko, actually respond to the case on you or you're dead.

Rune, BRO, TWIE, Seiko, all caught within the first 30 pages! This game is going flipping brilliantly.

On another note, Singer is now a townread.

[Ricastle]

I am voting Rune who is another scumread...but I was about to hop anyway so.

VOTE: Seiko x Naomi

[Ricastle]

Yes because it's clearly my fault you two kept refusing to give a readslist despite me asking time and time again? And I don't care to discuss things with ricastle.

Good job responding to one of the most minor points in the post. Why won't you discuss things with me? Like wtf is that?

[Ricastle]

You may need this

[Ricastle]

VOTE: ricastle

Both of you stop it and vote the guy that began all this with the fucking shit case of "they are trying to look town".

~Wis

How are you seeing town from Seiko here? They're "not trolling"...sure bucko.

You've either not read my case or are bullshitting because my conclusion was clearly more sensible than that. They were doing more preaching about advancing the gamestate than actually doing so which lead me to believe that they were pushing the philosophy just for towncred.

There's only one person that will come out of this exchange looking like a fool and it isn't going to be me.

[Ricastle]

The burden of proof is on you.

[Ricastle]

No, YOU are saying that they weren't advancing the gamestate. Back it up.

And you are countering by saying that they are! THAT SHIT NEEDS BACKING UP!

[Ricastle]

You do realise that if you cannot provide evidence that Seiko has been advancing the gamestate my point is proven completely?

[Ricastle]

+ = smiley that needs to exist because I would love to use it rn

[Ricastle]

Who is scum then?

[Ricastle]

my original post was a gambit to get hydrated.

[Ricastle]

So about that logical thought process.

[Ricastle]

The hydrating thing was a stupid gambit designed to look like you were interested in finding scum, but had no real world applications.

What are you talking about? No it wasn't. I wanted to get hydrated, that's what I just said.

The real scummy thing you did though was try to trump around your flavorclaim and get everyone else to claim, because you wanted to show off the fact that your fakeclaim has appropriate flavor.

Okay, so how confident are you in the previous point then? And why are you not pushing this point over the others?

As for the point itself, it is completely tinfoil and shows only your apparent bias against me.

Your two moves were NOT really about finding scum (because yes you can scumhunt in multiball) you two moves were about getting towncred. That was the primary motivation and why you are scum. This stupid thing with Notty is just more of the same. Now you are pandering to players you think will give you townreads if you agree with them. All I see from your play is pandering for town-points, and if you were town you wouldn't need to do so.

What two moves? The hydrating stuff? Because as I just said scumhunting was not a motivation there.

Yes, it just so happens that other people are speaking my mind before I can. That's not my fault. You really don't have a basis for this towncred shit because it is clear I am hunting scum.

[Ricastle]

Axe, I suggest you reread. Seiko did NOT answer my case on them and instead opted to devolve into trolling. They were also the one who made the situation a shitshow in the first place.

Why am I scum btw? This is fascinating.

[Ricastle]

947 is what happens when you don't read the quotes someone is replying to. My comment was a reply to wgeurts's accusation that I was sucking up to other players.

Since when was Seiko obvtown? Can ANYONE tell me? And that is not even part of my case on Seiko. It wasn't about being overly defensive, but about the way that they defended themselves.

[Ricastle]

@Mod: Are hydrates during twilight valid?

no

[Ricastle]

AFB, give us some solid reads please.

Pedit: We're lynching Seiko. Please hop on.

[Ricastle]

UNVOTE: NAA; VOTE: MarioManiac

Why?

[Ricastle]

Come now, AFB...TWIE isn't even trying to play. He really isn't looking fazed by Sonic's tunnel either, and besides that hasn't been happening for bloody ages. Why are you going out of your way to defend someone who has deliberately sat around and refused to engage?

[Ricastle]

This is town-ns. He doesn't buy weak townreads. Look at Mod Error. Grey faked a fucking innocent on him yet ns continued scumreading him. It's the same here. He thinks I have ill intent in townreading him and says so. What he doesn't understand is that what looks weak to him is me not having the time I'd want to play how I'd want so I post what I can post. But regardless there is clear fucking town motivation in that.

That's so fucking easy to fake, or just do normally as scum. As they're scumreading you for it, and this is multiball, it's entirely likely that it could be the case.

Cheet Ricastle is scum because the push on Seiko is ridiculous, the flavor claim push was terribad, him being off Seiko while pushing for them also, and everything else I have said. I am not going to be repeating myself.

This case is shit. Why is it ridiculous? Do you think Seiko's actions in that exchange came from town? Because you've been townreading them based on anything other than that.

If the flavourclaim point is the same as wgeurts's, then it is pure bias as I have already explained why I wanted it. Looking for another motive is pretty much saying what my motive

would

be if I were scum, which is completely stupid when you're trying to convince people that I actually am scum (which, given my alignment, will inevitably fail).

I was off Seiko for a

very

short time of pushing them because I was voting another scumread. I voted them right after their first reply to me and before the argument started. You know this because you saw it happen. This nonsensical chainsawing is completely absurd, and is making me reverse my read on you.

Will get to other stuff now.

[Ricastle]

I suspect the exact wording of what the name of the purple group are called will be a town tell, because I cannot see anywhere a sample role pm to tip off scum.

Something to keep in mind. I nearly threw it out there but I only have one vote on me, by a player that has voted about 27 other people along the way.

^good as confirmed town

You've also brought to attention what could be a useful one-time pseudo-investigation tool. Thanks for that!

AFB had better provide some content the next time he's here, or else.

Randomidget...fuck low-hanging fruit, he's, like, buried in the fucking dirt fruit. I'd like to know your other choices for lynch today, Mario, because whatever they are they're almost certainly better D1 options than someone who isn't even here yet.

[Ricastle]

This is shallow thinking. Even if they were scum and were scumreading me, they would not say so. I am the only one who is trying to support them, it HURTS their image to try and paint me as scummy.

Why would they keep quiet about a scumread when the pressure is on them and it would be favourable to direct said pressure elsewhere? And it's remarkable that you actually think someone you white-knight should be in your debt...that's such a conceited and warped way to view things. Also it's scummy as shit.

it wasnt a case. I am showing you are scum everytime I reply to you, I will never make a case.

This is really funny because you're actually the one who's being exposed as scum through this debate. This is also pretty much a concession of all your points in 1141 - just look at the bacon getting fried, people!

[Ricastle]

But seriously,
Metal Sonic plans to make a deal with Ricastle with Titus, one that is risky as town. Ricastle then sells his vote, also risky if he were town. However they set the deal up in a way they can abandon it yet still hydrate ricastle without looking odd (while ricsatle was hording hydrates). Then Ric abandons the deal and SB makes no mention of it. He also pushes low hanging fruit: rune.

What the hell was risky about it? Get real!

(his reasoning for SB being town again were "I don't like the wagon"). To make matters worse his "top scum read" is on the seiko wagon along with metal sonic. Why as town would you join a wagon composed of your scum reads?

WHAT? I never said either of those things! Oh and you do realise this is multiball, don't you?

[Ricastle]

The way YOU view things is the one that is ridiculously scummy. A hypothetical ns-scum would grab my words and try to ride them in order to survive. I am Wisdom, my word counts, and ns knows it. He would in no fucking way express dislike at my defending him like he did. He does it because he is town and he genuinely worries that I might be scum. It's all about fucking motivation.

But go on, twist everything into a world where motivations don't matter and everyone is scumbuddies

Oh look, another person conveniently forgetting this is multiball. Although it's fair enough in your case because if you acknowledged that your entire argument would fall apart leaving you exposed.

[Ricastle]

What, via your reasoning as to why they are town? Because that holds no water. You cannot apply scumhunting tells in multiball. Fucking simple as that.

[Ricastle]

AFB has been posting a lot without much content. Random has barely been in the game; I don't think being low-hanging fruit makes him town, but a lynch on someone who has simply not done anything isn't my idea of a good D1 lynch. I'd much prefer to hang scum that could give us significant information.

[Ricastle]

Yes because Seiko is on an IC/Mason level of town, right? Dear me.

Sucking up to your WKing would NOT be the best thing for his image. That would just make him look desperate. But apparently you aren't seeing this because your posts are the word of God.

That's fine and dandy GIF but there was nothing necessarily town about Seiko's scumread. They could easily replicate their paranoid attitude as scum in a game where they are also out to hunt scum, as far as I see it. And if they use such an attitude to hunt scum then why wouldn't they?

[Ricastle]

"Dragons don't exist"

"Uh, no, they obviously do"

"Prove it then!"

"No, you prove that they don't!"

Here there is 0 proof provided that dragons exist. Therefore, it stands to reason that until the second person can provide proof in some form that dragons exist, they are talking out of their ass. You want to make your shitty baseless point anything more than a joke, Wisdom? Then get some fucking proof.

[Ricastle]

How are they advancing the gamestate? You tell me that.

[Ricastle]

The concept of posting by itself is not advancing the gamestate...these last 20 pages are testament to that. Questioning too. So you'd do good to find some examples of questions/posts they have made which are advancing the gamestate.

What 'things' have they made? That's a totally void statement.

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

advancing gamestate

[Ricastle]

Doing things. Trying to read people. Trying to figure out motivations. Trying to figure out mechanics and how they are best utilized. Anything that ultimately is useful in achieving a town wincon.

I believe this is an obvious definition of advancing the gamestate.

Do you really want to argue that Seiko did absolutely nothing of all these? Were their posts just fluff?

Yes, I will argue that they were not doing any of those things in a useful quantity. In fact, they only ever discussed hydration once, in one post, when I asked them about it, and stated also that they didn't think such discussion was advancing the gamestate. What do you say to that?

[Ricastle]

You cannot meta off a single game. That's bullshit.

~Wis

This is town-ns. He doesn't buy weak townreads. Look at Mod Error. Grey faked a fucking innocent on him yet ns continued scumreading him. It's the same here. He thinks I have ill intent in townreading him and says so. What he doesn't understand is that what looks weak to him is me not having the time I'd want to play how I'd want so I post what I can post. But regardless there is clear fucking town motivation in that.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: Bacon and Egg

[Ricastle]

Hey, what about Ricastle vs Bacon/Eggs? That one was awesome because I won.

I actually somewhat agree with 1433.

[Ricastle]

So, yeah, Mario...what are your other lynch candidates?

[Ricastle]

[Ricastle]

That is a twisted and bullshit version of events. What the fuck did I dodge? YOU were the one dodging your responsibility to show how Seiko was advancing the gamestate, and you STILL ARE.

I pushed Rune because he was intentionally trolling and being difficult for no real reason, using his flavour as the only excuse, when he wasn't actually willing to flavourclaim because he "didn't care about it". I pushed Seiko because they were going on about advancing the gamestate when they had not put effort into doing so themselves, which lead me to believe that they were just using it to look useful and get towncred. And I am pushing you because you are white knighting the everloving shit out of Seiko, refusing to back up empty statement after empty statement and expecting people to agree with you, and using ridiculous stubborn logic in your arguments.

Just look at this guy, Generic. He isn't interested in telling the real story; he'd rather change it so I can be scum and his ego can stay intact. He's the one not interested in actually scumhunting. He is scum and I'd love it if you voted him with me.

[Ricastle]

But both of you are showing conviction in what you are claiming... I'm not sold on either of you being the best lynch.

What are your other reads? Are those people listed all still scum reads for you, or are you reading different people as scum now?

What's your take on Humunculi?

I'm still scumreading Seiko hard. My scumread on Rune has weakened significantly to the point where I'm not at all confident in it anymore. TWIE is scum and AFB is a scumread, albeit the weakest of them all.

I have you, Sonic Boom, Mario, Singer, p2 and HH as town. I think for the most part HH has been on point and pretty indiscriminate. They're clearly making good effort to sort the game from what I've seen. Not sure about recently but I'm not really understanding your attack on them either.

Everyone else is null at the moment.

[Ricastle]

"here is how i require you to read this guy, generic"

~Wis

I'm just laying out the facts. You're the one with the false narrative here.

And I take it you aren't interested in backing up your trite? This seems to be a running theme with each of our conflicts.

[Ricastle]

no, you're twisting them to fit your narrative

shouldnt be engaging but yeah

~Wis

Sure, bucko. Just keep on replying only to what you want while pretending you have a leg to stand on.

[Ricastle]

Whoever managed the insta-read, what was it for you that cleared me?

Your opening regarding the town's name.

[Ricastle]

I think you are conceited and self-centered.

YEAH! That's my boy!

[Ricastle]

And then there's the fact that Ricastle seems way more capable and skilled than random - random won't survive for long if scum anyway.

~Wis

Aww, thanks. You won't be lynching me though.

[Ricastle]

Don't need to. I'm just saying...it's not gonna happen.

[Ricastle]

You won't find a single town game of mine where I don't "whiteknight" my townreads. Once again, you're being shallow.

Is ignoring your scumreads' rebuttals to all your points on them and still tunnelling on something you do in all your towngames as well?

[Ricastle]

1480 destroyed your entire case on me so unless you feel like responding to it now I'd suggest you start looking elsewhere.

[Ricastle]

That's also how mislynches happen.

Can anyone else tell me how tunnelling someone while refusing to neither back up your torn down case against them or even modify your read is town motivated?

[Ricastle]

This reminds me of my frustration with mastin in xenogears (hint: I was scum).

-Ceph

Is what I said wrong though? Would you put up with this as town?

[Ricastle]

It's like I'm fated to be lynched or something. Everyone who has voted me so far has either made up or drastically exaggerated something I've done...like, WHERE did I chainsaw for Axe???

Also, I still want to be hydrated. I don't know where you got the idea that I didn't. Just because I'm not obnoxiously spamming the thread about it doesn't mean I don't want it to happen.

[Ricastle]

Hey AFB. Vote Bacon. He's scum as shit.

[Ricastle]

yep, the two scumteams better work together to get rid of me

~Wis

If you think this, why aren't you self-voting?

[Ricastle]

IT'S A WONDERFUL LAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIFE

BUT TWIE NEEDS DEATH

[Ricastle]

FOR HE'S SCUM WITH BROOOOOOOOOOOO

THOUGH WIS COMES FIRST

[Ricastle]

AS HE THINKS I'M HIS SCUM OPPOOOOOOOOHHHHHNENT

AND THAT MY LYNCH GIVES HIM CRED

[Ricastle]

SO JUST VOTE BACON. GOODNIGHT PUPS.

[Ricastle]

Ceph, answer my 1602.

[Ricastle]

VOTE: TheWayItEnds

Here, Wisdom. Consolidate with me on this.

[Ricastle]

@Cait: I don't want to be lynched and I won't let it happen easily. No, and yes.

I do like to feign arrogance, which I do in all of my games.

My wagon is complete bullshit though, like...Bacon has no viable points left against me, as his previous ones were all misreps and baseless statements he refuses to back up. Espsyon is voting me because my short-term deal with SB would apparently be "risky" to do as town which makes zero sense. Mario is voting me because I'm responding to everything with an answer of multiball even when it doesn't apply, which is an untrue exaggeration that anyone can see by quickly ISOing me. I have no idea why HH is voting me, and AFB is sheeping HH for diplomacy.

So before anyone thinks about voting me, I'd like them to consider if a 5-vote wagon with no clear drive behind it is a likely wagon on scum.

Also, Cait, why are you reading TWIE as town? All he has done is take potshots and have that stupid argument with Generic.

[Ricastle]

Fake, not feign. I always think they're the same thing...

[Ricastle]

1477 is a pile of misreps. You have cited nothing in your argument with me. Quit lying.

[Ricastle]

Oh and what's funnier is that not only was 1477 full of misreps, but after I refuted them

you didn't back your points up

. So yeah you are blatantly full of shit.

Pedit: Okay. Refute 1480 then.

[Ricastle]

^^^LOOK AT THIS, PEOPLE. THIS GUY HASN'T GOT SHIT.^^^

[Ricastle]

Horseshit

This is basically a scumclaim to me

Yeah, I can tell immediately you haven't bothered reading my meta.

[Ricastle]

How the fuck do you feel justified handwaving a point about my meta when you don't even know my fucking meta?

This is unbelievable.

[Ricastle]

Hydrate: Singersigner

[Ricastle]

I was a fucking counterwagon to Seiko!

[Ricastle]

seiko is town and a scum-driven wagon so yeah

~Wis

You really are one of the most self-absorbed players I have ever encountered.

[Ricastle]

Yeah. I'm going to take it as "I can't back up shit and I am just arguing for the same arguing".

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Ricastle]

How are you reading these posts, then? And can you show where I'm using multiball as an argument where it doesn't apply?

[Ricastle]

Pretty sure 1223 isn't an appropriate answer.

Hey, speaking of answers, why don't you answer 1891?

Singer, please hydrate yourself. I would rather have unfocused town win than scum.

[Ricastle]

Except I'm town

An I have to say, it's kinda funny with all the people whodont know me well running around calling me scum, all those who do are calling me town

Funny, huh?

And the second question?

[Ricastle]

I hate that glitch...(above is to Mario)

[Ricastle]

Except I'm town

An I have to say, it's kinda funny with all the people whodont know me well running around calling me scum, all those who do are calling me town

Funny, huh?

This is just a fucking terrible-ass beetlejuice, and that's regardless of alignment.

How about some reads?

[Ricastle]

Mod, Randomidget is voting Bacon

[Ricastle]

Right before you started voting for Rune, he was calling Axe obvscum.
Immediately afterwards you awkwardly voted him.

What, the very first time? Because that's bullshit. Same with the other two times. The precedent for each was quite clear and had nothing to do with Axe.

You even drew attention to his read on Axe, tried to make it look bad and then said that his criticisms of your vote were equivalent to your criticisms of his vote.

Colossal misrep. I asked Rune why he had Axe as scum for pushing him based on his trolling and me as probtown for doing the same thing; that's got noting to do with votes!

And then you just drop the vote out of no where and move on.

Leads far better than him appeared, and he did start playing seriously after the push. It was an early push which failed to develop, so I just dropped it.

there are much much better reasons being talked about that you're ignoring

Enlighten me.

Wait, why exactly were you trying to get people to flavourclaim then?

It was a harmless initiative that

may

have resulted in some useful info to help us catch scum. I didn't see logically why anyone would have objections to it.

Why did you vote B&E in 1345?

It should be clear by reading the exchange. He was completely bullshitting and still is.

[Ricastle]

I am voting TWIE.

[Ricastle]

HEY BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERT

Vote TWIE!

[Ricastle]

Wisdom, what would you dare yourself to do if I flipped town equivalent to your confidence in my alignment?

[Ricastle]

Hey Ricastle I looked at your ISO and I can't find why you have been voting TWIE, and campaigning for others to follow suit

He has done effectively nothing and continues to do so. In regards to reads, he sheeped Bacon's, and the individual comments he made on them surmounted to umming and ahing. Other than that he has given a grand total of 1 definitive read this whole game. The only time he's properly engaged so far was to have a pathetic argument with Generic which he dragged out unnecessarily while stressing it wasn't a push. His excuse for his lurking is that he "didn't replace in" but I cannot bring myself to believe that any remotely experienced player's skill window is that narrow.

Basically, he's a hedger that pretends to do stuff sometimes.

Relevancy - What does the ego part have to do with him being scum?

Nothing. But with this being multiball, it's hardly a case for Wistown either.

[Ricastle]

do you have any reasons that arent terrible?

Do you have any reason as to why you aren't voting?

[Ricastle]

Oh yeah, Bert, I forgot to tell you: Mario is scum. So hydrating him would not be a good idea.

[Ricastle]

"your reasons are terrible"

"yeah well you havent voted."

you got me.

It's pretty obvious based off of your previous behaviour that you would not have explained why my reasons were terrible even if I asked. Come on.

Why don't you answer the question?

[Ricastle]

Who?

[Ricastle]

Oh lmao...I thought they were a new replacement. Turns out they're the other Jessica head

[Ricastle]

Wisdom, what would you dare yourself to do if I flipped town equivalent to your confidence in my alignment?

[Ricastle]

Singer, you still need to hydrate yourself.

[Ricastle]

Town
Sonic Boom
Homiletic Homunculi
Generic
Singersigner

Null-Town
p2
Espsyoncheage (very slight)

Null
Randomidget
Oversoul
ZZZX
Bert

Null-Scum
Cait Sith
Angry Frat BROs

Scum
MarioMan4
Seiko x Naomi
TWIE
Wisdom

Honestly Bert, I didn't like how you opened with a claim because it reminds me of what you did in the recent Greatest Idea where you opened the same way (for anyone unaware, he was scum that game). The rest of your content doesn't look that bad at a glance, which is admittedly all I have given it, so I don't know what exactly to make of you yet.

Cait gives me an uneasy feeling whenever I read her posts...I also found it weird when she suddenly hydrated Seiko with no explanation right after I first asked Singer to hydrate herself so Seiko wouldn't win. I can't recall her scumreading me or Singer, which made it especially unprecedented. I also remember a few people saying the Tammy head was looking strange based on meta so there's also that.

Mario is scum because he opportunistically joined my wagon, his reasoning for scumreading me being a shitty misrep. More to the point, he has dodged my requests to validate said reasoning

three times

. I cannot see that coming from town, and

absolutely not

from noobtown which I've read him as previously.

[Ricastle]

Just checking in so everybody knows I'm still here. If you want me to talk about something in these last 7 pages, just ask because I have skimmed the fuck out of them in order to catch up at an adequate pace.

ZZZX is town. Also, @anyone, why is Singer scum?

[Ricastle]

MarioMan4

[Ricastle]

*Maniac

[Ricastle]

It's typical scum frustration for being caught for reasons they cannot understand and the fact I treat him how I do, not willing to talk with him or give him chances to defend himself, just fuels it. Scum are players too, they can have genuine emotion, that's nothing to townread people over.

~Wis

I hope the result of this game will go towards changing your attitude, I really do. Don't get it twisted, you aren't good at scumhunting; you're good at being stubborn and obnoxious.

It's not even about reasons I don't understand, anyway. It's about reasons I don't

know

. Every point that has been brought up against me, I have refuted, and so far I've gotten the last word in every exchange regarding them. All you've been doing since is spamming "Ric is scum" while expecting the possibility of anything other than frustration from the accused party...after they've asked you an innumerable amount of times to back up the read...do you honestly think that is an effective tactic?

[Ricastle]

The fact you call them excuses doesn't make them excuses

[Ricastle]

Bert, why did you ignore the readslist you asked for?

[Ricastle]

While wisdom is not here I'm open for compromise lynch as long as it happens within 48 hours.

MarioManiac4

[Ricastle]

I didn't ignore it, I just haven't responded to it yet, and I'm very lazy so I've been forcing myself to ramble just so I actually don't lurk and fall behind in a huge as heck game. In that game you referenced, I was actually looking for scum as a 3rd party. Also, I remember asking you why Soren is scum, and you said "there is too much to point out, but everything in his ISO pretty much which would take forever to point out"

I can touch on that for a few things.

(1) My predecessor already claimed anyways (and took flak), so I wasn't giving out new info.

(2) the slight town lean you have on Esp seems based on early game. that's the slot I've been hedging about. They keep going back and forth with Wisdom when the two slots could have just gone their own ways and pushed their own reads without keeping on the arguing, which affects the gamestate flow of the game. Well, most of your reads are around the same as they were on page 30 or so. So I'm guessing your reads were stable after the first 30 pages, which makes sense as the game fluffed up after that.

(3) From what your reads list says: Seiko scum is for holding the game and not advancing the gamestate and faking looking useful. Mario is for not responding (and a bad vote on you). I agree about his avoidance being suspicious, he's lurking for whatever reason. Dunno why you think Wisdom is scum, because I think your scumread is for playstyle differences? I guess it's for presenting a BS case on you and not backing off? Agree on Frat BROs null-scum. Nulls make sense, there are a lot of them this game. I can't remember random posting in the lats few days, although I know you think ZZZX looks better now (I agree). I'm actually pretty suspicious of Esp at the moment. I'm guessing you read Sonic based on general play or interactions you've had with them.

I already know you didn't like TWIE's play plus his arguing unnecessarily with Generic.

Your townreads HH and Generic and Singer - dunno about Generic yet, can't write him off, but the other two - I'm worried a bit about Singer. What do you think of HH's play? I'm not going to call HH or Generic town for selfish paranoia reasons, just sort of out of respect for their scum games and personal paranoia.

I also admit I haven't paid too much attention to whatever gambit/test for getting hydrated you did earlier.

Spoiler:

@Wisdom: The only people to be affected by a flavour massclaim are scum, whose flavour I'd assume is different from town's. That's why.

After a bit of rereading on a few players I think Sonic, HH & Mario are town, Bacon probably town, and AFB, Rune & Seiko scum as my primary reads. Sonic looks definitively like bullish town; Mario looks like noob town at a glance and I liked Glass's two posts; and HH is being productive and making good points. I personally think Bacon's pedit complaints were more likely to come from town trying to get into the game and Wisdom's latest posts were good.

For all their talk about advancing the gamestate, Seiko has made very little effort to do so themselves. Most of their time has been spent arguing with Sonic about holding up the game which in turn was...holding up the game...subsequently, the only scumhunting they've actually done so far is a weak and forgettable push on Oversoul. They also quickly abandoned the conversation with me about the game in general. This all leads me to believe that their crowing about the gamestate is just a ploy to look useful. I also hated their responses to Sonic's initial push on them, looking back. It reads very much like "these are the wrong reasons to catch me".

AFB is giving me bad vibes all around. He's been buddying a lot and his pushes/suspicions have been very safe and passive. His interactions with HH are also making me uneasy but I'm liking HH so

I have the slightest townlean on Espyon if only for the fact that I haven't seen anyone really try to positively interact with them. I may be wrong on that though.

Rune's latest post has not convinced me in the least. His trolling was without question antitown so I have no idea why he's railing on Axe for attacking him about it, especially considering I did the same thing and he has me as probtown. I'm also suspicious of his interactions (directly or indirectly) with AFB.

That's all I've got for now. I'm not very focused on this game honestly so most of this is probably bullshit but I hope for that to change soon. Oh and just so y'all know I'm still the best hydrate target so if you could all hydrate me that would be great.

Quick readlist from just me, even though I hate them, because yall don't seem to be able to keep my opinions straight.

Town
oversoul
afb
breakfast
mm4 (glass)
ricastle
p2
singer
zzzx
random
cait sith
sonic
rune
seiko
twie
espyondhfuhdcge
axe
Less town

-Ceph

Wow, you're excellently agreeable. That could be due to overexposure to Wisdom but still. On the subject of Wisdom, yes, that is more or less the basis of my read. Sonic is obvtown as far as I'm concerned.

The thing that keeps getting me about Espy is that everybody always has nothing but a bad word to say about them. Then again, that increases the probabilities of bussing...well, I'm not comfortable lynching them right now, anyhow.

When Singer was contributing I liked her a lot; namely, she spoke my mind before I could multiple times. I don't find it unusual at all for one to get lost & lose interest in a rapidly growing game like this while preoccupied with other matters. What's pinging you about her exactly?

HH's direction has had some good points and bad points, which is null, but I'm willing to trust them based on their good points; which were almost entirely in the early game when it wasn't complete chaos, so. What do you make of their play, if anything?

---------------------------------------------

Also, it's about time this was fully proposed.

Who is in favour of a Mario compromise wagon?

Getting to you now, Cheet.

[Ricastle]

Lol. It's pretty great that you're implying that scum explicitly chainsaws people. Like "GRRR GET AWAY FROM MY SCUMBUDDY!"

What I meant was that each of my votes on Rune had a clear buildup towards it. Rune was barely, if at all, pushing Axe around any of those times either.

I have to say that you calling this the bolded rather than just a potential misunderstanding seems pretty jumpy and seems out of place for you having a townread on Ceph and I. Why the weird discrepancy?

Far as I see it, a misrep is a misrep, intentional or not. Although you are right; it was too abrasive. Nothing much I can say otherwise really.

Gonna need to be more articulate than that if you want me to take you seriously when you complain about people scumreading you for no reason.

At that point, he was relentlessly chainsawing for Seiko while refusing to actually defend them with material arguments. He's pretty much been like that all game - arguing for the sake of it while making as few concrete points as possible and acting arrogant all the same.

[Ricastle]

-> she came back and discussed with Wisdom about stuff (setup related, a defense of herself, and NK possibility of herself mostly), but managed to not give opinions about other players, even though she placed a vote on TWIE when she came back. i feel like she felt like she was onto something in the first 30 pages of the game, and the reads would probably hold true

Meh. Most of that I can easily see from disengaged/distracted town. And she was suspecting TWIE early on, wasn't she? I can't recall.

[Ricastle]

Pardon me sir, but I'm an American and I didn't understand at least one of the words here

U serious?

Unlike the current wagons I think a Mario wagon will have enough support to actually go through. The game will continue to stagnate unless something changes soon so I say at this point we should just get it going.

VOTE: MarioManiac4

Why are people townreading ZZZX, I can't think of anything super notable that he's done except the worlds slowest and most neutral catchup posting.

I liked how he put himself out there against Wisdom. As said, nothing else he's done warrants much of a read, so yeah.

[Ricastle]

I'd join if it got more steam. Then again, I'd say the same of most people at this point, but I think MM4 has a reasonable shot of flipping mafia.

Why not just join now? That'll

get

steam on the wagon. And I think your vote would be more useful there than just diplomatically sheeping HH.

[Ricastle]

I'm still not feeling great about a ricastle lynch, but I'd still move my vote there. Ri castle if you are uneasy about me and you think people are worried about me by meta, why ARENT you engaging those people about it or looking it up for yourself? I didn't hydrate Neil's because I'm scum reading you or singer and the timing has nothing to do with it. I'd meant to hydrate him earlier and forgot. Im not going to hydrate singer because I think she's already a high priority night kill. And I feel better about giving it to Neiko than you. I don't know what my read on you is and I don't have a reason to believe you'd make a good hydrate choice nor would I be able to evaluate your choice whereas I don't have those problems with Neiko and quite frankly I just don't think you're a good hydrate choice.

People who know you have expressed uneasiness based on your meta. That's all I need, and all I care to need for that particular point.

You just forgot, eh.

[Ricastle]

MarioManiac replaced Glass

fuck no.

VOTE: TWIE

And what major relevance does that have exactly? Glass made 2 posts. Unless you're saying he obvtowned from that?

[Ricastle]

I'd be down for hydrating p2.

[Ricastle]

[Ricastle]

Scum is either herding town the fuck around or this town is dumb as shit. Either way, if my lynch is what it's going to take for town to get its shit together, then so be it.

VOTE: Ricastle

Lynch any of my scumreads, or Bert, tomorrow. That is my only request. I'm out, motherfuckers!

[Ricastle]

What's everyone's Crossy Road highscore? Mine's 781.

[Ricastle]

Hey AP, be a big bird and vote me will you? I'd hate to find a scummy pigeon nesting in my hedge.

[Ricastle]

Oh look, one page until 100.

[Ricastle]

Wouldn't that be a nice number to get to before day end?

[Ricastle]

Which is smarter: Crows or pigs? The ongoing saga.

[Ricastle]

HAHA

BYE THEN

[Ricastle]

100 coming up

[Ricastle]

Yep, the big 1 0 0 folks. THREE digits.

[Ricastle]

Town
Sonic Boom
Homiletic Homunculi
Generic
Singersigner

Null-Town
p2
Espsyoncheage (very slight)

Null
Randomidget
Oversoul
ZZZX
Bert

Null-Scum
Cait Sith
Angry Frat BROs

Scum
MarioMan4
Seiko x Naomi
TWIE
Wisdom

WOAH A LIST WHERE DID THAT COME FROM

[Ricastle]

""wisdom""

[Ricastle]

Hey Wisdom it's your last chance to answer that pointless question!

[Ricastle]

I need to have something to bring up post game.

[Ricastle]

Hey Wisdom, when we hit page 101 it would be a perfect time for you to start studying scumhunting 101!

[Ricastle]

Hunting the other scumteam you dewfas

[Ricastle]

Who's the bacon and who's the eggs btw?

[Ricastle]

NOPE!

[Ricastle]

Nobody wants to be the egg then.

You should get a woman in that hydra.

[Ricastle]

Get it?

EGG

?

[Ricastle]

I'm assuming Wisdom gets that every year?

[Ricastle]

Bacon ego shattering in 3...2...1...

[Ricastle]

Even better: I can laugh at you in the dead thread.