We The Purple II Game Over

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TWIE damn it.

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YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY NO KILL



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TOWN GOT LYNCHED


who's fault is it? lets point fingers at Wisdom


VOTE: TWIE

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now you guys sheep me im better

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i think the people complaining about nobody dying are scum


town love no kills

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VOTE: AP

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I'm feeling the energy atm!
Someone ask me something!

P-Edit:

i think the people complaining about nobody dying are scum


town love no kills

I like flips though.
-Cheet

true

there is some inherent bloodlust

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I TOLD YOU WE SHOULD HAVE HYDRATED SINGER

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@Sonic...are you dumb? Town hate no kills because they're left with literally the same information they had going into night, which is considerably less than scum!

wat?

why would town hate the removal of scum's greatest weapon?




WAT THE F SINGER IM NOT READING THAT

p-edit: probably singer wouldnt have died either. and we wouldn't hydrate scum

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okay i lied i read them all

hi singer

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just wondering how i got on your scumreads

may you please stroke my ego by telling me how i got out of that sad spot

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#2569 is ewwwwww over explained.

Singer I see you wrote a lot about the game but I am not going to have time to digest that for awhile. If you have more immediate questions, feel free to ask. Otherwise, you will need to wait a day or two until I can break that down.

God damn ninjas.

Please bold any immediate questions to me. Otherwise deferring to Sonic.

~Titus

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*grrrrrrr*

~Titus

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VOTE: TWIE

hydrate singer

checkpoint. i gotta study.

postcount will be less for like a week because titus is also busy

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Mod: Is that VC change for AngryPigeen role related or is that just you trolling us?

it's just me trolling AP

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If it makes anyone feel any better I yelled at Anen for making empty posts so hopefully that gets better because I'm pretty fucking obviously town when I post.

Anen is actually the head I like the most out of your hydra... why the fuck do you think his posts are empty?

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787 and 797 from Titus/Sonic...what made you decide I was “obvtown” between these posts?

did this get answered yet, i actually care about it

Don't care to check if this was answered before. Singer was pretty town, and still is. The comment about the VCA (which is shit to do day 1) is a pretty obvtown thing to say. Plus people were recognizing Singer as town meaning obvtown.

The only thing to give me pause on that is you. I am aware of the value of repetition, so asking many different sources on why buddies or townbeards are town is helpful. I don't see why or how this could be important to you in another sense.

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#2684, Singer and Seiko

Usually scum motivated and stupid town motivated are presented as dichotomies, not options where you can take both. This reply is awfully fence shitty to singer's question.

Or maybe you're trying to win over Bacon?

Or you're whiteknighting her because from your perspective there's less scum you're looking for?



Singer, can we vote Seiko together?

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its a sonic post.

how much more talking do we need to do?

Talk talk talk talk


We want actual fucking substance. Your post count is fucking irrelevant but Seiko will chainsaw for you any day and twice on Sunday.

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Singer, can we vote Seiko together?

what the fuck?

We just had a nokill after we hydrated Seiko, how the fuck can Seiko be scum?

How the fuck can they be town? That's the question.

There's supposedly two kills. There's only one thing that clears Seiko and I'm not about to ask as it's rolefishing and they'd likely just say "Yup" that's what happened. There's plenty of mechanics ways there can be no kills in multiball and STILL have Seiko be scum.

If Seiko's so obvtown, why are they threatened by me doubting their status as obvtown? Hmm...

There were two roles last night. Even if both are the same fucking role, Seiko isn't clear.

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So go ahead and explain to me how two kills means Seiko is clear, and I'll show you how that isn't necessarily true.

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Given the fact that Brantz wasn't lynched solely because of "ZOMG clear", we're going to not clear anyone based on setup until it actually is proven they are clear. I can come up with SEVERAL ways no kill happens without Seiko being town.

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Ways Sekio is not clear

Scums kill Seiko and her hydration selection
The hydration item is a role block or lightning rod
Seiko scum no kill, and item is a bulletproof vest
Seiko team no kill, item stopped another kill

Items are doctors and Seiko healed who she hydrated and hydration healed her.

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Gtg

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Special Mechanics:
all players start off as VT's and each day, people vote for a person who becomes hydrated as well as a person who gets lynched. Power votes are plurality and lynch votes are majority. In the event that two people tie for hydration, the one who reached the most people first, gains their power. The following night, the person chooses one other player to gain a power along with them and chosen person will learn of their power the following day.

Well we know what you're claiming you got then. Otherwise the fact no one died is a scum claim.

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Why do you try to force your wrong opinions instead of listening? I fucking told you Ricastle was town.

Even if Seiko claims commuter/bulletproof, her team could no kill. The chick isn't clear by setup and has zero desire to act protown or force protown play from others. Even if I cannot get her lynched today, then I will still remind people she isn't clear. That's my job. Stop unnecessary setup clears that hurt us.

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hi

thanks titus



someone tell me if a BP role is more town utility or more scum utility???? in multiball??

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seiko should replace out and put back into notscience

at least we can stop expecting good things or hoping for pie to return

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hydration mechanics say that whoever got hydrated know what their PR is

i'm sure shos got GI to pull off a similar PR trick in Mod Error mafia, getting Iecerint conveniently to track GI to shos. and bus him. and somehow GI still got lynched.


this is a way easier PR trick. whoever is saying that this will 'conftown' seiko, slap yourself. especially if you played in Mod Error

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whatever, fuck this shit, lynch TWIE

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wisdom owes me 1 sheep

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"Ricastle is the counterwagon to TWIE!!!!! OMGEEEEZ"


yeah, damn right it is.

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Why do you try to force your wrong opinions instead of listening? I fucking told you Ricastle was town.

Even if Seiko claims commuter/bulletproof, her team could no kill. The chick isn't clear by setup and has zero desire to act protown or force protown play from others. Even if I cannot get her lynched today, then I will still remind people she isn't clear. That's my job. Stop unnecessary setup clears that hurt us.

So the argument is scum BP/commuter and no-kill so they can argue they are conftown?

If so why are they not arguing they are conftown?

they arent even here.

plus. did GI argue he was conftown? no he didnt. you did. lol.

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Why do you try to force your wrong opinions instead of listening? I fucking told you Ricastle was town.

Even if Seiko claims commuter/bulletproof, her team could no kill. The chick isn't clear by setup and has zero desire to act protown or force protown play from others. Even if I cannot get her lynched today, then I will still remind people she isn't clear. That's my job. Stop unnecessary setup clears that hurt us.

So the argument is scum BP/commuter and no-kill so they can argue they are conftown?

If so why are they not arguing they are conftown?

they arent even here.

plus. did GI argue he was conftown? no he didnt. you did. lol.

until you didn't. when he voted you

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i did what? I got GI lynched. Get your facts straight.

This discussion stops here because we are not touching Seiko ever anyway.

i agree that seiko shouldn't be touched for today. and a few more days.


kill TWIE plz

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i love bert

except when he's my neighbor

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you guys must be seriously fucking kidding.


Bacon and Egg. 1 scumread. There are like, 6? scum here in this game, mind you

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VOTE: TWIE

hydrate singer

repeat

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Also Wisdom I'm sorry and I'm gonna try to be nicer to you/about you.

said no town ever to me.

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Bert, there is a major flaw with that theory if Seiko is town. The only way I see Seiko being town is if she got a PR that let her absorb both kills. If that could happen forever, the game would be broken night 1 for whichever side got the first hydration. Rehydrating Seiko, therefore, is a foolish maneuver.

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you seriously think bacon is scum

I seriously think he is anti-town. Scum would not surprise me, even the most stubborn of town should be capable of change.

We don't vote the townbeards. I am not voting Bacon.

TWIE is the lynch.

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you are exactly what i'm talking about when i complain about everyone's cassandra complex

If you think he has a Cassandra complex, you should not vote him as that means you think he's town.

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hi, more people on TWIE, this wagon is too small, it needs your help,

berty sheepie needs your help

MOO

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hey espy

get you ass on TWIE

else im getting mine on yours

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unvote

note to self not to trust the reads of anyone still pushing espsy

While I think you are probably right, the whole Anen posting empty posts thing bothers me. I still have not got an answer to that.

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This gives me flashbacks to InuYasha. Had a wagon on scum. It was totally town. The wagon was based on them not doing anything. I said so repeatedly. YnB laughed in my face until being forced into that shitty friendly neighbor claim.

AP, can we cut out the shit in the middle and lynch TWIE?

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hey espy

get you ass on TWIE

else im getting mine on yours

Only if you promise we can take care of Wisom and or at the very least you won't listen to anything he says anymore. Considering I am counterwagon to scum, I don't know what you think threatening to vote me will change.

And yes they'll answer your questions HH as soon as they get back. I haven't heard from either of them either but I'll keep posting in my hydra PT until they do so.

If Wisdom starts voting scum, we would be glad to have him. Given his reads seem divorced from reality, we have no intention of following him.

If he joins reality, we would consider following him.

Now vote TWIE

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This gives me flashbacks to InuYasha. Had a wagon on scum. It was totally town. The wagon was based on them not doing anything. I said so repeatedly. YnB laughed in my face until being forced into that shitty friendly neighbor claim.

AP, can we cut out the shit in the middle and lynch TWIE?

Oh boy, we're bringing up that game? Iec and I wrecked Lemniscate scum so thoroughly D1 amidst cries of "newbies wouldn't claim mason like that as maf". So hard that both teams killed our slot.

InuYasha mafia. And obviously YnB needed to be lynched after failing to confirm their role.

Yes. Yet, Titus was insane for pushing that. Here can we get rid of obvscum today. Please...

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Cephrir, whenever you want to piss Titus off, just mention your game.

Lol.

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hey espy

get you ass on TWIE

else im getting mine on yours

Only if you promise we can take care of Wisom and or at the very least you won't listen to anything he says anymore. Considering I am counterwagon to scum, I don't know what you think threatening to vote me will change.

And yes they'll answer your questions HH as soon as they get back. I haven't heard from either of them either but I'll keep posting in my hydra PT until they do so.

If Wisdom starts voting scum, we would be glad to have him.

Given his reads seem divorced from reality, we have no intention of following him.

If he joins reality, we would consider following him.

Now vote TWIE

So I was about to QTF but then I feel like I need you to clarify if this means you think he's town.

I feel gross that the wagon I like best right now is Bacon and that's because Wisdom can't get his shit straight, not because I think he's scum. Can someone else why Bert seems to be a townread? Why Oversoul's seemingly off the table (being 100% the opposite of S&V) for today? Can we get a wagon on Generic?

Preview Edit:
@Espsyoncheange...what about TWIE's posting is different? Examples?

QTF

Yes I do think Wisdom is town. I get more paranoid if we agree on anything. In Playing with Elements, our last game. Wisdom went through House and Silverwolf as scumreads before landing on the serial killer who also wasn't group scum. We lynched who he wanted AGAIN and we hit someone who shockingly wasn't group scum again. I was just stating that if Wisdom wakes up, I'd wake room for him but I doubt it.

There is literally zero town motivation in anything TWIE posts. I was willing to compromise on Seiko (no one will vote there but they are still scum) and others yesterday and we lynched my townreads anyway when I was playing nice so what incentive is there for me to play nice.

The only way we will actually lynch my scumread is if we vote the fuck out of them.

Not someone who has been busy and on vla. Sorry Singer. If the pattern with Oversoul continues when they get back from VLA, I'd consider it but that's only due to being so fucking right in Signs and Void. The rest of this town just ignores facts they don't like because they don't fit in their worldview.

I'd love it if someone made a case on TWIE that was more than Sonic's an asshole or "no scum motivation".

Or we can skip to the part where TWIE flips scum. Thanks.

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When the hell do I actually get sheeps?

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I feel gross that the wagon I like best right now is Bacon and that's because Wisdom can't get his shit straight, not because I think he's scum.

Ya :/
Frankly I can make both town/scum cases on most of the players in this game and that's getting tiresome. I should probably make an effort to think about all that on my own. I get the sense people are writing them off as town for being aggressive, but something really feels off about them. Regardless, I'm glad someone is saying things that make sense to me in this game. That is refreshing.

Then take a stance at random, do jumping jacks, use a random number generator.

You seem confortable on that fence. Do something to get off it. It's ok to be wrong occasionally. I am. The early game people are less likely to be right. We take stances, push shit and then recalibrate if necessary.

Anything is fucking possible. It's possible TWIE is tanking his town game like ika does. I doubt it. We can get caught up in possible or we can actually just say this is what's likely.

Stalling for "possible" should be done in lylo.

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Yeah, that would be what I'm asking for.

All I'm getting is vague "reasons". Nothing specific. No reason. No nothing. Gee, just scum wouldn't post that vague shit.

There is zero scumhunting zero anything useful in that ISO.

TWIE has so much resistance but no one actually showing he's fucking town. No one showing he's actually scumhunting. Hint: He's not.

There's a REASON when I tunnel on people.

His buddies are just saying he's town, all the while encouraging Bacon to do stupid shit like wagon obviously town Ricastle.

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Didn't I just say use something other than Sonic is an asshole?

Besides, I didn't have a vendetta coming into the game.

Even if Sonic was carrying over a vendetta and refusing to let it go, that doesn't say anything about TWIE's alignment.

~Titus

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There is literally zero town motivation in anything TWIE posts

There is zero scum motivation in anything TWIE has posted.

Bullshit.

By not scumhunting, he can't get "caught" by having bad or unpopular reads, he leaves zero associative tells, he stalls the game because someone will notice this. Someone else will say well there's nothing scummy in the void of nothingness he's posted.

I have said this like five times and you've never engaged this point at all.

It's beyond frustrating at this point.

Do you two always argue with each other this much in past games?

Playing with Elements, Central Park.

God damn it.

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I think the best example of "wisdom fails" is the spectacular example of a lynch had yesterday.

And I'm not even bringing up my own meta examples!

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~sonic

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Wisdom, we've reached out to you so many times. Stop acting like we're being unreasonable for being principled. You want a dialogue. I've told you what I need. Something more than Sonic's an asshole and "no scum motivation". I can't listen to things that aren't evidence.

Now, why are you not listening to us? You've been proven wrong this game. We haven't been. You know we aren't scum, and you're just being pissed we won't listen to you. Well we ARE if you actually provide substance rather than just putting your fingers in your ears and expecting us to change our minds. It would be so easy just to vote you and remove the impediment to actually lynching scum, but I don't vote town no matter how moronic the reads are.

If you also want us to move, if you actually provided a read that was scum, we'd be willing to work with you. Right now, our mutual scumread is actually tied for the largest wagon. So why shouldn't you listen to us?

~Titus

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

That's the thread. They kept on saying House is being non-sensical to draw reactions and other blantantly bad bullshit to keep the fight between House and SW going. He did technically profess a townread on the three of us mid-way through upon rereading it, but the way he's going after House is not the way people treat "townreads". We try to build townreads up, unless impossible. (He's the Wax slot for the record.)

I was a tracker, that essentially broke the game as a failsafe if my reads were wrong.

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Really, I think the ISO speaks for itself. There's one thing to appear to be a peacemaker, there's another to actually try to get people to get along. You don't tear people down while actually trying to get people to get along.

Everyone can review that game and see what they think for themselves.

Now, have you actually responded to my point Singer graciously quoted in #3108. Where's the fucking towniness in TWIE's posting?

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You were saying everything that wolf and I perceived was accurate but that we should Townread each other despite him being blatantly bad.

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Spoiler: Posts

Lying to get scum reads is not good.

anything is good to get scum reads

~Wis

I have no fucking clue but he knows my town game and has never misread me when I'm town. He is misreading me with lies and misrep and I don't like being manipulated by scum because he's manipulated me as scum before and I'm not letting him get away with it again.

Well, maybe if you figured out why you reads you as scum, you'd realise that there isn't much lying. If you want to disprove his meta, go right ahead, yelling at him and cluttering the thread won't help.

He's also town.

-Xay

No because it causes people to scum read you.

and? who cares

~Wis

so do you accept it as a possible reason to fuel a first time behavior like this?

~Wis

No because it causes people to scum read you.

and? who cares

~Wis

Because you make yourself mislynch bait. I can never ever do that without getting mislynch end. Hell scum just love that anyway though.

you might not.

not everyone thinks that way.

i dont care about getting scumread. i actually like getting scumread because i can catch scum who are faking scumreads on me.

i think house is more like me than like you.

~Wis

house pls stop being bad

house pls stop being bad

You're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Stop it.

this is what you are doing

Exactly!!

Oh really? You say House is a liar and expect that to go over well? And you accuse him of arguing for arguing's sake...

That sounds like you dodging my point on where is TWIE's towniness?

~Titus

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singer are you really asking me if I have replied to a non-point?

All of Titus's bullshit are Titus's make-believe. TWIE has nowhere tried to stall and has nowhere rejected to produce reads.

Oh really?

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Spoiler: Selected TWIE quotes

TWIE, you play bad regardless of alignment. I know people feel that way about me day 1 as well. You tend to get on this self-lynch woe is me and then defend scum. So *shrug* Even now, with so much going on, all you are focused on is diverting our attention.

Scumhunt.

Actually no.

Im busy fucking with Sonic because I find it funny.

I'm asking you to explain why you agreed with the policy because im pretty sure I've never misread you.

Solid deflections though.

That post literally explains my viewpoint. It's clear as day I want people to push scumreads, even if they disagree with ours. I had seen some resistance to wagons forming there.

Now who do you think is scum? And if you respond with a non answer or lynch me crap I will tunnel you.

So you read the part where you also call for people to lynch me then?

Also your slot is already tunneling me.

I literally dont know if you could come up with an emptier threat than that.

TWIE FOR FUCKS SAKE

if i reach page 30 without any scum hunt from you I will fucking vote you , call it policy or call it scum hunt, Stop trying to deflect to the issue of the gameplay. that seems like pure scum intent and even if it wasn't being in the thread and not trying is not an excuse, if you wana keep that better just fucking lurk and save me the calories i spend shouting at you. (p11)
also oversoul is towny.
Random is leaning scum only slightly.

I like these threats after the fact. This scares me almost as much as titus telling me she was gonna tunnel me.

Lynched, maybe.

Nightkilled seems less likely.

does this not bother you

why did you sign up for this game

real question, i honestly want to know

Because no large themes needed a replacement.

you used to be a decent player

what happened

I didnt replace in.

i dont normally find my reads this early to be very good.

I have no problem fucking around until the point where i do.

Replacing in lets me skip this step.

Im not calling you scum.

I'm calling you an asshole.

Actually what I am is extremely annoyed that the two of you just made AP replace out.

APs reaction still has literally nothing to do with your scum read.

Literally.

Nothing.

lol

"your reasons are terrible"

"yeah well you havent voted."

you got me.

vote: Singer

TWIE's FIRST VOTE is 2190. 2190. He doesn't even vote the entirety of Day 1. You know who uses Day 1 to get scumreads and crack the game using VCA. ME. So yes, any game where I am town it's a total utter stall tactic not to place a single god damn vote. There's plenty of posts, that I have quoted where TWIE will get around to doing shit "later". There's no investigation going on in his ISO. None at all. You know who would tell TWIE to not vote day 1, scum. I haven't seen a townie EVER in the entirety of day 1 ever deliberately not vote but once. That was me and I had a funky role where it was advantageous for me NOT to vote.

It needs to be later now. TWIE would have questions... if he was acutally fucking town. He's not.

~Titus

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You two combined for 1500+ posts in that game

What. I saw one post where Titus said that she could catch Wax if he's scum, and not to worry. Interesting.

Also, from a cursory glance it seems like Wisdom did more clarifying/analysis of each player 1 by 1 in depth than in this game. This game Wis has yelled for people to join his wagon pretty much, different game different player list I suppose

Yes, Wisdom keeps yelling to lynch... not group scum. And when he cooperates, group scum get lynched. So by god, I want to fucking work with him.

~Titus

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Yes, Wisdom keeps yelling to lynch... not group scum.

Because an SK isn't scum, right? We didn't need to lynch him to win the game. We were better off lynching MathBlade, wgeurts, and the other townies you just wouldn't stop tunneling on no matter how much I was shouting at you.

They shouldn't read as groupscum at first. They are alone and should look like it. Catching an SK is just luck, not skill.

~Titus

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You want to fucking work with me? I am literally telling you what I need. You can keep saying I'm not listening. I am telling you I need evidence. I don't do touchy feely as town. You know that by now. Why the fuck won't you cooperate?

~Titus

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You know what, good luck.

Singer gets it. Maybe she'll vote TWIE and we'll get a wagon going and she can communicate with you. I don't need every town vote, I just need enough of them and you are absolutely refusing to communicate.

~Titus

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What about it is a non-point? She makes a very good point about how it's very easy for scum to just coast by and if by happenstance get caught, their team is safe. You say he's "no where stalled or no where denied producing reads" but where is he doing it voluntarily? Where's the transparency? What lack of scum motivation specifically made you think he was town?

How about you show me where he purposefully stalled or refused to produce reads, with a clear intent of achieving what Titus and apparently you too claim?

unhydrate

hydrate: AP

cant believe I accepted hydrating signer.

I have already fucking done that. Where he would talk more if Sonic Boom would shut up. Here's a hint, he didn't so I stopped shutting up.

~Titus

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hi. need me?

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hi wisdom.

Let's talk about Touhou MiltoF makai mix

Wisdom was wagoning Kagami day 1...

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and he was all for "Kagami is scum! Lynch her!" despite metal sonic's pleas not to...

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Wisdom also shot ActionDan, got Titus hydra lynched, and then shot Ankamius. All 3 scum.

You were saying, MS?

and metal sonic was crying out loud "Kagami is town dude. If you're wrong, this one's on you"...

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Where he would talk more if Sonic Boom would shut up. Here's a hint, he didn't so I stopped shutting up.

This is still a lie, he nowhere said that. All he said was "you have Sonic Boom guys, you don't need me". The rest if your own misrep.

Nah, just plugging your ears and calling something a lie doesn't make it true. I want to fucking work with you. You are making that impossible by pretending you are a god and I should bow at your feet. I'm perfectly capable of admitting I am wrong from time to time.

I'd like some from you. I get it that you want TWIE scum to coast because it would be a blow to your pride that Titus could be right and you'd be wrong.

Then fucking talk to us about some other reads. We can try to meet in the middle if we talk.

Just trashing each other gets us nowhere.

~Titus

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I wasn't wrong about ETL. I was wrong about quilford

And bbmolla was my slot. Get your facts right before interfering in a conversation that does not involve you?


wow 6 p edits
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This game.
Zzzzzzz.

Espewhatever.
You said you're feeling unsure about B&E right now and are just kind of policy voting him.
What would you say are your top three scumreads right now and why?

P-Edit: And metal was wrong about ETL/bbmolla in Team Mafia. Woop woop.
Bacon and Sonic can you both stop having an ego battle over fucking nothing?
-Cheet.

ETL was scum in team mafia. I was wrong about BBMolla.

We are lynching your scumbuddy. You should bus to try and convince me I am wrong.

~Titus

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You know what? Pick anyone other than Seiko, TWIE, Generic, HH and Bert and I'll wagon them with you. Anyone. This game is not fucking going anywhere if we keep ego fighting.

pedit: @ms

Let's see here, I'll talk about those names being exempted... you just exempted all of my major fucking scumreads though...so you'll have to us time.

*pulls Sonic from thread*

~Titus

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The burden of proof IS on the one who is making the accusation, not on the one who is disagreeing with it.

The burden of proof is on the persuader actually. You just have impossible standards.

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Guys its great when we avoid the point of what I was making to point out me being wrong about details.
Go fuck yourselves.
This game is literally the fucking worst right now because you're hunting for best scumhunter rather than actual fucking scum and it's garbage.
You guys want to lynch TWIE? Go ahead.
I literally just tried to engage you and you swatted me away like a fucking asshole and postured about me being scum for no fucking reason.
Can we lynch me instead of TWIE?
Please?
That'd be great.
I'd rather be able to focus on games that aren't full of completely shit self-centric play.
-Cheet.

Actually, if you'd shut up, you'd realize that Wisdom and I are trying to work together. Your pity play is pathetic because you'd actually be the second person I would have wanted to lynch but Wisdom ruled you out. So I'm conferring with Sonic.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

Wisdom, we're not asking you about mythical killed cats. We're asking you to show anything Townie that TWIE did. TWIE has dodged giving reads, dodged my VCA, and has zero drive to hunt scum. Look just be quiet about how much of dicks we are, and Sonic and I can come back with a joint read to discuss.

[Sonic Boom]

yeah guys this makes sense

Titus: I claim TWIE killed two innocent cats yesterday. Scum.
Wisdom: But where do you see that happening in the thread? Are you crazy?
singer: You are not showing us how TWIE didn't kill the cats.

dunno. Maybe it's me that has gone crazy but I dont see how I can fucking prove how things that didn't happen didn't happen.

I can prove that wisdom did lynch town did lynch town!

[Sonic Boom]

We need to have thirty pages.
Of Titus/Sonic/Wisdom shitting on each other.
So they can work together.
Just so that when anyone calls them out on it, one of them shits on the person calling them out until they shut up.
Super fun game guys.
Lots of fun.

Stop demotivating people.

[Sonic Boom]

You know what? Pick anyone other than Seiko, TWIE, Generic, HH and Bert and I'll wagon them with you. Anyone. This game is not fucking going anywhere if we keep ego fighting.

pedit: @ms

Then what is this if not trying to work with us?

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: AP

I have decided.

Sheep.

[Sonic Boom]

lol and now she even votes sonic boom

Actually, that was Sonic.

[Sonic Boom]

Derp, wrong vote you're talking about.

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: AP

I have decided.

Sheep.

~sonic

[Sonic Boom]

VOTE: singer

Can I get anyone at all to care about how singer enters my 1v1 with Titus to align herself with Titus's logic that makes zero goddamn sense and after that she completely gets out of it and votes Titus?

Ugh, this is the first thing you've ever said in forever that makes sense.

I need to get drunk.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

we are killing AP

This is the same "egging on TvT" that Cephrir did in smite mafia and I caught him for

Get him

[Sonic Boom]

Titus how late can you stay up? I want to Skype call you. And you have a really nice voice

[Sonic Boom]

Calling you now Sonic.

VOTE: unvote

[Sonic Boom]

you can join the call if you want

I want to hear you sing

[Sonic Boom]

I can't call yet maybe later I just got home

[Sonic Boom]

Call me in a bit. I want to talk to you about our vote. That Singer vote is really bad, and does read as if she's been placating us the entire time. We also need to talk about how to proceed with Wisdom. Thanks for covering me during my rough patch.

[Sonic Boom]

VLA 1 week minus 1 wall post, with our current reads. Please actually try to accomplish something while we're gone. Thanks.

~ObvTitus

[Sonic Boom]

1. Cait Sith (mala+Tammy) - Needs to post more. Tammy, according to some in Signs and Void, obvtowns when town. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen anything scummy either. Given the fact I haven't seen anything scummy from them, willing to take them off the table. This won't last too long though. Sonic says Tammy is usually a high volume poster but hasn't been this game and wonders why.

2. Seiko x Naomi (notscience+pieguyn) - Play screams scum hard defending TWIE. Role suggests clear (but not confclear). If I had a cop, I'd check them. (Which probably has just excluded us from hydration but I really don't give a fuck.) We can take them off the table for a few days, to see if scum cross kill as they are unlikely to be lynched even if they scumslipped (not saying they have).

Seiko's vote is expected because it reads like someone being butthurt over me not townreading them, much like TBone/Kurbo/UT in We didn't playtest this. They aren't conftown but can't handle the suspicion on their slot because they feel entitled to be read that way, despite the fact, we'd be regarded as looney toones for having said read and it would keep them alive longer due to the fact they could be mislynchable.

3. Sonic Boom (metal sonic+Titus) - Towniest town that ever towned. Fuck you if you can't actually listen for once. I've admitted when I was wrong and done things that should indicate that I'm actually learning, but I'm starting to feel like the thread just does the opposite of whatever I want no matter what I do. I avoid posting, everyone avoids posting. I post. People claim I am pushing what I want to hard despite no one actually discussing my reads when I'm not here.

4. randomidget - Lurktastic. Shit tastic. Bad logic. Same category as Oversoul. Would vote it to get a lynch off though. Wouldn't cry if he died.

5. Angry frat BROS (Angrypigeon+BROseidon) * AngryPigeon - Awkward entry to start the day, speculating about bulletproof status. Kinda common but still awkward. He's been much more of a sheep than I would expect. Although he was batshit wrong in Street Racers about amateur, AP had more of a presence there and was a town leader. Gun to my head, could vote him.

6. ricastle - We fucking told you he was town.

7. Bacon and egg (wisdom+gif) - Town cuz pain in the ass. ALthough maybe just maybe you can see #3217 is my world every fucking town game. I see town after town get mislynched, and feel ignored. Welcome to my world Wisdom. He can't explain his head but when he tries like 3217 we get somewhere.

8. singersigner - Pushes Oversoul for lurking. Defends our push on the TWIE wagon for active lurking, yet won't vote it despite multiple reachouts from us to do so. Votes us after defending us and clearly displaying more irritation with Bacon and Egg than us. The posts she makes are logical individually but her actions lately are inconsistent with what she actually posts. Sonic reads the slot as a weak town read, but he's willing to let me see where this goes for awhile.

9. Homiletic Homunculi (Cheetory +Cephrir) - Definitely reading the Cephrir head as pacifist scum though Sonic disagrees. I'm pretty good at reading the Cephrir head and so is Sonic. Sonic caught Cephrir in Smite mafia early and I caught Cephrir in that hydra when I was Depraved Justice with Nero Cain. We're avoiding this thread to remove that toolkit from HH's scum arsenal. No one is demotivating the thread.

10. zzzx - ZZX is obvious town to both heads. There's a unique train of thought coming from ZZZX that neither of us really understand, which tends to indicate he's town. Sonic is meta reading ZZZX as town and he's given no sign of being scum because meta.

11. TheWayItEnds - Seriously, if you don't get at least what we are reading TWIE as, pack your bags and stop playing mafia.

12. NotAnAxehole Generic - Strong townread here. Generic has an analytic approach that I like and I can follow his thoughts. He hasn't done anything inconsistent with himself, which scum usually do eventually or paint themselves into a corner. Plus, HH wants to lynch them so probably town. Sonic says posting feels genuine. He seems to figuring out who is scum and giving sonic good vibes.

13. Glass MarioManiac4 - Lurker opportunist. Scum or strong sheepage personality. Sonic will do a meta dive on them during the week. Glass posting was obvious town so it gives us pause when we consider the read.

14. Rune Bert - Far too agreeable. There's not much drive there. Can't tell if it's a sheeper personality. Overall weaker read. Sonic says Bert is obvious town. The vote on TWIE is obvious town.

15. Espsyoncheage (Anenien+wgeurts+tbone) - Sonic's reading them as town but some doubts on them buddying Wisdom. #2818 is an example of a post that alarms Sonic. That dropped the read significantly. I however townread the slot pretty hard.

16. Oversoul - When does she end their VLA?

17. Jessica (marquis+Katarina) p2 Psyche - Sonic is weak townreading them. I agree.

VOTE: Singer

With that, we are VLA, for one week. Let's see if you people can actually even discuss scum while we are out.

[Sonic Boom]

Mod: Both heads are VLA, not just me.

@Wisdom, A thank you would be nice. Also, come join me in imaginary ville. Let's see if anyone discusses Singer while we are out.

@All, Still yeah zero real reasons for why TWIE is town. Why don't you stop bitching about 1 v 1 and start putting forth scumreads? Or might those be labeled as 1 v 1? Wisdom actually made a good case on Singer and ours is similar.

[Sonic Boom]

I am just not posting in this game because Titus told me not to


~sonic

[Sonic Boom]

Guys wisdom has 100 more posts than we do give him a fucking award

[Sonic Boom]

serious note: please don't mention the name shakira. <3


skip skip skip back to me+ Titus wall of love

This thread is vitriolic even without us

I think people "frustrated" with us are not actually justified

They scare me mr berty!

[Sonic Boom]

MS cut the fucking bullshit, why would you step away from the game? If Titus wants a break she can have a break.

I do honestly think that people want a break from you

[Sonic Boom]

Attractive models do help promote healthy lifestyles berty good choice berty!

[Sonic Boom]

Vitriolic is an understatement. Everyone looks like they have stopped caring about finding scum and only care about having egofights.

Consider letting go of the thread and let cutie giffy have some showtime? I am missing him

[Sonic Boom]

Anyway bye back to "V LA"

Byebye

Bye bye mr berty

Byeeeee

[Sonic Boom]

Wisdom, the fact she voted us for being annoying yet only rails on your posts is more damning. She is agreeing with our case but voting us.

She pushes Oversoul for lurking, and by extension TWIE for active lurking. Yet, when we ask Singer to join us on TWIE she never does.

When push comes to shove, Singer wants the popular vote and not to piss anyone off.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

@Espy, Singer is doing that thing where scum direct conversation and play "peacemaker" while encouraging the conflict. She was doing that to me and Wisdom. She was encouraging me to keep pushing on TWIE but providing no substance to her support of me. Now, she's voting me while pushing the same platitudes. Look at Gundam Seed for a textbook example of peacemaker scum and you should see the play style from Singer is similar but with fewer posts.

@Wisdom, Just stop posting. Join us on vla. No one can bitch about us over posting if we are not here. Also, you're seeing vague "no scum motivation" from Espy BTW. Isn't it annoying? It's just a rephrase of too scummy to be scum.

[Sonic Boom]

Unhydrate

I forgot we were still hydrating scum.

@Wisdom, if you're going to post, don't engage on Singer's terms. I couldn't get her lynched as scum with my innate scum charisma, you cannot lynch Singer scum by pissing everyone off. Try figuring out what is important to town, such as Pyche and Espy please. I need you and you need us. Please take my advice. You may disagree with my reads but you know I can create no win scenarios for scum.

@Espychonage, What do I have to do to get you to see Singer is scum? You are policy voting Bacon. I get it. He's only seeing what he thinks is important. He's about 4 to 5 games behind me in working with people.

[Sonic Boom]

@Singer,

I am sorry I didn't detail in extreme detail my friend's illness that causes me to mentally not be here earlier. I figured stating that I was not 100%, posting less, and being more open to being wrong and being more agreeable would indeed cover that. But considering you need to know that I spent a good chunk of that time driving to various hospitals, trying to help her business, while trying to keep my own life and plans together.

There is a reason I asked to bold questions to me that needed a response. I have a tendency to miss things. I didn't see anything bolded. I also didn't see a question regarding your buddying concerns for me to answer.

Frankly, I spent a good chunk of that time driving to various hospitals or drunk. Why? Because I thought there was a legit chance my best friend was dying and I could do nothing to stop it. The last thing I wanted to deal with was coming back here and dealing with a game where Wisdom kept bullying people into fucking voting my town reads and watching them flip town.

This second VLA is more so people don't bitch we are blocking scumhunting and actually see that you are scum singer.

If you need a more detailed accounting Singer, fuck you.

~Titus

[Sonic Boom]

@Singer, You just seem to go for those easy low blows. VLAs are not meant to be used for scumhunting. There's logical things here but you like the easy way out.

#3608 is questioning why I haven't engaged you and saying you couldn't keep track as if I was wilfully avoiding you. My response to that is completely appropriate to actually respond to what I fucking see. You are attempting to twist any sort of VLA into something scummy. Yeah, I found out my professor died in Signs and Void. I never, ever used that for a strategic advantage, ever. I never feel vlas should have to be defended. I shouldn't have to justify when and why I am not engaging one possible in the thread when it's already there. So yes, I am going to be pissed when someone uses my real life against me. That sends a real clear message that I can either be a person with feelings, or a decent mafia player, not both. Frankly, I would be just as pissed off if someone said we were obvtown for the way we handled this. Real life is out of bounds for scumhunting. I did put that mental vla in all of my fucking games. All of them. You are the only one assholely enough to think I am not engaging them for it. I value logic but sometimes emotions do cloud by judgment and I feel that honesty about that is important.

I shouldn't have to justify my VLA, nor should Oversoul. You don't want a fight with Wisdom. You seem to want easy pickings, that's not happening on my watch.

[Sonic Boom]

Cait Sith, I will show you why we are voting Singer. Check our next post.

[Sonic Boom]

Out of game: Titus I'm really sorry that's been happening and I hope things get resolved soon in a good way. Thoughts are with you. <3

In game: so...I'm not really sure where all of this came from...but I don't really feel good about it because it was completely uncalled for. It feels a lot like her outburst in S&V when one of her professors passed away, and I feel really gross using this as a reference point, but like...I don't really know what else to think about it? It was an unnecessarily dramatic excuse for not being around which seems to be a response to me pointing out she went V/LA without responding to my questions. All she'd've had to do was read my 5-6 posts at the beginning of the day. I made it pretty easy for people to look at what was directed at them, and what I expected a response to. Instead she lashes out, seemingly out of no where without even explaining why or referencing the post that made her do that. She makes it seem like I was questioning her V/LA with her over-explanation (no where did I do that) and victimizes herself in the mean time. I know I'm a different player, but I have a really hard time seeing how someone who tries to be so logical could read into my recent posts so much, and it feels like a big AtE based off of one major pressure vote on them only confirming my read. I also feel like Metal Sonic should've known what's going on with Titus and could've taken the reigns and responded for their hydra sooner (as is some of the benefits of having a hydra!), unless Titus was afraid MS wouldn't do it right while she wasn't around.

singer agenda proven
~sonic

[Sonic Boom]

are you fucking kidding me, singer?


that post I quoted was one of the worst I've seen from you, and i've been super lenient with regards to my stance on you

[Sonic Boom]

unless Titus was afraid MS wouldn't do it right while she wasn't around.

did you just insinuate that I am bad as scum here? to "not do it right when Titus wasn't around" "shifty"?

you were on Westeros Circlejerk, and that point should not even have come from you.

how are you even attacking Titus with this? I fail to understand?

[Sonic Boom]

Spoiler: Singer and Mod Quotes

For the record, it's blatantly apparent TWIE is playing similar to how he played in survivor, which not only says he's scum but also that he has a team full of people he expects won't be able to last long, and has given up before the game has even gotten started. that being said,

I'm not really jonesing to lynch lurker pondscum on day 1.

I'd rather lynch spammy scum that fill the thread with bullshit (Hint: If you two say one more time you weren't giving excuses I will go in your iso and quote every single excuse).

I don't like twie play at all.

Not a lynch candidate for today imo

but he is a second tier scum read right now.

HOW DOES THIS EVEN MAKE SENSE.

If you find scum, you find scum. You don't let them rally overnight with the rest of their team. Geezus fuck, guys. How do you reconcile that kind of scum hunting when you can't even use associative tells until a flip??

Wis how likely do you think it is that scum would trade themselves for an unknown PR for a teammate on day 1?

how does this happen?

~Wis

Scum gets hydrated and gives teammate a pr.

Scum gets crosskilled.

This is a really weird hypothetical question not knowing how the numbers lay...why ask Wisdom? (I might've missed the context in my perusing) Also, what's the interest at this point with no flips or any real wagons at this point?

You gripe about Singer not discussing things while VLA.

Also that was not my problem with singer. My problem was her useless questions.

~Wis

I remember the last time someone told me my questions weren't productive or the "right" kind. Should I start taking that as a scum tell?

oversoul has been prodded

Vote count 1.26

Voting:

Sonic boom

: oversoul, seiko x naiomi

Seiko x naomi

: Bert

ricastle:

bacon and egg, homuletic homunculi, Angry frat BROS, MarioManiac4,

Randomidget:

Cait sith, singersigner

TheWayItEnds:

zzzx, Generic, ricastle, Sonic boom,

Espsyoncheage:

p2,

bacon and egg:

Espsyoncheage, randomidget,

Not Voting:

thewayitends,

Hydration:

Ricastle

: ricastle, Bert

singersigner

: randomidget, Sonic Boom, Espysoncheage, Ricastle

Bert:

oversoul, singersigner,

Seiko x naomi

: seiko x naomi, Generic, bacon and egg, angry frat BROS, Cait Sith

p2:

homuletic homunculi,

zzzx:

zzzx[/align][/area]

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch
deadline is june 29 at 10:36 cst thats in (expired on 2015-06-29 10:36:00)

Singer is V/LA until friday
Generic is V/LA until monday

Cait Sith has been prodded

Vote count 1.27

Voting:

Sonic boom

: oversoul, seiko x naiomi

ricastle:

bacon and egg, homuletic homunculi, Angry frat BROS, MarioManiac4, Bert

Randomidget:

Cait sith, singersigner

TheWayItEnds:

zzzx, Generic, ricastle, Sonic boom,

Espsyoncheage:

p2,

bacon and egg:

Espsyoncheage, randomidget,

Not Voting:

thewayitends,

Hydration:

Ricastle

: ricastle,

mariomaniac

: Bert

singersigner

: randomidget, Sonic Boom, Espysoncheage, Ricastle

Bert:

oversoul, singersigner,

Seiko x naomi

: seiko x naomi, Generic, bacon and egg, angry frat BROS, Cait Sith

p2:

homuletic homunculi,

zzzx:

zzzx[/align][/area]

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch
deadline is june 29 at 10:36 cst thats in (expired on 2015-06-29 10:36:00)

Generic is V/LA until monday

Eh.

unhydrate
hydrate: Seiko

unvote
vote: TheWayItEnds

PAGES 11-20
283 from Oversoul means he’s still scum. >_>
287 from Ricastle pinged me then and pings me now. Seems like he’s trying to get on top of the game by preemptively giving himself cred.
291 from Espyoncheange...WHOLEY SHIT HOW DID I MISS THIS. Really good catch from him about randomidget’s vote/hydrate of Sonic. Weird dynamic here...

could be scumbuddies...?

-Titus hasn’t tried forming a townblock so I think that’s in her favor as town, lol.
295 from Axe is completely arbitrary since with multiball you have no idea if someone could be on the other scum team...
Page 13 reaffirms my initial Axe read and new Ricastle read.
344 and 351[/post from Axe is yet another baseless/unexplained townread (the first from Cait Sith) on me.
[post]410 from HH/Cheetory...I don’t think I read it that well the first time. He’s always saying the things I want to say (like in S&V).

Metal’s response in 411 is sad because is that really all he has to respond in a post 50% dedicated to the things his hydra’s saying??

Which Cheet then noticed in 413
421 from Titus/Sonic is alkdjfsbahlisjghasidgj because that’s the SAME SHIT that made me scum read her in the first place in S&V. Her superiority complex is UNREAL.
422 from Matal/Sonic is akjlsdfhbpiajsdgh because he’s so caught up in his tunnel that he hasn’t tried to engage with people to get those other reads. Though I can concede to being better at townhunting than scumhunting, as is my usual prerogative.
429 from Metal/Sonic...you say you have a hydra PT to hide reads in when Titus made a public post asking for a PT to be made, and you’ve previously referenced being able to discuss things in real time about your reads with regards to certain players...it sounds like you’re being very specific about what you’re public about and what you’re not to fit your objective.
445 from Seiko is weird because it is basically the severalth post saying the same thing about how Sonic Boom isn’t advancing the game state, in an unconvincing way, replicating the whole TWIE/Sonic Boom thing in the first place.
460 from Cheetory...MY SPIRIT ANIMAL.
469 from Seiko...did you follow Signs and Void much? If yes, how might you compare Titus play from here to there? From what I’ve seen of Titus, her town play might be closer to the chest (and I only say that having familiarity with her scum play trying to resemble her town play). She’s willing to give those town reads freely as scum in order to create favor within what she needs to be a town block. What are the differences you see? Does multiball factor into that?
481 from Cheetory...OH GAWD MORE SPIRIT ANIMAL.
492 from Sonic Boom...ok, I remember pointing out that the sheer amount of effort from this is probably town, but I feel obligated to point out now that it’s the kind of stuff that’s easily fakeable. What’s NOT as fakeable is the commentary on it, which surprisingly enough, doesn’t have as much IoA as I would’ve thought upon a second read.

vote: Oversoul

Solid catchup singer I like how cohesive the thoughts are concerning me.

I especially like the parts where you say you're onboard with policy lynching me and then go on to do nothing but agree with me.
It also seems fairly likely that youve forgotten that you've actually seen my scumgame before.

1. Eh. It doesn't need to be cohesive. I did all of that over the span of about 11 hours' worth of reading and comprehending (or trying to >_>), and I still have about 20 pages I kind of feel like skipping over...but since it apparently resulted in a flashwagon on town a week before deadline, I'm thinking I shouldn't.
2. I was on board with policy lynching you at the point it was worth policy lynching you. If you really paid attention to my catchup, you'd see my reads change and my opinion of you along with it. You're not screaming town, but I hardly think you're scummy past page like 60 or something.
3. I have, probably a newbie game or something? I play like 6 games a year and barely remember anyone. You did look familiar, though.

#2569 is ewwwwww over explained.

My sentiments exactly. He passed by my concerns about it, though, and failed to address my follow up question about it.

@Cheetory...I'm sorry I couldn't really engage with you much. Catching up I didn't really see much I fought you on other than Espy which isn't really something we could engage in at the time anyway. I'll be around tonight if you have any holes to poke in my observations, though. I'd definitely like to hear how you feel their play is scum motivated, though.

S'all good.
You better not hold me at arm's length today though. A fancy catchup post written over the course of the night in itself makes me a little wary of you potentially trying to obvtown >.>
I intend on trying to absorb everything you're saying when second round of caffeine hits me.

-Cheet

I...what?
11 Hours.
11 HOURS.
That was seven and a half pages in microsoft word at 11pt font.

I mean, I think my scum game is pretty decent from the three days I was able to be scum and most everyone townread me, but what makes you think I'd care enough to do that when virtually no one credible was scumreading me? And THEN...what makes you think that I thought this would obvtown myself?? Do you think it was worth it?

Maybe you should process my comments before speaking nonsense.

hey espy

get you ass on TWIE

else im getting mine on yours

Only if you promise we can take care of Wisom and or at the very least you won't listen to anything he says anymore. Considering I am counterwagon to scum, I don't know what you think threatening to vote me will change.

And yes they'll answer your questions HH as soon as they get back. I haven't heard from either of them either but I'll keep posting in my hydra PT until they do so.

If Wisdom starts voting scum, we would be glad to have him.

Given his reads seem divorced from reality, we have no intention of following him.

If he joins reality, we would consider following him.

Now vote TWIE

So I was about to QTF but then I feel like I need you to clarify if this means you think he's town.

I feel gross that the wagon I like best right now is Bacon and that's because Wisdom can't get his shit straight, not because I think he's scum. Can someone else why Bert seems to be a townread? Why Oversoul's seemingly off the table (being 100% the opposite of S&V) for today? Can we get a wagon on Generic?

Preview Edit:
@Espsyoncheange...what about TWIE's posting is different? Examples?

There is literally zero town motivation in anything TWIE posts

There is zero scum motivation in anything TWIE has posted.

Bullshit.

By not scumhunting, he can't get "caught" by having bad or unpopular reads, he leaves zero associative tells, he stalls the game because someone will notice this. Someone else will say well there's nothing scummy in the void of nothingness he's posted.

I have said this like five times and you've never engaged this point at all.

It's beyond frustrating at this point.

Wisdom if you've responded to this point, could you direct me to it?

Really, you don't remember their big fight. I distinctly recall you doing nothing and encouraging that fight because one of them had to be scum.

No, I kept telling they are both town. But fucking twist some more facts.

Could you link the game so we can find out once and for all why you guys are disputing a provable point without providing the facts to back it up?

singer are you really asking me if I have replied to a non-point?

All of Titus's bullshit are Titus's make-believe. TWIE has nowhere tried to stall and has nowhere rejected to produce reads.

What about it is a non-point? She makes a very good point about how it's very easy for scum to just coast by and if by happenstance get caught, their team is safe. You say he's "no where stalled or no where denied producing reads" but where is he doing it voluntarily? Where's the transparency? What lack of scum motivation specifically made you think he was town?

You two combined for 1500+ posts in that game

What. I saw one post where Titus said that she could catch Wax if he's scum, and not to worry. Interesting.

Also, from a cursory glance it seems like Wisdom did more clarifying/analysis of each player 1 by 1 in depth than in this game. This game Wis has yelled for people to join his wagon pretty much,

different game different player list I suppose

What was the point in bringing this up if you were just going to dismiss it with "different player list beep boop". What makes the difference? Why should that make a difference?

What about it is a non-point? She makes a very good point about how it's very easy for scum to just coast by and if by happenstance get caught, their team is safe. You say he's "no where stalled or no where denied producing reads" but where is he doing it voluntarily? Where's the transparency? What lack of scum motivation specifically made you think he was town?

How about you show me where he purposefully stalled or refused to produce reads, with a clear intent of achieving what Titus and apparently you too claim?

Is there a reason you keep sluffing the burden of proof onto other people? It seems like you're incapable of proving your points outside of "no YOU do it" and when people are being accommodating, you dismiss it as...what? "I don't believe you because you don't agree with me"? If you're really claiming to be the great scum hunter you are, you should probably work on your ability to get people to believe you.

Is there a reason you keep sluffing the burden of proof onto other people? It seems like you're incapable of proving your points outside of "no YOU do it" and when people are being accommodating, you dismiss it as...what? "I don't believe you because you don't agree with me"? If you're really claiming to be the great scum hunter you are, you should probably work on your ability to get people to believe you.

Are you listening to yourself?

You are claiming that you agree with Titus that TWIE did something scummy. YOU have to show me where he did it, I can't show you where he didn't.

No. I'm not agreeing with her about TWIE because I couldn't be fucked to go back and look; I'm saying she has a point about what scum do and you're dismissing it as a "non-point" like it's not a valid scumhunting technique. I'm asking you to show me where you think he's town, not where he's not.

The burden of proof is on the persuader actually.

QFT.

You can fight lynches on all of the townreads you want, but you'll have to prove why you think they're town and be convincing enough to prove it to others. Think you can handle the challenge?

Preview Edit:
LOL.

I'm willing to lynch either one of you at this point.

vote: Sonic Boom

We look at Singer's ISO and we see her generally avoiding wagons that come to lynch range. That's consistent with her attitude that she doesn't want to push Wisdom because it would result in a fight. Right now, I feel Wisdom slot is an easy mislynch if anyone could make a case beyond moonlogicky asshole but Singer doesn't want to be scrutinized herself.

First, we take a look at her Oversoul read. She says that Oversoul is different from Signs and Void. It's a total departure. That's because she has not been here. Town and Scum have motivation to scumhunt here, yet she throws it out here to create a narrative. Most of her early game votes fit this and later developed into baseless wagons (Espy included).

Singer's concerns are selectively displayed. She somehow thought I could have been buddying her at one point, yet she systemically ignores how far up her ass HH is.

She scumreads TWIE in a post that I quoted where she's chastizing people for not voting TWIE. She defends my push on TWIE asking Wisdom to give reasons why TWIE is town. They engage like that for several posts. Then its Al of a sudden TWIE is not a scumread. She could vote me or Sonic Boom.

So logically, you would expect her to vote the person who she had reads she disagreed with. Nope. She votes the person she's QFTing just awhile before.

Now, she clings to this narrative of me being dramatic and theatrical to scumread me.

Her reads are opportunistic, inconsistent, and change to whatever she can support.

[Sonic Boom]

unless Titus was afraid MS wouldn't do it right while she wasn't around.

did you just insinuate that I am bad as scum here? to "not do it right when Titus wasn't around" "shifty"?

you were on Westeros Circlejerk, and that point should not even have come from you.

how are you even attacking Titus with this?

I fail to understand?

I never felt the need to attack Titus for being V/LA until she made that post explaining why she was V/LA and attacking me for HOW DARE I QUESTION HER MOTIVES RAWR. You should be able to objectively see that but the fact that you're not means you're either refusing not to or just letting her walk all over you.

... really?

i'm not saying 'attacking' attacking,

i'm saying you're using this as a point to paint her, and consequently my slot, as scummy. I have noticed you highlighting possible scum motivations for a number of actions my slot has taken which an unbiased observer would effectively classify 'null'.


and the stark difference between what you had to say off topic "<3 titus" and on-topic "TITUS IS SCUM RAWR"

is

contrasting

[Sonic Boom]

Spoiler: Singer response

Here, because it's soooooooo hard to just ISO me and see the posts I needed addressed.
(Metal Sonic already responded to some of these but for the sake of Titus not being able to ctl f I'm just putting it all here from my catchup)

86 and 87 from Sonic suck monkey balls for creating hydra dissonance publicly in thread. There’s no reason to respond to your partner in thread when you can easily talk on chat or PM or whatever (yes I already mentioned this but it seemed particularly relevant to say again).
421 from Titus/Sonic is alkdjfsbahlisjghasidgj because that’s the SAME SHIT that made me scum read her in the first place in S&V. Her superiority complex is UNREAL.
422 from Matal/Sonic is akjlsdfhbpiajsdgh because he’s so caught up in his tunnel that he hasn’t tried to engage with people to get those other reads. Though I can concede to being better at townhunting than scumhunting, as is my usual prerogative.
429 from Metal/Sonic...you say you have a hydra PT to hide reads in when Titus made a public post asking for a PT to be made, and you’ve previously referenced being able to discuss things in real time about your reads with regards to certain players...it sounds like you’re being very specific about what you’re public about and what you’re not to fit your objective.
552 from Titus/Sonic is WHOLEY GEEZUS. This response to Cheetory about why you overlooked his obliviousness is like...how do you ignore things like that for towncred as scum? How do you overlook careless errors as scum and ever push mislynches? This looks like justifying something Cheetory caught on to... 
590 from Ceph is a good point about Titus sucking up to me, but so has Metal Sonic...I’m just not really sure she’d be that stupid? It’s all WIFOM, but it’s something I’m certainly paranoid about.
656 by Titus/Sonic...662. >_>
787 and 797 from Titus/Sonic...what made you decide I was “obvtown” between these posts?
1038 from Sonic is something I want to keep track of because in their followup, it looks like a cover-up for mistaking the fact that there are two scum teams and they know the one so they’re only looking for the other... (follow-up was 1108)
1369 from Sonic...so do you think my V/LA specific to this game was anti-town?
1573 from Sonic...but why did you have to ask in the thread? Why not just PM the mod, or continue talking via other mediums. It seemed theatrical and calculated.

Sonic and I live in different timezones. We don't always agree on anything. Trying to present a unified front with all our reads is disingenuous. Hydras should be clear about their reads and which is which.

You really have to ask why I realized you were obvtown, when a bunch of people said you were town and we were weakly null reading you at the time?

The rest of this shit was not a question to being answered but you being pissed at me for giving my thoughts candidly. Some people do think of me as arrogant, do I have to repeat that? I always ask setup questions in thread. It's a habit. Occasionally, I get things wrong and other players correct me faster.

[Sonic Boom]

unless Titus was afraid MS wouldn't do it right while she wasn't around.

did you just insinuate that I am bad as scum here? to "not do it right when Titus wasn't around" "shifty"?

you were on Westeros Circlejerk, and that point should not even have come from you.

how are you even attacking Titus with this? I fail to understand?

maybe i'm just butthurt that she made this comment.

but, yeah, that trailing sentence was awful. its essentially calling us scummy for something that is not only out of game, null, but also hardly plausible given her meta information that she is privy to.

[Sonic Boom]

Vote count 1.15

Voting:

Sonic boom

: Angry frat BROS, oversoul, randomidget, seiko x naiomi

Oversoul

: Cait sith, homuletic homunculi, singersigner

Rune

: NotAnAxehole, MarioManiac4

Seiko x naom

i: Sonic boom, Rune, Ricastle

Not Voting:

zzzx, thewayitends, p2, Espsyoncheage, bacon and egg

Hydration:

Ricastle

: ricastle, bacon and eggs, angry frat BROS

singersigner

: randomidget, sonic boom

Rune:

oversoul, homuletic homunculi, Rune, singersigner,

Espsyoncheage

: Espysoncheage

Seiko x naomi

: , seiko x naomi

MarioManiac4

: MarioManiac4, NotAnAxehole[/align][/area]

with 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch
deadline is june 29 at 10:36 cst thats in (expired on 2015-06-29 10:36:00)

Can we hydrate someone other than AP please?

TWIE, Generic, Bert, HH are good ideas.

We can go for Generic there.

Hydrate: Generic

[Sonic Boom]

@HH, If you think Generic is so scummy, why is this the first we are hearing about it? Why haven't you pushed it?

@Singer, You're actually trying to threaten us for having part of the reason we scumread you being for low blows? Town do not need low blows.

@Bacon, Espy is also a decent Hydrate.

[Sonic Boom]

I mean, admittedly I've had to hold Glork back as town because he was leading us down the path of destruction, but as I was clearly scumreading you guys at the time, obviously I would read that as her not trusting you.

??? Glork?

well the nightless had me and zar about to carry the game, and if i had hammered alchemist i would have won -- a mistake on my part, but miles more tense and worse than the current situation? what kind of comparison is that?

and i'm town in ori, so ?????


anyway, whatever, we're not scum either, so most importantly: stop lowblowing us because it sets Titus off and it has gotten so jarring that even I see it.

what exactly are you witnessing here again? I saw 3733 and an overwhelming number of it was commentary/opinions? and its poorly formatted. heck, even I would have a hard to finding stuff to respond to, much less the then-dazed Titus

[Sonic Boom]

and although i have been keeping up with the thread i've been more sloppy recently. i don't know what triggered the singer/titus V/LA argument in the previous page. seems like it came out of nowhere.


whatever.

[Sonic Boom]

@HH, If you think Generic is so scummy, why is this the first we are hearing about it? Why haven't you pushed it?

..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Where's your vote? Where is your drive? When have you said...I want them dead and followed through on it.

You have been content to fight Generic but not vote him. Why? Why don't you want to vote or push him?

For someone you have been fighting all game, I don't see a push. You do seem content to jump wherever others want.

[Sonic Boom]

Hydrate: Espy

Not doing that.

[Sonic Boom]

Spoiler: bert

noooo barty i came back just for you <33333

[Sonic Boom]

VLA over

Pretty obvious here that if we do the protown thing and leave the thread, scum will attack us for it... So yeah.

[Sonic Boom]

Bert, I will step out so you can talk with Sonic. It's approaching midnight there.

[Sonic Boom]

its not actually midnight, its 2 am, and i have a literature exam... later


in the afternoon

i have no idea why im here


hi singer, i think that the context of my point was clear enough isolated in your post.

p-edit:

hydrate psyche

[Sonic Boom]

Singer, that's a fucking stretch. Gee, I am sorry, Titus could have held off her mental focus breakdown to answer my questions if town because she didn't trust Sonic. Give me a break. It is a low blow. I am sorry for putting my best friend before you. You will lose that, every time.

[Sonic Boom]

Your questions were not questions but accusations anyway.

[Sonic Boom]

but you probably feel committed and can't back out now.

another low blow again


seriously, now every time you mention "Signs and Void" against Titus I want to reach through the screen and slap you

you are scumreading my slot, and you have access to one of the juiciest pieces of my scum meta, if you genuinely believe that my slot is scum you would utilize it against us as well


but you are not.

almost every single attack on my slot is directed towards Titus head, like, hello???

i am thinking right now that it is clear that i am obvtown and you are refusing to acknowledge this read for whatever reason

[Sonic Boom]

Spoiler: @bert

you are not my neighbor! woohoo!!!!!

how do i explain it? gut.

sorrry bro i can't emulate your style, its too high a level for me.

[Sonic Boom]

Can you explain to me why YOU think YOU'RE obvtown? What am I missing from the Nightless game??

If you think that's a low blow then maybe reign in your hydra partner a bit lest you be called a hypocrite.

considering your lack of pushes against me specifically even though you have one of my best (or to put it better, most effort) scum meta, yeah, if you have no problem against me, then i'm obvtown.


oh yeah, i'm reigning her in but i shouldn't post about it in thread lest i be called "theatrical" and "putting on a show"

[Sonic Boom]

considering your lack of pushes against me specifically even though you have one of my best (or to put it better, most effort) scum meta, yeah, if you have no problem against me, then i'm obvtown.

UGH.

basically if you were genuinely scumreading my whole slot as THE ULTIMATE VILE SCUM (which shouldn't happen, but blah), OR if my slot was GENUINELY VILE SCUM, you would have picked up stuff from my nightless as well as stuff from titus. double confirmation.

but we're town, so you having no issues with me should be a hinter than this entire argument is barking up the wrong tree?


i mean, great and all you caught titus in S&V and I respect you for it, but don't be like a certain player who was sooooooooooo confident she caught someone in a certain game and is soooooooo confident that someone was scum again and tunnelled without regard to the town signs and eventually was proven wrong.

gosh

stop lowblowing

[Sonic Boom]

Spoiler: bert

i took the hint, me and titus forced ourselves not to post in our "VLA" and you BEGGED for me to come back!!!

now I am back, and now I shall be sent away again?

why oh why, i am in a knot, oh why

[Sonic Boom]

You did a 180 on me before you went V/LA without addressing my concerns.

oh yeah, that was a fake VLA, in case you didn't know

people beg for less spam, we are only the kindest to give them, but

nope

[Sonic Boom]

considering your lack of pushes against me specifically even though you have one of my best (or to put it better, most effort) scum meta, yeah, if you have no problem against me, then i'm obvtown.

UGH.

basically if you were genuinely scumreading my whole slot as THE ULTIMATE VILE SCUM (which shouldn't happen, but blah), OR if my slot was GENUINELY VILE SCUM, you would have picked up stuff from my nightless as well as stuff from titus. double confirmation.

but we're town, so you having no issues with me should be a hinter than this entire argument is barking up the wrong tree?


i mean, great and all you caught titus in S&V and I respect you for it, but don't be like a certain player who was sooooooooooo confident she caught someone in a certain game and is soooooooo confident that someone was scum again and tunnelled without regard to the town signs and eventually was proven wrong.

gosh

stop lowblowing

I mean...I didn't really read the nightless because I didn't need to read two explosive games. All I heard was Zar bitching about it...

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Sonic Boom]

You did a 180 on me before you went V/LA without addressing my concerns.

oh yeah, that was a fake VLA, in case you didn't know

people beg for less spam, we are only the kindest to give them, but

nope

I DIDN'T CALL IT A FAKE V/LA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS SMOKING AND PLEASE GIVE ME SOME SO I CAN DEAL WITH THIS HORSESHIT.

it was a fake V/LA. i am telling you now.

and we made a giant wall post before that. did you miss it? it did mention our trajectory on you

[Sonic Boom]

1. Cait Sith (mala+Tammy) - Needs to post more. Tammy, according to some in Signs and Void, obvtowns when town. I haven't seen that. I haven't seen anything scummy either. Given the fact I haven't seen anything scummy from them, willing to take them off the table. This won't last too long though. Sonic says Tammy is usually a high volume poster but hasn't been this game and wonders why.

2. Seiko x Naomi (notscience+pieguyn) - Play screams scum hard defending TWIE. Role suggests clear (but not confclear). If I had a cop, I'd check them. (Which probably has just excluded us from hydration but I really don't give a fuck.) We can take them off the table for a few days, to see if scum cross kill as they are unlikely to be lynched even if they scumslipped (not saying they have).

Seiko's vote is expected because it reads like someone being butthurt over me not townreading them, much like TBone/Kurbo/UT in We didn't playtest this. They aren't conftown but can't handle the suspicion on their slot because they feel entitled to be read that way, despite the fact, we'd be regarded as looney toones for having said read and it would keep them alive longer due to the fact they could be mislynchable.

3. Sonic Boom (metal sonic+Titus) - Towniest town that ever towned. Fuck you if you can't actually listen for once. I've admitted when I was wrong and done things that should indicate that I'm actually learning, but I'm starting to feel like the thread just does the opposite of whatever I want no matter what I do. I avoid posting, everyone avoids posting. I post. People claim I am pushing what I want to hard despite no one actually discussing my reads when I'm not here.

4. randomidget - Lurktastic. Shit tastic. Bad logic. Same category as Oversoul. Would vote it to get a lynch off though. Wouldn't cry if he died.

5. Angry frat BROS (Angrypigeon+BROseidon) * AngryPigeon - Awkward entry to start the day, speculating about bulletproof status. Kinda common but still awkward. He's been much more of a sheep than I would expect. Although he was batshit wrong in Street Racers about amateur, AP had more of a presence there and was a town leader. Gun to my head, could vote him.

6. ricastle - We fucking told you he was town.

7. Bacon and egg (wisdom+gif) - Town cuz pain in the ass. ALthough maybe just maybe you can see #3217 is my world every fucking town game. I see town after town get mislynched, and feel ignored. Welcome to my world Wisdom. He can't explain his head but when he tries like 3217 we get somewhere.

8. singersigner - Pushes Oversoul for lurking. Defends our push on the TWIE wagon for active lurking, yet won't vote it despite multiple reachouts from us to do so. Votes us after defending us and clearly displaying more irritation with Bacon and Egg than us. The posts she makes are logical individually but her actions lately are inconsistent with what she actually posts. Sonic reads the slot as a weak town read, but he's willing to let me see where this goes for awhile.

9. Homiletic Homunculi (Cheetory +Cephrir) - Definitely reading the Cephrir head as pacifist scum though Sonic disagrees. I'm pretty good at reading the Cephrir head and so is Sonic. Sonic caught Cephrir in Smite mafia early and I caught Cephrir in that hydra when I was Depraved Justice with Nero Cain. We're avoiding this thread to remove that toolkit from HH's scum arsenal. No one is demotivating the thread.

10. zzzx - ZZX is obvious town to both heads. There's a unique train of thought coming from ZZZX that neither of us really understand, which tends to indicate he's town. Sonic is meta reading ZZZX as town and he's given no sign of being scum because meta.

11. TheWayItEnds - Seriously, if you don't get at least what we are reading TWIE as, pack your bags and stop playing mafia.

12. NotAnAxehole Generic - Strong townread here. Generic has an analytic approach that I like and I can follow his thoughts. He hasn't done anything inconsistent with himself, which scum usually do eventually or paint themselves into a corner. Plus, HH wants to lynch them so probably town. Sonic says posting feels genuine. He seems to figuring out who is scum and giving sonic good vibes.

13. Glass MarioManiac4 - Lurker opportunist. Scum or strong sheepage personality. Sonic will do a meta dive on them during the week. Glass posting was obvious town so it gives us pause when we consider the read.

14. Rune Bert - Far too agreeable. There's not much drive there. Can't tell if it's a sheeper personality. Overall weaker read. Sonic says Bert is obvious town. The vote on TWIE is obvious town.

15. Espsyoncheage (Anenien+wgeurts+tbone) - Sonic's reading them as town but some doubts on them buddying Wisdom. #2818 is an example of a post that alarms Sonic. That dropped the read significantly. I however townread the slot pretty hard.

16. Oversoul - When does she end their VLA?

17. Jessica (marquis+Katarina) p2 Psyche - Sonic is weak townreading them. I agree.

VOTE: Singer

With that, we are VLA, for one week. Let's see if you people can actually even discuss scum while we are out.

[Sonic Boom]

You did a 180 on me before you went V/LA without addressing my concerns.

oh yeah, that was a fake VLA, in case you didn't know

people beg for less spam, we are only the kindest to give them, but

nope

I DIDN'T CALL IT A FAKE V/LA WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GUYS SMOKING AND PLEASE GIVE ME SOME SO I CAN DEAL WITH THIS HORSESHIT.

Only ETL can impersonate ETL. The comments made by ETL deeply offended me there and if you read Street Racers, you would know that.

[Sonic Boom]

ok i gotta leave. 2.30 am

have fun

[Sonic Boom]

I am out. Singer please do not address me so ZZZX has time to air his theories.

[Sonic Boom]

Singer, we both town read you before that vote. Your vote was so epically inconsistent with your TWIE push and Wisdom conflict, it made me 180. I already said that when I unvoted TWIE and had to talk with Sonic.

[Sonic Boom]

So let's peace out until ZZZX puts up his theories.

[Sonic Boom]

unvote

Singer, we both town read you before that vote. Your vote was so epically inconsistent with your TWIE push and Wisdom conflict, it made me 180. I already said that when I unvoted TWIE and had to talk with Sonic.

I mean...I legitimately thought you were town until your 180 on me that looked like a huge OMGUS in reaction to my vote without explaining why you ever townread me in the first place...because you kept saying I was town without giving reasons and then at the first excuse to vote me you did...it didn't make sense. And then you really overreacted with your V/LA thing, which I

still

don't understand, and am still not sure if Metal was messing with me because it wouldn't make sense to make it up based on your legitimate reason... I'm kind of stuck here, and do you see why?

No because I was clearly back and thanked Sonic for assisting me with the rough time I was in earlier. Sonic wouldn't be disturbed about my friend being I'll to the point where it affected his posting anyway.

I see you are stuck here because we are obvious town and your flail attempt was busted.


@AP, Why are we breaking your heart? Why can't you see that Singer is playing on the emotions of everyone here?

[Sonic Boom]

because he's scum with her

Doubt it. HH and TWIE are her buddies. AP, if scum, is on the other team.

@Bert, So we need to lynch Wisdom on Monday when I crank county music up loud while slaying Dragons.

[Sonic Boom]

meanwhile AP is still looking for counterwagons to singer

Yes. He counter wagons confscum as town. He did the same thing in Street Racers.

Hh and TWIE are not town.

[Sonic Boom]

@HH: I asked you guys what I did because I'm loosely thinking Egg/Singer/Sonic might be a team.

Titus what did you think about this?

Dumb town. I don't see scum putting that forward as it's too dumb to scum but I hate that argument.

[Sonic Boom]

So it's more dumb town with reservations.

[Sonic Boom]

AP, you don't get it. Singer's think there is akin to "I am not going to say you suck...but you suck."

She's saying that I cannot go VLA to deal with my shit without it being strategic. Then she gets upset with me calling her out for that low blow.

It's not just me she does that with. She's been playing me and Wisdom against each other like a fiddle.

[Sonic Boom]

Nah. It's scum slipping that they're looking for a single scumteam of three. Otherwise he would have put singer and/or you in a different scumteam than me.

No. I have been having TWIE scum and seeing his buddies. AP says "a team". Putting an illogical team together does not mean he is only hunting for one team.

[Sonic Boom]

Then shouldn't he be explaining what connections there are between the three of us that make him so sure we are a team instead of just scum of whatever team? I asked him and he didn't respond to it.

You should ask that question explicitly then. Most people are not a fan of unflipped associatives but if AP is putting a team forth. He should clarify it.

I could even Garcia this question though, the answer is obvious.

[Sonic Boom]

Ninjaed. That was the response although AP should stop engaging scum.

AP, you treated me all through SR that I was stupid for wanting Amateur lynched. That's essentially what you're doing when you say moon logic. I quit reading after my death. You are better late game, as am I. I am trying to show you that Singer is getting under all of our skins. You are a smart player I respect but that doesn't mean you are not being dumb at the moment.

[Sonic Boom]

#3897 is a perfect example. I am going to say "gee my word choice was bad" but you're still scum for calling me out.

[Sonic Boom]

you're the one engaging scum, Titus

No I am engaging AP talking about Singer.

Oh HH thinks AP has logical paranoia yet won't vote the heavily wagoned scum. That is more telling.

[Sonic Boom]

Lol. Really, if HH pretending not to know that AP proposed Singer/Bacon/Sonic or is he pretending not to know Singer's wagoned?

If he thinks AP's team is logical, he should vote Singer.

I have also stated Singer has been pushing me v Wis for awhile. Also, I love how Singer paints me as unreasonable yet doesn't realize that goes totally against S and V. Hahahaha.

[Sonic Boom]

Lol. Really, if HH pretending not to know that AP proposed Singer/Bacon/Sonic or is he pretending not to know Singer's wagoned?

If he thinks AP's team is logical, he should vote Singer.

I have also stated Singer has been pushing me v Wis for awhile. Also, I love how Singer paints me as unreasonable yet doesn't realize that goes totally against S and V. Hahahaha.

[Sonic Boom]

#3684, Postulates Wis/Singer/Sonic is all town, proceeds to doubtcast me.

Actually, I never full on pushed you in S and V as scum.

#3684 HH puts forth the team including Singer is ridiculous after saying Wis/Sonic could be buddies. Nah, he's trying to walk back him laughing at me in 3651

@AP, It happens to me all the time, so I thought it was fair to say that. Sorry if I hurt your feelings but I am not sorry about realizing you can be town despite defending obvious scum. Maybe I could have put it better but I don't see how I can make the point that you counterwagoned for obvious scum in the past without making it sound like an attack on your skill.

[Sonic Boom]

Sixes should be eights. Oh really...

[Sonic Boom]

AP, Singer is using a technique called mirroring. She adopts your language so you like her better.

HH, The truth. ETL asked me the same thing when I caught scum. The fact you are asking when I told you that is offensive and asked Singer to stop, what made you think it was less offensive coming from you?

AP, it is precisely these "what are you smoking" comments that get levived on me that made me feel my comments on you were tame. I get shit like that every game.

What assumptions do you think I have that most don't? Even if not directly helpful now, it will be really helpful later.

[Sonic Boom]

I actually did tell HH what post to look at. I also love how he acts like I have benn throwing "teams" out all over the place, when that's wrong. I have suggested one team but maybe a couple as TWIE's possible buddies that I recall. HH Singer TWIE. I stick to what people say not to the narrative they present.

Psyche, I believe that get in gear or replace out was promised after Oversoul's VLA ends.

[Sonic Boom]

V/LA until Wednesday due to family wedding

I'm sorry everyone I promise I will get back then

Yes. Here it is. She promised to get back tomorrow Psyche.

[Sonic Boom]

While all the other lynches you suggested (ZZZX, Mario etc) would be different, right?

Yes I actually have found their posts scummy.

Which ones and why? I would like to see reasons because right now all I see is a desperation attempt not to wagon Singer because I was an asshole.

[Sonic Boom]

Wisdom, we need to get together and figure out a way to rehabilitate our reputations in this thread. Anything I want will be met with it's obvious you are wrong which happens every game which might as well be saying that I am stupid for not seeing what's obvious. I bend over backwards trying to give people what they want while holding fast to my beliefs that I can back up with facts just to be told wrong and obvious every town game. As scum, I could get a mod lynched almost. So I guess I need to figure out how to effectively buddy as town.

I am concerned you are heading down this same road. Maybe we can help each other because I am sick of being ignored and lynching not group scum.

[Sonic Boom]

i read the whole thing
i even helped bring attention to the good parts of it

Then you were biased when you were reading it because there's no fucking way you can call my case "belittling".

i was saying that your case sounded like one long whine

What about mine?

[Sonic Boom]

Wisdom, let's set aside HH/TWIE/Singer for a moment. Those tend to be settled. Let's work as, what does Sonic call it, in thread masons. Let's sort the rest of the player base and then laugh when they mislynch town again because they won't listen to us.

AP, I am ego entric and I do have interpersonal skills but that doesn't mean I am a door mat. I tell you what I need, ask you what you want, I do it, but it's never enough to get scum lynched. Ever.

[Sonic Boom]

I don't even know if they have nightkills at this point.

Oh. It happened. The towniest post in the thread just happened.

Lol. That is faker than shit. What kind of mod has PRs but lol no nightkills?

[Sonic Boom]

AP, I am ego entric and I do have interpersonal skills but that doesn't mean I am a door mat. I tell you what I need, ask you what you want, I do it, but it's never enough to get scum lynched. Ever.

I'm way more likely to sheep you onto TWIE than I am to sheep Bacon onto Singer if that makes you feel better.

A little. It probably should not logically but it does on an emotional level.

[Sonic Boom]

Psyche, I will put my ego on the line. If Singer flips town, I will not advocate for any lynch the entirety of the game day tomorrow unless asked. I may object to specific lynches but I will hard reset if Singer flips town.

You got your ego if you want it.

Wisdom, let's just take the scum lynch and smile. If you're wrong twice, a reset is likely in order anyway.

[Sonic Boom]

^^^ is Titus

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You have to vote Singer to take me up on that Psyche...

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@Singer, I account for bussing/policy votes with VCA. I generally don't put large stock in it until day 3 or 4 at the earliest. It's really no different than a cop guilty on VCA. Plus my VCA is largely untested in multiball.

Why do you care?

@Psyche, Take it. Maybe you can translate my thoughts better. Warning if you get attracted to white men with blond afros, it is not my fault.

@Psyche, AP moved up a bit...we pretty much disagree on everything but Singer.

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I'm ready to skip ahead to the point in this day where we throw a dart at a lurker and lynch them. It'll be awesome. I'll bake a cake and throw some confetti around.

Can we not do this?

Can you actually not just town tunnel Singer?

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Welcome ika. {when do I get the delight of another ika tunnel on me?}

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Please. *Bats eyes* Wisdom take the deal. Let's lynch scum and if he backs out everyone will know he's a fraud.

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AP, There's no hydrate wagon that doesn't have scum on it or isn't on scum, so if you want is the hydrate, vote Singer.

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You didn't take the deal off. You expressed frustration at Wisdom for not jumping on it, but now you actually won't follow through.

Put your money where your mouth is.

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Do you think Psyche's scum Sonic? I'm on my phone so hard to look back at your reads list.

We thought they were town, this turn of events is making me doubt it some. However, I do know from contract law that people can think they revoke an offer and not actually revoke and I'm not about to give y'all a bar exam lecture in unilateral versus bilateral contracts.

The standard I'm using requires Psyche to explicitly say that the offer is no good. Psyche didn't say that, just that she'd know I would accept.

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Hey ika, remind me. You have a pretty good record of reading titus, right?

ika has a 100% record of me being his only read... regardless of alignment... and he always scumreads me... regardless of my alignment. Every single game.

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Weird, I don't see an i, k, or a in your name.

Why are you replying to my question?

Because I'm sick of ika's play always scumreading me and I can prove it true, so why waste time letting ika lurk or avoid facts? I want ika to actually talk about someone other than me in a game for once. I get the feeling that my firstborn will be graduating college by that point though.

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@Seiko, who are you scumreading? Why is your goal to piss Wisdom off? Your goal should be to remove the scums.

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Generic, what about my read? I scumread Singer/HH/TWIE. Our thoughts seem to be in alignment on HH/TWIE so if you're reading the game the same way...would it stand to reason you would also scumread Singer?

@ikaPlease do not sign up for any game I am in any more. I am fucking sick and tired of me being your only scumread in every game or that you lurk. I actually want to play with people who try to solve my fucking alignment genuinely.

~Titus

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That's even worse. You should know I am here, know that your always scumread me shit drives me crazy and that you never fucking bother to read me.

We can't discuss ongoing in this thread, so I have to tell you off...in every game and it is getting old.

~Titus

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@Generic, they are all teammates and generally if you're following my train of thought on two, I think you could get the third as well.

I think Oversoul as of now is voted for being VLA and I won't touch that. She is supposedly coming back or replacing out today. If she does another stall, only then would I be on board to lynch Oversoul because the stall could be alignment indicative. I am not about to lynch Oversoul for going to a friend's wedding.

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Tammy? I still stand by my now antiquated statement that you guys haven't done much which is suspicious. Am I still suspicious for saying that?

They addressed this when talking to us.

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Cait, thoughts on Singer please? I asked you about them but I think it got lost because Sonic ninjaed me.

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@HH, I did. Your pathetic defense of TWIE is what put you in the buddies category but your slot is pretty good at just wanting to be liked. You quarrelled with Generic, stating he's scum but never voted him.

I am not perfect but I like to peg scumteams to but I like how your best dig is to say that I am not perfect. No shit. Neither are you. You are focused more on elevating yourself than getting your reads lynched. You don't get to tell me how I should play when you won't even go out on a limb and take chances yourself.

@Singer, Then you can prove he is underperforming then. I just see buzzwords.

@Cait, Singer hasn't reread shit. I don't even recalling her claiming to reread but let's suppose my memory is faulty. Is there a pattern where after each "reread" her opinion mirrors that of what is popular?

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@Cephrir, Town Cephrir would try to corrall wagons on scum rather than appease an inactivity lynch. I am familiar enough with you to see scum you. Better hope that I don't get a vig after we lynch Singer and she flips scum. Considering you think you are not central enough with pushing your reads and that's my major gripe with you, why not actually make a scum case?

@Singer, I don't recall Oversoul being prodded and the mod is pretty on top of things. But why are you selling Oversoul for dodging instead of Wisdom who you think is scum and detrimental?

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Hydrate Bacon

A townread of mine wants to be hydrated and Singer's on track to being lynched. I could do a happy dance right now.

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@Psyche, this Singer wagon has been developing for quite awhile. It's not an overnight thing.

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ap if you ever vote singer today i swear you won't survive tomorrow

You realize this is more incentivizing than it is a threat?

If AP's one thing, it sure is consistent.

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oversoul's is the kind of lurking that i like to do as scum
a string of recurring promises to replace out or make a big case
interleaved with punctate but also directionless observations on specific posts

This is why we are giving him until the end of the day to do either. He's VLA. He's not going to do that. A third promise makes that the pattern you're talking about.

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but all i think will happen is that he'll replace out?
and then we'll have to wait for that
and by then singer will have been mislynched

Singer's not a mislynch.

But that does remind me, when did you revoke your offer to Wisdom to vote Singer if he promised he wouldn't push the next day?

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after he refused it and i changed course

In what post did you "change course"?

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Sonic have you read the latest couple of pages and Wisdom's accusations about how I was being contradictory with regards to 4236 and the preceding posts?

Still Titus. Sonic has an exam.

I've read it. I don't feel a Wis/Sonic/Signer fight is productive at all.

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Titus, can we compromise lynch Oversoul today? Note the not-capitalization of today.

Which way do you mean by that?

Also, HH and Singer are pushing it, it's a blantant counter-wagon on someone I'm scumreading and I don't see a case on Oversoul. It's terrible from my perspective. That's not a compromise, that's selling your soul to the devil to do what she wants.

Singer's attacks on me have been "low" even by her own standards and she learns nothing to attack Oversoul for being VLA. She says there's nothing similar. That's right, Oversoul never went on VLA. While I'm aware Singer could be town and Oversoul could be scum, I don't want to compromise there and I see nothing gained by doing so other than being a doormat.

Why can't you compromise to vote Singer as you don't seem to be townreading her?

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i think i said something along the lines of, "okay, time to do something different"

Can you grab the post? Because it wasn't clear to me you were revoking and likely wasn't clear to Wis either.

I think even if you intended to revoke it (although at this point I think that intent was never communicated), you should still go along with it. There's plenty of information to be gained by this flip, it would help the long term health of the game and has better odds of a scum flip than oversoul.

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singer's been attacking oversoul all game
to characterize it as "attacking oversoul for being v/la" is dishonest and incorrect

Really, because I don't see her attacking but just quoting posts from Oversoul's ISO and saying go figure it out yourself. There's a reason why I say these things. It's because I need evidence and I don't see it.



To me, it looks like you pulled the rug out after Wisdom accepted. You never said it was a one shot deal. You didn't communicate a clear revocation of anything. Now that it's your turn to perform, you seem to be backing out.

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Sonic have you read the latest couple of pages and Wisdom's accusations about how I was being contradictory with regards to 4236 and the preceding posts?

Still Titus. Sonic has an exam.

I've read it. I don't feel a Wis/Sonic/Signer fight is productive at all.

I was really just referring to your hydra. >_>

In any case, I really don't like when Wisdom has clearly shown his bias towards me, AP and Psyche both brought it up, that you're dismissing it as "the three of us fighting isn't productive." That's a very legitimate point in the post I directed you to so now it feels like you're just showing

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bias towards me, and I would like you to talk about how Wisdom continues to claim I should be able to read his mind when his posts clearly haven't been coherent enough for me to do so.

I do have a bias toward you. Not denying it. I tend not to like scum that attack me for being a decent person and I feel a kinship with Oversoul because that's exactly what you're doing to her as well. You're throwing whatever sticks. I get his posts. So if you don't, you can clarify. I already think you're scum so why do I need to further clog the thread to pat Wisdom on the back and inflate his ego further?

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you don't seem to be townreading her?

How is this unclear. Literally the only way I could see singer being scum here is if shes scum with Wisdom and they are just scum-theatering the thread. I've said multiple times that I think she has said town things, that I find her posts relatable, and that she is more likely town than not.

If I was neutral on her, I'd have voted her a while back.

At this point, I may vote her because the lynch is a win-win. If shes scum, great and if shes town, then Wisdom will have egg on his face. Also, as I said, the last several dozen pages have been about 15% content and 85% noise, so this game Day really needs to get a move on one way or another.

Great. Let's just move on and get it done then. What do you want to do that right now from me if I'm wrong and Singer's town? I get a bonus in that my game improves if you're right and If I'm right, then I got your vote and no sweat off my brow.

I do agree we need to get this game moving one way or another.

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singer's been attacking oversoul all game
to characterize it as "attacking oversoul for being v/la" is dishonest and incorrect

Really, because I don't see her attacking but just quoting posts from Oversoul's ISO and saying go figure it out yourself. There's a reason why I say these things. It's because I need evidence and I don't see it.



To me, it looks like you pulled the rug out after Wisdom accepted. You never said it was a one shot deal. You didn't communicate a clear revocation of anything. Now that it's your turn to perform, you seem to be backing out.

To be clear, I'm not saying that's what you intended, but that's what it looks like to me.

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Singer, I'm admitting a theoretical possibility. You're still obvscum to me but *gasp* there's always a chance of me being wrong.

Yeah, he hasn't contributed anything, because he's VLA. You're saying the same thing but using different words.

And it's pretty obvious you were attacking me and the blow was low when you were talking about being unable to understand why I wasn't posting as much and that it was scummy when I actually did vacate the thread.

Espy, of course you can and that fucking hurts that you can't see what she did.

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If I thought she did marginalize your out of game reasons for being absent I'd be right there with you.

Of course, should I go back and walk you through why I felt that way?


@Psyche, That's because you and I work on different theories of contract law, which again, I'm not boring you with. Notice how I said you "backed out" but imputed no intent. That's why. I was figuring out which theory you adopted rather than jumping to OMG you're scum with Singer.