Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

[Sinsun1]

Wow, just got the link to the thread today. I am use to the game being played in the same thread we sign up in.

Anyway, onto business here. I see only a few people active, some so active I question if they are doing anything today/yesterday besides checking the forums constantly.

I am not a fan of Day 1 lynches. It's all fluff, the only people who know who mafia are at this moment are the mafia. Hence I am going to VOTE: No Lynch (I like these tags, lol).

I may change my vote if something comes up that cannot be ignored, but at this point, looking at Lickity's join date, I'd say he is an over eager townie reading into stuff way too much. By posting every 5 mins without giving anyone else the spotlight to have a conversation, he is effectively making it an easy case for mafia to lynch him off with a bandwagon. Every post he makes will be skewed the wrong way until the mafia can do it with ease.

Currently, that is my only read. Mostly due to him not taking a 3 hour break and allowing others to take the spotlight onto them and see what they are all about.

My advice for Lickity: Go watch a movie, perhaps the Lord of the Rings trilogy (all 3 Hobbits and all 3 LotR) and then come back when there's content by other users.

I assume I am not the only one who hasn't posted yet until this point, so I'd be interested to see if anyone would like to share any insight who have yet to post.

Finally, I am disappointed the name was guessed already. I wanted to go watch Season 1 and try to figure it out. But now I must wonder, is it good or bad for town that we guessed it. For all we know, he's 3rd party and we just unlocked his ability to kill and be immune at night time.

FP'd by Lickety: Try my suggestion.

[Sinsun1]

I have a negative town role btw

Do you want to get lynched?

Let me quote something here so you know why this threat is soo newbish that I wish we both could go back in time so you could take those words back.

LicketyQuickety[5] - Senator, Marcrell, MaxwellPuckett, HostileIntent, Saint

Saint[1] - davesaz

Sorry but that poor attempt at a threat with the rest of your weak posts this day. There are two options I see. New townie that will screw over town with his constant talking (should have taken my advice) or a new baddie who can't seem to figure out how to fly under the radar but instead starts pinging people in all the wrong ways.

You earned another vote from me.
UNVOTE: No Lynch
VOTE: Lickety

FP'd by Saint: Exactly. Now he has 6 because of his awful play style. Not sure if he's goodie or baddie at this point but the noobie goodie read I had earlier got demolished. Either way this lynch now benefits town either faction he flips.

[Sinsun1]

Way to make a 180 on you 1st day policy on lynches.

Really?

I may change my vote if something comes up that cannot be ignored,

Skim much?

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As far as the third party assumption, it really is not that far of a stretch. What happens if we didn't guess his name by Day 3 or he got killed before then? Do any of you stop and think the dangers of something so obvious? I am wary of his role as that is an oddity. What benefit does town get from guessing his role? Or better yet, what disadvantage does it put us at?

CDB quotes the question with a "I can see myself voting sinsun soon". Because nobody else actually thought about it? A game THIS size to not have some sort of 3rd party in play would be insane. Your guess is as good as mine as to which 3rd parties are in play and the host has even stated himself, a game this size, he may create his own roles separate from the wiki. So noted as not wanting anyone to analyze the fact that a 3rd party most likely exists.

All this talk about a vig and people hopping off so quickly. The point of votes is to initially get a CLAIM from a scummy player. Then if we deem their playing to be scummy compared to their claim then we go in for the lynch/vig.

Saint claiming Miller this early on with no real pressure? Noted and questioning motives there.

Also LQ... "failsafe vote to keep others from voting him". Your logic is so flawed it's almost a policy lynch at this point on you unless your claim is good I am staying on with my vote.

Those hoping off the LQ voting, obviously their reasons are not the same as mine. At this point LQ is either going to be a useful town PR or a dead man walking with his poor threats towards others.

FP'd 5 times: No Lynches Day 1 provides the max usage of PRs in the night. My question is, out of ALL of the games you've ever played, what is the percentage you've lynched mafia during Day 1 while being town? I assume it's under 50%. The chance of killing off a Town PR Day 1 in a game this size is much higher than 6-10 player games.

I find people who push Day 1 lynches turn out to be scum more often than not. Pressuring for a claim or 2 or if someone is SUPER scummy throughout the day (or town would be better off without them) then voting someone is fine. But to just random vote and hope to get mafia when you have no clue what sort of roles are in play, ha. I don't know how many times I've witnessed Doctor, Cop, Tracker, Watcher, Vig, Mason, etc being taken out Day 1 due to poor "reads". I'd prefer them getting some info in the night to use when they are being put up on the block the next day so we get at least SOME information to work with instead of complete WIFOM Day 1.

But if you're some superb scum hunter and have lynched mafia over 50% of your games Day 1, please link them all to me. I'd be glad to have such a pro scum hunter pushing for a Day 1 lynch. If you cannot produce that request, then kindly bugger off and realise we both have our own opinions on Day 1 lynches.

FP'd once more.

[Sinsun1]

No, seriously. Its mathematically bad for town to no lynch D1 with ms.net setups because town is then afforded one less lynch and, therefore, one less slot's information on vote counts et cetera.

Exactly. One less mislynch when we have REAL information and one less Town PR for N1.

[Sinsun1]

Yeah Day 1 lynches can ALWAYS be used to find information.

Yeah, we can find out mafia is laughing their asses off and town never learns from the first time. We can get MORE information from N1 with all of OUR roles in play.

[Sinsun1]

NL day one is insane

What about the words "hop on the wagon with me". That is not insane in its self? That seems to me like he has no real reason nor wants a reason to vote me. Just wants a wagon formed.

Meanwhile, there are very few of us active here. I'd be interested to hear from about 10 other people in the game. There's only about 6 of us currently active.

Anyway, I will be away all day tomorrow. Going up north a ways to visit the girlfriend, so if it gets to L3/L2 (which I doubt with this level of inactivity) just letting you know I wont be able to reply until late at night tomorrow. (Heck we still have almost 2 weeks, this is going to feel like forever).

FP'd 4 times: Mod, have you sent the link to the thread to EVERYONE? There are a few people I don't believe I've seen leave a single post.

So I am going to request LQ, Saint, (everyone active in the past page) to be quiet for a few hours. I want to see if anyone else is going to post or if we're going to have to go inactive submarine hunting.

FP'd 3 more times: Like I said, I am requesting us active folk be quiet for a few hours here. I want to see others posting otherwise there will be a lot of scum/3rd party flying under the radar very easily. (Lots of activity just nothing or one post every 5-10 pages from them).

FP'd AGAIN. FFS guys. Be silent for like 4 hours here. One more peep out of LQ today and I am keeping my vote on him NO MATTER WHAT. So cool your fingers off the keyboard for 4 hours here LQ.

[Sinsun1]

One more peep out of LQ today and I am keeping my vote on him NO MATTER WHAT. So cool your fingers off the keyboard for 4 hours here LQ.

I'm keeping my promise as I see he didn't even last an hour at the very least.

Anyway, my thoughts on the setup? With 21 people in it (not all active, maybe like tops of 10 of us posting regularly) we first look at the mafia:town ratio.

21/3 = 7 Mafia (like no.. just no..)
21/4 = 5-6 Mafia (Little better)

Now that would be a bare basic setup with no alterations.

As this IS a big game we can assume 1-2 third parties at play very easily. So I am picturing two setups here.

14/5/2 (Town/Mafia/3rd Party)
12/4/4/1 (Town/Mafia/2nd Mafia/3rd Party)

Obviously I can be off easily by the numbers as they are guesses. I do not know MM's mind and wont pretend to.

However, due to my role, I will say I don't think there is a SINGLE VT in the entire game. I think everyone is either PR's or weakened town (meaning we're weaker than a VT). Looking at my role is why I tend to believe Saint's claim even if I am suspicious about how quickly he outed it. I guess it does make sense (though I find it odd he is told he is Miller, can anyone confirm that on this site they tell you that you are miller. When I play with that role in play, the player usually does not know that they are Miller).

Anyway, to go a bit further in my current thinking. Unless there are two mafia factions there will be at least 5 mafia in one faction. (If two mafia factions then 3 or 4 per faction). Probably a Godfather, Framer, Roleblocker, ???, ??? in the team? Those are the normal roles I see for PRs for mafia. Then 1-2 3rd parties in play. Possibly Survivor/Serial Killer/Cult/Fool. For town we are looking at around* 14 townies. If Saint is town and is Miller, then we have about 2 roles weaker than VTs, possibly 1-2 weaker than VT or VT's and I'd say about 10 Power Roles. (Consisting of Cop and Doc at least, probably Tracker/Watcher in the mix).

*Estimate

To finish off this post, as Saint's role shows his character relatively relates to his role. So my question would be, how many people out there can say their role relates to their character on the show (as in it'd make sense that they ARE that role). In other words: Is your role flavour based on character? That is a simple question without giving any real information away. I ask it because I am going to watch some episodes this weekend and I want to know if I should keep an eye out for possible cult (biggest danger that Mafia and Town would face if they live for long).

I'm off to bed, when I wake up I may check back quickly to have a quick reply. But I am leaving fairly early out to spend the day with the girlfriend. So i wont be able to reply until about midnight tomorrow.

FP'd 3 times.

[Sinsun1]

That is only half a claim LQ. What's the name as well? Can't forget that part.

Anyway, I just refreshed my mind on what that role is and obviously there are no VT's. With 3 roles now that are weaker than a VT and actually HINDER town, we have to have a bunch of PRs. This is why I am not comfortable with Day 1 lynches. Right now if we were to lynch anyone besides myself, LQ or Saint, chances are, we'd hit one of our PRs.

I see no one has answered my question yet. So I will re-ask it this time with hopes of answers.

Does everyone's characters give them their role flavour?

Look at your character and role and figure it out.

[Sinsun1]

Lmao sorry. That bolded part was just a joke. Like when you go to a fortune teller and they tell you all this vague stuff?

Also, goof point. LQ, what's your role name?

I think all of the roles have flavour, but the fact that you're asking at all is weird. Sinsun. Of course they do. This is a large theme run by someone who is a big fan of that theme. Why are you asking?

Please read the last time I posted asking that question. It's only seen now because I made it large, bold and coloured. I am starting the first season tonight and want to be on the lookout for possible cult faction in this game which would be the biggest danger we face if we don't catch it early on.

UNVOTE: LQ

I do not believe his role one bit, but TAL has a point. One flaw in TAL's statement however. How do we know when we are at LYLO? That requires knowledge that town does not have.

Anyway, I am gong to start the series now and try to figure out the type of powers we may have and the type of enemies/3rd parties that we may face. Not saying I will be perfect, but it's good to do with nothing else on the table. That being said, we have 4 claims/partial claims on the table.

LQ ~ Beloved Prince ~ (Forgot name)
Saint ~ Miller ~ (Forgot name)
TAL ~ ??? ~ Rumplestiltskin
Sinsun ~ (Weaker than VT) ~ ???

The only reason I have said what I have said is to further my point in my belief that VTs do not exist in this game. Otherwise town would be easily overpowered if there are only 2-3 PRs with 3 NEGATIVE roles (when compared to a normal VT).

FP'd like 8-10 times. XD

[Sinsun1]

Having a hard time getting on track this game and I have a bunch going. I'm still around but hoping a flip or two at lynch and overnight will give me more Info.

this quote screams scum trying to skim by and eek out activity to make it into a later phase before actually contributing

Even I forgot RIP was in the game and I was just reading the players list.

Anyway, this reason by Saint is sufficient. RIP's wording here is very odd.

VOTE: RIP

(Also people have been dropping the vote tags and wondering why their votes aren't counting, it needs to be seeable by the mod).

[Sinsun1]

l
a single vote is not going to show up. Don't you guys read the setup thread?

Don't you read the vote count?

ChannelDelibird[1] - Senator

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[Sinsun1]

Oh look, RIP decided to drop on by (and wow, we are almost 700 posts before Day 1 is over haha, 300 of those are by LQ I bet!).

[Sinsun1]

I don't need to post every hour, nor do I need to spam 6-10 messages in a row to say something. I say my piece and let it go for a few hours before checking back and seeing if there's anything else I can say. Posting 5 one liner posts does not make you useful, it just raises your post count and makes you seem "active".

That aside, what about me is scummy RIP? I hear a bunch of accusations of me being "scummy" but nothing to support the claim. I don't post as often as everyone else, sure, but there's a reason behind that, it's Day 1, there's little info Day 1's most times and I am new to this site so I can't META anyone's gameplay nor dictate what is META for this site's way of going about things. I can only offer my opinion on how I see things logically which mathematically makes perfect sense, but every scum and his dog want to lynch today and then you got the townies that think they know who scum are but the real fact is 9 times out of 10 they poorly read others as "scummy" case and point those who have voted for me for no *real* reason other than not agreeing with me.

So I ask again RIP, what about me, Saint and Zabing is scummy? You can't make a claim without anything to back it up. Because currently the facts are that you have been inactive ALL of this current day phase and then come in and sheep people without giving any insight of your own or offer an opinion. Better yet, you OMGUS vote a person voting for you, which is the sign of a very newbie scum player or the sign of the town's idiot. Especially without supplying a case to back up your vote, it is purely OMGUS and you know it.

[Sinsun1]

LQ is a bloody idiot. Hell perhaps he's Jester and I am giving him what he wants, while RIP is becoming active now, LQ needs to learn when to be quiet. Not only is he not allowing others to speak (which prevents town from efficiently reading others), he's making a bloody fool of himself.

UNVOTE: RIP
VOTE: LQ

I say let us lose a bloody day, our PRs get two uses of their abilities as well. I can't stand another day with LQ alive. I'm locking in this vote, I am not changing it for any reason good or bad. He has disrupted any chance to use Day 1 to read anybody. Every single page has 3-6 posts just by him alone. Am I frustrated right now? Yes. I can't stand village idiots. Letting LQ live until Day 2 is bloody anti-town in its self because we're not going to benefit a single thing with him alive. Day 2 with him alive will be exactly like today, him yapping and having "scum" reads on people for the most stupidest things.

The sad part is, I think it's because he's still new to Mafia as a whole, either that or he only ever played RT mafia before this game because it requires no real scum hunting and the games end within 30 mins (tops).

Anyway, I am ending my rant for now and getting off before I blow up at LQ even further for wasting everyone's Day 1 so efficiently he has effectively helped scum for N1.

FP'd twice. LQ, believe me, no one needs to ISO you, you are on every fucking page...

[Sinsun1]

I've been thinking and there is a chance scum would leave him alive tonight so we'd be forced to waste a day lynching him tomorrow, lose day 3 and then in a way lose 2 days, so maybe we should lynch him.

I'm not talking about scum here. Assuming there's a vigilante in the game, that's the way for him to go. It will not only confirm whether or not he's lying and it prevents scum from taking advantage of his role. If there isn't a vig then... well we might be screwed lol

I'm serious LG, I don't want to risk anything blocking the vig or there simply not being a vig, I CANNOT stand another day with LQ in it. You can hate me all you want for it, but we can't get a clear read on anyone to even guess scum. I am just hoping LQ is actually scum to kill two birds with one stone.

But I am leaving my vote on him for the sake of my sanity going into Day 2. I have only ever been this adamant about lynching someone off to better town regardless what role they are one other time in my history of Mafia. I go for scum as much as I can, but I can't do it with LQ here. None of us can. There has been very little discussion today without LQ in it and it's driving me nuts that there can't be a single conversation or read from anyone else without LQ butting in.

No, I want to hang him up on that tree and hear the neck snap by the end of Day 1.

[Sinsun1]

zabing12[9] - MaxwellPuckett, Little Gumball, LicketyQuickity, HostileIntent, Jamierus, Nero Cain, Saint, RIP, PeaceBringer

[L-3]

Just want to start off, there are DEFINITELY scum on Zabing's wagon here. I'll do a current read of everybody at the bottom of this post.

I voted Zabing almost solely because LG voted them.

Did everybody miss this???

Best practice is to kill him now and reduce scum's knowledge of our roles because it's early game so that the extra night does less damage to us if he's actually town

I am beginning to like CDB, he is along the lines of my thinking. If LQ dies today, mafia have to take two BLIND shots. Tomorrow they have more of a chance to read who is PRs or going to be vital for town to be in game. Then again if LQ flips mafia like I am beginning to think he will, we will be one step closer to saying bye bye mafia.

CDB, you are trying to push this too hard. Its not like we only have 3 days to figure him or the game out. Killing him now is more detrimental to the town PRs than killing him day 2 or 3.

Read what I've said above. Your logic sucks.

Anyway, time for my list of current reads. (BTW the thing about the STDS9 thing about LQ's character not having to have anything to do with the season and flavour, thanks for pointing that out CDB, I am not a die-hard ST fan so I would have never known that).

Leaning Town

MaxwellPuckett
HostileIntent
zabing12
ChannelDelibird

Neutral

Jamierus
PeaceBringer
Jeanne11/(Titus or whoever replaced him/her)
Millar13
PeregrineV
davesaz
RIP
Saint
Narninian
Marcrell

Leaning Scum

The Archmage Ludicrous
Senator
Nero Cain
LicketyQuickity
Little Gumball
KlingonCelt

With my belief of about 4-6 mafia, I'd be laughing if all mafia is in my leaning scum list, but I know I am never that lucky Day 1.

Anyway, LQ's lynch has been proven now that it is beneficial to town whether he's BP or mafia.

FP'd a lot. LQ, you stand at the noose very soon.

[Sinsun1]

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All of it: its a load of garbage. Why are you being like this? Are you trying to pull a reverse or something?

Dude, you quoted that entire post to post 1 line consisting of garbage... You've been called out now by multiple people, your play is atrocious, I am thankful I will not have to put up with you tomorrow.

Sinsun, do you have zabing town because you think that with all those bad votes, a good few of them had to be from scum going for the mislynch?

Yeah, a lot of the reasons I feel were just fluff to vote just to mislynch someone.

I am hoping more people see why lynching LQ is beneficial for town, I'll point it out in BOLD and COLOURED this time just because those are the only times people see what I say fully.

If LQ is town. It gets rid of a headache for everyone in the game and it makes scum take blind guesses tonight, more blind than they would N2 or N3.

If LQ is scum.. Need I say more? (Aside from the fact this is likely because his character is not actually in the first season which this game is suppose to be based on).

FP'd 4 times. Give us a reason to not lynch you LQ. YOUR OWN REASON why keeping you alive has any benefit for town. Can you think of one possible benefit looking at this from a town perspective of keeping you around gives us?

[Sinsun1]

Posting in red is not allowed as per the rules on the front page.

Sorry MM, got carried away with the colour code of blue = town and red = scum.

Also lynching LQ provides us the information that not everyone has to be characters IN season 1 if he is truthful (which I call BS on).

Of course LQ's scum buddies are hoping to salvage him. I think this game is going to be easy if LQ flips scum because we're going to have soo many scum trying to protect him. I wonder if he's Godfather scum.. Hmm...

FP'd a few times. I just remembered, someone said something about (Grabbing quote here)

How are you 'scumhunting' aside from pushing without evidence?

Funny. You could say that about every single Day 1 ever. There's just no evidence about anything yet people still vote in hopes of catching scum.

FP'd twice. I don't respect your play LQ, I and many others in this game have told you to try being quite for a bit and watch interactions between others. You don't listen to anybody and hence useless in any later stage of the game, never minding the fact if you are BP killing you now is in the best interest in town and if you are scum, well win win for town.

[Sinsun1]

Sinsun, do you have zabing town because you think that with all those bad votes, a good few of them had to be from scum going for the mislynch? Because that's the only reason I can think. Also, if so, I could see it that way. Up until now I've thought that it was because of the large number of newbies.

Celt: This was my reasoning for why someone would have a townread on zabing, but I think Sinsun missed my question or ignored it (somehow I don't think scum ignore shit too often unless they're new or its an actual strat) and then I forgot about it entirely until you brought up the zabing thing again.

So we'll pretend the following does not exist everyone? Even Nero is so busy tunneling me he missed it.

Sinsun, do you have zabing town because you think that with all those bad votes, a good few of them had to be from scum going for the mislynch?

Yeah, a lot of the reasons I feel were just fluff to vote just to mislynch someone.

Is it possible that LQ is an SK/ Roddenberry would be perfect for a 3rd Party.

Which gives us another reason to lynch him. It actually does make more sense for him to be 3rd party flavour wise because he would of had to create both the good AND bad factions.

FP'd twice. I don't expect HI to refute anything you say LQ. You've been so far out there that you think hitting a fowl ball out of the park is still a home run.

[Sinsun1]

Come on, that's a terrible third party claim, maf would be all over that like hotcakes.

That's exactly why people can see LQ making it. XD Come to think of it, just taking a pot shot if he IS 3rd party. His series is a cult classic.. so cult... there's the missing cult I've been worrying about if he is 3rd party!

[Sinsun1]

Guys, I'm not afraid of going to LyLo this game. I am confident enough in my reads to get it right if it does come down to that. I have a pretty solid foundation for my reads at this point and I'm willing to bet that I am more correct than wrong. It is not good that I am the only one posting right now. Once it started getting past the 2 hour mark is when I am really worried. Going to check how long its been now. *checked* Its been about 1:45 since anyone beside the biggest posters posting and that is not good. There is stuff happening and there is enough to comment about. I'm not liking that people are not posting one bit.

You really think we will carry you to LYLO? You're a negative to town whether you're town or mafia, getting rid of you today is in everyone's best interests and currently 7 others besides myself agree.

I am just waiting on the final 4 votes so we can get this over with.

Like LQ, you don't even see why everyone is disliking you at this point and that's the sad part. The quote I have above of you is a prime example. You think everyone is on here 24/7. You're the only one on here 24/7. The rest of us work, do chores, go hang with friends, etc throughout the day. You know, this little thing called living. We can't be here 24/7 for a 2 week Day 1. We actually have to get away from the computer once in a while.

Anyway, you also read the Mod's post wrong, surprise surprise. MM has stated that he got mixed up. But nope, whatever you're smoking has you so far out there that you can twist what MM says to fit what you want it to fit somehow. Whatever you're smoking, please share it with the rest of us, because it seems like some pretty hard hallucinogen stuff going on there.

FP'd 3 times by Zabing. Please Zabing, vote him.. I want this done and over with ASAP.

FP'd 2 more times, you as well PB, if you and Zabing vote, we can put it at L2 and almost be done with this headache.

FP'd again.

[Sinsun1]

because Sin asked nicely?

Ask nice enough and people will do what you want them to do. In this case, ridding the town of a migraine.

[Sinsun1]

because Sin asked nicely?

Ask nice enough and people will do what you want them to do. In this case, ridding the town of a migraine.

Please lynch yourself

When your smile looks like that. That's more creepy than nice.

Anyway, before going to bed here, it has occurred to me I am probably sounding like an asshole to LQ today. So I'm going to try to give some constructive criticism here at the very least before I go to bed (somehow I imagine when I wake up and read the 20 pages LQ has left I will regret trying to be nice).

LQ.. Your game play so far this game is horrendous. I don't think you need to be wise to figure that out with all these votes piling on you. So let me just give a paragraph or so here for you.

This is a 21 player game. Day 1 is 25-33% posts of JUST YOU. When people ask you to be quiet and let others interact, that does not mean they need to post more, it means you need to go do something with your day for a few hours and let others interact and pick each other apart. You don't need to have a say on every single post ever made in the game and bring the spotlight on you. When you make everything about you, you make people annoyed and when people are annoyed, they tend to not care what alignment you are anymore.

On a final note, rethinking how you replied to my question "because I am town".. No.. that is not even a good answer, that actually makes you a hypocrite because you are demanding answers from HI, yet you have a poor excuse. About 13 other people are town as well, some will still get lynched. There has to be a reason why keeping you around is beneficial to town otherwise why should we? We've stated the advantages to just getting you out of the way with, now give people a reason why they shouldn't just vote you off. A real genuine reason that benefits town over the benefits of outright lynching you off. Just as a reminder the benefits of lynching you off:

- Gets rid of a migraine for town
- Gets double night out of the way with and causes scum to have to blind fire twice in a row instead of having more informed decision later on.
- If you're scum, well hey, win win for us.
- Gives us a chance to read those who were protecting you better depending on how you flip.

Now, that means you need 4 reasons to not be lynched. Gotta equal to or outweigh the bad to be good.

[Sinsun1]

Gawd damn it Max, we were going to be 1-2 votes away from getting rid of a town headache.

That being said, LQ has actually been quiet between now and my post last night (which is roughly 8-10 hours ago) so unless it's just because he was sleeping as well I give him points for that. That being said, even if he's town the benefit town has over him dying now rather than later outweighs everything else. So even if I can give him points for letting others speak for an actual page here without his input his claim has seriously messed up his chances of me letting him get away with today.

Also I am still watching through the series, I saw my character by the end of the first part (at least I think that's her, she looks a bit different from my picture of her). But damn, I thought they'd be tops 40 min long shows... First episode alone was almost 90 mins. More like movies than a tv series. XD

MM has been posting videos about various stuff by the way. I am wondering if he is trying to provide proof for a fake claim to work or just diddling around with videos because he watched the full season.

[Sinsun1]

1. Death by lynch gives scum 2 extra nightkills.
2. Death by NK only give them 1 extra NK.
3. He's got 250+ posts. If I go back, am I going to find a REALLY high fluff/content ratio? I doubt it.

1. So does hoping a vig does it and if vig does not exist, refuses to or somehow cannot kill LQ then they get those two extra night kills with MORE information on who our PRs are.
2. Again, if he is town BP, they'd leave him for a while until they wanted two quick night kills. Probably JUST before we reach LYLO.
3. I'd say 9:1 fluff:content ratio. That's being generous.

But since you just admitted to skipping most of Day 1, do you really want Day 2 to be the same with him in it? If so, I question your motives for wanting it to be filled with posts by LQ. Also for skipping most of Day 1 by admitting to not reading all of it (by not knowing the fluff:content ratio results) I would say your opinion on this lynch is invalid. Read the full day before throwing out garbage like this and read the reasons people have given for lynching LQ to be beneficial either way he flips.

[Sinsun1]

This is admittedly a silly argument and semantics but you brought up 'extra nightkill' which isn't a thing that is going to happen from lynching vs death at night.

Here's another thing as well. Our cop gets an "extra" investigation. Our Doc gets an "extra" save. Our Bodyguard or whomever else gets an "extra" of their actions. So the logic they keep trying to push is so flawed. Right now they can use that "extra" use without worrying about being READ as town PR or being OUTED as town PR to scum.

[Sinsun1]

Here's another thing about the town PRs which LQ did not think of if he is scum fake claiming BP.

Here's a question. WHO PLANS TO OUT THEIR N1 RESULTS TOMORROW? If not, then you should be happy with 2 nights before maybe outing the information you could gather.

It'd be more serious if you had 3 cop reads and then LQ died before you outed, found a scum for the 4th read but died by your 5th one because scum found you before you outed.

This way we have max usage of PRs out of this scenario without that risk. So unless you plan to out your role and action tomorrow, then you should not even consider letting him live another day.

[Sinsun1]

Here's worst case scenario of not lynching LQ right now.

LQ lives till Day 2, Cop finds ONE scum N1 but decides there's enough people alive to be relatively safe one more night at the very least so they withhold their claim. But then LQ is killed N2 or lynched D2 and the Cop finds ANOTHER scum making 2 for 2, however N3 they are killed before they can claim anything Day 4.

So like I said, unless you all plan on outing your Night 1 results tomorrow, then you are putting town at a disadvantage. Heck, that could be the same scenario Day 4, cop as 2 town and 1 scum, finds another scum but LQ is killed so must go another night and Day 6 we come out missing 2 town and 2 scum reads we could of had Day 5.

[Sinsun1]

HI is going down If I flip my actual claim.

So why not benefit town and vote yourself off? I mean you'd be killing two birds with one stone literally if you are town, otherwise goodbye mafia.

[Sinsun1]

Actually HI, since you have things out on the table, you can essentially clear people perhaps as well. I am guessing there has to be rules to your questions, are you allowed to disclose them to town during day phase? Are they two questions EVERY day or only two questions for the entire game?

Finally, if they are two questions every day and you only used one so far today, perhaps you can use the second one on mine or Saint's claim. Mine is weaker than VT and Saint's is Miller, so find if those posts have truth to them.

[Sinsun1]

Alright, so don't waste the last question on us then. We're negative roles so wouldn't be any use. ALTHOUGH, you could ask if there are any VT's in the game. I suspect that answer is no, but whatever, I'll leave the 2nd question up to you as now you will be a target.

If you are scum, LQ's flip would disprove your claim by the way HI. But if LQ flips 3rd party or SCUM or ANYTHING but his exact claim then you'll be pretty much cleared and my town read on you would have been correct.

FP'd by LQ. She is saying your claim if bloody f___ing false LQ. Your claim is not a CHARACTER in the show. So stop your nonsense and just lynch yourself if you are town.

FP'd twice. LQ, your flip either proves her right or wrong, so just do everyone a favour and vote yourself.

FP'd twice more. FINALLY. 1-2 more votes I believe.

[Sinsun1]

Finally. Though are there normally TWILIGHT on this site or do we perhaps have a role that has that time to choose an action going into the night (like a jailor)?

Either way, I'm awaiting the flip. If mafia, ha, that headache and scum are dead. If town, will look at HI a bit more.

[Sinsun1]

You can find who is town and who is Scum by doing and ISO of me

Yeah, no. No one has time to read through your 400 posts. If you want to be useful to town (if you really are town) give a final list of all your reads + why you read them as such. That is probably about as useful as these 5 hours are going to be.

[Sinsun1]

I lied.

I swear if he flips Mafia, I am going to LMFAO.

[Sinsun1]

See, we've just sent Town cops, weak hiders, Trackers, Docs, and w.e. else into a blind night. They dont know who scum is. The scum know who town is , however.

If they knew who scum were, we wouldn't need their bloody role. It's better now than when they know who scum is and die because they off LQ later on before they can out. Scum are the ONLY people who know when LYLO is. You're scummy as shit for wanting LQ to stick around, FOS hard as hell on you for tomorrow Senator.

[Sinsun1]

Are you just scared of a lylo you know isn't for at least 5 days.

Titus is ripping you a new one. Senator, it might be your profile picture or it might be just you, but you're scummy as all shit. I hope an vig offs you tonight. This situation would be worse in later game when our PRs actually have information and DIE before they can even bloody out their info. The only thing lynching LQ does now is gets a headache out of the way, gets it over with and takes away scum's ability to off him whenever they feel like it.

Tomorrow Senator, my first vote is on you, you've been defending LQ for ALL the wrong reasons today.

FP'd 3 times, I'm happy with my decision here. I will be voting Senator come Day 3 if LQ really is BP.

FP'd again, because Senator is FUCKING SCUM.

[Sinsun1]

VOTE: Senator

I promised I'd vote you first thing and you're still alive so here's my vote.

From the night kills I have to LMFAO. Doing double night for N1 and N2 protected our town PRs. We got rid of a headache to the town for Day 1, gave cop 2 days of investigation and survived, miller got offed, not sure what gladiator does. But yeah, we didn't lose that much, sure all 4 were town, but it's better than losing our doctors and cops to it.

My take of it is a vig either shot Saint or hider hid behind Saint thinking he'd be safe and mafia offed him for unknown reasons.

Then mafia offed HI. Which is interesting because people on the LQ lynch are being offed by Mafia, really? Are you that pissed off that we took that control away from you?

Senator today makes no sense, yet again. Come out of the double night with minimal loses (I mean seriously, what did we lose... A hider, a miller and a whatever the hell a gladiator is??? Then he protests his innocence at the very beginning of the day with no other comments yet. Yeah, no, not buying it. Scum written all over him.

[Sinsun1]

Did you not get a chance to make that pun during RVS or do you have something to actually say about Sinsun?

true, I didn't make an RVS vote but I actully think Sinsun is scum, hence why I am voting him.

I find this funny.

1.) Most of the dead town have town-read me. Reminder that everyone putting their reads up about me right now are not confirmed town. Dead town are confirmed town. (Which brings a point, why the hell would I kill people with weak roles that have town-read me? I'm not a noob buddy).

2.) You have posted little to no content/case what so ever. You have tunneled me since Day 1 and I have been one of the ones that pushed LQ's lynch either way for the BENEFIT of town. We no longer have 20 pages to read each day, our STRONG PRs are not dead and now we seem to be homing in on something.

Nero, if I were scum bud, I'd have offed you already before anyone took notice of your tunneling. Right now you're being ignored like a street druggie trying to buy smokes from people.

Anyway, moving on from the tunneler. Is it possible to look through a thread on here or sort it by usernames or something where I can just read ONE person's comments only without digging through pages? I want to reread HI's and Saint's reads. I am thinking something they said was spot on which is why they were killed.

Until that question is answered.
- RIP.. What in the actual ____ was that?
- TAL requesting replacement when people are beginning to look at him a bit more suspiciously.. Interesting. Noted.
- A lot of people are being replaced this game.. -.-

FP'd twice by Senator. Yeah, I am pretty confident with my vote on you.

[Sinsun1]

Interesting fact: I wasn't far off when I said how much LQ's posting was taking up. He has posted 20% of current posts.

HI was looking at Senator at the end of the day.

Can't really see a read from Saint for any reason for him to die. It may have also been a vig kill.

[Sinsun1]

I'm keeping my vote on Senator for a few reasons.

1.) If he's town, scum could have easily bandwagoned him by now and lynched him off.

2.) If he's scum, his lynch will show that people who were not ready to vote him until it was obvious he was going to be the lynch target to be possible scum.

So he's either scum or will show where the scum should be.

[Sinsun1]

I don't have a town read on CBD but I think the "Max hid behind him" case is a pretty big stretch.

Then who did Max the hider hide behind, and why?

My guess is Saint, because he claimed Miller. If you were scum, would you shoot a miller? So he probably thought it would be a safe hide.

[Sinsun1]

@Mod - we also have multiple players in 10+ day absences. I fully understand that replacements at this stage are an issue, but...seriously, they're not playing the game. It's kind of uncool. Feel free to make me a DayVig - I'll sort this business in short order.

Or you know, up my power so I can see if they're not talking because they're scum or not talking because they're simply inactive. XDD

Anyway, this whole day is a cluster____ like yesterday. Right now I am wanting to lynch RIP for his glaringly apparent lack of interest in this game that he posts but with no content nor caring to try what so ever. I just feel like Senator is scum or will give us good reads as to where scum will be. But give me that day vig power and I'd blow RIP's head off in a heartbeat.

[Sinsun1]

Anyway, this whole day is a cluster____ like yesterday.

No - it isn't.
What this day *is* is a lurk fest.
You are part and parcel of that problem as far as I can tell since your vote is currently on Senator (a dying/dead wagon) and you are complaining about RIP more than you are complaining about how the Senator wagon has literally shredded to pieces.

Would you be in support of either a Peacebringer lynch or a CDB lynch? I consider both of them fairly viable wagons at this stage and both are drastically in need of more support.
Which do you like better? Could/would you vote one of them? If not - I would at *least* suggest a move to RIP, a player multiple other players have expressed issue with and who, unlike Senator, has not had multiple people call him townish.

Just a thought.

Now what I have a problem with right here, is the fact that you're trying to direct my vote. I don't care what wagon has more people on it, but the fact that you do means you just want someone lynched. Not caring if they are scum or not. By this post of yours, you have slipped. You don't want me to have a reason to vote PB or CDB, both whom I town read. You just want me to vote them to get rid of them for you.

Want me to switch my vote? This post has been enough for me to do so.

UNVOTE: Senator
VOTE: Thor665

When people are trying to control votes when there is absolutely no factual information on the table like they outed as cop or something when they in fact did not, I am not okay with that, nor am I okay with anyone who sheeps them like they're their herder.

The part of the problem is that everyone is on V/LA for X amount of days every few days or getting replaced/asking for replacements regularly.

Also, if you did not notice the person you replaced for, towards the end of the day 1, people were beginning to suspect. Not only was the beginning of the "guess my name by day 3" thing weird, but TAL was scummy as all hell.

Now I have you the benefit of a doubt, for replacing in for him, that's no longer an excuse for me not to vote that spot nor is it enough anymore after reading you trying to direct town like you're cleared when your spot is one of the most suspicious out of all the outed/softed roles so far, not to mention how that spot has behaved by both TAL and yourself.

Now. My vote sticks. People seen how adamant I was about the LQ vote being good either way and I am in the belief that your motivations for pushing option A or B and trying to completely avoid the person I was voting for even if not many others were voting for him tells me that he is either your scum buddy or that you have an agenda to lynch certain people off before they figure you out. Too bad buster, your ass is grass after that post.

[Sinsun1]

Well this day is becoming unproductive realistically, I kinda wish we had a mass kill option to rid of those who aren't contributing what so ever.

1. Klingoncelt - Active
2. Channel Delibird - Active
3. davesaz - Active
4. Senator - Active
5. Narninian - Active
6. ArcAngel9 - V/LA
7.displaced - ???
8. Zabing12 - ???
10. Peacebringer - Active
12. Titus - Active
13. Sinsun1 - Active
14. RIP - Active Troll
16. Thor665 - Active
17. PeregrineV - Active
18. Nero Cain - Active
20. Jamierus - ???
21. LittleGumball - ???

This is just off the top of my head as people I remember posting in the past while. Maybe I missed some or saw so much from one I marked as active even if they aren't. But let's see, we need 9 to lynch, we have about 11-12 active people. Now correct me if I am wrong here, but we have 21 people total in this game, with 4 dead as town. We have roughly around 7 anti-town and 10 town left (roughly, never know, it's up to mod to pick). We're at about 7 anti-town and 10 town. Now let's pretend all anti-town is active for a second here. That would mean we have 5 inactive town (assuming all inactives are town and anti-town are all currently active). With 7 active anti-town and 5 active town. This furthers my reason why I am against Thor, right now the active majority may very well be mafia/3rd party so the majority "consensus" wagon could easily be controlled by anti-town.

With Thor trying to control votes, yes, I find it scummy when they could be controlling the majority of active players currently. I do find that behaviour scummy as hell at this point without him outing any good information because it's too easy that he's scum leading town in the wrong direction and my guess right now is that's exactly what he is.

Anyone defending his train of thought and telling me to switch, either you're a blind town or buddying him trying to coerce me to change off of him. I will not until I see his neck with rope around it dangling from a tree and a crow picking at his flesh.

[Sinsun1]

PeaceBringer(2) - Thor665
Thor665(1) - Thor665

Thor stole my vote, auto scum (jk) but seriously my case on him is just as good as any right now and I think it has its own merits as it does make sense scum would want to tell people where to place their votes in a game mostly consisting of noobs and V/LA's/Inactives.

However...

Sinsun's desire to sheep dead people as of 1556 is probably a towntell as long as he actually goes ahead and does the work to see who the dead people suspected ... and no, he doesn't, despite getting an answer to his question about if an iso feature exists.

Sinsun, why did you drop your desire to follow who the dead people suspected?

Jamierus is close to that level of nothingness, but he's actually posted a handful of times and his pattern more closely matches 'scum who really can't put in the effort, especially when people aren't pestering him', so I'd entirely welcome a policy-ish lynch on him because I think it's got a decent chance of getting results.

To the first point, I made a brief comment that one seemed to be looking toward Senator. Hard to read who they think are bad when I have no prior experience with any of them to see when their thought train begins to bing baddy on someone.

Second point, I actually agree. I have a theory about scum in play styles and typical patterns and Jamierus fits it. You've convinced me here.
UNVOTE: Thor (Oh don't worry, I wont be forgetting you)
VOTE: Jamierus

Why do you Townread Sinsun?

Town paranoia whilst selling the idea of seven aligned scum.

Also I never said they were all aligned, I said anti-town. So interesting choice of words there Thor.

[Sinsun1]

Also I never said they were all aligned, I said anti-town. So interesting choice of words there Thor.

If you don't think they're aligned then what is your actual fear?

It's only logical for anti-town to want town cop/doc gone as soon as possible, so a mutual temporary alliance to eliminate them is not hard to see the possibility of. One side knows it isn't their guy being lynched and the other side knows it isn't theirs, so they're willing to lynch them off.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: Jamierus (Guess no one thinks his play falls under scum category for now)
VOTE: RIP (Between his play lately and the fact I believe CDB is town more-so than RIP, I'd rather get rid of the scummier player).

[Sinsun1]

- Kling confirmed scum.
- Nero confirmed scum.
- Sen confirmed scum.

- CDB confirmed town.

Why would scum kill miller? He was active and town read. In this game, being town and being active means a lot. So I'd not be surprised if I go missing tonight because I am active and being town read by most alive people (even with shitty excuses to snap in a comment or two about me).

Seriously look at the game here, if mafia really are all active, the town is screwed with these constant mislynches. Most votes on CDB are hiding being "hider crumbs" I bet Max is rolling over in his grave where town is letting mafia to use that against town. Max hid being Saint because he was miller, miller was a VERY safe role to hide behind initially in any thought process, but he was active in a mostly inactive game, he was townread and let's face it, the scum team are probably full of noobs but there's not enough active town to actually call them out because most are inactive.

Those 4 reads I have at the top, I am willing to put money down on those reads. The second CDB flips town, I'm going to just vote only on the CDB wagon, because there's at least 3-4 scum on it. Trying to get rid of active town before the game gets going so far. If Thor is town (ha, I doubt that) then he's only being noobish and helping the mafia with that wagon. It's time to wake up and see that mafia (such as Kling and Nero) are wanting to hammer CDB off before deadline so that we're one less town. Albeit, he isn't a town PR, he's town.

[Sinsun1]

This, combined with the OMGUS vote I mentioned earlier leads me to this...
VOTE: Sinsun

This isnt going to happen. CDB/RIP are your choices. (Or no lynch if you prefer that...)

I think it's pretty evident that they aren't my only choices, as I chose something else. It might not be a likely lynch, but, that doesn't mean I shouldn't vote my strongest read.

If I'm your strongest read, you have some serious soul searching to do with the 3 day extension given.

The worst part of all these replacements is that we have to basically give them somewhat a fresh start and/or remember who they are replacing. I almost feel like replacing out myself and never returning to the site BECAUSE of all the replacements. It's insane. Then add on all the ones on 1-2 week long V/LA. I feel bad for the mod, but that tells me almost everyone playing here is new to the site. That's why to be honest, I'd be hunting in the quiet ones, such as RIP, Jam, etc like CDB noted is because the other thing Saint and HI had in common I do believe is that they have been playing for a while. So the newer players without site meta would probably aim for the vets of this particular site (like they do on Epic Mafia which drove me away because I vetted almost everyone I played against so I got fear killed N1 basically every game I played and I ended up being doctor/cop more often than not).

Thor, I'm not sure if you're shit town or scum trying to have CDB lynched, but if you're town, you really need to step up your game and see that you're putting a townie on the lynch block over someone like RIP who plays like uncaring scum and unlike CDB, would not be useful to us in any shape or form in late game. He's not active and he's not very town-ish. CDB is town-ish and is active. So as far as I am concerned, pushing on him right now is a stupid town or scum tell when we need all the active townies we can get. Look at the two that are dead, ANOTHER thing they had in common was they were for the LQ lynch. That tells me that the scum that killed them were most likely in the group opposed to it. Which, correct me if I am wrong, your spot, TAL, was.

[Sinsun1]

Also, yes Thor, you do know what makes more strategic sense to you.. if you're mafia it makes PERFECT sense to lynch off active town. Kill them before they even knew what hit them.

Call my play derp play all you wish, but what I am saying makes sense. Mafia want the ACTIVE town gone in a game majorly involving inactives.

FP'd 3 times, lol, look, no explanations. They damn well know I'm spot on.

[Sinsun1]

I'm dead tonight anyway because I'm active and town, two things scum are against right now so I'm just going to call this out for endgame which shouldn't be far away at this rate which again, I'm seriously thinking of asking for a replacement and just not returning. This game is definitely does not give this site a good view compared to another site I play on that might have 30 people tops who log in regularly, play the phases in 24-48 hour time frames and you get more quality posts from people with less noob-ish reads. This right here is town who does not give a shit about their win-con enough to scum hunt while scum is walking all the fuck over them.

So here's my list I'm calling out because it's soo painfully obvious it hurts.

Scum Team:
> Kling
> Senator
> Thor
> Nero
> LG
For the final 2, I am thinking Pere and RIP

You guys might as well lynch CDB and night kill me, not like there's enough active town left alive to give a shit. You killed Saint and got lucky killing Max to frame CDB and killed HI as well. Sure none of us were the town POWER roles, but we're all the active townies (whom may I remind, Day 1 I made a list of people I pretty much knew were town and thought were mafia and I was damn right on my town reads). So go ahead, you're not going to have enough active town to stop scum win anyway. Not with 6-7 against maybe 3-4 active town that aren't so bright.

FP'd by Senator. Senator, you've been obvious scum most of the game. Don't hide behind bandwagons and pretend you're not. You're the most obvious guy out there, just there's enough scum alive and inactive town to keep you around. If there wasn't you'd be gone and there'd be one less scum to deal with.

[Sinsun1]

Senator, don't even pretend you're town bud. You've been so painfully obvious this game, I wish I had a day-shot ability just to off you when this day started and have one less scum in the game.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: RIP
VOTE: Kling

Alrighty then Titus, lets see if we can kill some obv scum then this game before town gets destroyed by inactivity.

[Sinsun1]

Do you mind helping me out here? Why is she obvscum? If you have oulined the case before, I'd be ok with a link to that.

You mean besides the fact she wanted to kill CDB the second he claimed without discussion?

[Sinsun1]

LOL at Kling if you seriously think all four of us are scum considering I've wanted 2 of them dead today and was willing to see them hanged without much effort from other townies or scum if they were town, but now it's just apparent your over defensive once being called out and now voted by multiple sources. The wagon on you is growing because we believe CDB is town (which seriously CDB, we're doing this to keep you, our ACTICE VT town read alive, might not be the best case going, but a more scummier player than you being lynched is much better than having an active pro-townie die).

Once I am killed tonight, I'll be waiting for endgame for my call outs to be at least half right at the very least.

Also yes Kling, they do require more for scum hunting, but they also have ACTIVE players to read and are not complete nubs at the game unlike a majority of our player base here as is obvious by their illogical thinking for Hider crumb. No, he did not hide behind CDB, that is an over analyzation for a cop out to kill town without much effort on a bullshit "50/50" basis which is not 50/50 if you think about it. The hider for N1 would most likely hide behind a target he's safe behind, not one he thinks is scum without giving a bigger crumb than that.

I really hope Max is not still reading the game and seeing how that logic goes over your heads when a single scum suggests an obvious town player was hid behind. I'd expect a little more thought to it than what was given, which was none on the entire CDB wagon.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: Kling
VOTE: RIP

Deadline IS approaching and RIP yet again shows up with shit all for town. At least Kling is active active, RIP is a sad excuse for "active" and that he didn't "kill" any scum yet. Yeah, bad choice of words there bud.

Titus, while I would not mind a Kling lynch, I think getting rid of RIP overrides Kling.

[Sinsun1]

Sinsun be my in thread mason?

We'll see if you can get more town cred first. Each day that goes on, views change as more pieces of the puzzle are put into place.

[Sinsun1]

No Thor, it's not. When people believe said claim and he's pro-town unlike you, we keep him alive. You do not dictate who lives and dies. I can't wait for others to wake up and see just how scummy as all hell you are.

The wagon is over, we're not lynching CDB, suck it up. You got served on your fail attempt to lynch a townie.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: RIP (Giant hole in your claim, but you're still a newby so whatever).

Neither choices can get enough votes. I am going back to Thor because he is pushing CDB lynch hard. Tunneling hard, without even giving proper reads on others. Basically ignoring the other choices today because he's hard tunneling a single player most people town-read.

VOTE: Thor

I don't care that most of you don't want this vote, but that fact alone pushes the point that scum would not want to vote scum either. So if CDB is scum and Thor is town, think about this, why would CDB be soo against lynching Thor if CDB was mafia? My conclusion is either they're both mafia or CDB is town and town reads Thor for all the wrong reasons.

Thor replaced TAL btw who was against lynching LQ which we all pretty much know by now, wanting the BP alive is a heavy scum motive. Sure, he has a name claim out right now, it could be a false claim or it could be a real claim, it doesn't make it a town claim nor is there a power associated with it currently besides a name. So we have no real flavour from Thor's role.

[Sinsun1]

Sure I voted him because he was being dense enough to be scum.


Are you saying you've popped out a vote withoout regard to the current situation?

Pedit: gauging the reactions of others.

What current situation?

The real current situation is the guilty by the town hider. (1411)

Which is falsified by scum. The hider (Max) most likely hid behind the miller (Saint). But scum are jumping at the opportunity to mislynch town. I believe the majority of the CDB wagon was built up consisting of majority scum.

[Sinsun1]

Thor, seriously, stop ignoring me. Why do you scum read CDB. Besides being the key source behind trying to say the hider hid behind him which I and many others doubt because Max would most likely try the best survivability till later in game when his role is more vital. Doing a maybe hide behind scum would be a risky move and with who and how people flipped, I seriously doubt Max hid behind CDB with even the remotest chance.

So besides the hider theory, what else do you have? If you can't answer this, you are tunneling on a single questionable post.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: Thor
VOTE: Senator

After those posts, I'm in love with Suzune, not even 24 hours subbing in, she's calling Senator on his crap and mainly WHY he's anti-town. Thor can wait another day, Suzune just bloody called Senator out on his entire shit bucket of posts that have not progressed town one bit.

If Senator flips scum, I am leaning hard town on Suzune's game-spot.

FP'd by CDB. I'm telling you man, Thor is mafia/3rd party, he's tunneling you so hard this game it's unreal.

FP'd by Suzune. Yeah, I agree, people need to sum everything they're saying for that 30-60 mins into ONE post. Multi-posting is annoying, especially when it's 1-2 sentences max.

[Sinsun1]

CDB, I love ya man as town, it's easy to see you're town with us, but you need to see Senator is scummy as all hell. There's a few others out there (I made a good list of ones I thought at the time) that are scummy, all I'd be willing to vote for, but if you think the last 4 people voting for you on that wagon was town, there's something wrong there. Thor wants you dead, Senator wanted you dead, even RIP wanted you dead.

You town read the 3 scummiest guys there are, Out of Thor, Senator, RIP, I am confident there are at least 2 scum in those 3.

[Sinsun1]

Well CDB, there are 17 of us alive. 16 excluding you which if the game is balanced roughly 7 are anti-town and 9 others are town with you. You have a few town reads, so give it a shot and pick the top 7 in order that you believe to be scum because you're not for going against Senator and Thor whom I rate higher than others on the scum scale with RIP and Kling not falling too far behind them.

[Sinsun1]

To give mine fully again (after events over the past day) my current spot reads are:

Town:
- CDB
- Riabi
- Titus
- Suzune
Which leaves 5 town spots to fill in my head.

Scum:
- Thor
- Senator
- Kling
- RIP
Leaving about 3 anti-town slots in my head.

Neutral/Leaning town/scum:
- dave
- Narn
- ArcAngel (Okay, this is unfair since they have not been active TO read.. If this spot is scum, I call bullshit because flying that much under the radar to be gone the whole day phase on V/LA is BS).
- displaced
- Sala
- Pere
- Nero
- LG's spot.
Just slot those 8 into scum/town spots as my reads grow stronger.

But yeah, something like that, give me/rest of remaining town an idea of what slots you are thinking here.

FP'd 3 times.

First, did not say 7 scum(mafia), I am saying 7 anti-town. It could be 5 scum, 2 3rd party, 3 scum, 3 2nd scum and 1 third party, who the hell knows? Either way I believe there to be about 7 anti-town in the game of whichever faction they are in against town and I think you need to stop letting people like Senator and Thor push wagons that almost got you killed while letting them get off scott free and going for a completely random person that is semi-quiet with no other comments besides a "Preferred lynch" list. No, I want to see who you believe to be scum at this point and time. Don't beat around the bush and don't let yourself be taken out without getting out your idea of the current player base town/scum reads.

I pushed hard as hell to make sure you didn't get lynched the other day there, so you owe me this much to help out the town.

[Sinsun1]

The worst part is your flagrant arrogance.

This coming from you means nothing. I can't wait for you to flip mafia after being lynched/vigged so that we get better reads on who's been avoiding voting you (*Cough* THOR *Cough*)

FP'd by CDB. Maybe I shouldn't of saved you. You're an ass when you're safe after a few townies worked their ass off to keep you from being hammered at L1. If it wasn't for Titus, I and a VERY few others (like 1 other person), it'd be night phase right now and you'd be dead. Now I ask a simple thing from you and you get snappy at me to "read" your posts. I've been reading your posts, they only point towards about 3 people. So instead of being snappy, you say HEY, I only have scum reads for about 3 people and not a full list of 6-7 like there most likely is out there.

With your attitude, next time I'll bloody hammer it myself instead of pushing to keep you off the lynch block.

[Sinsun1]

5 posts in a row of a single line. At this point I am not even going to bother trying to town read anything from you Senator. At this point, you're just a policy lynch with hopes that the town is right in you being scum.

I'm done for today, either we're lynching Senator or not lynching anyone. Take your choices.

[Sinsun1]

Like I said earlier. It's a Sen lynch or a no lynch. No more flopping back and forth between potentials.

The case on Narn is literal shit. The exact same thing you're voting him for is what most of the players have been doing for the past week. So by making that case you're saying we should lynch everyone who's been going back and forth between them.

Also a name claim is shit without a role claim. People need to stop letting others get away with that. Claim your role to see if it aligns with flavour. If not, you're lying. Simple as that. Heck, I could give my name claim, it means nothing without being able to compare my "power" to.

Maybe it's Senator's profile picture that has me wanting him lynched the most. Perhaps his 5 straight posts of one liners which in most sites would count as spam. Perhaps it's the fact he's arrogant and cocky about not being lynched when more and more people are scum reading him hardcore. Or perhaps it's the fact he's an alt account in a game that was suppose to be against alt accounts joining. Or, maybe, just maybe it's the fact that he's not done one thing pro-town the entire game. Not a single pro-town feature has come from him. Thor and CDB are being too defensive of him. If Senator is scum, his teammates are doing a piss poor job of staying hidden.

FP'd 3 times. Seriously, what's going on where Sen's allowed to use an alt account?

[Sinsun1]

Like I said, it's going to be a Senator lynch or a no lynch.

Also note that The Fox is ALREADY replacing out shortly after he/she placed in. So my guess is LG and TF did not like their slot's role.

[Sinsun1]

Well now I know this is flipping scum

Scum are making weird kills. I mean REALLY weird kills. I'm sorry, but either scum is stupid or the majority of the "good" active players are the scum themselves. Senator was a good lynch even if he was town. He killed the bloody miller who basically everyone else town read him which got ANOTHER townie killed and scum failed to kill N2, so if we have a roleblocker, I really suggest he outs who he blocked. Because unless scum tried killing Max directly, I believe the blocker hit the jackpot there.

This game is sad though, so many inactives and the two good lynches were against town members who are insane. First LQ who was just at the point no one wanted to deal with him then Senator who bloody shot the miller killing a hider and planned on probably killing another townie had he lived because he suspected everyone. Neither of them were scum hunters though and neither of them were an asset to the town. So I am going to ask that no one else act like they did, because they got to the point not even the few of us town left wanted them alive.

We're now at the game stage that we need to draw the line on who's town and who's not. 6 dead town. There are 15 of us left alive. IF my earlier prediction of 7 anti-town was correct we'd be a sort of lylo where the game would be out of town's hands and reliant on 3rd parties swinging around and offing scum themselves. But let's be generous here and assume 5-6 anti-town. 5 is being a pipe dream and 6 is hopeful. That means we need town to get on their feet now and if our PRs has anything (which so far they've been lucky not to be hit even once), now would be the time to out it if it's concrete.

Also I hate to say it, but a lot of my town reads were on the Senator wagon and since there were 9 on that wagon, there is definitely at least 1-2 scum on it. With 2 dead we're down to 7 to look at and from my perspective 6 others.

1. Klingoncelt
2. Channel Delibird
3. davesaz
5. Narninian
6. ArcAngel9
7.displaced
8. Riabi
12. Titus
13. Sinsun1
14. RIP
16. Thor665
17. PeregrineV
18. Nero Cain
20. Suzune
21. LittleGumball

Riabi, Suzune and now RIP are in my new list of townies.

Suzune makes a good point in why Sala dies which from her game-play so far is not hard to believe came from an analytical townie perspective of their death. Another thing is that Sala said they'd sheep Thor the next day which could be another reason, albeit small reason to be dead which would shine a small lean town on Thor.

Now onto the other wagons of yesterday. Narn and CDB. I think there's no denial at least 1 of these 2 are scum if not both from how the action is playing out. I think I'm going to go with CDB being that scum. He's town reading Thor and Thor is scum reading the hell out of him, too many people are following him, he's basically an ass-hat and the thing about town reading Thor is I believe he is trying to buddy Thor.

VOTE: CDB

Another reason why I am changing my tune towards CDB is that there seem to be too many VT's and weaker than VT's floating around. Too many roles that hinder town over helping it. So some people trying to blend in as "VT" are likely scum at this point.

[Sinsun1]

@Sinsun, Explain this...

Senator who bloody shot the miller killing a hider

Easy. I've been at the line of believing he hid behind Saint this entire time and still do. So if I am right, Senator killed two town, whether he meant to or not he shot one of which we all believed (including the hider) that he was indeed town miller. I am of the belief that Senator, being as arrogant as he was resulted in TWO heavily town read people because of his straight forward arrogance.

@Thor, yeah, I pasted the list without colour coding anything but I did put 3 of my current town reads directly below it. Right now, due to actions that have been going on, I am in the belief that Riabi, RIP and Suzune are all town with a slight town read now on you do partially because of what Sala has said before he died.

Right now, my scumdar seems to be having the heebie jeebies so I don't fully trust it right now, but top 3 candidates I currently have are CDB, Narn and ArcAngel. CDB is the heaviest currently with Narn being 50/50 on and ArcAngel I am under the guess of being plain mafioso that does not care for her role and using V/LA as an excuse to not post and therefore not draw suspicion.

[Sinsun1]

@ 2605 (Displaced). Not going to quote that and attempt to properly break apart the text to answer it but will answer in point form.

- Doesn't matter if there was discussion on it or not. When a miller is town read as in the town does not plan on lynching him, we do not make a random shot on him. I believe scum failed to kill N2 because it would make sense for a hider to hide behind a Miller N1 when there is not much to go on.

- It just makes logical sense that's what happened. I'm on CDB's ass now because of his gameplay currently and how others react around him. I didn't want to lynch him because I thought he was really town, but others easily could have other motivations for keeping him alive (such as scum mates)

- 7 scum is a possibility if 5-6 of them are at least just normal mafiaso with no night powers. Rule of thumb for balance is that the scum ratio is usually 1:4 or 1:3 unless some crazy mechanic/roles are in place, that is usually the perfect balance number. That being said, with the amount of VT's and weaker roles popping up. 1:4 (so 5-6 mafia) would make more sense as we don't have many PRs to actually find them. I am beginning to wonder if we even have any good PRs. RIP's claim is messed up. A conditional tracker that needs to wait until the end of Day 4 to be able to use his ability? That's sounding more and more like a scum claim trying to stall people. But we don't have any tracker counter claims so it's a harder claim to fight. End of Day 4 means that he has to survive potentially 4 lynches and 4 night kills just to DO anything. By then we're down to a very low number of players. The fact Sala died over him seems odd as well.

- Suzune basically said that scum can't kill people on other wagons without drawing attention to the person the wagon was on. Which would point towards those two wagons now both possibly being on scum. Which makes sense they do not want to draw attention to themselves.

- It's a guess on why Sala died out of everyone. Hell they could have even killed me, but they chose someone who posted very little, so there must be a reason and that's me scraping for a reason there.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: CDB
VOTE: ArcAngel

It's the 28th of June, she does get 2 FULL game phases to V/LA. I bet she's really just scum lurking.

[Sinsun1]

She said she'd be back on the 22nd and she is now out of V/LA mode, so to ignore her now is to let scum slip under the radar completely.

[Sinsun1]

No. AA does not need to be replaced. She has been back for 6 days and not a word. Mod has not auto-replaced her already and there's a reason for that. She probably is active in a baddie chat just not here.

[Sinsun1]

She's active enough to post a mod message in a game she's modding Titus. So if she was townie, she'd be active enough here too trying to scum hunt to make up for the phase she already missed and this would be the 2nd full phase in a row. You tell me your thoughts on that slot if people have been replaced within the same day phase they go missing, but her slot stays filled after a full week of being back and not a word from her.

[Sinsun1]

Sinsun's been aggressively wrong the whole game. Why are you reading him as Town?

Gut, mostly. He also scopes things out (almost as if he's s-s-scumhunting!) and doesn't appear to be on a team, and he doesn't seem to me to be acting for the sake of only himself. Not playing for a team, not playing for himself, I think he's town.

I could just be remembering things wrong but right now I'd like to see your alignment. Which, imo, is likely to turn up scum.

I'll have to agree he doesn't seem to be playing for a team, but if that's the case then he has to be playing for himself, no?

When he says team, he means I am not WITH someone like a scum team would be. I do not know anyone's alignment and others do not know mine. Nor am I playing for my own benefit, I am trying to figure things out.

Which is why I find it amusing when people are so sure about one person or another. Other's are calling people 100% town. How can any of them be so certain? The only roles in the game that can be certain of someone's alignment is a cop or mafia. The rest are just reads and opinions.

UNVOTE: AA Since the mod did say he is replacing her, fine. But that slot better have a hell of a lot to say when it is replaced.

Now going over my list of scum, LG is actually making a logical analysis of me. I may be biased here, but I believe her analysis of me comes from a town perspective trying to townread other townies in a game where we know we're getting closer to mafia controlling the majority of "scum hunting" or lack thereof in this game. We are plagued by inactives and arrogance. I'm glad to see Senator gone, because he hindered town.

The closest thing we could get to finding mafia is if a town roleblocker outed who he/she blocked N1. I believe that blocked target was the kill carrier for the mafia.

But until the blocker decides to out that information, we only got our gut. There should also be a cop out there hopefully who by now has 3 people they know are town. Hell, if I was right about there being a cult there could be a 3rd party faction with 4 people in it at this moment not counting the full mafia team still alive.

Leaning town on LG, Suzune, Thor and Riabi. Which gives me 4 people to somewhat work with even if one of them is tunneling the shit out of a single person and not looking at a broader picture.

The scum team, I'm leaning CDB, RIP, Kling and not really sure who else. Pere I can't get anything solid on, but I am leaning scum there.

[Sinsun1]

That's talking about ongoing games? Merely saying she posted in a thread? Discussion about ongoing games seems to have a pretty broad term here.

Anyway, VOTE: RIP. I've been running the scenario in my head constantly. His role essentially does not come into play until baddies almost outnumber town. Now I remember a role I use to be, there was myself and another that were a unique role known as a Kill-Switch. We were not on a time and we did not know who each other were. Our win-con was to survive until Day 5 with the other one dying and then we'd kill everyone in the game and win. I made it to Day 4 and almost made it to Day 5 with lynching the other Kill-Switch. However, a town role that was super OP (he could "gift" anyone any role possible) gifted us the "lover" role and had a vig shoot the other guy effectively killing me at the same time. Which to be honest, thinking back on it was complete BS considering I did well to make it as far as I did with making things up only to be cut down by a guy who could give anyone any role in the game with no limitations.

So anyway, my point is, I made things up to survive until the day I needed to survive until. RIP's lying slips and the fact he claimed what sounds more of a useless role than a useful one is what has me on edge about his claim. He says he can only track after Day 4 ends, so he has 3 nights he could do nothing? Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the lack of power roles in this game for town, it makes no sense to make what few we would have have a forced time limit on when they can use it. I mean 1-2 days, fine. But 4 whole days of not being able to use it? No, I do not buy it.

[Sinsun1]

Can scum straight-up shoot a Hider?

I would assume so..

no, that is. Not how a boxer works. A hider cannot be targeted by anything directly it hits the person they are hiding behind. The only way to kill a hider is to kill the person they are hiding behind. Therefore even if the hider hid behind scum they would not die unless the scum died.

Hider is a weak role and dies if he hides behind scum but you are right they are untargetable so either CBD is scum or scum shot Saint.

Scum could have also shot Max which would have been ineffective due to him hiding. But at this point there's not enough cards on the table to conclude exactly what went on. That being said, I believe CDB is scum either way and RIP's claim is so far out there that I believe him scum as well.

[Sinsun1]

VOTE: CDB

I might be at ends with a few people here, but Kling has a point. Every time I second guess myself on CDB I keep trying to see him as town for some unknown reason. But we are trusting the wrong people. So perhaps we should start trusting those we least trust to trust the right people. If that makes any sense.

[Sinsun1]

I lied about something alright.
Not one but the illusion is almost over. I need one more day. Game is over.

UNVOTE: CDB
VOTE: RIP

As far as I am concerned, that's a hard scum-claim. Anyone not voting RIP by deadline is up on tomorrow's chopping block. No excuses. You don't hard claim like this as scum unless you're sure majority of active players are scum and the lynch wouldn't go through.

So I am stating it now, if your next post isn't a vote RIP post, you're tomorrow's lynch target as you are confirming you're on a team with him.

[Sinsun1]

RIP's reaction is just fueling the knowledge that he is indeed scum. His reactions are not town-ish. It's the reaction of a desperate scum who now realises his scum mates are forced to vote him lest they be outed as scum themselves.

- His claim is bad, what game or reason has anyone been in where a town PR cannot act for 3 nights in a row. Especially in a game where there are obviously very few town PRs.
- His post as I and Narn have quoted just reeks of scum acting cocky at the lack of chance town had with the lack of participation from people.
- His reaction to being called out seems like a desperate scum push to live on.

RIP, you've been called out on it. Unless a miracle happens for you, you've been caught red handed and any buddies voting for you now cannot unvote, for when you flip scum, any unvotes to switch the wagon off of you will immediately draw heat to them. They can do nothing to save you this time because you've outed yourself and they must now enter a self preservation act to keep from being on the block tomorrow.

[Sinsun1]

Scum could easily hammer this if he were town. So Narn, I'm going to say he's "Conf Scum" at this point. XD No point in hiding the fact he's been caught.

[Sinsun1]

Then we have Nero, who seems so full into his tunnel of RIP, that is has been going on for days. Seriously many game days. Which is honestly kind of strange. When you chase someone so hard for so long you begin to lose sight of everything.

Then we have Suzune. Who's gotten very active in the past 24 hours and made this comment about Nero who has been giving reads on other people. Meanwhile completely ignoring Thor's tunneling of CDB.

I just got home from graveyard shift and after reading these past 3 pages... Suzune just lost all town credit.

Narn, you can hammer whenever. It's time to lynch a scum for once this game.

[Sinsun1]

At this point, the ONLY chance RIP is town is if ALL the scum are voting him which I find hard to believe. So therefore I believe him to be scum 100% at this point, not a single doubt in my mind about that. We've been back and forth on him for a while, but he's run out of luck this time.

I would not be surprised if Suzune is scum now after recent events. Plus process of elimination. There will be some scum on RIP to bus him now that he's played terribly. That, I have no doubt.

Today we lynch RIP, tomorrow CDB and from there hopefully we have more concrete reads on those protecting the two.

[Sinsun1]

In the town pile we have sinsun, rip, Thor, CDB
In the scum pile is Nero, littlegunball, Kling, and Titus

Now I am interested in these reads. Your 4 "scum" are all on RIP. Two town are up for lynches today, Thor is tunneling so not hard to see him as town and the read on me. Why do you town read me when you scum read others on RIP? I ask because Saint, LQ, HI and probably Max all town read me. So why are YOU putting me in your town read list?

Nero and Thor are jumping up on my town reads and you're staying at null still. I've yet to figure you out but I will.

Anyway, RIP is replacing out (thank fuck, to be honest he was turning into LQ and Senator in how they were on their lynches. Accusing everyone of being the devil and basically driving people to the point of annoyance). That being said.

UNVOTE: RIP
VOTE: CDB

Thor has a very good point. CDB's wagon is the one that is being avoided. With all scum alive, there's a reason it's being avoided. I do scum read him and can look at RIP's slot tomorrow once we can get Thor's mind cleared of his tunneling and focused on others. But today, we should get CDB out of the way just because he seems to be the one too many people are putting off.

[Sinsun1]

Well we should have one scum gone by tonight. With another gone at tomorrow's lynch.

[Sinsun1]

I am p board. Why are you town reading me now?

Rage earlier against RIP = genuine townie rage. I know, because that's how I felt towards LQ.

[Sinsun1]

Roughly 13 hours until deadline. Hammer now.

[Sinsun1]

Before the topic locks. I will say this. Tonight a scum dies.

[Sinsun1]

RIP, did he visit someone and if so, who? Stop wasting people's time.

Once RIP claims, we really need investigative roles to out what they know so we can piece this together. CDB flipping town was just a slap in the face.

[Sinsun1]

Okay.. So RIP proved to not be that bright for quoting the mod. We still have the other elephant in the room. There is NO way RIP is our only investigative role when he had to wait 4 days to use it.. if he was then I'm quitting this site at end game if that's what they call "balance" here. A game this size, there as to be a cop of some form out there who has confirmed town and maybe 1-2 mafia pinged for us. At this point, 4 investigations are better than dying before outting them. This is not even role fishing because we have to be pretty damn close to LYLO now and we need as much of the puzzle being put together as possible..

VOTE: Ika You got 2 days of inactivity to make up for.. so start talking.

[Sinsun1]

My vote is sticking on Ika for a while. Ika has 2 day phases from their predecessor to make up for.

[Sinsun1]

Vote Count 1.12 - Up to post 1233

LicketyQuickety

[12] - Narninian,

ChannelDelibird

,

Sinsun1

,

HostileIntent

,

Saint

, Titus, KlingonCelt, Zabing12, PeaceBringer, davesaz,

LicketyQuickety

,

Senator

[Lynch!]

zabing12[4] - Little Gumball,

Jamierus

, Nero Cain,

RIP

,
millar13[1] - Marcrell
Nero Cain[1] - PerigrineV
Not Voting(3): Millar13,

The Archmage Ludicrous

,

MaxwellPuckett

Vote Count 3.14 - Up to post 2506

Senator

(8) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus,

Sinsun1

,

Salamence20

, Nero Cain,

ChannelDelibird

, Narninian

[L-1]

Narninian(4) -

Suzune

,

Senator

,

RIP

, davesez

ChannelDelibird

(3) - displaced, PerigrineV,

Thor665

Not Voting(2) - ArcAngel9, The Fox[/left]

Vote Count 4.08- Up to post 2995

ChannelDelibird

[7]:

Thor665

, displaced, Narninian, PeregrineV,

RIP

, KlingonCelt,

Sinsun1

[L-1]

RIP

[5]: Riabi, davesaz, Titus, LittleGumball, NeroCain
NeroCain(1):

Suzane

Not Voting(2):

Channel Delibird

, ArcAngel9

Green = Confirmed dead town.
Blue = Whom I suspect to be town atm.
Yellow = Me.

People who have been on all lynches: Myself, Narnian, KlingonCelt
Thor, Pere and Displaced have all been on CDB since D3.

Now I am going to say two things here. I wish to prove me role before we get later into the game and the D3 votes are interesting, 1 dead town and 2 I believe to be town at this point due to claims were on Narn, so I am thinking Narn is indeed scum. Only FEW people have really talked about him, which may line others up as being his scum buddy. Either way, today I am going to be the final vote to prove something.

[Sinsun1]

Why is this game full of so many inactives? AA was not here for the FULL 2 day phases she replaced in for. Ika thinks about 4-5 posts at the beginning of the day agreeing with people is enough to get their head off the block. Why is no one else besides Titus now pressuring Ika to talk. We need information and that slot we have no information on for almost 3 full day phases now.

[Sinsun1]

Well, Ika needs to be pressured into speaking because if his slot just SCREAMS scummarining.

[Sinsun1]

I'm happy with my vote on Ika.

[Sinsun1]

UNVOTE: Ika

Someone can vote him to put him back to L-1 when we're ready to lynch (but at least 24 hours before the deadline). I'm just going to prove something.

[Sinsun1]

Yep, it's an amazing power alright. So amazing that it will instant clear me. XD

[Sinsun1]

Mhmm, I am thinking he's scum. Only scum wouldn't wish for me to clear myself by a simple vote. If so, his self vote pretty much proves my alignment if he is to flip scum like I suspect.

[Sinsun1]

Ha, mafia hammered himself! Dumbass. Anyway I'll keep my power secret until I get the chance to use it again. He screwed me out of using it and also Narn better have left crumbs. I said yesterday we're going to need cop results. I suspect looking at who he was protective of if any and who he was dead set on lynching may give us a few hints. Did he not have a list of people he WILL NOT lynch? I believe he did.

Anyway, we know FOR SURE there's a doctor out there, which will hopefully be able to save someone by the end of the game that wasn't the result of lightning rod. I will be making another post shortly, just this one is my quick notes and laughter at scum self-hammering.

[Sinsun1]

Alrighty then, busy busy day. Anyway, Suzune has yet to make that post she said was coming. But the game state is becoming much more clear. I love people and their reactions.

First off, the voting yesterday.

Voting Ika: Titus, Riabi, Psyche, KlingonCelt, davesz, LittleGumball, St.Aug The Hermit.
Not voting Ika: Nero Cain, Thor, Suzune, PeregrineV, Sinsun (which I wanted to hammer, but didn't get the chance).

Now, there are scum for sure both voting for and not voting for Ika.

Suzune is basically cleared by lightning rod and cop saying she is confirmed. Cop didn't want to kill Thor so that leaves Pere and Nero in the not voting for Ika pile (excluding myself).

Then we have 7 people voting for Ika, Psyche the cop was adamant about not lynching. That leaves the other 6.

Ika was useless to the scum team and it was obvious I was hard tunneling that slot since the beginning of the day, the scum team would have known the jig was up for him, so I can see a lot of people willing to bus him.

Out of the 2 lines, I believe there are 4 scum left, 3 in the voting for Ika and 1 in the not voting for Ika.

With Pere's massclaim push, I am leaning his slot as town, so that leaves Nero up for the not voting Ika.

As for voting Ika, Titus has been giving me hardcore scum vibes today and Narn seemed to be questioning Riabi as Riabi was heavily suspecting two people he knew/thought was town.

Anyway, I'm feeling more and more confident about Titus being scum, a lot of dead town have been suspecting her. Narn's vote on Riabi and then him being night killed also places more pressure on him. With Nero only being scum read due to process of elimination.

So I am going to try to hammer Titus today, but for now my "vote" is on her without actually being there. With a suspicion of Riabi and slight suspicion of Nero behind her.

As far as I am concerned, anyone even thinking Suzune is scum at this point is grasping at straws, which is another reason I believe Titus is scum. We only need 7 people to kill Titus today. We don't even need mafia to bus her, but I think when it becomes obvious she's a gonner, they will.

So since we need 7 people, I am hoping Suzune, Thor, Psyche and Pere can agree with me on scum reading Titus since they are the 4 that are town in my books or are leaning town. Counting me, that makes 5. So if we can get 2 other townies out there that I can't hard town read or confirm right now, then we can lynch another scum today.

Also, I am for a massclaim, but tomorrow. Titus is scum, so let's give doc another night of anonimity.

[Sinsun1]

Didn't see it, but for today, I am hard reading Titus as scum and that's who I am dead set on lynching. Too many dead town have also scum read her.

Also just for the records if I were to take a gamble and have to guess ALL remaining scum in the game RIGHT NOW.

(In order of scumminess/preference)

1.) Titus
2.) Riabi
3.) Nero Cain
4.) Klingoncelt

[Sinsun1]

@PerV, how many of your confirmed town were on the ika wagon? Oh right, maybe some of those are wrong. You're pushing on me extensively, when I should be the mostobvtown by play. I corralled the town into a scumlynch yesterday. By no means am I conftown, but I have to wonder just what kind of agenda you have.

Really? You're going to say you are the one that got Ika lynched? I'm the one that's been saying it out loud that the AA/Ika spot needs to do a lot of talking to make up for the 2 days of nothing from that slot. When nothing was produced, I voted and started to rally people to it through my case on that slot.

[Sinsun1]

Why because she can "confirm something" if she hammers? Why do you think she's confirmed town? Role confirmation has NOTHING to do with alignment.

I am male thanks.



Also the quotes of mine before the one you quoted.

Note that your first post to vote Ika was post 3286. This is my posts on that slot before your posts were made. (I even talked about the AA slot the day before as well about this fact).

Okay.. So RIP proved to not be that bright for quoting the mod. We still have the other elephant in the room. There is NO way RIP is our only investigative role when he had to wait 4 days to use it.. if he was then I'm quitting this site at end game if that's what they call "balance" here. A game this size, there as to be a cop of some form out there who has confirmed town and maybe 1-2 mafia pinged for us. At this point, 4 investigations are better than dying before outting them. This is not even role fishing because we have to be pretty damn close to LYLO now and we need as much of the puzzle being put together as possible..

VOTE: Ika You got 2 days of inactivity to make up for.. so start talking.

My vote is sticking on Ika for a while. Ika has 2 day phases from their predecessor to make up for.

Why is this game full of so many inactives? AA was not here for the FULL 2 day phases she replaced in for. Ika thinks about 4-5 posts at the beginning of the day agreeing with people is enough to get their head off the block. Why is no one else besides Titus now pressuring Ika to talk. We need information and that slot we have no information on for almost 3 full day phases now.

Well, Ika needs to be pressured into speaking because if his slot just SCREAMS scummarining.

Anyway, looks like I found scum #2. You didn't even try to buddy me, instead you attack me which is a big mistake when remaining town players see me as town. Dead town see me as town and so do alive town. Roles do prove alignment depending on which role because there are certain roles only mafia would have and certain roles only town would have. My role is one such role as it'd be stupid for mafia to ever have it. I'll prove it with the lynch on you today.

[Sinsun1]

He did no pushing, instead

talking about the hammer

.

Talking about hammering Ika specifically.

[Sinsun1]

@Titus, please. Keep talking. You're digging your own grave and giving us good hints at us being right. You're caught. So please, show us who your scum buddies are and get them to vote for us. I'd really like this game to be easy and right now not even your mates are willing to out themselves for you.

[Sinsun1]

They did, eventually, after a day+ and with no clear connection to your vote.
Except maybe Riabli. I'd hand you that one.

Bingo. Only person who has a connection is also scummy. We are killing 2 birds with 1 stone here.

[Sinsun1]

We can say.

There are 6 town targets as we speak. There are 4 scum targets, who wont shoot themselves. There are 2 unknown, which I am thinking we can clear 1-2. Meaning all the scum will be caught.

So, walk me through

YOUR

math about how massclaim will give scum so many more options.

I don't have any "math" because "math" requires dealing with known numbers, and that's the issue, we don't have any known numbers. Sure, I acknowledge that you claim to have known numbers, but that doesn't really help any of the rest of us.

Caught in a lie. That or stupidity. Math is about solving unknown numbers, hence this entire section of math called Algebra that deals with variables and branches off to much more complicated math to solve for unknown numbers.

[Sinsun1]

Daves definitely sees what's going on as he made a quick mention of it. Suzune is cleared. Any town out there that I don't have as 100% clear, right now Suzune is town, Narn CONFIRMED her as town when she claimed lightning rod. He was town cop, hence result.

The only people in this game trying to cause doubt are scum. Riabi and Titus are doing a horrible job. If they just laid low and let us fight each other they might of gotten away with their goal. But now they've drawn a line around them that everyone can see.

Also Kling just moved to spot number 3 on my list of preferred lynches. I am still questioning his alignment yet when I suspect him, he jumps on me as scum... SMH. I've seen too many bad town plays this game that resulted in bad mislynches. So Kling, there are at least 4 more scum alive. So if you REALLY believe I am scum (which no one else does. Titus, who is scum knowing I am town does not count) then there are THREE more you need to find. So until those 3 are found and dead, consider us a joint OP in finding and eliminating them. Right now I am pretty damn sure on Riabi and Titus being 2 of the 4 remaining scum. That leaves 2 left and yes, I do suspect you Kling out of process of elimination. We have certain players here who are cleared and when you eliminate them from the list, not many players remain.

To explain. Going with Titus and Riabi being scum. Psyche, Thor, Suzune and LG being town most likely with my heavily town read on Pere right now, that leaves me with:

Kling, Dave, Augustine and Nero. 2 of which if I am right about the rest of it are scum.

So tell me Kling, which 4 people do you believe to be scum? Let's find our mutual agreement which right now I am more leaning on Titus than anyone but Riabi I'd prefer as well.

[Sinsun1]

Also by my count Pere is at L-2. So we need to make sure no other townies vote him so any scum not voting him can quick-hammer.

[Sinsun1]

So Kling, Titus is pinging us both as scum. Let's get her. She's pinged by dead town as scum. Today all she is trying to do is cause doubt in people that are pretty much cleared. If we're all beginning to scum read her then we might as well go with intuition and lynch her. Do you see what I mean? ISO Titus and I together, watch where she begins to go against me. It's right at the point where I am declaring I am pretty damn sure that she is scum. Once I did that, she decides she wants me gone because I'm not fooled by her shit anymore.

[Sinsun1]

Titus, right now I am waiting to hammer you. You're being scum read by everyone because you're becoming so bloody obvious, so I'll get my chance again to prove my role. Unless you want to cop out like IKA and hammer yourself at L-1. I'd LMFAO then.

Anyway, let's go on a Sinsun and Titus ISO spree here. Starting at 2082.

Heavily buddies me D3:

UNVOTE: Kling
VOTE: RIP

Deadline IS approaching and RIP yet again shows up with shit all for town. At least Kling is active active, RIP is a sad excuse for "active" and that he didn't "kill" any scum yet. Yeah, bad choice of words there bud.

Titus, while I would not mind a Kling lynch, I think getting rid of RIP overrides Kling.

Sigh.

VOTE: Rip

Sinsun be my in thread mason?

Sinsun be my in thread mason?

We'll see if you can get more town cred first. Each day that goes on, views change as more pieces of the puzzle are put into place.

/sheeps Sinsun verbiage.

Like how many people don't see noob with overconfidence issues trying to force their will upon the game despite more experienced players telling them they're probs wrong?

Logical fallacy, you're implying experience makes someone town and right.

Nope I'm saying he's clearly wrong, and it doesn't take too much to see it leaking through.

And I am saying the guilty is nothing at all and you are wrong. CDB is town. He might actually be a lying doctor.

You stated experience plus telling wrong means you should trump Suns in. By that standard, I trump you.

*Mic drop* I will be here all night.

Back and forth over AA slot:

UNVOTE: CDB
VOTE: ArcAngel

It's the 28th of June, she does get 2 FULL game phases to V/LA. I bet she's really just scum lurking.

She said she'd be back on the 22nd and she is now out of V/LA mode, so to ignore her now is to let scum slip under the radar completely.

AA needs to be replaced. Extend the deadline please.

I still need an answer from PV.

No. AA does not need to be replaced. She has been back for 6 days and not a word. Mod has not auto-replaced her already and there's a reason for that. She probably is active in a baddie chat just not here.

Ugh, scumhunting by mod action feels wrong.

Can't scum hunt due to mod action hmm?

Titus, the reaction from RIP has to be town based on tone, doesn't it?

Suzune, you mentioned another power. Have you used it on previous nights?

I feel like town needs to focus more on ordinary scumhunting, but it's late night and a workday tomorrow.

Town based on Rip not being modkilled.

Then you can read for yourselves, but Titus gets on my case when I call her out on not leading the Ika wagon which if you check the spoiler above, I've been at that slot for a while now while Titus was defending it!

[Sinsun1]

I guess I did not use spoiler right? Everything is black almost e.e

[Sinsun1]

1.) Titus
2.) Riabi

3.) Nero Cain

4.) Klingoncelt

Why do you keep flip flopping on me?

What are your thoughts on PV?

I already said I town read PV. If you paid attention I had small logic as to why I have you on that list. But Titus and Riabi take priority right now and 2 days a lot can happen. Like Kling moving on past you in the list already.

Anyway, I wont fully claim, just name claim and see if people can figure out my role. I am

Vedek Winn

. Waiting on others to follow suit at least with the name claim if nothing else!

FP'd a few times (been strolling through websites so this took a while to type XD).

Anyway, Titus, you do not scare anyone. You're going to flip scum. Just like Ika did which I've proved you wrong about you starting that one.

I am off to work for 3 hours. Peace.

[Sinsun1]

PeregrineV

[5]:

NeroCain

,

Riabi

,

KlingonCelt

,

Titus

,

davesez

Titus

[2]:

PergrineV

,

LittleGumball

St Augustine the Hermit[1]:

Thor665

Not Voting[4]: St Augustine the Hermit,

Psyche

,

Suzune

,

Sinsun1

Red = Scum
Orange = Suspected scum (for now, right now Red take high priority)
Green = Town
Blue = Suspected town (for now)
Yellow = Me
White = Null

So, for us to lynch scum today, we need Psyche and Suzune's votes along with 2 others before I place down the hammer on his ass. If Thor would wisen up, we'd only need one more town out there to help hammer scum.

[Sinsun1]

Also for the record, both wagons proof that they are not both scum. So these wagons proves that if one flips scum, the other is 100% town. As the scum are obviously trying to counter wagon (which I believe is the wagon on PereV). The fact my 3rd and 4th scum reads on PereV does nothing to help my reads on them for any town cred.

[Sinsun1]

Right now, I think it might be better trying to deduce who is town than who is mafia for some of you. You now have:

PereV wagon: Nero, Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Daves
Titus wagon: PereV, Little Gumball, Suzune, (my promised hammer vote)

With knowledge that there is probably 4 scum most likely left alive and looking at both wagons, one is a wagon on scum and one is a wagon on town (scum's counter wagon). Which side do you get the most scum reads on?

For me, I am certain Titus and Riabi are scum and with my lean of scum on Klingon and Nero, that to me clears PereV as being scum's counter wagon target. I only have 1 town read on that wagon. Meanwhile on Titus I have Suzune who I am 100% certain is town with Little Gumball who the cop seemed to hint something at. PereV being townish today as well.

If you're town daves, I hope you can see Titus and Riabi for who they are. Hell I hope all remaining town see them for who they are. Scum are placing a huge gambit today with their wagon on PereV. Because if we get the Titus lynch, they will create a cleared townie by their actions.

Also, I hope the doctor realizes he's basically outed already. I have a suspicion of who he is. But here's how it stands.

Known town (not Doctor)
13. Sinsun1 - Hammer power
14. Psyche - Tracker
16. Thor665 - Named Townie
17. PeregrineV - Oracle
20. Suzune - Lightning rod

Scum
8. Riabi
12. Titus

That leaves 5 people. 2 of which are scum, so the scum team has it narrowed down to just 3 people as potential doctor.
1. Klingoncelt
3. davesaz
7.St Augustine the Hermit
18. Nero Cain
21. LittleGumball

If I am right about Nero and Kling, that means doctor is Dave, Hermit or LG. Anyone else claim doctor and I'm going to be immediately suspicious of them. The scum team might even have it narrowed down to 2 people if there's 5 scum left or have some sort of power (or just able to read slots XD).

So at this point, mass claim does not hurt us very much, but it would be better to do it tomorrow. For now, name claim would work just find for the unknowns.

[Sinsun1]

was riable the one who committed titus's harry potter "scumtell"

Titus believes I did some sort of "scumtell" from some game I had no part in. Hell, he keeps going on about Ika's meta of hammering himself. How am I suppose to know? This is my first game on the bloody site. I don't know if scum team communicates in PM or if they have their own separate forum. I've played on sites that do either or. Yet he expects me to know someone's meta my first game with them when they replace in half way through???

[Sinsun1]

Oh and you're outright doc hunting in the thread

Yes, I am. We have a doc and he's 100% clear if I know who they are, but at the same time I need to show him/her that if I can narrow it down, scum can narrow it down to 3 or less and be certain about it. I can't be certain. So i want to show them how close they are to being nailed by scum.

[Sinsun1]

was riable the one who committed titus's harry potter "scumtell"

Titus believes I did some sort of "scumtell" from some game I had no part in. Hell, he keeps going on about Ika's meta of hammering himself. How am I suppose to know? This is my first game on the bloody site. I don't know if scum team communicates in PM or if they have their own separate forum. I've played on sites that do either or. Yet he expects me to know someone's meta my first game with them when they replace in half way through???

You can stop the fakeness now. PTs are in role PMs and scum can talk at least overnight. Any player who isn't 100% new knows scum talk. Ika would have told any scumbuddy or his buddies would have mentioned it.

The scumtell is precisely because you made a case, did nothing to pursue it when ika became a wagon, and then took credit for ika's lynch.

Already proved you wrong, I said I was going to hammer Ika, I pointed out the slot long before you even took notice to it.

PTs? So then they use a separate topic instead of PMs? See, I didn't know that. I play on another site that does that, but until I played there I only knew about PM scum talks and usually it was only night time as well, so the first game I played where scum had day talk and we got to see the thread afterward, I was shocked that they could plan stuff throughout the day.

[Sinsun1]

I didn't meta Ika though. You keep going on about metas. I only meta people I know, I don't go look at games they've played.

[Sinsun1]

Kling, I am stating mere facts to show the doctor that if I can do that, scum already has him/her narrowed down. That's not hunting for the doc or role outing, that is presenting the information publicly available to us and that the scum team already has in their scum chat by now so that the doctor and the rest of remaining town can see how close he is to being outed already.

[Sinsun1]

Kling locked in as 3rd scum. Does the 4th scum want to be so obvious today? XD It's bad when the town can just call you guys out on this and you don't even see how we're seeing you so easily.

Kling, if I were scum and was hunting Doc, don't you think I'd be doing it in private with my scum mates instead of posting it in the forum publicly to give the TOWN a realistic view of what scum would know by now. They have only 3 unknowns, we have 7. Do the math.

[Sinsun1]

Daveaz and Titus should be more receptive of launching a massclaim if they were town. The massclaim is the most town thing Peregrine has tried to do so far, and it seems every time he brings it up, Titus jumps on him and adds pressure to his slot. That makes me want to go through with the massclaim even more. It just makes sense at this point, being D6 and all.

We need to hear from these other lurking dipshits about whether they want to massclaim or not.
P.S VOTE: Titus

Yeah, mod missed this post as well, it's Hermit's last vote. So we are up to 4 people voting Titus + myself with the hammer, only need 2 more town to vote Titus and we get another scum and closer to town victory.

[Sinsun1]

I'm just done arguing with you Titus, the town sees me as town and you as scum. In the end, only their opinions matter, you and your scum buddies are only against town's objective. So I'm not replying to you anymore. You're being lynched and that's that.

[Sinsun1]

Psyche. Imagine for a moment that our theory of 4 remaining scum is wrong and there is in fact 5. Now look at the number of players left, 12. If we mislynch today and they kill tonight and there is 5 left instead of 4, they win. So I do not see it impossible that they are placing their hard bets on trying to get a Pere lynch.

On top of that, Titus and Riabi's "scum hunting" comes down to accusing anyone against them as scum for basically no reason. Before today, Titus was buddy buddy with me and now that I am onto her, she is yelling wolf. Do you not think that behaviour is strange?

Not only that, but isntead of at least trying to think that the cop might have done something useful for us, she and Riabi are trying to place doubt in all of the cop's actions. Not even for a second thinking the cop got the right reads.

I'll be pissed if Titus is scum, because the bad play today points to it being a gambit to try to mislynch town. Perhaps they need 2 more mislynches, perhaps they only need 1. We will not know until the end game just how many scum there are.

Voting for Hermit is iffy. He is not showing any clear alignment where the current ongoing events is pointing towards Pere or Titus being scum. One of them is scum and one of them is town, that I believe we can all agree on is fact at this point. The question is, which one do you believe is that scum?

You claim we are tunneling on Titus, yet we are openly saying Riabi and Kling are most likely scum with her meanwhile we are getting our certainty from townreading others. That is not tunneling. Tunneling is what Thor did, the guy you are sheeping who caused a mis-lynch because he kept putting doubt in CDB which even then I begin to doubt CDB. But after seeing the results of Thor's tunneling, I am not okay with voting for someone he thinks is scum when none of us can get a hard read on Hermit, meanwhile we have a very firm read on Titus and Riabi as well as Kling seeming to be the third.

[Sinsun1]

I'll be pissed if Titus is scum.

^ not* scum. Missed the word when typing too fast. Head is spinning way faster than I can type. XD

[Sinsun1]

So now we're at 4 + me for hammer. Just need 2 more. Thor and someone else.

[Sinsun1]

Seeing as you're at L2 with my vote pending the next vote to hammer you Titus, it's time for you to full claim. Not like it matters because I know it will be completely made up, but might as well satisfy the unconvinced town of your role here.

Another thing that links Kling to you is she "suspects" you and I, yet when you're 1 vote away from being lynched, she will not do it.

Now you're even going on to say Psyche is mafia. You really are failing at gaining any town cred from the remaining town unconvinced of our case on you and Riabi.

The connection between you 3 is very clear, you only have one scum mate left in hiding, so he/she better hide well, because you 3 are gone over the next 3 days.

[Sinsun1]

You're at L1 Titus, once one more person votes. I am hammering. That is fact. If you want to prove yourself town, claim now or just admit to being caught.

[Sinsun1]

Like I said, you're at L1. You've now proven yourself scum to the majority of remaining town, only 1 more town needs convincing, so go ahead, keep refusing to claim. I'm hammering your ass the second someone puts you to the L1 vote count.

[Sinsun1]

Now the doc is narrowed down to two people for mafia and 2 people for me if I am right about the full mafia team. Also care to say if you blocked anyone who claimed to be blocked Hermit? Just to see if there is a mafia roleblocker in play as well.

Also Titus, there's too many people on you to call us all scum, doing so would make you look pitiful. There are 6 of us now on you. I'll amuse you, let's say 4 of the 6 are scum, that means 2 town still want you to claim or hang. But keep refusing to claim, it just makes scum hunting easier on us townie because they're soo obvious.

[Sinsun1]

Screw it, I'm not worried about using my hammer power today. Titus is too obvious for me to bother, that and the whole "L1, not claiming until L1" blah blah blah is pissing me off.

VOTE: TITUS

I hope someone just hammers your ass. You've been caught and refuse to even try to come up with some fake claim. I'm not taking my vote off to use my hammer power because you've already proven yourself to me as scum, so using it would not change my mind.

[Sinsun1]

You keep assuming my power is a sensor. It's something even better than that, but I am not wasting it on you. You've had your chance and you refused. So I am done trying to give you any more chances.

FP'd by Psyche. Put your vote back on him bud, I don't know nor care what the rest of the town is doing. We've found scum and I am not letting Titus out of this without claiming. She wants to claim at L1, put her back at L1.

FP'd by Titus and Hermit.

Alright Hermit, let's start off the stack of shit piling up here.

- Titus and Riabi are hard core buddying the push on PereV all day and trying to cause doubt in the cop's results.
- Kling scum reads both myself and Titus, yet when Titus is so close to being lynched who she supposedly scum reads, she will not vote Titus.
- Titus refuses to claim even as her lynch draws nearer, acting all high and mighty and trying to play her way out of the lynch without having to risk fake claiming the wrong role.
- There is a scum between PereV and Titus, that is fact, it is not wagons on two town. I town read PereV more and scum read Titus more.
- Titus is 360'ing on her reads ALL DAY LONG. Anyone voting her, MUST BE SCUM, then Psyche unvotes her MUST BE TOWN. Bull shit. You scum read someone or town read someone or not. You don't change your opinion based solely on them voting you or not. That's called OMGUS and it's what cornered mafia tend to do.

Seriously, I'm fed up with the amount of inactives we've had all game, I'm tired of replace ins not knowing what's going on so they sheep scum into lynching town, I'm tired of this game feeling like a broken clockwork cog that leaves a very bad impression of this site in my mouth with the lack of power roles we have compared to the roles the mafia supposedly have as according to Titus with "godfather" "tailor" and "roleblocker". Most of the roles we have are HINDERANCE to town. (Beloved Prince, Miller, etc). So yeah, I'm pissed off. We got scum yesterday, we have scum in our grasp today and it now has the chance of turning into a town lynch because town players can't see the state of the game right now. Scum are hardwalling up against town because they have something up their sleeve. They're being so obvious because they know what we don't. They know whether or not we're at MYLO. We do not know, we believe it's tomorrow, but it might not me. That little chance that it might not be and now town backing out from someone who's been obvious scum all day long is getting to me.

I'm going to bed. I'm not putting up with this tonight. I'm going out on a date tomorrow and probably staying the night, so don't expect a reply from me for about 48 hours right now. I'm taking a break from this shit fest before I blow up at how simple we as town have it right now yet can't convince the people we need to push through this scum lynch.

[Sinsun1]

I'm back, getting a shower soon, then heading out.

@Thor, she wont claim. She will never claim. Because she can't think up a good fake claim, right now the scum team are probably trying to figure one out for her to use.

@All. no. Everyone had their chance for me to use my power today and everyone keeps dragging their heels in the mud. My vote is locking in without hammering. It's obvious we aren't getting the town to let me use my hammer power anyway, they all are taking too long and Titus refuses to claim even when she was at L1. We have scum, there is no tunneling when we have scum by reading others' interactions and separating people into town, scum and lean town/scum piles.

You wanted me to use my hammer ability and prove myself. Well town has proved to be not very coordinated. We have results from the cop. Right now that is as Conf town as anyone will ever get in this game, get over it.

Also because no one else seems to be actually paying attention to facts given to us by the mod. The mafia had a motivator which allows them to "motivate" someone each night so they can use their power twice. So the mafia definitely has another PR. Taking from that information, a mafia godfather/tailor would make the mafia team over powered this game. As one of our investigative roles had to survive 4 days and nights to give us results.. and then of course Psyche fails to give us a good result (failed to even use his powoer) and then that leaves our cop as our only valid investigative source at the moment. Meaning the town is way too underpowered for there to ever be a godfather or tailor (which by the way, that is not even how a tailor works, a tailor changes the role someone appears as when they die. It'd be the opposite of whatever a framer is) hell, with a miller in play that makes the odds of a godfather and lawyer (that's what I was trying to think of) ever exist in this set-up. Or else the set-up would be unbalanced completely.

So with that summary, I can thus conclude any town reads Narn got, is 100% town, because otherwise I'm killing MonkeyMan after this game brutally.

Now then. Let's lynch Titus-scum who has been trying to cause doubt in the cop reads constantly (along with Riabi) when there is no possible way that this game can be balanced and have reads messed with, because the messed reads would have been the miller who is now dead.

[Sinsun1]

Now then. Let's lynch Titus-scum who has been trying to cause doubt in the cop reads constantly (along with Riabi) when there is no possible way that this game can be balanced and have reads messed with, because the messed reads would have been the miller who is now dead.

I won't speak for Titus, but I'm not actually trying to cast doubt on the cop reads. I'm just trying to suggest that we can't be 100% certain of them right now. I pointed out that you made a good case for why in your last post, and you seem to have ignored that. I agree that most of the players that people are calling "conftown" are PROBABLY town. I just want people to start using the words for what they mean.

I know we'd all like to have a few actual conf-town players in this game, it would make it easier to figure it out, but right now, we just don't.

Then Riabi, with the knowledge that Miller was probably one of the only roles besides roleblocker to be able to mess with cop in the game, making the cop's town reads more likely than not 100% town. Which means Suzune, Psyche, Thor and somewhat likely (Not sure if we had confirmation on it) LG as well were all checked by cop and the cop did not hint at any single one of them being scum. He was the one who confirmed Suzune first and he was adamant about Thor not being lynched.

So with that knowledge of those 4 being more than likely town right now, out of the remaining 8, there are more likely than not 4 scum (I am really hoping not 5, otherwise we're screwed at a single mislynch). So play along with my thought here. You'd have 7 people to look at, 3 of which are town and 4 of which are scum.

- Sinsun
- Kling
- Daves
- Hermit
- Titus
- PereV
- Nero

Now, assuming you are town and trying to actually scum hunt (which you already know what I think you are), try separating those 7 into a town, lean town, scum and lean scum piles. With knowledge of current wagons: Hermit, Titus and PereV there has to be at least 1 scum wagon here because 1 wagon will at least be a counter wagon. But either we have 2 scum wagons and 2 town wagons, the 3rd wagon is unsure.

I feel that the PereV/Titus wagons are town/scum whichever one is which and the Hermit wagon could be town or scum. Titus could very well have a role more important to scum than Hermit's role if that is the case, which if they're going to risk Hermit for Titus, what would that role be.

@Klingon, I know you're not fond of the idea of self-treestumping, but what I suggest is if we can get 2 scum lynches in a row right now (Today and tomorrow) that you activate tree stump. The reason being, is that by activating treestump, while your vote will not count, you can still comment and read people in the game and it would give us another clear, but for now, IF you are a real treestump, using your votes to catch these 2 in a row would be preferred.

Let's say the 2 scum are Hermit and Titus that we lynch in the next 2 days, if you activate treestump then, the list of unknowns are down to:
- Sinsun
- Riabi
- Daves
- PereV
- Nero
(As scum will probably be killing off the cop town reads, if not, then we have a smaller pool of suspects).
In that list of 5, it'd be 2 scum and 3 town, which means we just need to townread 2 people correctly and we can afford hopefully a single mislynch and catch the final 2 scum.

Though if Kling is treestump, I townred PereV and Daves already, so my suspects currently would be Riabi and Nero in that scenario.

I want to make this very clear though, if PereV or Titus dies in the next 2 days/nights, whatever the dead one flips, the other one WILL be the opposite faction. I will put all my eggs in one basket on that bet.

[Sinsun1]

Okay Titus, are you new to mafia or just intentionally acting like you have no clue how to read or what's going on?

I do not fully scum read Hermit, I am merely stating that it is a possibility if he is scum that that is the reason. Not that I myself believe 100% that he is like I currently 100% scum read you which is why I am not budging. Why take a chance on someone when I am certain on another? We only got maybe 1 mislynch left, I don't want to put it up to chance with 4 scum still alive.

Also no.. treestump = confirmed alignment once they treestump. Mafia can not have a treestump otherwise it'd be impossible for town to ever win due to there always being a mafia alive that is untouchable.

You even skipped the other one I said affects cop reads which our 2-shot vig decided to kill N1.

[Sinsun1]

Then the mod of that game does not know how roles work. Treestump = still alive in game without ability to affect of be affected by anyone. To have a mafia treestump technically makes the game unwinnable by town because the mafia treestump can NEVER die. Which means town would NEVER be able to eliminate the full mafia team. Which means the mod has to make an exception to the rules or it'd be a stand-still game.

It's like a godfather, there will never be a town godfather as that does not make sense. Or a serial killer, there will never be a mafia or town serial killer because that is not how that role works, it's a lone wolf role.

There are only few roles that =/= alignment, namely roleblocker is the highest among them, followed by very few others.

But if you want to go by your logic, then we will never be able to town read anyone because HEY they might be mafia because of logic that I am pulling out of my ass. In this game there are enough bad town roles and VTs and with the knowledge of mafia power roles compared to our very few town power roles, would mean we can pretty much confirm cop checks as town. If you can't do that, then you have no business telling me who I can town read or scum read for what reasons. You have not even tried scum hunting today, just calling people voting for you scum. The other thing you've done today is try to cause doubt in any shape or form that we have cleared townies. If you do not like that fact, it really does not matter. Anyone townreading you, I am suspicious of as not even bother reading all the posts that have gone on today. The best your slot could be is null, as you have not done anything that has helped us narrow down the scum pool, you've only tried to make it bigger which is a major scum motivation when they are near winning but are being backed up into a wall by a cop flip.

In fact, all that you have done today further reinforces the cleared town and my lean town pools because you have proven yourself to me as confirmed scum motivation.

My vote stays, people can call it tunneling, I just don't want to be on another mislynch if Hermit pops town. I want to be on the person I scum read the most with no flip flopping. Flip flopping is for those unsure or scum hoping to lynch town as quickly as possible to save a scum mate. I am dead set on you Titus. Call me whatever you want, I know you're scum. Others might not see it as clearly as I do, but you've had scum motivation all game.

In fact, I remember you buddying me in ALL of the mislynches before today. You've tried to make me see you as town, but by your own pushing for that, have pushed me in the opposite read of you. Even if town mislynches today and we end up losing, we're gonna go to end game knowing damn well I've caught you red handed.

[Sinsun1]

I think you've done the longest crybaby post ever, which is sad because I'm town here.

Please, do explain how you are even remotely town. I'd love to hear your excuses for not claiming and acting like you're not on the block.

[Sinsun1]

I think you've done the longest crybaby post ever, which is sad because I'm town here.

Please, do explain how you are even remotely town. I'd love to hear your excuses for not claiming and acting like you're not on the block.

More crying please. There's a saying appropriate for this occasion. Those who matter don't mind. Those who mind don't matter. Right now, that's how I feel about your request.

What's your thought on Hermit's alignment?

Ditto about your request as you've already missed my answer. Keep reading what you want to read, it's obvious you're skimming any points when you miss the answer to a question you ask later on.

[Sinsun1]

Screw it. Using my hammer power on him since the town is going that way anyway.

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: Hermit

Any last words Hermit?

Tomorrow we're lynching Titus.

[Sinsun1]

*Pissed off at the mod not reading my message before posting vote count*

Anyway, anyone who believed I had some super mega hammer role is obviously not paying attention. Day 1, when Saint outed as Miller, I came out and said that I was "weaker than a VT" thus a hinderance more than a power role.

But then I thought of something. If I am the hammer on someone, they will not die, but they will not know that until the mod posts the vote count. So I request the mod, since I was at work for 8 hours (yeah, I do graveyard shift boys and girls, it's hell on my sleep schedule) that he should not post vote count and give me the chance to react to Hermit's reaction. Then immediately after my vote, he places the vote count. So, it just went from a plan to read Hermit without actually hammering him, to being screwed over and pushed back to less useful than a bloody VT.

The one thing I could do with my bloody role and the mod completely ruined any chance of me doing it.

It would have worked too <.< but nooooo, just have to post the vote count immediately after my post with 0 chance for any reactions.

Anyway, staying on Titus, this was what I was going to do on Titus to confirm her as scum or town, but it was only one shot chance and now that I used it, I can't trick scum into outting themselves without risking actually hammering town.

[Sinsun1]

And I see Titus continues with his flinging doubt at every role. He's not even trying to scum hunt, just trying to make town question themselves to the point that they doubt themselves. Which is not a very townie thing to want to do.

[Sinsun1]

Also Sinsun, don't lie as town. It is bad policy ALL the time. If you weren't bullshitting us as scum, there is now a high chance you'll get mislynched as town. All because you decided to lie.

Really? When did I lie? I've stated Day 1 I was weaker than a VT to confirm that Saint probably also had a weaker than VT role. Then a plan came to mind to turn my role into a one-shot power role on hammer, which basically gives me the chance to see the reaction of someone after they believe they are about to be out of the game. So hence, I had a "power" role for hammering someone. It was a very good plan. Had Hermit been on to react to the vote before the vote count.

Well Titus, I tried to give ya a chance at being tested, but town dragged their heels and I tried testing it on another person instead because you keep going up on my scumdar. Like I have not seen a single post from you today to bring you down a bit. It's terrifying that I read you as town in the earlier days.

[Sinsun1]

Sinsun, you said you would be confirmed as town if you hammered, and now you are saying that you are a priest. If that's not lying, it is still being deceptive.

If I am not confirmed town in your eyes due to the fact I cannot hammer which would not be a very good scum role, then you're eating the stuff Titus is shoveling down your throat. That and if you've been paying attention, I have yet all game to push any kind of scum motivated read. I've been pissed off with a few people throughout the game and ended up lynching bad town players, but I've been looking for scum tells all along. Almost the entire game of players town read me and now with the fact that my role is now known, it just pushes my confirmation further up the ladder. Will I be 100% confirmed as to Titus' definition. No. But anyone with a brain and paying attention can see what faction I am pretty damn easily.

Also no Titus. Town would not waste all day investigating everyone when they believe they have scum 100%. By that logic, I should investigate Nero, Daves, and Kling as well as I am not sure about their alignment one way or another. Just because some people scum read Hermit does not mean I need to waste my time trying to develope a firm read on him. I am seeing what he posts, I'm just not making a big deal about him because I'm on someone I believe to be scum with no doubt in my mind.

Thor, you should vote Titus with me. I decided to trust you on the CDB wagon and it was wrong, so trust me on Titus. When she flips scum, it will show a lot of people for their true colours.

[Sinsun1]

@Thor- sounds good

Vote: CDB

I'm

motivated

to find

scum

, but the

doctor

has been doing a shit job, and I think the "

tracker

" is also

scum

, and if he doesn't get lynched, he'll probably be

roleblocked

anyway. It would be nice if I could just

tree stump

myself like that one game, (but I waited too long). Oh well.

Quoting the original so it's easier to see. Daves is the only one that really noticed your choice of words here, which is interesting.

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: Hermit

This claim either validates you and catches us most of the scum team or it's leading us down a very baaad path. Eithe way, I got faith in ya and hinting the Tree Stump part back on the day CDB was lynched (Day 4) 2 days ago, makes your push for mass claim actually very very valid. It outs scum without them realizing they are outting themselves when you know which roles are town and which are scum.

[Sinsun1]

Just going to line this new information up with existing claims and reads.

Scum:

Roleblocker - Hermit
Treestump - KlingonCelt
Tracker - ???
Motivator - Ika - (Dead)
Doctor - ???

Town:

Lightning Rod - Suzune
Priest - Sinsun
Named Townie - Thor
Conditional Tracker - Psyche
??? - LittleGumball

Unknown:

Daves
Riabi
Titus
Nero Cain

Provided PereV is 100% correct, the pool of unknowns is down to 4, 2 scum and 2 town. With Titus refusing to claim so heavily, I am still betting she is scum, but going to go with the confirmed scum for now. Might as well see if we can get Kling and Hermit to flip.

Does this list look wrong to you PereV?

[Sinsun1]

It seems a bit...powerful?

I'd have my doubts on the claim as well if he had claimed it just today, but hinting at that information 2 days ago seems almost impossible to make up. Because just like clock work, Ika flipped Motivator, Kling claimed Stump, Hermit claimed Roleblocker and that day we didn't know if we even had a doctor 100% yet.

So hinting at 4 roles that popped up in the game in claims long before they were claimed or shown to exist. That sort of thing hardens my town read on PereV. Obviously he asked the right questions, which I am guessing were "What roles are scum?" "What roles are town?" Or something along those lines. It doesn't tell you directly who is scum/town but tells you which roles to expect on both sides.

[Sinsun1]

Lawl, well at least our PRs are free to do all actions tonight. But me thinks this was a bus by Titus, so, why is Titus' role so important to scum that they let him bus their roleblocker.

Down to 3 scum tomorrow and will have 7 town heads piling together to eliminate each and every one of them.

[Sinsun1]

Titus, you are making it blantantly clear that you are not reading. I even posted a thing checking with PereV on what was scum. He said the tracker was scum, the CONDITIONAL tracker was town.

Also, RIP already told us the condition. Had to wait until N4 to use it.

Why are you playing dumb Titus? All information you just asked for is already available to us. It does not make you look any more town by pretending to have missed it or not viewed it as everyone can see it publicly.

So there were two wagons on scum yesterday. One on Hermit, the other between PereV and Titus. I'm tending to believe PereV after that hardcore clue he left days ago when CDB was still alive.

So to go with certainty. It's time to go to the next one on the list that will either make or break PereV's claim.

VOTE: KlingonCelt

If KlingonCelt is indeed mafia treestump, PereV will go further up as town Oracle. If we can get the mafia tracker or doctor the day after, hell that's an even bigger bonus.

We are down to 3 mafia and 7 town, 6 to lynch so mafia needs to trick 3 town to mislynch with them, which gives us a better advantage for now. Like I said, we'll go after Kling and if he treestumps then we'll have to hunt down another. But I think all alive town should be looking at testing PereV's claim again and going for the treestump. It can literally make or break PereV depending on the flip.

[Sinsun1]

@Mod

If a treestump were to treestump in your games, would you reveal their faction upon treestumping?

[Sinsun1]

@Mod

If a treestump were to treestump in your games, would you reveal their faction upon treestumping?

I don't discuss unconfirmed roles.

It is theoretically if you were to have a treestump in a game if that is how you mod by revealing the faction as well.

[Sinsun1]

Klingon, my vote is based on PereV's claim. Accept it or not. But it either clears PereV or incriminates him. Under normal games that I play and how many games I've modded and helped balance, I gotta say, just by reactions here alone I can tell people aren't use to balanced games and this game is proof to me that games here aren't necessarily balanced or make sense. So I am going back to beginnings. What information we have and what information we don't. I'm throwing all my past experience out the window right now because it's obvious it does not compute with this site's style of playing. So that leaves me with assessing the claims we have and going off what I think is the right course of action to catch scum.

By voting me, you do nothing to clear yourself. You either need to prove PereV is lying and making it up or that you really are town in some other form. But by lynching you, what I take from it is no matter what you pop, we get 100% mafia today or tomorrow. Because if PereV is lying, we lynch him, if he isn't, then we got you.

Going after me only results in a mislynch with no 100% info gained from it.

By deducting that reasoning, I can tell you are on your last limb as you cannot see the logic as a townie would. So that concludes to myself that you are indeed scum and that this isn't a 50/50 like it would be if you thought of this reasoning first. So accuse me with what you will Kling, your lynch is most likely resulting in flipping scum, then if nothing else results in finding PereV as scum and clearing Titus if that is the case. But if you flip mafia, that means PereV is town, making Titus 100% mafia as well.

[Sinsun1]

Okay, I was about to go watch a movie, had it set up and everything on Netflix, grabbing my bowl of Fruit Loops and pouring the milk in it while thinking this over. Then I thought of something to destroy Mafia's counter-logic this game.

You see, PereV has effectively backed everyone up into a wall. Town needs to vote confirmed mafia first.

Now PereV can be one of two factions. Town or Mafia. If he's Town, then we know what roles are which faction and have quite a few clears in the game right now. If he's Mafia, he can either be bussing team mates for town credit or giving us completely false info. If he is bussing mafia and giving us real results though, he backs himself into a wall because he wont be able to vote off any cleared townies by him.

Anyway, now lets go to Kling's vote, which I feel incriminates him for the unsure. Because of who he votes. Now I can be town whether or not PereV is town or mafia. However, if PereV is town, I am 100% town. Meaning if Kling really believes I am mafia he must first vote off PereV because unless PereV is mafia, I have no way in being mafia.

Think about that for a moment. We now have a claimant who has "cleared" multiple people. But unless he flips mafia, then everyone he cleared is REALLY cleared. Now, instead of a suspected mafia voting for the one who clears me, he votes for me. Which leads to the result of lynching a possible cleared without seeing what the clearer flips. Meaning they can cause doubt and a mislynch in the clearer later on. However, attempting to vote me off now means that the player does not have town's best interest in mind, because they are aiming for the most likely townie out of two people.

I believe even PereV can state, that unless he's mafia, there is no possible way that I, Suzune or Thor are mafia.

Now onto the other track of mind I had. What if PereV IS bussing for town credit. I mean it wouldn't be hard.

1. Klingoncelt - Lynch today, flips scum.
3. davesaz
8. Riabi - Mislynched the 2 days from now, flips anything but town doctor.
12. Titus - Lynched tomorrow, flips scum doc/tracker to fit PereV's claim.
13. Sinsun1 - Killed 2 nights from tonight. 3rd cleared by PereV townie gone.
16. Thor665 - Killed tomorrow night, 2nd cleared by PereV townie gone.
17. PeregrineV
18. Nero Cain
20. Suzune - Killed tonight, 1 cleared by PereV townie gone.
21. LittleGumball

That would leave:
Daves
PereV
Nero
Gumball

for final 4. In this scenario, if PereV were mafia bussing his partners, he'd only need to mislynch Daves or Nero. Now chew on that one for thought.

Anyway, I don't believe that is the case, but it's just a possibility that popped in my head.

I remain adamant that by aiming for me and not checking PereV first, Klingon has effectively incriminated herself as mafia. As logical town would aim for the person clearing the other first.

[Sinsun1]

Keep digging your hole Titus. You've been far gone off being town read for a long time now. What I have stated makes complete sense and you again ignore the fact PereV specifically said Conditional tracker and Tracker, meaning both are different.

Yes, I was not scum reading Hermit before PereV made his full answer claim, but before that, how could I? It's easy to bus your partner there Titus when you know what he was anyway. For me, I do not have certainty on some random. You expect me to 180 my reads on you, Kling and Riabi due to one person flipping scum that I did not 100% believe was scum? I stated yesterday there was the possibility that there were 2 wagons on scum, 1 between you and PereV and Hermit either be a 2nd town or scum wagon. For me, there was no sure way he was scum but in my mind you were scum and still are scum. You've done nothing to improve that stance with me. But for now I am going after Kling since PereV has outed him as scum. If he is town, that means PereV was lying, if he isn't that's one more scum down.

The fact you don't see and push that as well Titus just further shows your awful attempt to mislynch me. I hope I get to add to your wiki some day "Titus is bad at mislynching town as scum" because you're going after one of the more obvious town players this game. PereV knows I'm town, Suzune knows I'm town, heck even Thor who is stubborn as ever knows I am town. Many dead townies knew I was town and yet you and Kling, two of the current scummiest players "scum read" me. No, you see, that holds little weight when you're scum Titus. All I need is town to know who I am, scum already knew who I am and their attempt to cause doubt in me will just backfire.

Also I believe Thor's interpretation, due to PereV knowing I was Priest. That and knowing Psyche was the town tracker, with a mafia one still out there.

[Sinsun1]

Sinsun, you are tunneling, too much. To the point where you are either scum or a totally blind townie because you are no longer thinking, both of which are destructive to the town.

Do explain what tunneling means to you. To me, it is someone who will not look at others. I have stated my current views and cases on others.

1. Klingoncelt - Currently voting for to prove or disprove PereV's claim.
3. davesaz - Currently town read him, based off of deduction of reads on others. Also his interactions with Titus lately seems like they aren't quite on the same team if either of them are scum.
8. Riabi - Currently scum read, but he's on the lower priority list with Kling to test PereV's claim and Titus in the lead.
12. Titus - Highest one on my scum list, only being put aside to test PereV's claims.
16. Thor665 - Town, based on PereV's claims and cop reads.
17. PeregrineV - Town, based on personal opinion and trust.
18. Nero Cain - Town, based on deduction of others. Always possible to be scum, but for now that would be the lowest scum read I have.
20. Suzune - Town, based on PereV's claims and cop reads.
21. LittleGumball - Town, based on cop reads.

So please, do tell me how I am tunneling. I am thinking clearly on others. Hell, I'm not even voting Titus right now because I am thinking objectively for the town. Meanwhile both Kling and Titus are voting me. How is that objective in any form? You do not tell Titus he is tunneling me nor Kling.

Also the list I made about deaths was giving a scenario if PereV were to be mafia playing us into a trap. The night deaths could be any order, just that we'd be the ones picked off at night because he's the one who cleared us.

Also, if you have an issue with Pere's claim (and the scum it helped lynch...y'know, besides you leading it ...what do you see as his cum plan in that buss? Just to save himself over a non-limited roleblocker? What's his role then?

This question is what I wonder about Titus. Bussing a doomed motivator (who gives mafia 2 uses of powers at night) and bussing a roleblocker. Tracker and Doctor can't be all that important can they? Is it role based, or just knowing certain people are doomed already to be lynched?

Fastposted by Titus and Thor. Oh Thor, I love you man. At this point they can't even touch you because PereV and I wont falter our read on you. They can't touch you, Gumball or Suzune because PereV and I wont budge on our reads on them. So they are aiming at us. Not sure why Titus is trying to buddy PereV and say "he may be town". It's like no dude. If you scum read me, you have to scum read PereV because if PereV knows which roles belong to each faction, it effectively makes me town if he's town with the POSSIBILITY that I'm scum if he's scum. There's no way around that and Titus is now stooped into a hole that he can't get out of. If he manages to trick enough town into a mislynch today, I will be amazed.

Also, I note that they chose to kill Psyche. I wonder why they chose him? Why not Thor or Suzune? Psyche was a lot less cleared than either of them, yet they chose the guy who forgot to bloody track the night before. Mind you, I've been surprised by the people scum have chosen to kill all game long. Picking random people I've neither fully town read or scum read. It's quite the stupid tactic on their part.

P.S Titus, I'm a guy, I posted a picture of myself earlier. I am male. I have a penis. I do not have breasts or a 2nd hole below the waistline.

[Sinsun1]

@Suinsin, PereV never voted Hermit despite "knowing" the roleblocker was scum, and now you're giving him credit for bussing Hermit, unless I am misunderstanding your pronouns there. The other interpretation is that you're doubting me as scum, but I don't see that interpretation jiving with the rest of your post.

I don't have to scumread PerV if I scumread you unless PerV's answer follows Thor's interpretation. If it follows mine, PerV can be town while you are scum.

I don't even believe that he is scum TO bus Hermit. I believe YOU bussed Hermit and you even tried to take credit for the wagon when a lot of it was due to Thor and at the very end, PereV's claim. You had almost nothing to do with Hermit's wagon besides questioning why I didn't hardcore scum read him. So don't take credit for wagons you did not start or finish. You were just another vote in the machine and there were obviously scum on the wagon so that they can claim town cred for being on the wagon, such as yourself.

That makes zero sense. PereV has stated he KNEW my role when I claimed to have a hammer power. So that means Thor's interpretation is correct. Heck, I am surprised you're still trying to mislynch me Titus. I tried to use my power first on you and then on Hermit to get one of you to admit to being scum or proving me wrong before mod places vote count showing the town and player on the lynch that they are not dead. It was to turn my useless role into a power role that could trick someone who believed themselves were about to die.

But I don't know why I keep trying to fight logic with you as your objective is to mislynch town. Maybe I am clinging onto that small shred of thought that you might be town, but every chance you get, you keep proving that thought wrong.

I also find it funny you harp on me calling you she and get frustrated about it, yet mistake my gender. It's also by my avatar which is a woman for the record.

Shh, mine's a typo, my "s" key is broken.. <.<... >.>...

[Sinsun1]

~Smirks~ Titus, you just walked yourself into a trap.

You said that if PereV is scum, he could have set up the fake claims, but are unwilling to vote Kling RIGHT NOW. PereV knew there was a treestump before Kling claimed. So if PereV set the crumb up for the fake claims, you are saying Kling is scum and thus should be voting her.

But instead you're continuing with your tunnel on me. I am at least going objectively about this to catch sure scum, yet you aren't. If PereV is town, Kling is scum, if PereV is scum, Kling is scum. Why?

Case 1: PereV town.
PereV knows treestump is mafia, Kling is treestump.

Case 2: PereV is scum.
PereV set up a crumb of mafia roles to gain town credit, Kling claimed that mafia role and is thus a bussed scum.

Both cases result in Kling being scum. So please, do explain why you aren't voting Kling right now.

[Sinsun1]

Another thing I have thought of. PereV outright called the doctor to be mafia sided. There are only 4 people that the doctor can be at this point, even less once reads are placed and reactions read. No one seems to go after PereV directly. That means that the doctor is mafia. Because if they weren't, they'd know PereV was 100% scum and thus should be pushing for his lynch with no exceptions.

To me, this is proof further of PereV's towniness and claim as well as a further reason Kling should hang today (even though he'll tree stump, it'll take him out of the picture at least).

Think about that for a moment. The doctor can only be Titus, Daves, Nero or Riabi. Titus and Daves have already only questioned, PereV, neither have went for this head, so that leaves Nero and Riabi if the doctor were town. So, one of you up for claiming "town" doctor and going for a PereV lynch, or are you fine with my logic that has thus proven PereV to be telling the truth.

Still waiting an answer from Titus on my case for Kling's chance of being scum (which is 100% now).

[Sinsun1]

Also, if the doctor were town, they would have been on the conditional tracker last night, because that was our last investigative role. The roleblocker is dead, so they can't claim to be roleblocked.

[Sinsun1]

@Sinsun, Unless you coordinated with Thor, I find it highly unlikely that you were involved in any sort of trap.

Second, I have already explained that lynching PV nets us scum or a bunch of information and a scum to lynch the following day.

Third, a doctor could have picked Suinsun or Thor.

I have been voting PV or Sinsun whichever is larger.

Fourth, if PV is scum, outright tunnelling PV = doctor claim = scum can then pick off the rest of the town.

First, it is not coordination needed, just observation to the reactions you've used.

Second, Thor has asked you, why not check the treestump first? Which in both cases right now the treestump is 100% mafia.

Third, why the hell would the doctor do that? A person who can't hammer and a named townie. Basically I am weaker than a VT and he is a VT that is named. Meanwhile we had a conditional TRACKER alive. Go on, explain why a doctor would be on me or Thor... I'm very interested to know how stupid doctors are here that makes you think that would even be remotely logical.

Fourth, at this point if PV is scum, it's better to catch him now than bullshit around the fact. The doctor obviously is not bright if they are town in selecting who to save when they let our last investigative role die. So by not outing right now if the doctor is indeed town, they are effectively throwing the game to scum.

You're trying so hard as scum, it's funny to watch. This is my first game with you and I can see right through your BAD logic. Hopefully people who have played with you before can as well, otherwise I will question the talent of scum hunting from this site. Where I come from, I usually nail the whole scum team peg for peg at about this stage because I'm decent at solving the puzzle. Unfortunately the lack of investigative roles makes it harder to piece everything together. I got enough pieces though, that I am down to just 3 unknowns.

[Sinsun1]

Why do we want to tell you a lot? The town needs to focus on 100% scum, not mislynches. Why do you not want to lynch Kling right now and then look at PereV's claim tomorrow pending Kling's flip? Is it that you want to preserve a scum buddy another day?

Trying to look town, but not go after a 100% scum is a clear sign that you are indeed scum Titus. We need 6 people to lynch Kling. So far we have myself, PereV and currently Thor and Daves is looking at Kling as well. All we need is Suzune and one more. Then we have scum treestump gone.

Now stop avoiding the question Titus. WHY are you unwilling to lynch mafia treestump right now over someone you want "info" from his flip. At this point we have enough "info" from flips, we need to flip scum each day, not risk mislynches just so you have more "info".

[Sinsun1]

Also, you completely ignored the facts about the doctor. If the doctor were town, they would be on conditional tracker. Why do you think they'd be on Thor or I? You are refusing to answer very important questions right now Titus.

[Sinsun1]

Sorry Gumball XD forgot you were in the game. Then we need Daves, Thor and Suzune. Then we got scum.

Literally, right now town has control of this game. Between PereV, me, Gumball, Thor, Suzune and Daves, we can control the lynches to fall on the scum even as we get picked off at night. So as long as we can keep our trust in each other and see facts for what they are, we're going to avenge all the fallen town and win this game for the town!

[Sinsun1]

So Daves is now on board, Titus still doesn't see that Thor is letting him dig himself deeper into the hole he's made for himself already, once Thor and PereV place their votes, we literally just need Suzune for scum Kling lynch.

I wont even bother debating with Titus further, Thor is already picking him apart and it's hilarious for me to watch it when Titus doesn't realize what's going on. He's being backed further and further into a corner that he can not escape without admitting to his faulty logic today.

Anyway, Daves, do you see what I've been getting at this whole time when you look at the back and forth between Titus and Thor. Notice she tries to threaten Thor with scumreading him at one point. XD Thor can do as he pleases, we have 4 town plus you most likely who will not even touch him.

Actually I lied, I will address Titus once more, but with my question about the doc again.

@Titus, why would the doc be on me or Thor? How does that make any logical sense from a town perspective when we had a known town PR alive?

Anyway, I am off to work in 90 mins. Kling will probably treestump before his lynch, but oh well, his vote will be out of the game leaving 2 scum left. I like how this is drawing to an end and they're still clinging onto hope of besting us.

I also note that Riabi and Nero have been both pretty quiet today. It's interesting because if I am right about Titus being scum which I am pretty certain about, then one of them is town and one of them is mafia. Yet they're both dead silent today.

[Sinsun1]

Cool story, bro. Still not getting PereV lynch today. Today it's Kling, there's no way around it. We're getting sure scum today.

[Sinsun1]

Keep going on and on Titus, PereV ain't being lynched today. You got yourself, Kling and one other scum mate out there who might be stupid enough to vote PereV today with both of you.

Meanwhile we got PereV, myself, Daves, Gumball and soon to be Thor and Suzune when she gets back that are going to eliminate your scum buddy today.

[Sinsun1]

Also Titus once again.

WHY WOULD THE DOC BE ON THOR OR I LAST NIGHT? Stop avoiding the question. I mean seriously, stop avoiding this question. I will repeat it multiple times so you do not miss it.

Titus, why would the doctor be on me or Thor if they were town?

TITUS, why would the doctor be on me or Thor if they were town?

TITUS, WHY would the doctor be on me or Thor if they were town?

TITUS, WHY would the DOCTOR be on me or Thor if they were TOWN?

Now answer the bloody question.

[Sinsun1]

Anyway:

TREE STUMP

gawd I hate doing this.

So Kling, will the mod reveal your faction upon tree-stumping? If so, it will either prove or disprove PereV, which could blow the entire thing out of the water. My guess though is if the mod does show your faction, it will be scum. Because do explain how PereV knew there was a treestump in the game before you even claimed it if you are town.

Anyway, now that Kling has treestumped. I will hold my vote pending the outcome of this. But I believe it to be one scum vote gone from the game.

Actually just in case.. I need to ask the mod clarification.

@Mod, since Kling is treestump (which we've known for all of today), the question is. If the treestump is mafia, would the treestump "technically" being in the game affect town's numbers needed before lylo? Example: If there is 1 treestump mafia and 1 normal mafia along with 2 town left alive, will the mafia win or will the game continue?

[Sinsun1]

Suzune, really think about what you just quoted and what you said right before that. PereV hinted at there being a scum treestump in the game TWO GAME DAYS before Kling claimed. So I am interested to hear how he would have known Kling was a treestump if PereV is scum and Kling is town?

Another thing is, Titus' logic about the doctor makes no sense. Suzune, if you were the doctor. Who would you have logically saved last night? If I were the doctor, I wouldn't have even hesitated to save our tracker.

So PereV has 2 for 2 roles before they even become public information. He knew there was a treestump in this game and he knew there was a doctor in this game (who was scum). The results of last night point towards the doctor being scum aligned. Titus keeps going on about PereV being a good fake claim to bus. Well, what if PereV is right. The doctor, who should usually be town sided would be the ultimate townie looking role, yet ending up being scum.

As far as I see it, let's say PereV IS bussing his team mates. Well there is at least one other scum out there, so we should find that scum before deciding to fall into Titus' paranoia of PereV being a bussing scum.

Suzune. Will you please make a full list of people you believe with almost no doubt they are town, town leans and scum reads please? The logic to me here is so simple but I think perhaps there are reads we have different that are messing it up.

[Sinsun1]

But how does that make sense? PereV has already shared his information, so effectively he is just another townie with a vote. A tracker could still acquire us information on scum. Because right now if what PereV is saying is true, we have NO townies left that can move anywhere, so tracking someone going somewhere would be auto-scum. But very convenient that the doctor just decides townies who can't go anywhere are more important than an active investigative role. I don't buy the doctor being town one bit at this point.

No, PereV hinted at there being a treestump that is scum back before CDB was lynch Kling claimed only yesterday which made PereV redirect our attention to the hint he placed earlier in the game. I even went back and quoted it because that's how old the hint was and it wasn't edited or anything.

As I said before, for me, doctor not being on our final investigative role.. yeah, I just wont be able to buy a town doctor claim at that. I mean listen to what Titus said.. a doctor on Thor or me... Why specifically did she say either of us? There are only 2 people left the doctor could be if it is town and I don't think Riabi or Nero are it even though they are the last chances of there being one.

The other unanswered question, is if the doctor is town, why are they letting the day drag out like this if they know 100% PereV is lying about it. Too many things are adding up to the doctor being indeed mafia aligned.

Alright, no problem, I am playing Skyrim for my 6th time through it. Redgaurds are fun to play as. So take your time.

[Sinsun1]

Whelp, that also means there's at least ONE more mafia out there as well. So Titus and Suzune, who is that other scum if PereV is scum? No point in risking a mislynch if we can't bag the both the scum if we're wrong.

VOTE: Titus

I'm not accepting any other lynch today. I feel strongly about this and I want 4 scum in a row. No point in breaking our scum lynch streak now.

@Suzune, I will vote PereV tomorrow if you help me with Titus today and I am wrong about Titus, but I can promise you, I am not. We have myself, Gumball and PereV ready to flip Titus now and PereV even said he'd lynch himself if he were wrong, I'll even add in that I'll lynch myself after lynching him if we're both wrong. We just need yours and Thor's vote for flip Titus and then we can focus on the final scum.

PereV, Gumball and I pushed Kling into treestumping and effectively giving us another available mislynch as town. (Seriously.. what the hell was Kling thinking? If she'd have just let herself be lynched, we'd still be at 1 mislynch from MYLO, but instead she gave us another chance at a mislynch).

So since we pushed that scum into treestumping and giving us this extra mislynch, then please just help us flip a 4th scum, then we can focus on the 5th and final scum as a full team against a single entity.

[Sinsun1]

Nero, read my last post after the Kling flip. I'm dead set on Titus. I really don't see how the remaining town cannot be. She has been negative towards cleared town and she definitely can't take credit for flipping Kling for everyone to see. I was set on flipping Kling the second Perev confirmed her scum and now I am set on Titus now that she is shown to everyone as scum. So, either you agree with me and pile on your vote to get 4th scum in a row or you don't. At this point I'm done with "gathering info" like Titus wanted from the PereV lynch, we just got all kinds of info with Kling flipping scum.

There is no point in further debate. The wagons yesterday before Hermit were PereV and Titus, one was a wagon on town and the other on scum. So the question is, which of those two do you think is scum? Even if we mislynch today, we get the other tomorrow. But I strongly feel that if we lynch Titus today, we wont be hitting a townie.

FP'd by Titus and Gumball.

So you want PereV to out the final town PR role? Titus, unless you are a town doctor that can call PereV out right now or are that PR it doesn't matter. If you flip town, PereV will be scum based on the wagons yesterday. Accept this as truth. If I am wrong about you, PereV will hang. But if I am not, we don't waste a mislynch on someone who nabbed us 2 scum and further confirmed people as town and outed that the doctor is mafia.

[Sinsun1]

Do you think I care if you trust me Titus? My job isn't to convince scum that I am right, because they already know I am. I need to convince town, so you're out of the picture of this conversation anyway.

[Sinsun1]

Suzune, again. There is scum between PereV and Titus. If I am wrong, I will help lynch PereV. If I am wrong that will show clearly that PereV is the one yesterday that was the wagon on scum. But if I am not wrong, we save a spare mislynch for hunting for the last and final scum.

Sure it's odd, but Kling has been odd all game and I don't have any previous experience with her to know if she can think something like that out clearly.

Also Suzune, it disappoints me that the doctor has not counter claimed PV's claim of the doctor being scum if that were the case. But it hasn't happened so instead of being paranoid like Titus, I am thinking with the info at hand that has nabbed us more scum.

[Sinsun1]

Sin, if you think there is scum between PV and Titus (and there is) why do you care who gets lynched today?

The question is, why wont you indulge me on my hard read today? Do you believe there's a town doctor or a scum doctor? Until a town doctor steps forward, PereV has been accurate with us. So why not get rid of Titus today and be down to one scum going into tomorrow? Why put it off by mislynching someone?

[Sinsun1]

I find it funny that people are after me for not "lynching PereV first and if town lynch Titus after" No. You wanted to do that between Kling and PereV, then I ended up being right. Now you want to do it between Titus and PereV and I'm telling you right now Titus is scum.

Why do you want to lynch PereV first. I want everyone that is looking at PereV to answer that in their next psot. What is so important of lynching PereV first over Titus.

Suzune, you said it yourself, you'd have doc'd PereV last night if you were the town doctor. So if you would have done that, why are you even hesitating now to vote Titus out of PereV/Titus when obviously you somewhat town read PereV over Titus.

Nero, why do you want to lynch PereV first? What's the logic behind it? What has you so against sheeping my read and voting Titus first?

Where the hell is Riabi?

Anyway, 48 hours. In 48 hours, I'm just going to vote myself off if these questions aren't answered fully because it's obvious logic is going over any of your heads so it'll be best if I don't need to deal with it. We have scum in our grasp. It's that easy. Deal with it.

[Sinsun1]

If no one would claim Doctor, then that confirms Pere as town, yeah? Or scum bussing...3 scum?

In your own words. Come on Thor, just sheep me and we'll get PereV tomorrow if Titus really is town (which I doubt fully and throughly as you keep trying to reason with her and she doesn't see it, where if she is a good town player like people claim, she would).

[Sinsun1]

We only lynched ika due to my push (I know you disagree) and Constantine because he had an undeniable slip IMO.

Let's forget about the fact you refused to vote off Kling who's alignment was revealed upon being treestumped and better yet giving us an extra mislynch in which you had no part of helping with.

No matter whether I was the first or last one on all 3 scum wagons, I've played my part in helping net all 3 current scum flips. Can you say the same? Oh wait, you can't. Because you wanted to lynch PereV who netted us Kling because of your paranoia.

Not sure if the reason I can see you so clear as day is because I'm not bias about your alignment because of no past experience to base your play on, or if others really just can't see the obviousness here.

Also, seriously, with TWO scum left, you wouldn't trade a doctor who didn't save our tracker for confirmed scum making us go into a day where we we have 2 mislynches left to hunt a SINGLE scum. Of course you wouldn't though, because outting doc now meant flipping doc-scum.

P.S, you still can't take credit for the Ika flip. You did basically diddly squat before town had already started looking at that slot.

[Sinsun1]

Read 4459 again. I literally just claimed not doctor.

I've known that for a while darling. It's down to Riabi or Nero to claim it. Nero did not claim it yet but did vote PereV. That being said, to convince everyone else, he seems like the type that would. So unless Riabi comes back and claims town doctor, it will be safe to assume there isn't a TOWN doctor.

[Sinsun1]

No doctor would only be possible if the lightning rod is bulletproof, or no kills were submitted.

So yeah, vote Titus in your next post unless you can come up with a reason why not to. Her logic is faulty and laced with scum agenda.

[Sinsun1]

Bar Sinsun from talking about Titus for a dayphase so that we could actually see if she's scumhunting at all.

Or you know, actually read my read list and my WIFOMy theories to see my scum hunting. I haven't only talked about you, but it is 100% true I want you dead today. Suzune can be as paranoid as you are and Thor can play along for now, but it isn't tunneling when I am constantly reading others and thinking of situations. It's just until your flip, none of the theories can be put into practice.

Let me explain it since you're not getting it in your head.

Between PereV and the dead cop Narn, we have Thor, Suzune and LG pretty much cleared. That leaves 7 people alive, 5 excluding myself and Kling who is treestumped. Which are: Titus, Riabi, Nero, PereV and Daves.

Now then, putting my opinion aside, my theory here is Daves and Titus are on opposite sides based on a tiny thing earlier in the day. PereV and Titus are on opposite sides based on yesterday's wagons before the whole Hermit thing. Now then. By flipping Titus, if Titus flips town, I'm immediately after PereV and possibly Daves. However, if Titus flips scum, in my mind that puts PereV and Daves more likely as town and leaves me to look at Nero and Riabi.

All of that is pending how you flip Titus. If you flip scum like I think you will, I will be hot on Nero and Riabi's asses till I find out which one of the two are scum. If you flip town, which I personally doubt, I am immediately lynching PereV tomorrow and then looking at Daves with the other two in mind but not as high on the radar if you were to flip town.

This is not tunneling, this is scum hunting. This is catching one scum either way and possibly a second scum soon after to win the town the game.

FP'd by Thor. @Thor... Do you not find it interesting Titus is placing so much weight to Kling's "reads" when we know she is scum and can just make random shit up?

[Sinsun1]

I'd rather sort out some thoughts between Riabi and Nero today than lynch Titus.

This is where I'm at, actually. There's a prod on one, and the other is probably in a pit a of despair he's going to lose.

Since Titus thinks they are both town but won't actually scumhunt them, I'd like everyone else's opinions on those two spots.

I think you should help me lynch Titus and if Titus flips scum, then we will either lynch Nero or Riabi, but currently there are 2 scum alive and Titus is the active scum we can get.

Also exactly Thor, Kling's thoughts/lists are useless. So why does Titus want Kling to post their lists for "WIFOM" reasons?

Still awaiting an answer of why not vote Titus now and flip her then look at the results. Why shouldn't we just get her garbage out of the way with now and then focus on Riabi and Nero tomorrow?

[Sinsun1]

Just sheep me and vote. Get this done and over with.

[Sinsun1]

So you agree, vote Titus. I'm now just going to do what you did with CDB, annoy everyone with this until we vote scum off because I have made my points, I know they're valid and I know I have scum.

Anyway, Riabi/Nero, going by that we can also see PereV voting Nero Day 1. So let's say Titus somehow magically flips town and PereV ends up being scum, that'd lead me to a townish read on Nero unless that was a bus as well all the way back on Day 1 voting or if Titus is scum it is possible all three scum voted LQ close together. Which would go down my original read yesterday on Riabi being scum.

We both town read Daves so it does come down to Nero/Riabi, but with 2 mislynches now available to us, we can sort that out easily.

[Sinsun1]

You know something.. while PV is still alive. I think we should have the final people out their role.

LittleGumball will be the last to out their role, but, Titus, Riabi and Nero. Claim. Now.

According to PV there are 2 VTs and 1 town PR left. Without PV outting that town PR, the two scum will be forced to claim VT, otherwise they'd be outted if they claim the wrong PR.

So. Claims. Now. If Titus refuses to claim, I want people actually piling on the votes. This is the best scum hunting method we have is a mass claim to out the scum.

[Sinsun1]

Like I said Thor, it's down to Riabi to claim town doctor or else the scum team will have confirmed that the doctor is indeed scum.

Either way, Titus is getting lynched today. No matter how you roll the dice, his flip sends us one direction or the other.

[Sinsun1]

Vote Count 6.02- Up to post 3811

PeregrineV[5]: NeroCain, Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, davesez
Titus[2]: PergrineV, LittleGumball
St Augustine the Hermit[1]: Thor665

Not Voting[4]: St Augustine the Hermit, Psyche, Suzune, Sinsun1

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends Sunday, August 9th, at 9 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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Vote Count 6.03- Up to post 3922

Titus[5]: PergrineV, LittleGumball, Suzune, Psyche, St Augustine the Hermit

[L-2]

PeregrineV[4]: NeroCain, Riabi,Titus, davesez

[L-3]

St Augustine the Hermit[1]: Thor665
Sinsun1[1]: KlingonCelt

Not Voting[1]: Sinsun1

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

Day ends Sunday, August 9th, at 9 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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2 vote counts taken from the day Hermit was lynched before he was on the board to be lynched. What you can notice is that there are 2 sides mostly here.

For the first vote count at least 2 scum were voting PereV. Kling and at least one other (if not a 3rd voting him as well). On Titus you had PereV, LG and my hammer vote being on the ready.

Then the second vote count one scum switched to vote me (Kling), still at least 1 scum on PereV's wagon and Hermit was voting Titus when she was nearly lynched (so could be bussing to be on a scum lynch). As we remember Hermit was on the Ika lynch as well.

A note also looking at vote counts on Ika and RIP is that Titus and Riabi voted both of them side by side.

Now then, my theory here is that if Titus flips scum, Riabi out of the Nero/Riabi unknowns will be mafia.

However, if Titus flips town, thus making PereV the wagon on scum yesterday, then we would have PereV for sure but it'll be harder to find the second scum.

A lot of this is pending on Titus flip, but lets say Titus flips town, making PereV scum, who would be the second mafia?

Also, anyone have any idea why Riabi would be taking so long to come back? If he has to be replaced, we should force the replacee to immediately claim or risk being auto-lynched. Because something tells me they wont be able to come up with a proper fake claim without rereading everything that went on.

[Sinsun1]

Suzune, you want there to be a trick. The trick is, if PereV did not ask the right questions.. a mafia doctor could have slipped by the entire game without us knowing. After Kling's flip, why are you so reluctant to just help test one more person that will either make or break your paranoia based on how she flips.

Vote Titus with me, get the flip, then we can see if your paranoia has any need to worry about. Sometimes, games come together for town and we get lucky. PereV could have died so many times between Day 1 and when he outed that information that we could have lost it all. Our tracker could have died before they got a useful track (which in this case, he did), our cop could die before catching any mafia (which he did) and the miller was in play to affect cop results.

There's about a hundred ways it could have gone that would have left us in a very bad position today. But through scum offing people who we weren't sure about, cop reads and this oracle claim, we're able to catch them.

Lets say your paranoia is true. The only way to find out is to take a leap of faith right now and get results from a lynch on Titus or PereV. I personally pick the least helpful and the scummiest of the two.

[Sinsun1]

Almost 24 hours and no replies. Either you're going to vote Titus or PereV today, come on guys, get with the program.

[Sinsun1]

^^ Can we lynch Sinsun? I fucking HATE her recent posting.

*Yawn* Not going to happen there deary. Pick a wagon that is viable today. Stop wasting space with something that will never happen.

[Sinsun1]

Titus, with knowledge that it WILL be you, Riabi or Nero today. Nobody else. Who would you want to lynch to help further town's goal? Which of the 3 do you think will net a scum flip?

[Sinsun1]

[quote="In post 4545, Titus"][/quote]

Thanks for confirming Riabi deary. We'll get all 5 scum in a row thanks to you done goofing it for your entire team.

[Sinsun1]

We are 7 days from deadline. Are you with me on this Thor and Suzune? I'd rather not have a last minute lynch here. What do you plan to accomplish by not placing your votes? We have possibly the final two scum, so lets nail one, right now. We got this.

[Sinsun1]

As for Pere - your case on him has changed repeatedly - he was the scum bussing a bit to oust a Doc, now he is scum who double bussed to get town cred. Yeah, your case there is not very impressive, and if you think it is then I don't think we're on the same page about what good scumhunting is.

Come on now, can't forget, his first case on PereV for wanting the mass claim, then he reads PereV as likely town while trying to make a case against myself and now he's back to trying to say we're both scum.

Anyway, since I scum read them both UNVOTE: Titus VOTE: Riabi. Tomorrow we follow my lead on Titus. No more ands ifs or buts from the rest of you lot.

Also Titus, no. Without PereV or I, Kling would have not tree stumped, thus leaving a living voting scum member alive. You did literally NOTHING for that wagon. In fact you tried to stop that wagon from happening. So get out of here with that shit about saying we're not scum hunting. Girl, you have yet to solo a single push. Every scum push that you have been on was also pushed by others who are more confirmed town than you are.

2 votes on Riabi, 3 more, PereV, LG and Suzune, come on peoples, let's get a flip.

[Sinsun1]

Also, Titus. Claim VT or PR. After you claim, we'll get Nero to claim one as well.

[Sinsun1]

Here's a thought out case though since no one seems to see it which relates to why I want Titus to claim and why I want people to vote her tomorrow with no more wasting time is that we can have a confirmed scum between the PereV/Titus thing easily. PereV claims there are 2 VTs and 1 PR left on town's side unclaimed.

So the remaining unknown: LG, Daves, Riabi, Nero and Titus all must claim a VT or PR role. We'll get the scummiest players to claim first and once we have more than 2 VT claims or 1 PR claim we know in that pool that there is indeed scum. At that point we get the players who claimed PR to out their PR role, then once they all out their PR role, PereV tells us which one is the last remaining town PR. Should anyone pop anything different from what PereV has said, we'll lynch him quickly. However it also narrows down scum pool when we have clears in each different pool.

We could also do it another way, have LG and Daves claim PR or VT and then the 3 scummiest players (Riabi, Nero and Titus) try to claim that final one of VT or PR. Again, once we have counter claims we know there's scum in that pool.

FP'd a few times. Because if you don't Titus, I am not going to let anyone do anything else tomorrow besides vote you unless they want a very very fussy townie. I am scum hunting but you are refusing to reveal information that will either prove you right and me wrong or condemn you as scum.

[Sinsun1]

ive explained my titus reads tons of times

You've explained that you think she's scum because you think I'm scum and we agree that people in the game should be careful about the words they use... Has she actually done anything scummy?

I'm just going to save this quote for Riabi's flip and my case on Titus tomorrow pending tonight's results.

[Sinsun1]

Well Suzune, you put off lynching Titus way too long. We'll get her tomorrow. Today it's Riabi. Have a problem with that? Blame yourself for not bothering to place a vote and actually push through with an idea instead of sitting there in paranoia all day long.

The fact you don't have Thor on top of town list in all those scenarios I do find interesting. Why is that?