Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

Titus · Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:41 pm

Suzune, mafia do have trackers here see the wiki.

Role blockers on this site do not use their powers in advance generally.
Lightning rods are immune to death on the night they trigger as site meta.

Titus · Sun Jul 12, 2015 9:42 pm

In post 3094, davesaz wrote:Titus, the reaction from RIP has to be town based on tone, doesn't it?

Suzune, you mentioned another power. Have you used it on previous nights?

I feel like town needs to focus more on ordinary scumhunting, but it's late night and a workday tomorrow.

Town based on Rip not being modkilled.

Titus · Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:27 am

Ika are you kidding me? Mr. Stalker of my games doesn't remember #rekt, where I was scum with Cephrir and AB?
wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Lightning_Rod

Scum lightning rods would be the turn it on variety.

Titus · Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:30 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=31262

This is the game for the record.

Titus · Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:16 am

This should be resolvable.

Mod: Assuming (without confirming) there is a town lightning rod, would it be kill immune by default? Same thing but scumlightning rod?

Titus · Mon Jul 13, 2015 10:39 am

In post 3116, Suzune wrote:I am uncertain, Why the answer matters to you Titus?

If your theory is accurate, then we can confirm your alignment by calling for a three stage popcorn massclaim. Stage 1: PR or VT, Stage 2: PRs role claim. Stage 3: Who they tried to visit and results.

If we have no protective role, then that's pretty clear that you are lying. If we do have a protective role claimed, it forces the scum kill or raises the spectre of a fake claim to protect you.

Second, did you claim role blocked the next night?

Titus · Mon Jul 13, 2015 11:40 am

Suzune, what about the night after?

Titus · Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:24 am

My god, a named townie is a useless PR. For instance, a lightsaber cop would be a named townie since DS9 doesn't use lightsabers.

Titus · Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:25 am

In post 3126, Suzune wrote:I received no word about the night after. So night six I have heard nothing about.

Titus I am getting a little tired of role skeptism in this game. If you dislike my claim, lynch me and let it come up as I claimed it.

You know that whole part where we are nearing lylo... I cannot just policy lynch you.

Titus · Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:21 am

In post 3146, Titus wrote:My god, a named townie is a useless PR. For instance, a lightsaber cop would be a named townie since DS9 doesn't use lightsabers.

Psyche....

Titus · Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:26 am

VOTE: Psyche

Thor's claim may well be shit but your sudden pressure on Thor and moving the goal posts looks fake as fuck.

Titus · Tue Jul 14, 2015 6:26 am

Yeah, how about not true Dave.

You think it's any coincidence that Thor and Nero have vague pushes on them after I suspect them? Pushes that have no legit basis. If I was an opportunist, I could make some statement about finally being believed for once. Yet even I realize when I am being pandered to.

Titus · Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:21 pm

In post 3224, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 2601, PeregrineV wrote:
Based on current conclusion, Titus is town.

Titus, I'm losing this feeling.

Please come in and dazzle me with brilliance or baffledazzle me with bullshit.

Your conclusion never had a foundation anyway.

Right now, I had two answers going into the night... Nero Cain and Thor. Those two get pushed up and no one asks me for a renewed case... suspicious

PR claims that change the rules on how I think things are done and conviently pushes my targets... red flag

Frankly, my biggest scumreads are still Nero and Thor, they haven't done anything to change that but the behavior of everyone else makes me think that I'm wrong. I'm kinda stuck confused so I've been chilling until this flu bug passes.

Titus · Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:41 am

Hey ika, you still here?

If I don't see a substantive post from you soon, I'm policying you.

Titus · Fri Jul 17, 2015 3:52 pm

VOTE: ika

Ika's dodging which is 100% his scum meta.

Titus · Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:01 am

On Monday, we are lynching ika if he produces nothing.

Titus · Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:25 pm

PV is a counter thought to ika.

Seriously, ika's scum. Ika hasn't been forced to play, so he's not posting.

Titus · Sun Jul 19, 2015 4:47 pm

Now why is Kling scum ika?

Titus · Sun Jul 19, 2015 5:05 pm

Titus · Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:08 am

@Klingon,

I have a shit fest with ika every game. I'd rather not repeat that yet again unless I have no other choice.

Titus · Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:47 pm

In post 3362, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Wow, I offered to replace in a long time ago, and I was just asked if I still wanted to replace and its day 5.

Okay guys, this is how its going to work. You are all going to update me on the current state of the game and who I should be voting for, and we'll proceed to have some sort of discussion on it.

Or you can not do that, in which case I'll be absolutely worthless to you all.

Hermit, if you're town, take a look at the vote counts. They generally tell the story. I'm hoping to get a scum flip so I can do a proper VCA in here, but if something sticks out there, you should inquire further.

Titus · Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:34 pm

Prod dodge.

Titus · Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:11 am

What is a mafia motivator?

Given Narnian was the cop, finding crumbs as to who he checked is the next best maneuver. I suck with those though.

I will be out most of the RL day. If no one has found Barn's crumbs by the time I get back, I will take a shot.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:28 am

OK, I am pretty sure Thor was a Narninian check. I do think Thor's a Godfather, but it would be disingenuous not to state that. Every time Barn talks about Thor, it's a weak reason, such as by role. He says anyone other than Thor would be a better lynch, which strongly suggests his other cop checks are dead.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:49 am

In post 1663, Narninian wrote:My current Reads Town -> Scum

I don't really have much solid to go on as far as catching scum, but do see some decent town effort.

Confirmed Town
Narninian

Town Lean
Thor665 --- By role really.

Slight Town Lean
Littlegumball - just a vibe I got from day 1 (hopefully she stops lurking today)
SinSun1
Titus
Simply Because I agree with their logic

Senator (not by his posts mind you, I find the altslips and calling everybody scum annoying, just how easy the wagon was to build)

---------------------

I haven't seen anything damning to call somebody scum yet, but will keep reading.

In post 3112, Narninian wrote:it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

In post 3173, Narninian wrote:we really shouldn't be spending time freaking out about thor's fairly obvious claim.

There are way better targets to pursue such as: Not-Thor.

At Day 3, you were his largest town read for a "weak" reason. Yesterday, he had you as solid town and that he'd frown upon lynching you. He also says anyone else would be a better person to lynch than you.

Yet, he doesn't really scumpush anyone voting you or pushing you. That suggests he would be scumreading you but for cop clear. Could I be wrong? Sure, I hate crumb hunting. That's what it looks like.

@Klingon, Asked and Answered. I lead the ika wagon to lynch.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:55 am

In post 3436, PeregrineV wrote:Ok, I now have the information to solve the game.

I think.

Thor is town.
Suzune is town.
Psyche is town.
I am town.
Based on yesterday's hammer desire by sinsun to show his power/clear him, he is town.

There are 3 other townies left.

There are 4 scum left.

I propose a massclaim, starting with the 7 unknowns.

Ewww...anyone who is scum with ika or extensively seen scum ika would know he'd self-hammer at L-1. The fact Suisin wanted hammer to "clear" herself is a null tell as scum, she'd know it to be totally illusory. I also think but do not know that ika's tendency to hammer at L minus 1 is established.

Second, a mass claim just helps scum know what they can and cannot claim. If we do a massclaim over my objections, we need to go PR and VT, then claim roles.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 3:57 am

Oh and scum would be doc hunting there too if they think there is one.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:12 am

In post 3445, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3441, Titus wrote:Oh and scum would be doc hunting there too if they think there is one.

they already know there is one since Suzune is not dead despite drawing the kill to herself.

Mod never confirmed that's how lightning rod worked for her...

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:23 am

And I drew that role as scum. No clarification was given or asked for. No doc flip. It was just told to me, as scum, by the mod that I would be immune to NKs.

Town wrote me off BC of role verification. So I am unwilling to do that here.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:24 am

In post 3449, PeregrineV wrote:Also, in the interest of partial disclosure, I'm claiming town neighborizor. I targeted Titus night1, and got no result. The way it was worded made it seem like she was not home.

This leads me to think she is town commuter, and was the strong reason for 2601.

Based on the fact she would be hard to kill directly is another reason I also think massclaim is a good idea.

I did not commute N1, or any other night.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:28 am

So if you're telling the truth, scum blocked you N1.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:34 am

It's N1, shot in the dark is always a reason. *shrug*

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:35 am

Did you neighborize anyone else?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:26 am

I like LG's frustration on feeling ignored. Is it possible that Barn checked Riabli?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 6:57 am

In post 3461, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3457, Titus wrote:Did you neighborize anyone else?

No, I took a shot in the dark day1, figuring it would help me either get a scumread on you, or we could scumhunt hard in the neighborhood together if I thought you were town. When it didn't happen, I figured you would be "unavailable" on future nights. Other players I thought might be worthwhile town targets I did not feel would live long, so I didn't bother.

So let me get this straight, you're claiming infinite shot neighborizer who never bothered to try with anyone but me?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:50 am

@Pere, Are you claiming you targeted me every single night? or that you were inactive?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:59 am

I'm telling you that isn't clear.

By saying you targeted no one else. That could mean you a) targeted me every night and failed or b) never targeted at all. I want that cleared up.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:07 am

In post 3478, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3476, Titus wrote:I'm telling you that isn't clear.

By saying you targeted no one else. That could mean you a) targeted me every night and failed or b) never targeted at all. I want that cleared up.

In post 3461, PeregrineV wrote:No, I took a shot in the dark day1, figuring it would help me either get a scumread on you, or we could scumhunt hard in the neighborhood together if I thought you were town.

Pretty clear.

When it didn't happen, I figured you would be "unavailable" on future nights.

If I figured that, why would I keep trying to target you?

Other players I thought might be worthwhile town targets I did not feel would live long, so I didn't bother.

Pretty clear that I did no other neighboring attempts.

So you're confirming then you targeted no one other than me with your neighborizer ability?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 10:24 am

PV, I have a huge problem with your four "confirmed town" theory and your wanting a massclaim. If you have four confirmed town and four scum in a pool, town should be at or near autowin, thus mass claim is not necessary. Yet, you're pushing mass claim hard.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:07 am

In post 3490, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3488, Titus wrote:PV, I have a huge problem with your four "confirmed town" theory and your wanting a massclaim. If you have four confirmed town and four scum in a pool, town should be at or near autowin, thus mass claim is not necessary. Yet, you're pushing mass claim hard.

I'd like to see your math how 8 town and 4 scum is a "near autowin".

We need 4 days of straight scumlynches. One slipup extends the game that much longer, 2 and we lose?

First, how are you confident this is 4 scum alive?

Second, the math doesn't support that.

4 conftown + 4 scum +4 unknown, that's what we're going w right?

Mislynch once, shoot conftown. 3 + 3 v 4

No lynch, scum shoot conftown, 3 v 2 v 4.

That's the worst case, provided you conftown is accurate. It's not but humoring you.

By that point, the pool for scum to mislynch will be near impossible. If the doctor remains hidden and only claims at L minus 2, even more so.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:43 pm

Where do you get Narn checked HI? I had Thor as one of his checks. Spoiler quotes please.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:49 pm

In post 3498, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Daveaz and Titus should be more receptive of launching a massclaim if they were town. The massclaim is the most town thing Peregrine has tried to do so far, and it seems every time he brings it up, Titus jumps on him and adds pressure to his slot. That makes me want to go through with the massclaim even more. It just makes sense at this point, being D6 and all.

We need to hear from these other lurking dipshits about whether they want to massclaim or not.
P.S VOTE: Titus

I'm rarely receptive to massclaim in closed setups. It works better as open setups. Also, we have zero completed games, while I admit my tactic is a little different after the Senator lynch, you arguing that is weird. If I disagree with Peregrine's mass claim, I will highlight that.

You initially said gut, and then you made another post with poor reasons. Not a fan of you either.

I like to get all the information and then determine who to vote for (unless that info is bad to obtain, like mass claim). Voting and then getting info is not usually helpful

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:51 pm

In post 3503, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
He's riding that tale too hard. Plus he wants a massclaim.

Yeah, so what? I don't see either as any indication that he is scum.

You don't see his claim as off?

Also, how hard someone pushes for something is a personality tell in 99 percent of circumstances.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:54 pm

@Klingon, That's possible. The post makes no sense as either alignment. Why talk about how the dead guy was scummy? Yet, who else do we see? Rumple...hey isn't that Thor?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:55 pm

In post 3509, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:@Titus - So you don't directly oppose the massclaim, but you are actively using it to justify a scum read on Peregrine. Kudos!

I am opposing the massclaim, directly.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:57 pm

In post 3511, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Titus, I have lots of experience in off claims. I find role speculation to be more of a third tier justification.

? So do I. I generally do setup cracking, which is why I find PV's claim hard to swallow but not impossible for certain.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:08 pm

In post 3516, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 3514, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I've said my piece. I don't think Peregrine is scum.

There are plenty of others here, and it is pretty obvious he is the one getting lynched today. If under any circumstance his theory is right though, then we can't mislynch tommorow.

Also, if Peregrine was scum at D6 and we've only lynched one other scum, wouldn't there be a lot more people defending him?

Not until the wagon starts loading up. Then they'd start a counterwagon.

Are you new?

He's completely new or an alt. He's claiming he's scumreading me based on me not doing my typical play. That's awkward as we have ZERO finished games.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:09 pm

In post 3514, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:I've said my piece. I don't think Peregrine is scum.

There are plenty of others here, and it is pretty obvious he is the one getting lynched today. If under any circumstance his theory is right though, then we can't mislynch tommorow.

Also, if Peregrine was scum at D6 and we've only lynched one other scum, wouldn't there be a lot more people defending him?

This implies we're mislynching today...

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:10 pm

Fuck it. I should be voting PV with all his garbage, but it's possible he's just dumb. I don't see any town player posting what Hermit has.

VOTE: Hermit

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:13 pm

I thought Hermit said I wasn't playing to my usual game. I went back to quote it and couldn't find it. :S

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:14 pm

In post 3523, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
This implies we're mislynching today...

No shit!

Nobody has more than a single vote. Why would you "know" we're mislynching?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:17 pm

In post 3526, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
In this particular case I'm worried it may benefit scum more than town.

The prospect of Peregrine pushing the role claim is why I am continuing to town read him. It just doesn't seem like something scum would do admist this much pressure, and I am still concerned that no one has risen to his defense.

I don't see any town player posting what Hermit has

Oh, so now you have confirmed who is town and not?

I'm the only confirmed town FMPOV. You should do the same.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:19 pm

In post 3527, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 3510, Titus wrote:@Klingon, That's possible. The post makes no sense as either alignment. Why talk about how the dead guy was scummy? Yet, who else do we see? Rumple...hey isn't that Thor?

I'm saying Narnian made a big post about wanting to vote HI, but he was already dead and flipped town. You're claiming it's a cop crumb. I'm saying that's possible, because I can't find any other reason to make that post. Then we see the Rumple talk in there and Rumple is Thor (I thought). So if Rumple = Thor, then Narn is telling us we're both right if that's a crumb.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:25 pm

In post 3531, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:@Titus I don't "know" if we are mislynching, nor did I say that. I said several times I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum. My current belief is that this is a mislynch.

Damn, I can never play this game right. Either I lurk and everyone wants to lynch me, or I contribute and try to be helpful, just to see it backfire.

There's no real wagon for you to form that belief though...

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:34 pm

Seeing what you linked in that post naturally wants me to follow up...

@Suisuin, what are your thoughts on game balance now?

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 1:35 pm

In post 3535, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Well I noticed like 5 players have already implied to be scum reading him, including you, daveaz, thor, nerocain, and klingoncelt. They don't all have votes on him, so it isn't a wagon, whatever.

Unless there's a cop guilty, don't try to prejudge the lynch. It's bad play as either alignment. It makes you look really awkward as if there's an orchestrated plan to lynch PV.

Unvote

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 2:03 pm

In post 3539, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 3529, Titus wrote:I'm the only confirmed town FMPOV. You should do the same.

So this is not an investigation crumb to you?

In post 3112, Narninian wrote:it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

No. It's not a crumb that he intended to investigate her. I don't trust the lightning rod claim. Is it probable paranoia? Yes. I don't trust their abilities though. I don't want to lynch Suzune today, but I don't want to trust them.

Given a setup with this much power, I'm not so certain that mafia don't have a tailor or the like as well. Somehow, if Suzune's claim is even remotely true (meaning lightning rod of either alignment), scum must have a way of playing follow the cop.

Second, if we knew the possibility of a beloved princess dying, why wouldn't Suzune redirect all actions to herself N1 and state "Gee, if we lynch the Princess, things might get wonky but in a good way."

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:34 pm

@LittleGumball, Because I have caused so much chaos with them as scum. Second, I disagree with who Narn investigated. Third, If she's scum lightning rod then scum can have a tailor.

We've seen zero feedback about scum roles. Maybe one roleblocker and a motivator? If Suzune is believed, mafia could be fucked merely by lynching the rb d1. That setup never passes review.

If there's a way someone can be scum, then I will not put them as conftown. Conftown is reserved for conftown.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:50 pm

You believe I'm coming off as scum, or that I'm scum?

Feedback is night results. A motivator tells us shit about how scum break follow the cop. As far as I am concerned, PV's role is the only night feedback we have about scum, and that supposes an honest PV.

If my doubt shakes your faith when I have no rock solid evidence, perhaps your faith is not warranted. I don't do groupthink.

Titus · Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:14 pm

Who are they and why?

Also, in what universe do I spearhead an ika lynch when we can't get our shit together as scum?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:06 am

@PerV, how many of your confirmed town were on the ika wagon? Oh right, maybe some of those are wrong. You're pushing on me extensively, when I should be the mostobvtown by play. I corralled the town into a scumlynch yesterday. By no means am I conftown, but I have to wonder just what kind of agenda you have.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:25 am

In post 3575, Sinsun1 wrote:
In post 3574, Titus wrote:@PerV, how many of your confirmed town were on the ika wagon? Oh right, maybe some of those are wrong. You're pushing on me extensively, when I should be the mostobvtown by play. I corralled the town into a scumlynch yesterday. By no means am I conftown, but I have to wonder just what kind of agenda you have.

Really? You're going to say you are the one that got Ika lynched? I'm the one that's been saying it out loud that the AA/Ika spot needs to do a lot of talking to make up for the 2 days of nothing from that slot. When nothing was produced, I voted and started to rally people to it through my case on that slot.

Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkabahn tell. You are 100% certainly scum.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:26 am

VOTE: Sinsun1

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:38 am

Spoiler: selected quotes that show Sinsuin didn't push ika during the wagon

The Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkabahn tell is basically taking a credit for a wagon you pushed earlier but had nothing to do with it's eventual success at the end. This is the exact same tactic scum Gammagooey pushed in Prisoner of Azkabahn, that's why I see it so obviously true here.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:39 am

Why because she can "confirm something" if she hammers? Why do you think she's confirmed town? Role confirmation has NOTHING to do with alignment.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:41 am

Can you reply to my question rather than just spamming about massclaim? Why is Suisin1 confirmed town to you?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:45 am

In post 3587, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3584, Titus wrote:Why because she can "confirm something" if she hammers? Why do you think she's confirmed town? Role confirmation has NOTHING to do with alignment.

A massclaim would probably answer all your questions.

It looks like its
4 for massclaim
4 against massclaim
1 undecided
1 for tomorrow

We need Suzune and Kligon to weigh in.

Don't think so. What part of role=/= alignment are you not understanding? You're a neighborizer who hasn't neighborized anyone, so don't act like you have secret information. If you think Suisin1 is confirmed town, you should be able to outline why.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:47 am

In post 3588, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3586, Titus wrote:Can you reply to my question rather than just spamming about massclaim? Why is Suisin1 confirmed town to you?

She claimed town lightning rod.

No. That's Suzune.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 6:50 am

In post 3594, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3591, Titus wrote:
In post 3588, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3586, Titus wrote:Can you reply to my question rather than just spamming about massclaim? Why is Suisin1 confirmed town to you?

She claimed town lightning rod.

No. That's Suzune.

Oh, sinsun1...he's town also.

Why?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:22 am

@Thor, yes. Look at the posts I quoted in the spoiler. They tell the story. After I voted ika, the votes piled on. Sinsun was trying to sell ika as a lurker lynch prior to the wagon forming. Yet during the time ika's wagon took off. He did no pushing, instead talking about the hammer.

I saw this same pattern in Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkabahn. Gammagooey pushed PV really hard day 1, let didn't push PV the next day. After PV is lynched, Gamma says it was his case that lynched PV.

Same pattern, new players.

@Sinsun, I apologize for mistaking your gender.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:34 am

Yes. Your point?

@All, I like Perv/Suisin as scum. Still looking for more. Not liking PerV acting like 4 scum is a fact in a closed setup.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:38 am

@Sinsun, why are you responding to my case with just "you're caught". How does anyone "outing" anything pertain to my alignment? If anyone "outs" anything, it's that I am town.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:41 am

@Perv, You, Suinsuin, and Hermit if I had to go with those.

Gap

Thor (because likely clear) and Nero

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:22 am

In post 3609, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3608, Titus wrote:@Perv, You, Suinsuin, and Hermit if I had to go with those.

Gap

Thor (because likely clear) and Nero

Titus reads
:

Scum

PeregrineV
sinsun1
St Augustine the Hermit
Thor/Nero

Town

Klingon
Dave
Riabi
Psyche
Suzune
LittleGumball

Wow, I have to love this. You have my town reads pretty much exactly backwards in ranking.

I like Klingon's push back on me and asking why I wasn't tunneling ika. Could it be her trying to link me? Sure, it's possible, but not likely.

I like Dave questioning both the CDB and RiP wagons. He's been clearly plotting through the game here, rather han pushing an agenda.

Riabli's pushing to make sure reads are accurate at great personal expense.

Suzune is town unless scum have a tailor or she is a Godfather lightning rod.

Psyche/Rip had that one moment on replacing in but they still haven't claimed their alleged track. This desperate push for massclaim reeks of looking facts to fix a story to.

LMG is pushing the conftown thing too hard for him to be anything beyond a weak town read at best.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:52 am

Riabli, my concern is how PerV has this secret info. How could he mechanically?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 8:54 am

Why won't you answer our questions?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:36 am

Mod, I am voting sinsun

@PV, You have played anti-town at best. Given our history with bullshit claims in InuYasha (friendly neighbor), I find your total refusal to try to neighborize after N1 scummy.

Second, we can all guess how many scum there are.
Third, LMG was not checked by Barn. That was HI and Thor fmpov.
Fourth, even if we presume four scum, there's no evidence to indicate massclaim clears people.
Fifth, your claim of positivity utility of massclaim based on the number of scum makes no sense.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:38 am

VOTE: PerV

No one is voting Sinsun and PerV is also scum.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:21 pm

@Suinsin, Suzune is not confirmed anything without evidence a tailor does not exist

Also, how do you get a hard town read on PV? He's claiming that he didn't use his ability at all.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:24 pm

In post 3687, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3685, Titus wrote:@Suinsin, Suzune is not confirmed anything without evidence a tailor does not exist

Also, how do you get a hard town read on PV? He's claiming that he didn't use his ability at all.

Just to humor you, because I like you, if a tailor tailored someone, wouldn't there target have been suzune, with the net result of Narn giving suzune the alignment result of suzune's alignment?

A tailor targeting Suzune would make her alignment the opposite of what it is to a cop.

Town Cop --->Scum LR
Scum tailor --->Scum LR

Town cop gets town result.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 3:26 pm

@Dave, who do you think is town?

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:47 pm

In post 3701, Psyche wrote:sighhh
you're right, but you're wrong
you're obsessing over terms like "confirmed town" instead of what we can do to help clarify the situation
you can't play mafia without going out on a limb
it's just not possible

Yet you won't go on a limb and actually give scumreads.

There's a difference between going on a limb and putting your last dollar on 00.

Titus · Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:16 pm

In post 3706, Psyche wrote:okay,
if you guys are so adamant about it i have to assume you have a reason

Yeah it's called, hide the doctor assuming there is one.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:54 am

In post 3712, Suzune wrote:
In post 3656, Riabi wrote:Proof? Evidence? Oh wait... let me guess, that's secret info?
there is very little secret info in this game. In fact the town would kill for a little secret information. In my question for you is why, you cannot see the information based on what has already been played. Many roles have done things and those roles would be as good as confirmed, plus losing the doctor gave us anothe pool. Why are you so desperate to shed discord?

I can't see how many scum there are based on what has been played. Can you enlighten me? Riabli's post mirrors how I feel.

Also, Klingon and I both know ika. He would have informed his buddies that he hammers at l-1 almost always. The fact Sinsun "wanted" to hammer and failed could easily be staged.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:59 am

In post 3715, Sinsun1 wrote:So Kling, Titus is pinging us both as scum. Let's get her. She's pinged by dead town as scum. Today all she is trying to do is cause doubt in people that are pretty much cleared. If we're all beginning to scum read her then we might as well go with intuition and lynch her. Do you see what I mean? ISO Titus and I together, watch where she begins to go against me. It's right at the point where I am declaring I am pretty damn sure that she is scum. Once I did that, she decides she wants me gone because I'm not fooled by her shit anymore.

Rich, you want me gone because I don't use conftown lightly. You pretend that this is a scum indicator but by now Klingon should know that I don't say conftown unless 100% sure.

Except for me, Klingon's reads and mine are almost similar.

The wagon on PerV is almost identical to the wagon on ika.

PerV has done a lot of scummy shit (neighbor no use [which he should never do after InuYasha] and massclaim push to find doctor) and it's right his wagon is large.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:12 am

@PerV, we don't have any conftown. Suzune is the closest but even then, she can still be scum.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:39 am

@Sinsun, reads change. Also not everyone is scumreading me. If that was the case, I would have more votes on me. Everyone is scumreading PV.

@Suzune, the time to do a mass claim is when we cannot make a mistake or the hypothetical doctor is forced to claim.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:45 am

@Suzune, let's presume for a moment that Sinsun is sensor. Why wouldn't he lobby for hammer on Day 1? Second, he said hammer would confirm him. Having a sensor claim doesn't confirm anyone. Third, I doubt sensor would be conditioned on hammer. When designing my setups for review, TBone told me wagon sensor has fallen out of favor due to it punishing the scumteam, so I doubt that is in.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:28 am

@Suzune, His "information" doesn't confirm him. Information is only as good as the source. It is an easy fake claim. I could claim wagon sensor, there are no scum on the ika wagon.

Does that make me conftown if I did? No. It merely states, if I am town, the info is accurate.

@PerV, Town recently had a draw in we didn't playtest this solely due to confclears and setup spec.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:29 am

In post 3740, Psyche wrote:i will be explicit about my info if we massclaim

Your slot is about 2 days overdue for explicit.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:45 am

In post 3748, Suzune wrote:
In post 3745, Titus wrote:
In post 3740, Psyche wrote:i will be explicit about my info if we massclaim

Your slot is about 2 days overdue for explicit.
His slot is basically confirmed, it is not overdue for anything.

One AtE and his slot is confirmed? No, it's probable not confirmed.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:18 am

Just like it was real in HU2 right? You fake claimed question asker as gunsmith. Your claim was fake there. I don't believe you.

Oh I have popcorn. *eats it*

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:39 am

Yeah, and I legit thought you were scum. Just the same as here.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:40 am

What are the odds that the mod sees HU 2, puts that role in this game, and you get it?

Astronomical.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:44 am

At this point, I would almost welcome my mislynch. It confirms me as town, shows scum are desperate to save PV and make a counter wagon, blocks any doctor from outing. So I am fine eating popcorn and voting PV.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:45 am

Oh and it also shows that all our conftown may not be conftown.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:18 am

In post 3777, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3774, Titus wrote:At this point, I would almost welcome my mislynch. It confirms me as town, shows scum are desperate to save PV and make a counter wagon, blocks any doctor from outing. So I am fine eating popcorn and voting PV.

The popcorn references the fact that you are up next to claim. You then "popcorn" to the next person.

When we are done, we can then discuss the claims.

I'm well aware of what a popcorn claim is. I "ate" the popcorn in protest.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:21 am

In post 3803, Suzune wrote:Titus and Raibi are high on my list of potential suspects. Just because I feel like they sow the seeds of doubt into everyone's plays.

Look at We Didn't PlayTest This. I doubted masons that claimed in multiball. Turns out, I was doubting the wrong alleged conftown, but still...people get it wrong. Conftown to me means no possible way said player is scum.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:54 am

In post 3811, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3810, Titus wrote:
In post 3803, Suzune wrote:Titus and Raibi are high on my list of potential suspects. Just because I feel like they sow the seeds of doubt into everyone's plays.

Look at We Didn't PlayTest This. I doubted masons that claimed in multiball. Turns out, I was doubting the wrong alleged conftown, but still...people get it wrong. Conftown to me means no possible way said player is scum.

My role as Oracle gave me the power to question the mod.

Why would you assume I would confirm anyone not confirmed?

Because you can "confirm" yourself as scum, you can also "confirm" your buddies.

You said you couldn't ask if a player was town, yet you could ask of a "town lightning rod" was present. That sounds like one hell of an end run.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 11:54 am

In post 3812, davesaz wrote:This oracle claim is not unique, HI already fake claimed it. I'm a little lost on how that could happen.

huh, link?

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:11 pm

In post 3818, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3812, davesaz wrote:This oracle claim is not unique, HI already fake claimed it. I'm a little lost on how that could happen.

Yeah, you don't know how much I wanted to counterclaim and lynch his ass, especially since he specifically was countering the Beloved Prince claim.

But, since I was an actual Oracle, I figured it'd be wiser to push his lynch and use my powers so I could learn *something* before I died.

Nah, don't think so. You could have voted him. There's plenty of ways to doubtcast a player without CCing someone. You did act as if nothing happened.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:49 pm

In post 3824, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3819, davesaz wrote:It's possible that this is nothing though. Wasn't HI's character one of the characters called the oracle in the show? In which case HI could have stumbled on it coincidentally.

Also, we've begun massclaiming.

Since you are here, you're welcome to go next.

Nah it's more accurate to say scum are spontaneously fakeclaiming to get town to give out info.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:33 pm

Wow, another IIoA wall saying it's perfect if we lynch Titus and to sell massclaim.

Oh and you're outright doc hunting in the thread

@Psyche, No Sinsun was.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:44 pm

In post 3834, Sinsun1 wrote:
In post 3832, Psyche wrote:was riable the one who committed titus's harry potter "scumtell"

Titus believes I did some sort of "scumtell" from some game I had no part in. Hell, he keeps going on about Ika's meta of hammering himself. How am I suppose to know? This is my first game on the bloody site. I don't know if scum team communicates in PM or if they have their own separate forum. I've played on sites that do either or. Yet he expects me to know someone's meta my first game with them when they replace in half way through???

You can stop the fakeness now. PTs are in role PMs and scum can talk at least overnight. Any player who isn't 100% new knows scum talk. Ika would have told any scumbuddy or his buddies would have mentioned it.

The scumtell is precisely because you made a case, did nothing to pursue it when ika became a wagon, and then took credit for ika's lynch.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:52 pm

You haven't proven shit. This isn't about who noticed first. It's you taking credit for a lynch you merely doubtcasted a couple times in favor of.

The hammer thing is fakeable by any scumbuddy of ikas. Even basic meta shows ika always hammers at L minus 1.

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:57 pm

*shrug* not my problem. Say, why are you focused on convincing me you're town? Aren't I confirmed scum for not letting you out the doctor?

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:23 pm

I'm baiting him? How do you get I am baiting him?

Titus · Wed Jul 29, 2015 4:39 pm

@Klingon, Pere first. Both are scum. Pere has the wagon.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:52 am

@Sinsun, you may mislynch me, but you won't get Klingon after my flip.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:53 am

In post 3870, Sinsun1 wrote:Kling locked in as 3rd scum. Does the 4th scum want to be so obvious today? XD It's bad when the town can just call you guys out on this and you don't even see how we're seeing you so easily.

Kling, if I were scum and was hunting Doc, don't you think I'd be doing it in private with my scum mates instead of posting it in the forum publicly to give the TOWN a realistic view of what scum would know by now. They have only 3 unknowns, we have 7. Do the math.

It's intimidation to out the doc.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:17 am

In post 3877, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 3874, Titus wrote:@Sinsun, you may mislynch me, but you won't get Klingon after my flip.

What is this supposed to mean? or is it some scum wifom bs?

It meant that I am town and the conflict between the PerV and Titus wagons should be a wakeup call.

The PerV wagon (if you include Klingon) looks a hell of a lot like the ika wagon. It had virtually no alleged conftown.

My wagon, assuming arguendo that I am lynched will require whatever "conftown" scum is on it. People see PV's claim as the fake it is and Sinsun as posturing scum.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 9:23 am

Hermit, really, read my last post.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:27 am

In post 3886, davesaz wrote:How likely is it that scum are acting as a block right now? Would they really go all in like this if one of them was one of the lynch candidates?
Gross generalization: It's boiling down to a 4v4 with 4 on the side, which is really weird to say the least.

That really does not seem likely to me. It must be an outspoken town + followers vs an outspoken scum + followers.

Very. Assuming we do not analyze the conftown but accept it as is. If there's a scum in the conftown, town will lose. If there is no scum in the conftown, town will almost certainly win.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:51 pm

Yeah, Psyche's scum too. That vote on me is terribad.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:43 pm

In post 3919, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 3870, Sinsun1 wrote:Kling locked in as 3rd scum. Does the 4th scum want to be so obvious today? XD It's bad when the town can just call you guys out on this and you don't even see how we're seeing you so easily.

Kling, if I were scum and was hunting Doc, don't you think I'd be doing it in private with my scum mates instead of posting it in the forum publicly to give the TOWN a realistic view of what scum would know by now. They have only 3 unknowns, we have 7. Do the math.

Do you think this is my first game?

I saw exactly this thing happen in another game. Scum DIDN'T have all the answers they wanted so they brought it to the game thread.

They probably do think you're relatively new. Regardless of your alignment, I know you're lightyears ahead of your join date. Or maybe that's me being proud. #buddying #don'tgiveashit

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 3:54 pm

Well, Psyche, you might want to have that conversation with yourself given your whole bobbing backwards and forwards on me. You're leaning as if I'm town and telling people they should critically engage what I say, and then you just vote me out of the blue.

So do you even know what the case on me is?

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:09 pm

In post 3926, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 3902, LittleGumball wrote:

titus and kling: both voting for sinsun who is so towny that it hurts
a liiiiiiiiiiittle weird that they were talking about ika earlier (1577), that's kind of a funny coincidence
titus talks about kling being scum during the senator lynch but never actually votes for her... until sinsun, who she thought was town, votes for her. who she now thinks is scum (she also voted for him the very next day). and she also now is buddy-buddy with Kling for no reason.
they both defended ika slot when it was arcangel
both vote rip literally right next to each other
yesterday they didn't seem to townread each other but today they're working together

Sinsun isn't all that Towny looking to me. Your opinion of his alignment is scarcely confirmation.
Titus and I, and Ika as well, have played a lot of games together on 3 different sites. We talk to, with, and about each other in games, as do the other USMBers.
I'm seeing both Sinsun and Titus as Scum.
AA9 gets defended because her all-too-often disappearing is not alignment-indicative.
We voted right next to each other? Wtf kind of tell is that? Only the noobest noobs would do that as Scum-mates.
We are NOT working together. Would you rather we got into some endless flame war?

That last line is ika's job as town on this site. :-p. He wasn't doing it and I wasn't conftown.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:26 pm

In post 3936, Thor665 wrote:
In post 3932, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 3924, Psyche wrote:Are we not going to have an actual conversation about the merits of the case on titus.

Not from me.

If I say she's Scum then I get accused of being Scum.

If I say she's Town (which I won't) then I get accused of being Scum.

Whining dodge to avid giving reads?
You're sounding like scum

Seriously though - don't do that, it does sound like scum. If you're town, state your beliefs. That's how the game is played.

Klingon just gave reads a page or two back...

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:28 pm

In post 3935, Psyche wrote:
In post 3930, Psyche wrote:
In post 3925, Titus wrote:Well, Psyche, you might want to have that conversation with yourself given your whole bobbing backwards and forwards on me. You're leaning as if I'm town and telling people they should critically engage what I say, and then you just vote me out of the blue.

So do you even know what the case on me is?

stop trying to make this about me
you're the one at L-2

it's not that i'm trying to deflect
i just feel like you're not doing much to set the record straight on your wagon
if there's a case, quote and pick it apart

Lols, I'm not responding to the imaginary case against me.

You are deflecting.

PV - Sinsun - Psyche - 1 more at least.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:36 pm

PV, it's hardly obvious. The only PR we likely have left is the doctor, which we shouldn't out unless we are about to lynch them.

Yes, there are reasons why the people you push aren't conftown, and you simply dismiss them.

You act as if you don't know ika's meta. The fact that none of the "conftown" were on the ika wagon suggests that maybe the conftown were not conftown at all.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:56 pm

In post 3943, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3942, Titus wrote:PV, it's hardly obvious. The only PR we likely have left is the doctor, which we shouldn't out unless we are about to lynch them.

Yes, there are reasons why the people you push aren't conftown, and you simply dismiss them.

You act as if you don't know ika's meta. The fact that none of the "conftown" were on the ika wagon suggests that maybe the conftown were not conftown at all.

Why would I take the information provided by the mod, ignore it, and just listen to you instead?

If the doctor wants to claim, we will take the 7 confirmed town and lynch the scummiest of the remaining 5.

Otherwise, despite the 10 times you brought up the doctor, they are not relevant enough to justify your reluctance to ignore whats in front of you.

You're scum so it kinda answers itself.

Nah, the doctor shouldn't be claiming. I'll claim at L-1. Not before.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:57 pm

In post 3946, Sinsun1 wrote:Seeing as you're at L2 with my vote pending the next vote to hammer you Titus, it's time for you to full claim. Not like it matters because I know it will be completely made up, but might as well satisfy the unconvinced town of your role here.

Another thing that links Kling to you is she "suspects" you and I, yet when you're 1 vote away from being lynched, she will not do it.

Now you're even going on to say Psyche is mafia. You really are failing at gaining any town cred from the remaining town unconvinced of our case on you and Riabi.

The connection between you 3 is very clear, you only have one scum mate left in hiding, so he/she better hide well, because you 3 are gone over the next 3 days.

Well yeah, the remaining town are lurking.

I don't care how many votes I have. I call a spade a spade as town. Plus, my mislynch brings the whole "conftown" thing shattering down.

I'm surprised more scum haven't already jumped on... oh right.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:58 pm

In post 3950, Psyche wrote:
In post 3942, Titus wrote:PV, it's hardly obvious. The only PR we likely have left is the doctor, which we shouldn't out unless we are about to lynch them.

Yes, there are reasons why the people you push aren't conftown, and you simply dismiss them.

You act as if you don't know ika's meta. The fact that none of the "conftown" were on the ika wagon suggests that maybe the conftown were not conftown at all.

i was on the ika wagon

And you're not "conftown" you've been prob town due to your rage.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 4:59 pm

In post 3953, Psyche wrote:
In post 3940, Titus wrote:
In post 3935, Psyche wrote:
In post 3930, Psyche wrote:
In post 3925, Titus wrote:Well, Psyche, you might want to have that conversation with yourself given your whole bobbing backwards and forwards on me. You're leaning as if I'm town and telling people they should critically engage what I say, and then you just vote me out of the blue.

So do you even know what the case on me is?

stop trying to make this about me
you're the one at L-2

it's not that i'm trying to deflect
i just feel like you're not doing much to set the record straight on your wagon
if there's a case, quote and pick it apart

Lols, I'm not responding to the imaginary case against me.

You are deflecting.

PV - Sinsun - Psyche - 1 more at least.

you have to see how useless this is to anyone

It's useless to scum, I have to agree.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:00 pm

In post 3955, Psyche wrote:Also, you asked me if I know the case on you. Now you're denying that one exists?

Yes. There isn't one. Certainly not one that gets you to turn around from "critically engage Titus" to sheep voting in a page. It was a test sweetie.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:06 pm

In post 3959, Psyche wrote:
In post 3954, Titus wrote:
In post 3950, Psyche wrote:
In post 3942, Titus wrote:PV, it's hardly obvious. The only PR we likely have left is the doctor, which we shouldn't out unless we are about to lynch them.

Yes, there are reasons why the people you push aren't conftown, and you simply dismiss them.

You act as if you don't know ika's meta. The fact that none of the "conftown" were on the ika wagon suggests that maybe the conftown were not conftown at all.

i was on the ika wagon

And you're not "conftown" you've been prob town due to your rage.

I'm conftown. But whatever, enjoy your shitty reads. But if you're town, do something to show it and stop being obnoxious. You've got to know that the town can't handle many more mislynches.

Which is why the scum are all on mine.

If I am wrong on Sinsun and your epic theory is right, then Sinsun should be able to sensor the fuck out of my wagon and then we win.
If I am wrong about Sinsun, but right about my theory, then Sinsun should convey that.

If I'm right about Sinsun being scum, then lord help us all, we've already lost.

There is no case. The only "case" is me disagreeing with a herd of people wanting to do something that I view as very anti-town.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:07 pm

This will be the second time that I've gone from leading a wagon on scum with zero incentive to do so, to immediately being lynched thereafter. See Knight Errant.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:10 pm

In post 3969, Sinsun1 wrote:Now the doc is narrowed down to two people for mafia and 2 people for me if I am right about the full mafia team. Also care to say if you blocked anyone who claimed to be blocked Hermit? Just to see if there is a mafia roleblocker in play as well.

Also Titus, there's too many people on you to call us all scum, doing so would make you look pitiful. There are 6 of us now on you. I'll amuse you, let's say 4 of the 6 are scum, that means 2 town still want you to claim or hang. But keep refusing to claim, it just makes scum hunting easier on us townie because they're soo obvious.

No. Not everyone voting me "wants me to claim right now". My wagon snuck up relatively fast.

I have zero intention on claiming.

You're going to have to get one more townie to vote me before I claim. I'm not helping scum, and if I die because of it, I die.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:11 pm

In post 3971, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
id you block me night1?

No. I don't even know who they were used on, Monkeyman didn't say it on my Role PM. Both were used already, I'll shoot him a PM.

I have no clue, but I didn't block you...

What the fuck is this?

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:12 pm

In post 3974, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Okay, knock this shit off. Everybody else claim.

No. We are not outing the doctor tonight, unless it's me. You won't know that until you hammer scum.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:14 pm

In post 3975, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Titus, I think you are very confused. Peregrine was talking to me and I was talking to Peregrine.

I am not.

PV asked you if you roleblocked him.
You said no, but let me check with the mod to see who I did block and your two shots were used up. How would you know your two shots were used and that you didn't block PV without knowing who you did block?

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:14 pm

In post 3978, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3976, Titus wrote:
In post 3974, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Okay, knock this shit off. Everybody else claim.

No. We are not outing the doctor tonight, unless it's me. You won't know that until you hammer scum.

I'm totally confused by this sentence.

I'm not claiming until I'm at L-1 and possibly not then.

I'm not helping to out the doctor.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:17 pm

^^ Yeah, you won't sensor my wagon because it's obvious the result you'd have to provide is your buddies are scum.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:18 pm

Oh and any idiot can claim VT here. Not hard to fake claim Seiko. Hell, I usually DRAFT fake claims for my teams if the players don't like mod made ones.

See Signs and Void

I can fabricate a claim out of whole cloth.

I'm not claiming because it is anti-town to do so.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:21 pm

In post 3989, Psyche wrote:wtf is going on in here

Well maybe you are town after all..

Mod: Do scums have daychat?

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:24 pm

I'm not sure what the hell Constantine is doing?

He makes an obvious fuck up with his claim and then he all of a sudden says I'm town after I highlight that (although to be fair Psyhe caught it simulatenously_).

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:27 pm

In post 3996, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Holy fuck, we're
all
, all over the place, calm the fuck down!

Why is all bolded?

I'm getting really tempted to just say fuck it and vote Constantine and save Sinsun/PV for another day.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:31 pm

Ok Psyche gets more prob town points... but this could be staged...

VOTE: Constantine the Hermit

Let's see what happens here.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:39 pm

@Sinsun,

No. I'm saying scum would just need a tailor to fuck with most of the conftowns. The roleblocker is a necessity for your theory of PV being town.

I love how you ignore Constantine's terrible claim after you pushed for massclaim.

I also said Psyhe got townpoints not that he must be town. Scum do have daychat but I value natural synergy.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:44 pm

Wow, I can prove someone as scum when I hammer them too. That's a magical ability of... having a role PM in the game.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:45 pm

In post 3971, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:
id you block me night1?

No. I don't even know who they were used on, Monkeyman didn't say it on my Role PM. Both were used already, I'll shoot him a PM.

Ask yourself how Constantine

knows he didn't block PV

but doesn't know who he actually blocked.

If you can't answer that, you should vote him.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:56 pm

In post 4011, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 4010, Psyche wrote:kay pv
back to constantine
thoughts?

Seriously?

If he is not the roleblocker, he is claiming it to take the lynch away from Titus.

There would be absolutely no reason to do that if Titus were town. He would just let nature take his course, and the mislynch would go through.

Or he slipped. Scum are human.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:58 pm

If my lynch was obvious, why wouldn't he just "let nature take its course" and get towncred. There was no intent behind that statement. We both know he's scum PV. You can continue this blind tunnel with Sinsun, or you can actually do something useful, like Sensor the wagon after we lynch Constantine.

Sinsun uses her ability and hammers.

Cha ching.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 5:58 pm

If all you're conftowns are right, this should be a really easy game. If they aren't well we'll see how it goes.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:16 pm

No. My contention is he was spontaneously claiming to try and further the agenda scum want of finding the doctor. He mucks his claim accidently.

It has nothing to do with me, saving me or anything like that.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:16 pm

In post 4017, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4014, Titus wrote:If all you're conftowns are right, this should be a really easy game. If they aren't well we'll see how it goes.

We WOULD be lynching scum if you weren't messing with town heads.

Psyche, stop whining that people are tunneling. People are not tunneling, people have found scum. How is that so hard to see? Also you still haven't answered on why you think Titus is town even though multiple people have stated cases on her.

Sinsun, when you read this, I know exactly how frustrated you are, but please don't lose your cool. If your ability will actually help town then use it. I would rather you be the hammer so you can prove to the nonbelievers that you're town. If we manage to get another couple people then it's safe to unvote and then use your hammer power.

DAVE AND NERO, please talk.

LG, People can tunnel on scum. They aren't mutually exclusive categories. I'm not scum though so...

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:17 pm

Oh and I can't believe you also skipped Constantine's shitty claim.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:27 pm

In post 4021, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4020, Titus wrote:Oh and I can't believe you also skipped Constantine's shitty claim.

He's on the back burner. I'm voting for who I strongly believe to be scum. Sure he could have just accidentally outed himself but that's something to look for after you or Kling or Riabi are lynched. I'm looking between Constantine and Nero constantly to see who I find more scummy and I can't decide yet.

Right, first you lynch all the towns, then you lynch the scum. I see how it is.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 4022, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4019, Titus wrote:LG, People can tunnel on scum. They aren't mutually exclusive categories. I'm not scum though so...

I don't see how tunneling scum is a problem though? Like, if you prove that someone is scum then what's the problem?

Tunneling scum is not a problem. That's the exact point I was making. Psyche saying tunnel doesn't say much. If he's tunnelling and ignoring evidence, that indicates he's scum. That's precisely what you and him are doing.

You PV and more likely than not Sinsun have no valid explanation for that post, so you scumread him. Yet, you always want to vote townies. That's the problem.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:33 pm

In post 4025, LittleGumball wrote:Only thing is, you Kling and Riabi aren't townies. Don't try and tell me otherwise.

Also why is it that you start scumreading people when they start scumreading you and then townread them when they unvote you? (Yes I'm specifically talking about Psyche)

If that was the case, I'd be townreading Constantine.

However, Psyche and I had the same thoughts on Constantine at the same time. That's VERY unlikely to come from scum. Possible, sure. Likely no.

Of course, you have to state that "but townies are scum" to ignore an obvious slip like Constantine's.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:49 pm

In post 4027, LittleGumball wrote:Okay? I didn't ask you about Constantine I asked you about Psyche?

Why did you start scumreading Psyche when he voted for you and then say "hmm maybe you're town" when he unvoted you?

That's my point. Constantine unvoted me the minute I scumread him. I am still scumreading him.

I answered that point on Psyche. We had the same thoughts at the same time regarding Constantine. That's not likely to come from scum.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 6:50 pm

In post 4029, PeregrineV wrote:
In post 3234, Titus wrote:Frankly, my biggest scumreads are still Nero and Thor, they haven't done anything to change that but the behavior of everyone else makes me think that I'm wrong.

Probably need to update this, or listen to yourself that your wrong.

It's been updated as I go. I did answer the upteen millionth time about who my current scumreads are.

Stop ignoring Constantine and trying to drown it out with shit I already answered.

Titus · Thu Jul 30, 2015 8:26 pm

This is like reading about two trains driving so far in the opposite direction so fast, they think the other crashed.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:17 am

In post 4052, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 4006, PeregrineV wrote:

Dave, Klingon, Titus and Riabi
- you guys are the only ones left.

I'm Mallibock the Farmer. I'm a Treestump.

Are you a self-activating treestump? I see you're voting ATM...

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 5:22 am

@Thor - How does outing a doctor help the town's wincon? It's likely the only PR we have left on balance. Will review what you say and think once I'm done with mod setup for my game.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:44 am

@Sinsun, I am one of the best scum players on the site. I could come up with a fakeclaim called transporter food as Cassandra and make it sound believable.

The more you push that, the more anyone who has ever rolled scum with me knows you're tunneling, and using facts that aren't true.

@Nero, the case is that Constantine claimed that he didn't know who his blocks were on, but knew he didn't block PV Night 1. Later he's apparently claimed he did block PV n1 and Narninan night 3. Thor has supplemented by saying that the slot was inactive during night 1, so there's no way Constantine's slot actually did submit a block on PV. If Constantine's slot did roleblock PV, then someone else on his scumteam submitted the block.

@Thor, If scum shoot the doctor, we get the same conftown either way. If scum don't know the doctor, they take a chance on having their kill target be healed. I don't see how getting the conftown now, and just condemning them to die is helpful in the slightest.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:00 am

In post 4073, Thor665 wrote:
In post 4072, Titus wrote:@Thor, If scum shoot the doctor, we get the same conftown either way. If scum don't know the doctor, they take a chance on having their kill target be healed. I don't see how getting the conftown now, and just condemning them to die is helpful in the slightest.

I can mildly buy that logic.

Are you voting Constantine with me yet?

Was voting before you asked the first time. Forgot to quote that for you.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:02 am

In post 4001, Titus wrote:Ok Psyche gets more prob town points... but this could be staged...

VOTE: Constantine the Hermit

Let's see what happens here.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:25 am

What do you think of PV, Little Gumball and Sinsun all completely ignoring Constantine's behavior or saying that we lynch him after you? Am I crazy to think that's buddies protecting buddies?

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:36 am

4077, should read lynch him after me.

I don't think anyone is pushing a Thor/Psyche lynch ATM.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 7:56 am

Wasn't that "conspiracy theory" suggested by PV already and disproven?

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 8:13 am

No LG, I also walked through the fact that scum have no motivation to try and save me here. Even if I am wrong on that, the result is, you're still supposing hermit is scum.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:34 am

In post 4093, davesaz wrote:I was playing civ3 last night, and in meetings all morning. That was a lot of posts to catch up!

St Constantine's claim does not make up for the lack of scumhunt from that slot. The N1 vs. replace timing does not agree with the claimed results. This feel scummy to me. Pedit: you're claiming Marcrell sent it before replace-out?

I think refusal to claim anything at virtual L1 fits with Titus as town. If she were scum, she could claim doc to either out the doc via CC, or avoid the lynch herself without CC. Even if the real doc is already voting scum Titus, if nobody jumps on then it narrows down the potential list.

Has Klingon been on any lynch wagons? A stump claim is only possible if the player hasn't been on a lynch (or there is a double voter), or if it's self activated. Town stumping is not beneficial, is it?

You should vote Constantine.

Klingon was on the ika wagon I believe. She's not a traditional out from the start treestump. Given I gambited this role before, and I don't think Klingon's scum, I feel rather awkward pressing but for the basics to determine if her role impacts lylo.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:35 am

In post 4092, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:There really isn't much motivation for me to lie to you all. I think I am officially the Titus counterwagon.

More like I was the counter to PerV and you slipped, making you technically my counter.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 9:37 am

In post 4089, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4086, Titus wrote:No LG, I also walked through the fact that scum have no motivation to try and save me here. Even if I am wrong on that, the result is, you're still supposing hermit is scum.

Scum have every motivation to try and save scum.

Even if he's not lying and he's town, he (for some reason) thinks you're town and wants to save you. Same with Psyche, he literally won't explain to me why he thinks you're town but apparently he does.

I'm waiting for a further explanation from Constantine before I make my final verdict on him. Last I heard someone pointed out the absence of a person in his slot during a night so I'm waiting for that answer.

So why burn one scum, who hypothetically if he flips and did roleblock PV n1 to save a scum that does nothing for their team?

Again, your scenario PRESUMES constantine is scum. So you should be voting him. Period.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:25 pm

In post 4103, Suzune wrote:
In post 3986, Titus wrote:^^ Yeah, you won't sensor my wagon because it's obvious the result you'd have to provide is your buddies are scum.
This assumes of course that he is the sensor, that was just my guess. I thought you said it was a silly claim?

It is fake. Obviously, scum do not need a wagon sensor. They know our alignments. It was a "we both know what the results would be if you were legit" aka, you're obviously full of bullshit.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:28 pm

Suzune, Thor, Nero Ain, Riabli, Dave, Klingon, Psyche...

Aww fuck it

Most everyone but PV Sinsun You and LG.

No one's conftown though.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:32 pm

In post 4114, Suzune wrote:
In post 4113, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:Suzune, I think most people would find it more strange if I still had shots on D6.
I had all my shots still when I joined on day 3. And still had them until night four. Considering the number of people who subbed that role. I would not find it odd at all. People know to save things for important moments.

Your role is swingy Suzune. I would expect an early or late use if town. N1 or N2 was optimal. N2 would be the best to remove the night created and explain things.

A roleblocker, if town, should be using his actions 1 early one late but hell people fuck up rb all the time. I do take issue with him blocking Narninan though.

Titus · Fri Jul 31, 2015 2:33 pm

In post 4119, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 4056, Titus wrote:
In post 4052, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 4006, PeregrineV wrote:

Dave, Klingon, Titus and Riabi
- you guys are the only ones left.

I'm Mallibock the Farmer. I'm a Treestump.

Are you a self-activating treestump? I see you're voting ATM...

I have to "declare" and get Mod confirmation.

I don't think that's a good idea this late in the game.

If you cannot leave a trigger such as "activate when I get shot, I agree".

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:37 am

The roleblocker being the only one to affect the cop assumes that all role have been claimed as honest and there's zero roles outstanding.

Second, you're the third player to push the narrative of Hermit "saving" me yet refusing to vote Hermit. It's almost the same thoughts verbatim like robots repeating. Kinda creepy.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:39 am

Proving treestump only makes Klingon a confirmed treestump. I am town reading Kling hard, but she confirmed role=/= confirmed alignment.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 3:57 am

@Sinsun, I've played a game with a mafia treestump. Role=/= confirmed alignment. Ever.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:00 am

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=32512

Mafia Treestumps are handled in that if everyone else on the mafia dies, they burn to a crisp.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:25 am

I think you've done the longest crybaby post ever, which is sad because I'm town here.

I don't think we ever "clear" people based off setup spec in 80% of cases. Smalltown games, small sizes that require to many scum to have a valid scenario are just two of the ways where people can be cleared by setup. Yet with about 10 players alive, the best anyone should be doing is probably town. This drove a few people crazy in "We Didn't Playtest This" but one of the 'confclears' Brantz, was indeed actually scum.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:58 am

In post 4138, PeregrineV wrote:Just checking in, will be back later or tomorrow.

Let's not lynch just yet.

Has everyone claimed yet?

Shit are you kidding me with this question?

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 8:16 am

In post 4135, Sinsun1 wrote:
In post 4134, Titus wrote:I think you've done the longest crybaby post ever, which is sad because I'm town here.

Please, do explain how you are even remotely town. I'd love to hear your excuses for not claiming and acting like you're not on the block.

More crying please. There's a saying appropriate for this occasion. Those who matter don't mind. Those who mind don't matter. Right now, that's how I feel about your request.

What's your thought on Hermit's alignment?

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 4:56 pm

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:44 pm

OK Psyche, what am I missing?

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:46 pm

In post 4148, Sinsun1 wrote:Screw it. Using my hammer power on him since the town is going that way anyway.

UNVOTE: Titus
VOTE: Hermit

Any last words Hermit?

Tomorrow we're lynching Titus.

Was this counted Mod? If so, why wasn't Hermit hammered

.

I don't think I have come across a player that could only vote some players but not others.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:28 pm

In post 4166, Psyche wrote:think i will probably feel okay voting titus after this though if only because a lot of apparently surely town players are scumreading her

What the fuck are you kidding me? That reason applies to both wagons currently here.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:34 pm

In post 4169, Psyche wrote:
In post 4167, Titus wrote:
In post 4166, Psyche wrote:think i will probably feel okay voting titus after this though if only because a lot of apparently surely town players are scumreading her

What the fuck are you kidding me? That reason applies to both wagons currently here.

i think sinsun just confirmed cons as town
but we'll see

Explain.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:47 pm

In post 4171, Psyche wrote:his hammer didn't do anything?

Oh wait... now I see it. Fucking A. He's a priest.

That puts Sinsun in the probable town moron category.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 6:50 pm

How does a Priest and a treestump work together though, that severely nerfs the voting power of town and we already had beloved princess too?

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:25 pm

Dumb question, if Suinsun was priest, why didn't he just "hammer"ika?

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:28 pm

Suinsun had plenty of time where ika was at L minus 1.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:32 pm

In post 3398, St Constantine the Hermit wrote:BTW VOTE: Ika because he is only at L-2

I thought Suinsin did have that chance. Looks like I was wrong, could a sworn...

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:34 pm

In post 4184, Nero Cain wrote:If he's a priest then he's like not been one the whole game.

LicketyQuickety[12] - Narninian, ChannelDelibird,
Sinsun1
, HostileIntent,Saint, Titus, KlingonCelt, Zabing12, PeaceBringer, davesaz, LicketyQuickety, Senator[Lynch!]

Nero, Priest just means someone cannot hammer, which actually seems like a decent nerf for scum.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:34 pm

In post 4182, davesaz wrote:I'd question why someone would think this was an amazing role.

Ditto.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:35 pm

If town can suffer two nights in a row, barring scum from quick hammering makes sense.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:36 pm

Still let's lynch Constantine and let scum confirm town for us or doc hunt.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:38 pm

In post 4189, Suzune wrote:Sinsun was so proud of his power. I assumed it was something way more helpful...

This is circular, but a priest role as scum is powerful for the ability to "confirm" yourself as town.

I also want to know PerV's questions but I am getting tired and scatterbrained.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:42 pm

In post 4195, Psyche wrote:it is circular
is it a powerful role or not??

My point was, if Sinsun is scum, priest is powerful due to its "probably town" nature.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:43 pm

In post 4175, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4173, Titus wrote:How does a Priest and a treestump work together though, that severely nerfs the voting power of town and we already had beloved princess too?

Maybe Kling is lying.

Unlikely, she said she could declare, and I don't see any student of mine claiming something they cannot prove without good reason.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:45 pm

In post 4191, Nero Cain wrote:Like idk, I understand the case on Cons but IDK, I'm in such confbias and it makes me real wary that he was the 2ND cw to PV.

And Pysche is acting like the Titus case was so super duper important but hes ignoring PV and Sinsun keeps dodging my question like he's straight outta the matrix. Ima sleep and think about what I want to do.

PV is also dodging any hard position on Constantine. He won't defend the role block slip, yet he won't vote or condemn Constantine.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 4200, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4199, Titus wrote:
In post 4175, LittleGumball wrote:
In post 4173, Titus wrote:How does a Priest and a treestump work together though, that severely nerfs the voting power of town and we already had beloved princess too?

Maybe Kling is lying.

Unlikely, she said she could declare, and I don't see any student of mine claiming something they cannot prove without good reason.

Aren't you the one that keeps bragging about how good of a fakeclaim you can make up? Aren't you the one telling her she shouldn't stump herself?

She shouldn't right now as its suboptimal. Yet Titus 101 on claiming and gambits. Don't claim anything you cannot prove or fix unless forced.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:47 pm

In post 4203, Psyche wrote:
In post 4197, Titus wrote:
In post 4195, Psyche wrote:it is circular
is it a powerful role or not??

My point was, if Sinsun is scum, priest is powerful due to its "probably town" nature.

so it's not a nerf

Not being able to hammer is a nerf. Period.

It can be a strategic boon to fakeclaiming scum in certain instances.

Titus · Sat Aug 01, 2015 7:59 pm

No. Something can be a double edged sword. A nerf and a boost.

Anyway I gtg. Gn.

Titus · Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:14 am

Hermit's so scum.

Accuses Sinsun of bullshitting, and then sheeps bullshit.

Oh and sinsun, I am thinking critically about Klingon's role as well. I have little doubt Suzune is a lightning rod. I have little doubt Klingon is a treestump. I have little doubt you're a priest. I am not blindly assuming alignment of anyone, which is the definition of something.

Suzune, you have stopped engaging the thread and just started to yell that I am scum over and over.

Nothing of this changes Constantine's lack of consistency in his own role and blatantly scummy play.

Titus · Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:30 am

That was a horrible typo. I meant Sinsun.

Titus · Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:47 am

@Sinsun, yeah right. Your townread on me began to fade when I started resisting you. Second, you still refuse to engage the Constantine wagon to either defend his claim or vote him. You keep saying he "could be" scum and that's not a position. If you're uncertain, town would investigate.

Yet, you are 100% lynch Titus.