Tarot uPick II - GAME OVER

[Tammy]

(fire is bad for business)

does it burn burn burn?

[Tammy]

VOTE: oil tycoons

choo choo

I'm gonna go have a few drinks!

[Tammy]

Trains are good for business.

VOTE: Oil Tycoons

VOTE: oil tycoons

choo choo

I'm gonna go have a few drinks!

TAMMY DRUNK DANCE WITH ME LATER

TIPSY TAMMY REPORTING FOR DUTY. WHAT DANCE WOULD YOU LIKE?

[Tammy]

(fire is bad for business)

does it burn burn burn?

So, no response to this? The fire thing must not have meant what I thought it did.

[Tammy]

As far as serious reads go, Konowa is my only town read. I like the way he approached the situation with mastin, particularly the "he's probably voting me because I failed to disarm him" line; it's a pretty self-aware/cheeky statement for scum to come up with right off the bat.

I'm excited because Tammy's first post didn't seem particularly town; I acknowledge that this probably doesn't mean anything, but I've been waiting for Too Many Heads revenge for a long long time and usually she dashes my hopes after her first post, so I'm gonna be over here dreaming of Tammy-scum if the rest of you don't mind

Vote: Tammy

Sorry to dash all your dreams and hopes bb, but this STILL is not the game.

Also, if you did not understand my first post it's because it was not meant for you. I thought the fire is bad for business might have been a clue but it apparently was not, so.

You can keep your vote on me though. I'll just be over here pointing and laughing. You're cute when you're wrong

[Tammy]

Hiya tammy, it's been a while since we played together last~

Hi! I'm actually not sure which head this is. i was going to guess kagami because at first I thought I hadn't played with fakegod, but I remember Anything Goes now.

Also, FakeGod, some months back I watched the show your avatar is from!

[Tammy]

I'm not getting pedits tonight. Is that happening for anyone else?

[Tammy]

Unfortunately that's not as viable

Spoiler: IRL Shit, people who don't care can skip

She had a knee blowout tonight and is sort of in incredible amounts of pain, so posting will be limited and likely venty; direct questions can be relayed through me if need be. If she's feeling better she'll hop back in but no major promises.

*hugs and ice packs to penguin*

[Tammy]

Yep, kagami-head is doing the posting for Day 1.

Keima-anime is excellent. I hope you watched the goddess arc, which is brilliant.

I think OT, PN, and KN are town. What do you think?

I've only seen season one.

OT maybe but their vote is one me so gaffaw.

PN didn't make much of an impression.

Not sure on Konowa.

It's pretty early yet, I really don't have many reads at all. Maaaaaaaaaaaybe a medea town read, but I think I have markers for both of their town games now, so!

[Tammy]

AH, yeah they haven't registered with me yet. It's probably actually a bit too early for most people to register with me. That could be the wine speaking :/

[Tammy]

Not townreading Medea.

is there anything concerning you about them?

[Tammy]

I was going to tell you he hadn't even posted yet.

People need to stop changing their avatars!

[Tammy]

I'm a visual person and I recognize people by their avatars. If they change them, I don't recognize them.

[Tammy]

HEY OIL TYCOONS. You wanted to dance. Time's running out cuz my feet are getting tired and I'm not going to play the wallflower waiting around forever!

[Tammy]

luna is town

i drunk

tammy could be scum

oil tycone can diein a damn fire for all icare

hope PV feels abter

*snooze*

Let malakittens post.

[Tammy]

Though it should be noted that I legitimately find his confirm post scummy.

Are you a ring?

[Tammy]

What the hell

VOTE: lynxkuroneko

[Tammy]

That what the hell should read more in a yolo type context than WHAT THE HELL just for those of you following along at home.

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

That's not dancing with me that's flatlining. I'm not impressed.

This contract I'm reading is more exciting btw!

[Tammy]

Calm yourself; I was on the train and didn't want to be wordy.

To say that the Lynx wagon doesn't do anything for me is an understatement; it's an easy place to plop a vote and I don't think there's anything alignment indicative about conform instead of confirm; it's not only a fairly common joke, it's a really easy type to make thanks to the i next to o thing.

I thought that

a) trains are interesting?

b) saying burn, burn, burn does inspire you with a bunch of confidence to plop down a vote???

[Tammy]

OH

you don't understand.

it's OKAY!

[Tammy]

that's also NOT DANCING

[Tammy]

(Dancing is a buzzkill.)

Only if you live in Elmore City.

[Tammy]

Or Beaumont, dammit.

[Tammy]

OT maybe but their vote is one me so gaffaw.

Can we talk about this?

I'm happier with this opening than I have been in any other towngame that I can remember, and I've seen it translated to me nailing a lot of tonal aspects, which means I was definitely expecting you to townread me by the "town hug" post towards Konowa at the latest.

I realize the reason you most likely have trepidations are because of the push on you for a lame opening because it annoys you when people think that opening is indicative of you being scum but you have been spoiling me with obviously town openings lately and that certainly wasn't one at all. It's also a lame trepidation to have because I've been driven to catch you out early as scum for a while now so me coming at you for that opening should expected; if I didn't jump on a chance of you!scum, it would probably because I'm scum afraid to play the awkward paranoia card on you early.

UM that was a joke?

I kinda thought I was being obviously playful towards you as I don't typically tell someone that I'm scumreading that I'm going to point and laugh at you for being wrong. Okay maybe I do, but I don't.

I mean I'm not ready to go full town on you yet, especially after reading in swagtown that you feel like you can stave me off more lately, but I also don't think I've been sending up obvious signals that I'm especially worried about you right now either, which this feels really weird.

My opening to you was for a specific reason, but obviously it wasn't you or you would have understood it. I don't really know what to say about that except that.

I think the fact that I was running out the door and checked in here and posted should be indication enough that I was happy to draw town but *shrug* don't know what to do about that face that I was trying to find who to respond to and it apparently wasn't you.

I feel like I'm being manipulated here though.

[Tammy]

I thought that

a) trains are interesting?

b) saying burn, burn, burn does inspire you with a bunch of confidence to plop down a vote???

I entered the thread with fire is bad for business, I was the one who placed the vote on you. Syryana is train boy. My first priority this game was very much going to be you

And while I didn't really mind the burn burn burn post I thought you would really want to get town here based on situations and Syryana and so your opening would have a bit more RAWR to it, which seemed to be lacking.

Oh. Just because there are things I'm trying to process and figure out doesn't mean I don't want to indicate to you that I am town.

[Tammy]

I feel like I'm being manipulated here though.

But madam you turned over a new leaf!



*twitch*

I don't understand the response.

[Tammy]

Also Oil Tycoons, can we talk about this usually means that you'll respond if I respond #justsayin

[Tammy]

Also Oil Tycoons, can we talk about this usually means that you'll respond if I respond #justsayin

I was just reading your post now.

I didn't even see the cute post :/

That was the best part!

[Tammy]

Like I saw you say that you were here and fire didn't mean what you thought it did (did you think it was an ellie goulding thing?) and then I saw you do a bunch of other stuff which made it look like you were less town on me than you were in that post.

What I thought it was doesn't matter. Why would you even care if I didn't have you as solid town though???

[Tammy]

I don't see why one has to prod you for this kind of info instead of you just outing your thoughts.

It's clearly because I am scum who has no idea what to do when I get a scum pm in a game full of people close to each other, rather than manipulate my past to snow them.

Thanks for the scum claim!

VOTE: fluff central

[Tammy]

I'm totes ummmmmm original!

[Tammy]

you're wrong!

[Tammy]

I just can't help being that suspicious third vote on a wagon!

that's what I've decided. My favorite number is three, so I'm not going to vote on a wagon unless I can be third

...I might be a little tipsy right now, don't mind me.

[Tammy]

you're wrong!

What did you think the "maybe im wrong?" meant

I don't know what you're asking me. You said maybe you're wrong about it giving you bad vibes; I'm agreeing with you that it's wrong.

[Tammy]

OOOOOHHHHHHH

Luna Fox might be town probably is.

I'm town Luna, so you don't have to feel weird about any wagon I'm on. In fact, I have no scum reads right now at all and am shooting random blanks, so!

[Tammy]

Tammy, you were grilling OT pretty hard and then took the opportunity to vote me without actually pressing me for anything.

Why?

I was grilling them hard, what?

[Tammy]

Why would you even care if I didn't have you as solid town though???

Because I thought our opening was very very jazzy and I was excited for you to see it and be like "wow look at how town they are!" and instead you said our push on you was meh.

Your push on me was meh, but it was also mitigated by the fact that I thought you were fire and you apparently weren't. And my oh your town maybe but your vote is on me *gaffaw* means I was laughing.

[Tammy]

I think Tammy was liable to push back at you regardless of her alignment.

I would I would do this!

[Tammy]

No but wait that doesn't actually answer the question of what you think of how I reacted?!?

[Tammy]

vote: Fluff Central

I don't like the attempt at discrediting town reads on Kamikagami because he outed role information in his previous scum game, for a few reasons. The only reason he even played that way as scum was because he decided to go balls out yolo and do something insane just for the sake of doing something insane. Kamikagami's is also fundamentally different from his play in that game in that her information serves to clear people whereas his didn't, which is more likely to come from town than scum as scum usually don't go searching for ways people can potentially be cleared. I don't believe he'd think what Kamikagami did was the same thing he did in that game, and I don't believe he'd Kamikagami, or anyone else for that matter, would do the same thing he did in that game in any other game.

Who has done this?

[Tammy]

Oh wait. I forgot to complain about how many times it took me to post that for the #towncred

[Tammy]

I didn't get the "gaffaw" thing; thought that was just some old person adjective but it didn't seem good

I spelled it wrong. I'm sorry you're too young and illiterate to interpret :/

[Tammy]

Well when you want to say she hasnt posted when she did, ues i will be a nitpicky asshole. you should realize by now that i don not take lightly to such things to my hydra partners unless they tell me otherwise.

Ask Mala if she thinks this is the fight you want to pick. You are literally getting pissy because I didn't count a "I will post later" as an actual game post.

povoking the drunk tire angry bull is not a good idea nottty. im getting pissy cus you are dismissing mala post as she has not posted.

your statement was: mala has not posted yet. she has though, if you said "she has not made a game releavnt post" i would understand.

but no, you dont get to pot shot her like that

this is a dumb argument!

[Tammy]

vote: Fluff Central

I don't like the attempt at discrediting town reads on Kamikagami because he outed role information in his previous scum game, for a few reasons. The only reason he even played that way as scum was because he decided to go balls out yolo and do something insane just for the sake of doing something insane. Kamikagami's is also fundamentally different from his play in that game in that her information serves to clear people whereas his didn't, which is more likely to come from town than scum as scum usually don't go searching for ways people can potentially be cleared. I don't believe he'd think what Kamikagami did was the same thing he did in that game, and I don't believe he'd Kamikagami, or anyone else for that matter, would do the same thing he did in that game in any other game.

Who has done this?

The post was made by pie. This is Echo speaking.

That's not what I was asking. I was asking who was discrediting town reads on kamikagami cuz....

[Tammy]

What does illiteracy have to do with interpretation of a typographical error?

Who are you asking a question about?

[Tammy]

vote: Fluff Central

I don't like the attempt at discrediting town reads on Kamikagami because he outed role information in his previous scum game, for a few reasons. The only reason he even played that way as scum was because he decided to go balls out yolo and do something insane just for the sake of doing something insane. Kamikagami's is also fundamentally different from his play in that game in that her information serves to clear people whereas his didn't, which is more likely to come from town than scum as scum usually don't go searching for ways people can potentially be cleared. I don't believe he'd think what Kamikagami did was the same thing he did in that game, and I don't believe he'd Kamikagami, or anyone else for that matter, would do the same thing he did in that game in any other game.

Who has done this?

The post was made by pie. This is Echo speaking.

That's not what I was asking. I was asking who was discrediting town reads on kamikagami cuz....

...

Did you not see the vote on Fluff Central?

Maybe you need to learn some interpretation skills of your own.

OOOOOOOOOOOH

There's a badass in our midst.

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

[Tammy]

So Echo you're an alt. are you elusive???

[Tammy]

Also echo echo, why'd you ask me to hydra with you if you're just going to insult me as soon as day starts???

[Tammy]

Actually at the moment, I'm thinking Kuroko Network is scum. I don't think that someone asks someone to hydra with them before a game starts that doesn't have some type of respect for their game. Pie told echo echo that she would hydra with him before I did, so we didn't.

I don't think that someone who asks someone to hydra with them tries to bait them or insults their interpretive skills (I missed the vote, I'm sure I made it abundantly clear that I'm drinking wine and am joking with Oil Tycoons right now) so I think that the response to me is indicative of a scum role pm.

I could be being sensitive to general asshattery though and i acknowledge that. They're still probably scum because I don't think that;s how someone interacts with someone they asked to hydra with them.

[Tammy]

I'm not pissed though; I think it's weird.

[Tammy]

I don't think that someone who asks someone to hydra with them tries to bait them or insults their interpretive skills (I missed the vote, I'm sure I made it abundantly clear that I'm drinking wine and am joking with Oil Tycoons right now) so I think that the response to me is indicative of a scum role pm.

Why would she do it if she was scum?

You know what, this makes me feel weird about you. You know and have acknowledged that scum attack me for weird ass reasons.

Like what is so fucking, flipping, bleeping hard about answering a simple question.

Oh but I guess it's cool and so town because it was an insult to me at the end.

[Tammy]

Like and why couldn't they point it out? Where I had missed it. Obviously I hadn't seen that or where, but yeah, no I'm a jackass because I got insulted. It's my fault. yay me.

[Tammy]

Like and why couldn't they point it out? Where I had missed it. Obviously I hadn't seen that or where, but yeah, no I'm a jackass because I got insulted. It's my fault. yay me.

I never said you were a jackass because you got insulted.
I said I didn't think that Echo was scum for insulting you; I think the insult happened because of personality things and not because of alignment things because I don't see a reason for her to insult you that provides any sort of advantage to her for either alignment.

Well of course you're going to like them, they're budding the fuck out of you by insulting me so it's a win win in your eyes.

[Tammy]

I'm townreading PN.

Tammy you're drunk. Go to bed.

I'm not even drunk but awesome awesome way to try to bridge whatever communication gap there could be. BRAVO.

SO TOWN.

OIL TYCOONS YOU'RE SO RIGHT

[Tammy]

But you're dismissing me and I wish you wouldn't dismiss me so quickly.

Let's say if I were in the signups of a game and I asked a couple people to hydra with me, i'd do that because I wanted to play with said people at some level. You tend to have some respect for their play or some familiarity with their play.

I was being completely playful with you, you had trolled me about being old and I had joked about you being illiterate, she responded in kind on your side. Yes, I missed the Fluff vote but she also misinterpreted what I asked in insulting me. I think the response in kind was to be on your side because both heads of the hydra if they're scum and you're town would want to be on your side. Because otherwise why not just answer the question I asked? I didn't pick up on the vote they made, but regardless even if I had my next question would have been where did they see that occurring because it wasn't something I picked up on.

Since that head of the hydra had asked me to hydra which would suggest an experience with how I played, and seeing that most of my game to this point was playing around - or why tell me I'm drunk and to go to bed??? - why not answer my question or enter into a conversation about it with me? They've jumped onto the largest wagon and now have been given an excuse not to answer for any of it because I'm crazy or drunk or whatever.

It just sucks and everyone is excusing their behavior and if they end up being scum here. HELL FIRE.

[Tammy]

I very strongly feel this is one of your "I'm pissed at someone and thus scumreading them" reads.

Also if you're town here can you please not start off the game discrediting me which just invalidates any thought I have, which is especially followed up by echo's claim that I'm just drunk.

I'm not pissed, i was never pissed, but it's incredibly disheartening to have my thoughts thrown away like that.

I mean like fuck, i think I came way way way closer to having a pissed read at zar/empire in team mafia and you didn't just write off.

[Tammy]

The echo slot is buddying you.

And that's not what happened.

vote: Fluff Central

I don't like the attempt at discrediting town reads on Kamikagami because he outed role information in his previous scum game, for a few reasons. The only reason he even played that way as scum was because he decided to go balls out yolo and do something insane just for the sake of doing something insane. Kamikagami's is also fundamentally different from his play in that game in that her information serves to clear people whereas his didn't, which is more likely to come from town than scum as scum usually don't go searching for ways people can potentially be cleared. I don't believe he'd think what Kamikagami did was the same thing he did in that game, and I don't believe he'd Kamikagami, or anyone else for that matter, would do the same thing he did in that game in any other game.

Who has done this?

The post was made by pie. This is Echo speaking.

That's not what I was asking. I was asking who was discrediting town reads on kamikagami cuz....

...

Did you not see the vote on Fluff Central?

Maybe you need to learn some interpretation skills of your own.

OOOOOOOOOOOH

There's a badass in our midst.

OOOOOOOOOOOOH

If I would have caught the vote, i would have asked where they did this.

They didn't quote where not science discredited kagami, they said he did. I missed the vote on Fluff due to this, but it doesn't take away I was trying to figure out what they were talking about.

I didn't get to ask echo to clarify where fluff had done this because I'm the drunk asshole too stupid to realize what he's talking about and should go to bed and because she's buddying you because she didn't realize I was joking with you she decided to get on your side about it, I'm in the wrong.

[Tammy]

So, Kyruko Network if you could point out where Fluff is doing what you're accusing him of that would be great.

UNVOTE:

[Tammy]

You might not have said that explicitly but you gave credence to it the moment you said my interpretation of her behavior was because I was pissed, when I wasn't pissed. And i wasn't pissed, not in the slightest. I'm a bit frustrated now, but then, no.

Notice that she didn't tell me I was drunk and should go to bed until after you told me that my interpretation of her actions was because I was pissed.

And now she doesn't have to step in and answer anything because you said I interpreted her behavior as scummy because I was pissed when i wasn't.

[Tammy]

And I just kinda want to know what the fuck is the deal with you any way. Isn't part of your bread and butter pushing people for reactions to get reads? Like I just don't understand why you wouldn't even let someone react, especially when you;re not even town reading them as you say, to get a better read on them.

What the fuck was the point of you jumping in to discredit that with a "oh you're having a pissed read" at the start of the game anyway???

[Tammy]

And I just kinda want to know what the fuck is the deal with you any way. Isn't part of your bread and butter pushing people for reactions to get reads? Like I just don't understand why you wouldn't even let someone react, especially when you;re not even town reading them as you say, to get a better read on them.

What the fuck was the point of you jumping in to discredit that with a "oh you're having a pissed read" at the start of the game anyway???

When your push is on someone for insulting you, it feels like you're pushing back on them because you're frustrated. I interjected because 1) you ask me to tell you when I think your push is off most of the time but apparently this is no longer the case and 2) because I thought you were mad and I didn't want you to be mad.

nonononononononononononononono

telling me when a push I'm making is off is perfectly fine and I will always want that from you, but

in this case you did it before they had a chance to respond to me and my suspicions, which completely invalidating and discredited me allowing echo to just tell me I was drunk and to go to bed. you cut off completely by saying I was pissed off, when I wasn't, which made any interaction I was about to have completely null and void. This is different from when I go off on a tangent and decide someone is scum for silly reasons, and YOU'RE NOT EVEN TOWN READING THE SLOT SO WHY IN THE SEVEN FUCKING HELLS WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO SEE HER REACTION TO ME REGARDLESS?

I wasn't mad I was perplexed.

[Tammy]

but thank you for not wanting me to be mad

[Tammy]

Tammy please say you're not scum with Grandpa Oil please.

Im not scum with anyone.

[Tammy]

in this case you did it before they had a chance to respond to me and my suspicions, which completely invalidating and discredited me allowing echo to just tell me I was drunk and to go to bed.

echo could have done this without me saying that i thought you were pissed off

She might not have.

you cut off completely by saying I was pissed off, when I wasn't, which made any interaction I was about to have completely null and void.

i don't understand how you saying "I'm not pissed off" didn't fix this

it still feels like it set the tone.

This is different from when I go off on a tangent and decide someone is scum for silly reasons,

how?
you focusing on echo's insult was going off on a tangent because it was probably not alignment indicative.

Her reaction to my suspicion could have been telling.

YOU'RE NOT EVEN TOWN READING THE SLOT SO WHY IN THE SEVEN FUCKING HELLS WOULDN'T YOU WANT TO SEE HER REACTION TO ME REGARDLESS?

i didn't think the interaction was going to be productive because i thought it was going to be more of a fight/argument than you picking up on a tell and pushing it.

I don't understand this. Like we might not know how she might have reacted or who pieguyn might have reacted when she came in here and how the slot could have been read from that. It didn't even get there.

[Tammy]

I mean I realize that sometimes early game I have emotional pushes that don't go anywhere or I think that someone is scum trying to bait me or whatever but it does stem from a place where scum have pushed before and it's not me going completely insane and I think I'm somewhat equipped enough to realize that it's not always the case that these types of things will be scum motivated and I'm thankful that you recognize where my weak parts are and can help to ferret them out and help to sort out the scum from the town but it is frustrating when it feels like I'm being completely shut down before I can really realize how I feel about what's going on and if the things I think are odd/weird/suspicious have any merit.

[Tammy]

Nacho - I’m sorry I got pissy with you last night. You thought I was mad and had a mad read and you didn’t want that coloring my view of the game. Thank you for that. I really wasn’t mad though, and you couldn't know that my suspicion of them had been piqued before that. I realize I didn't say this at the time, though I think I explained it a bit last night, but my suspicion regarding that stemmed from what looked like soft-buddying of you more than it was me being offended.

Notty - A couple things. You asked me last night when I voted you why I voted you without pushing you even though I had been grilling OT. You didn’t answer my question where I was grilling OT. Also did you really not realize why I voted you? I think it was obviously a joke vote since you claimed scum and I thanked you for the scum claim. Your response on that is weird. Also, do you really have a town read on Nacho? You? This early???

Kurecho - I did respond to 286, but I really don’t understand why you asked it in the first place. It felt like a throwaway question and one designed to kind of buddy Nacho. Being illiterate has nothing to do with not interpreting a typographical error anymore than my age has to do with me using the word “guffaw”. He was trolling me and I joked back in response; I think that is pretty clear if you’re following the conversation. I think if you’re scum that Nacho is someone you would want on your good side, so that’s what it felt like you were doing there.

Yes, I have a reputation for obvtowning, though I’d argue that over the past year that’s gotten a bit spotty, but that doesn’t mean that scum don’t attack me. I’m also easy to distract and sometimes get emotional which makes it easy to discredit my thoughts at times. I try to do better but I suck at it sometimes.

I’ve had scum attack me lots of times. Scum have tunneled on me because they think it makes them look town. Scum have used fake paranoia on me. Scum have soft-pushed me. Scum have attacked me for weird ass reasons. Scum have attacked me simply because it gave them something to do. In Tales of Vesperia, the entire scum team attacked me day one. So, no it’s not a town tell to attack me, especially when I think the “attack” stemmed from you trying to show Nacho you were on his side.

(I’m not sure if there’s anything else I wanted to respond to in this. The site’s down, so when I get a chance to reread over what I read this morning, I’ll get to it then.)

Syryana - IT’S OKAY! We can dance later, but I will be sober!

Bins - Do you typically do reads lists on the entire player list within the first 24 hours of a large?

Anen - I’ll echo wisdom’s question. What about me is very different? Also, if I’m the scummiest person according to you, why aren’t you voting me?

[Tammy]

I'll be here waiting for you Tammy! Check out my new dancin skillz!

I'm impressed! Im in the midst of getting ready, but I can dance some for a little while!

[Tammy]

I think that Tammy is obvtowning, but it still has something about it that could be faked to me.

heh.

[Tammy]

oh yeah Tammy what did you think of Bert's posts around the time of our argument? It seemed to me a really town Bert thing to do to ramble on about his paranoia of me while we were fighting, has good progression because he asked you about your read on me earlier I think. I especially liked the part where he accused me of placating and reassuring him when he got defensive.

I'll have to go back and reread it.

[Tammy]

Zelink - you aren't the only one eagerly curious how long you're going to keep up that gimmick. I'm hoping not long though! Unless you make me laugh. I can handle annoying if it's funny at least!

[Tammy]

Notty - A couple things. You asked me last night when I voted you why I voted you without pushing you even though I had been grilling OT. You didn’t answer my question where I was grilling OT. Also did you really not realize why I voted you? I think it was obviously a joke vote since you claimed scum and I thanked you for the scum claim. Your response on that is weird. Also, do you really have a town read on Nacho? You? This early???

1) I'm not sure what I was thinking of, I'll go look back. I didn't mean like "purge him with the fire of 1000 holy suns" but it seemed like you were rather dedicated to it and the switch off of sizing him up to me bothered me.

2) I understand it was a joke. My hangup is that, and I will go back and try to get quotes for you with what actually made me feel that way, you seemed to back off from sizing him up to a weak joke vote on me.

3) I moreso had a townread on Syry. And I wasn't exactly going to come out and say it in-thread >_>.

What makes you think I couldn't continue talking to nacho with a joke vote on you.

Which posts of syry were you town Reading?

[Tammy]

oh yeah Tammy what did you think of Bert's posts around the time of our argument? It seemed to me a really town Bert thing to do to ramble on about his paranoia of me while we were fighting, has good progression because he asked you about your read on me earlier I think. I especially liked the part where he accused me of placating and reassuring him when he got defensive.

Yeah I agree. He was more engaged at the time than I remember him being. And his interactions with both of us, though not a lot, come off more natural than the last couple times he was scum. I also liked his interaction with Luna during that whole thing.

[Tammy]

Bins is here at last and has about an hour!


Engage her!

Hello Bins. Welcome to the game.

Please leave your thoughts and reads on the following players:

[Tammy, Oil Tycoons, Wall of Fire, Zelink2, Luna Fox, Wisdom.]

Do ask any questions and I will do my best to answer them in a timely manner.

I would love to hear your input.

Why'd you ask about those specific players?

[Tammy]

Please continue to post irrelevant bullshit in response to being caught. I'll wait for the other players to follow my lead, and you shall be forced to night kill me, failing which, the rest of your team will go insane and crumble as I pick out their brains one by one.

I'm trying to decide how I feel about this response to wisdom.

[Tammy]

Please continue to post irrelevant bullshit in response to being caught. I'll wait for the other players to follow my lead, and you shall be forced to night kill me, failing which, the rest of your team will go insane and crumble as I pick out their brains one by one.

I'm trying to decide how I feel about this response to wisdom.

Talk it out with me then.

I will. I have to leave soon, so let me think about it while showering and then maybe I can explain it in a few.

[Tammy]

Kurecho - I'm sorry for outing who I thought you were. That was in really bad form. It's not an insult to think you were elusive though, as I enjoyed playing with her in zodiac.

Syry - it will probably have to wait until later. I need to leave in a few minutes. I also kinda want to see what they say when they come back. So, later!

[Tammy]

Notty - A couple things. You asked me last night when I voted you why I voted you without pushing you even though I had been grilling OT. You didn’t answer my question where I was grilling OT. Also did you really not realize why I voted you? I think it was obviously a joke vote since you claimed scum and I thanked you for the scum claim. Your response on that is weird. Also, do you really have a town read on Nacho? You? This early???

1) I'm not sure what I was thinking of, I'll go look back. I didn't mean like "purge him with the fire of 1000 holy suns" but it seemed like you were rather dedicated to it and the switch off of sizing him up to me bothered me.

2) I understand it was a joke. My hangup is that, and I will go back and try to get quotes for you with what actually made me feel that way, you seemed to back off from sizing him up to a weak joke vote on me.

3) I moreso had a townread on Syry. And I wasn't exactly going to come out and say it in-thread >_>.

What makes you think I couldn't continue talking to nacho with a joke vote on you.

Which posts of syry were you town Reading?

I do want this answered.

I keep coming back to this. Most of my interactions were with Nacho last night, and I never stopped interacting with him, so yeah I do want you to go back and talk about why you thought I was grilling him (considering my interactions with him were up to this point lighthearted and joking) and where I backed off such that you thought me putting a joke vote on you interrupted my joking around with Nacho.

I also really want you to point out why you were town reading them and what posts of syry gave you that opinion because your town read of nacho feels too early and too easy coming from you. That concerns me.

OOOPS

[Tammy]

I can't tell if Zelink is actually concerned about me or joking about it. I don't think that for one second he's actually concerned about me, especially not for the things he's said, so if that's serious, I'd be pretty concerned about him in a not oh my god you suck fashion.

The OOOOOOOOOOh in response to Luna was me catching what she was referring to in being concerned. Understanding what she meant is where I thought she was probably town.

[Tammy]

Hi!

[Tammy]

Though it should be noted that I legitimately find his confirm post scummy.

Are you a ring?

Did you know why I asked this?

[Tammy]

Okay, before I'm off to work, I want to do something useful.
Erm,

Do you understand, do you know what she means – as time goes by and when you've seen what she's seen...
ME
Well, she looked at me, and I, I could see that before too long

you

'd fall in love with her. She wouldn't dance with another. Whoooooh!

If that thingy has meant nothing to you, don't worry! I'm pretty sure that I'm holding one of the weakest PRs in this game and these lines may be useful for someone, somewhere... now or in the near future.

Was this song sent to you?

[Tammy]

Honestly the whole thing with the kamigami discredit from fluff still sits wrong for me, and although some of the posts fluff has made that i could come and see from a town PoV that one post is just like whyyy.

I have a couple issues with Fluff, but I'm not seeing the kamigami discredit at all.

[Tammy]

where am i pushing you exactly, pie? because you know, for a push to be weak, it has to be a push first.

So, you're claiming that you're not pushing us, yet your vote is on us.

Are you fucking serious?

I feel like this is goign to get into another debate on what the word "push" or "attack" means to you verses what it means to someone else, and gosh wasn't that fun the last time?

[Tammy]

Though it should be noted that I legitimately find his confirm post scummy.

Are you a ring?

Did you know why I asked this?

[Tammy]

Also last night I read kamigami's post about the setup stuff as there were subtitles that led them to believe x,y,z and then looked for subtitles in my role pm and was bummed there weren't any. Today I realized I misread the word and it was subtleties. I really am completely dumb sometimes.

[Tammy]

Okay, before I'm off to work, I want to do something useful.

(blah, blah... I've edited my own quote)

Was this song sent to you?

No. Had it been, I wouldn't have been allowed to quote it, would I?
Besides, that's not

a

song.

They're not lyrics to "I saw her standing there"?

[Tammy]

Someone disagreeing with or scum reading me doesn't in any way preclude me pushing them.

I thought you town read ffery/nacho in forest fire primarily because he pointed out that you, as town, have a tendency to push back and scum read people who scum read you. Am i misinterpreting that?

[Tammy]

The fact that ZeL isn't even addressing recent posts either makes it confirmed a PR or confirmed he's just fucking with us.

Are you referencing his comical style of writing, or the fact that he's wall posting page by page? I skimmed through a past game of his and it seems wall posting is unique to this game.

He's a newb and trying to find his way.

Why did you choose him to meta?

[Tammy]

Muki - How much experience do you have overall?

~~~

Also, guys, if you read zelink's walls he says it's a gimmick. it's not a post restriction.

[Tammy]

I don't really see anything that I strongly associate with his scumplay. I don't think your point is especially compelling, and it seems like his initial vote was to feel out something that he developed a stronger opinion on based on your response.

I think the sheer fact he's done nothing and needs to "feel out" something in the first place is indicative of his scum play. In my experience with him as town, he doesn't hesitate to latch onto the smallest thing as soon as he sees it and start hard pushing it. As just the most recent example, AP's micro where he pushed ETL straight out the gate based on what he perceived as a PT slip; it was fairly obvious that he was attempting to convince people of what he saw and attempting to get as many votes on her as possible. As another, Touhou Makai where me and him strongarmed the shit out of everything the majority of the game.

From what I've seen, that kind of play is what is most definitive of his town game. On the other hand, his scum game is drastically more passive and reactive, and when he *does* push something, it feels half-hearted, as if he's just doing it for the sake of doing it. I think that if he was town here, and had an "unsure" read on us, there would be a lot more active questioning of our posts and there'd be a far more noticeable effort to attempt to refine the read other way. What he did here was park his vote on us, despite apparently not even thinking we were scum (which he did say), and then leave said vote there without any engagement with us the entire time until I came in and started pushing him. The only attempt to sort through us was 397, which he doesn't seem to be pushing anymore and hasn't seemed to reach a conclusion on either way. Which, surprise, reads more like he's pushing stuff for the sake of it rather than actually believing what we're saying.

I also don't really feel comfortable saying that scum are sitting there because they have no idea how to react to my wagon; I think if scum saw a significant amount of early suspicion on me, they would be perfectly fine with jumping on it. I also think there's still a fair amount of people who haven't had much of a chance to catch up in full and develop an opinion either way on it.

Supposing that you're correct to say my wagon is town driven and scum have no idea how to react to it, who would you be looking at for scum?

What about swagtown where he just kinda soft pushed me and put out feelers though?

[Tammy]

I was doing this tonight:

[Tammy]

The fact that ZeL isn't even addressing recent posts either makes it confirmed a PR or confirmed he's just fucking with us.

Are you referencing his comical style of writing, or the fact that he's wall posting page by page? I skimmed through a past game of his and it seems wall posting is unique to this game.

He's a newb and trying to find his way.

Why did you choose him to meta?

Are you saying Zelink is a newb? He has a high post count to be a newb .

It was an on-the-spot decision because I was curious to see whether his play style is always like this, wall posting and all, or if it's a post restriction.

Regardless, I'm going to have to meta a lot of people.. not only because I'm unfamiliar with all, but also because my role demands that I garner as much knowledge about the players as I can so I can make a proper decision.

He only joined in March of this year; therefore, he's a newb. Besides only newbs respond to every single post.

[Tammy]

Furthermore, what is your actual read on Fluff? I see much waffling. I dislike waffling.

>_>

[Tammy]

Kurecho confirmed for not having a sense of humor BUT that post furthers my concern of her buddying Nacho as nacho made a 2015 joke and she ignored that.

[Tammy]

Tammy decides to decline my invitation. Oh well.

it was four in the morning. I went to sleep.

Also, you keep claiming that i didn't respond to 286, but i did:

What does illiteracy have to do with interpretation of a typographical error?

Who are you asking a question about?

It didn't seem like a joke, and I went back and reread after you claimed it a joke and it still doesn't read that way to me.

[Tammy]

In later posts you indicate that you know me and have played with me, but Nacho and I trolling each other or just poking at each other is pretty standard, so your posts in that feel weird in that regard.

I don't find the fluff central "discrediting" kamigami as a very strong tell at all. In general I find expecting other people to word things how you want them to be worded extremely weak in determining alignment, and him saying that kagami shouldn't be townread based on her opening isn't at all discrediting the town read. I'm not town reading fluff central by any stretch of the imagination, but I think this is a really weak point. However, I do think that it's possible that Nacho and notscience are neighbors and that maaaaaaybe why the early weird town read that makes no sense whatsoever coming from notscience and why he keeps dodging me asking why the hell he's got a town read there, so if that's the case there could be a bit of a false positive on my concern about notscience, and even so I'd really expect him to be way more wary of nacho than he's displayed as of yet.

[Tammy]

Tammy, we currently have WoF in the town-leany range. Do you think we should upgrade them?

I've been kind of contemplating them. I'd like for them to be town and I'm a bit interested in what zelink has to say about them when he starts getting serious or when I can start believing what he's saying.

I do have a slight concern that ceph made a caveat of concern on me that my reaction could be faked because the last time we were town together he was paranoid of me for not showing enough emotion, and when he was scum in We the Purple his hydra floated constant soft-suspicion and concern on me. So because I'm completely self-absorbed the caveat kinda of bothers me or I'm at least watching it a little.

[Tammy]

Yeah you might be right about them being neighbors
But, in past games notty liked to call nacho town I think even without a strong townread, maybe. Idk

This reminds me of that game where me and ALbert Rampage were masons and you kept asking me again and again why I'm townreading ABR and vice versa.

The possibility of masons crossed my mind for a sec, but I don't think there are masons in this game, their interactions don't suggest masons, so that's not right.

Notty has grown more paranoid of nacho in the past couple years and we all just got done playing swag wars together in which nacho was scum. I'd have to look back to see if notty was fooled by nacho, but it's something I'd expect for him to keep in mind, but he's talking to Nacho as though he believes nacho to be town without reservation.

[Tammy]

Ceph was so much more whiny/pouty in that Purple game. It was so weird.

I actually read so little of that game. For a good part of the game I would search our name to see if anyone had a question for me to respond to and that was it.

[Tammy]

Mastin seems like she has lost confidence or something, her posting tone seems so flat

Edit yeah WE remember the name now. Once upon a winter night. You got the setup spec correct, but weren't engaged per se

Ah, yeah, I'm pretty proud of myself for the setup spec there

As far as my engagement, yeah, my engagement levels have been pretty spotty for about the past year now, especially early game.

[Tammy]

re: nacho and ns.

You were asking about something earlier, tammy, that I was recently digging around about while thinking about WoF. It seems reasonably possible that OT decided to roleplay and that ns wanted to be lazy.

Yeah, that's cool. I was just a bit concerned that he seemed to write him off as town more quickly than he should. I'd think that even if he was being lazy and not wanting to push somewhere that he wouldn't also have that read as it is.

[Tammy]

I don't really think I was snowed by nacho in that game.

I've already gone over why I'm townreading the slot- Syry looked like popcorn mafia syry. It's not based on Nacho at all, which we've gone over.

Yes, you said that but when I asked you which posts of syry's were town to you, you didn't respond.

[Tammy]

I will get to talk to you one of these days, Tammy. One of these days.

I'm around for a few minutes until I pass out if you are. I'd love to get your take on the wall of fire hydra.

[Tammy]

My main problem with the kuroko network is what feels like they're talking out both sides of their mouth and engaging in too much semantic bullshit. (I'm going off of memory of what I read this morning and am dealing with rl shit right now and just want to get this out before I forget what's been bugging me, so if I'm wrong or am misremembering, well then.)

ANYWAY, Pie's posts about what constitutes a push are pure semantic bullshit; she already got into this argument with regfan in forest fire, so it feels regurgitated and serves no purpose other than noise. The wisdom push is meh to the 10th factor. I have no idea what wisdom is at this point, but the argument from their end is trash in most regards. Who bleeping cares if someone is not voting a scum read in the first 48 hours of a game. I can't count how many games in which I've jumped on a wagon just because at the start of a game, so that argument is weak. It's like hey wisdom you just got to the party and I see you haven't gotten out of your car yet, but why the hell aren't you already winning at beer pong??? And do I remember someone saying he didn't even give town reads? Because as far as I remember, one of the first things he did was give out a few town reads.

The read on fluff central feels all over the place. The last thing I read regarding the not science discredit of kamigami was that she recognized it wasn't a strong point. WTH? This might be where i'm misremembering because I think if you're going to go so far as to point out how different people worded their disagreement with the kami town read and suggest that fluff did it in a scum motivated worded way, then you pretty much think you've got a strong point. So that felt weird.

Their approach to Zelink also feels weird. Pie said that she likes and understands zelink's points, but she also expressed a town read on me, but zelink has spent a good portion of time suspecting me AND them, so why is she all good with zelink's contribution?

Pro hawk pointed out that they hadn't answered a question I asked, and Pie was just like oh but you agree it was obvious who I was saying discredited kamigami. Yes, thank you peanut gallery for actually missing what was important. Yes, it should have been obvious who you were talking about. I missed the vote, which I've already made clear. If I hadn't have missed the vote, I'd have asked the question WHERE they were discrediting the town read on kamigami because I didn't agree that anyone was.

Please continue to post irrelevant bullshit in response to being caught. I'll wait for the other players to follow my lead, and you shall be forced to night kill me, failing which, the rest of your team will go insane and crumble as I pick out their brains one by one.

But this felt somewhat townish because it's kinda rare to find cheeky scum who taunt and sound confident in mislynching someone.

Anyway, not a fan, but not sure if I just think it's scum or I'm just absolutely hating their approach this game because I think it runs counter to town's interest.

[Tammy]

Tammy what are your thoughts on me?

I like this question!

My main problem with you was you giving a town read to nacho hydra before I thought you naturally would. And when asked about it, you were like oh I just liked syry's entry, which freaked me out because I wasn't sure how you would know to differentiate and thought that wasn't all that strong. So, I was concerned that you were giving a town read to nacho too early because you were scum and thought you should and didn't really know how to express the paranoia you would normally have in a natural fashion. But I liked your posts last night in response to that, so I feel better.

The one thing that still bugs me a bit is why you got weirded out I voted you that first night. You had claimed scum and I voted you in response to that as a joke. I didn't feel like I was grilling nacho, per se, as much as I was just having fun. I wasn't particularly suspicious of oil tycoons at all and it was fun to joke around with nacho at the start of the game as a means of getting into the game and making sure I did feel good about them. I didn't stop sizing him up because I voted you. (It's possible I stepped away from mafiascum though as I was doing several things that night.) So, your response to the vote felt weird, and it's something that I still feel a bit wary about.

Though you made a post recently that said that the time for mislynching you was coming near an end and I really really liked that post.

[Tammy]

Tammy, what's your thoughts on Wisdom? I know you aren't a fan of his wagon, but as far as I can tell, you only have posted about him when it has some relationship to Kuroko.

I have absolutely no idea on Wisdom. Of my completed games with wisdom, I've seen him as town once? I think. That was Book of Shadows where he and a hydra of me and nacho caught mollie day one and then we both died that night.

I really have no idea how to read him this early at all.

[Tammy]

Some of my issues with zelink's play stems from his responses to me, which if they're trolling then haha cool, but if some of them are serious I'm gonna be

Some of his stuff feels nitpicky, like it feels like he's insinuating that it's alignment indicative that I didn't catch who Luna was referring to with the "maybe I was wrong" or that I missed Pie's vote on fluff central. He keeps wondering what my read on Oil Tycoons is, even though I thought it was clear I was leaning town there, while not wondering ever what their read on me is. Also, I feel a sense of the same thing to me that Pie is doing to wisdom, like in the first 12 hours of the game I was supposed to have great revelations and scum hunting or something.

So, I can't tell if he's trolling, but if he is I'd like it to stop. I'm really interested in his take on Wall of Fire, and I can't tell if I should be taking some of his snarky suspicion as serious or not in that regard. Though if he's serious, a part of me hopes he continues to waste his time focusing on me as I would find it relatively funny, except for the fact that I really do want his input on Wall of Fire and I want to be able to take it seriously.

There is a part of me who thinks he could be employing the same tactic that Angry Pidgeon did in Tales of You in constantly throwing suspicion my way in order to cause a distraction or have something to do.

[Tammy]

Wis, why did you share your townread of tammy?

Why did you ask this question and why were you just interested in the town read of me? He gave more than one towered:

caught up, though I skimmed most parts.

Tammy and Luna are town. Nacho is probably town. So is ns most likely.

VOTE: kuroko

btw Echo Echo asked me to hydra as well, but I refused. I'm pretty sure I know who he is, too.

[Tammy]

What I don't like is Kuroko treating Tammy like town while at the same time saying he isn't sure about her alignment all while ignoring her question about how Fluff was discrediting anyone.

VOTE: Kuroko

Comfortable vote.

P-EDIT: As one who can't stand the posting style of ZeLink, I would be more than happy to help clean up the thread with a policy there.

Hello Prohawk, welcome to the game. I see you have decided to catch my attention with this nice little vote here. I'd like to clarify that the question about how Fluff was discrediting anyone was directed to my other head, which had been replied to if you had read further in the thread. Your conclusion is wrong because the scenario you have presented is not appropriate for this specific context of the game. It is specifically beneficial to treat Tammy like town unless there is reason to do so otherwise, because there are certain caveats that can be detrimental to the bigger picture of the gamestate if, as Tammy has pointed out, one "attacks" or "demeans" her in a manner that makes her feel uncomfortable. As evidenced by an innocent comment sparking a moderately large ruckus that was only mitigated by Oil Tycoon's placating, my refusal to encourage the action, and a good night's rest. Furthermore, it is simply good manners to treat fellow players as "innocent unless proven guilty" in order to promote the sharing of ideas and cooperation which is vital for eliminating the game of actual scum. Next, I stated a town lean on Tammy, so "isn't sure about her alignment all" is incorrect.

Your reasoning is valid however, and that is a good sign. The implication that one is treating another like town almost as if they have inside knowledge of that player's alignment is certainly something to be suspicious of. However, your premises are wrong in this case and the scenario you have presented is not reflective of the game given its surrounding context.

Good effort though, for someone who has not fully read the game. You are now a townread.

More buddying of Nacho!

And considering that Prohawk!scum has both written a pretty good case about how deceitful I am when I was town and tried to get me lynched AND has also as scum called me town to get me on his side, I can safely say that Prohawk has a decent understanding of me and how he as scum can interact with me.

This just so you know completely betrays your "oh I'm an alt and I knew you were joking/trolling with each other and I wouldn't have come across as such a creep if I were on my main...yada yada yada"

[Tammy]

Still alive Tammy?

I am! Might not be for much longer if this medicine kicks in.

[Tammy]

Wall of Fire read, in brief, is that I like Ceph but not mastin. Furthermore, I like Ceph less after the scummy pointout then threadvanish.

Ergo, nullish? Scum lean if you made me draw sandy lines n shit.

Mastin has been lacking in that thing that makes him mastin. I don't think I'm great at reading Ceph this early. I pegged him right in Smite, but that was him as a replace-in while I was scum reading his predecessor. I'm not sure that him vanishing is that concerning though as I think he doesn't post over the weekend these days?

Anyway, they're on my mind and I want to have them figured out.

[Tammy]

sorry mastin.

[Tammy]

Which reads and why? (tho kuroko is obvious)

We prefer not to discuss this at this time.

Tammy, wanna plop yer vote on someone or talk about some other people or...?

I'm still thinking.

What do you guys think of NS hydra?

I'm deciding on whether or not I want to join you on kuroko. like I have definite issues, and echo is claiming to know town me and scum me but clearly has absolutely no idea how to interact with me or talk to me which suggest that either they don't know anything about me or they're trying to figure out how to interact with me and failing at it which might suggest unnatural scum? IDK.

I do want mastin/ceph sorted out though.

Do you find it interesting that this game seems to have some music themes to it?

[Tammy]

You continually ignoring me because my name seems unfamiliar to you is actually your fault.

I have responded to you more than once. I am ignoring you tonight because your responses to me are more snarky than they are "reachouts". I don't ignore people because I don't recognize their names. There's a reason I inherently disagree with town blocks. I kinda feel like I'm being baited by you, and wrong or right, I have a lot of shit going on right now and I don't want to deal with it if that's what it is. I'd much rather get out my thoughts and opinions on what I can remember that I've read the past couple days and be productive.

[Tammy]

Do you find it interesting that this game seems to have some music themes to it?

Huh?

Just double checking!

[Tammy]

Notscience - Why are you guys on the fence about me?

[Tammy]

She was. I came around to you being town.

I forgot to ask- what are your thoughts on this hood?

IDK. I'm in favor of outing hoods that are started pre-game or are begun early day one as ever since WinCon I've found that neighborhoods tend to create these weird relationships that seep into the game and often times make reads difficult, but that's more for neighborhoods that are talking during the day as I know in Winter's Night I certainly didn't out my neighborhood as I was looking to see if I could find clues for scum in my neighborhood in the game. That might sound confusing but in WinCon, I noticed a weird relationship between shadoweh and empire and him town reading her for no reason at all which made me super paranoid of him until he outed the neighborhood and those interactions and read made so much more sense.

I love neighborhoods though, and I'm not in that neighborhood so I don't know how the possible eavesdropper thing is worded, but I mean I'd say if you do talk in your neighborhood obviously don't role claim, and I'd think if there was role that could kill a certain elements then it would be limited, so the act of posting in there might not be that harmful anyway.

So, yeah, that was a lot of words to say I don't know. :/

[Tammy]

You do realize I've been posting more than Nacho this game, right?

well, monster, you are no longer as delightfully cheeky because it sure seems like it has been the Nacho show! who tamed you?

Nobody tames the Syr. I just don't play every game like it's popcorn.

[Tammy]

Syr - Are you saying I outclevered you in the .gif race, cuz I'll take it.

Oh I forgot to mention why I might even be leaning town on Medea. I agree they objectively haven't done anything at all for the game, but there's an underlying tone that I think is more consistent with cabd's town game, but again, markers I think I have them and we shall see what they do in the coming days.

[Tammy]

Tammy, you saw how adamant I was in swag that pie misreading me=pie scum. I'm really rather bothered that she hasn't caught on that I'm town yet.

I would sure as hell be capable of town reading you and buddying the fuck out of you if I was scum.

What does scum-me have to gain by doing this? Like, call it self-meta or whatever the fuck you want, but seriously.

[Tammy]

So what I'm working with right now:

Town is in: Oil Tycoons, Luna Fox, Fluff Central, Perpetual Nonsense and maybe Kamigami and Medea

Not exactly sure on a scum read right now though.

[Tammy]

Kamigami should probably be raised to an actual town read and is only a maybe town read for some probable ripples from serum and steel though. Anyway I'll be looking out for what Nati has termed the Kagami tell just to be sure.

[Tammy]

Well now people can see why I thought some of zelink's suspicion about me was him trolling. Also am more interested in him discussing wall of fire.

zelinkman - I'm not going to go back to your wall to address your points, so if I miss something *shrug*. I'm also not going to waste a bunch of my time defending myself to what looks like something you're building up to continue with. You can feel free to continue to waste your time picking apart everything about me as soooooo unbelievable. But:

You quoted a post in which Oil Tycoons said I had already obvtowned, then you wanted to know what they thought.

You don't have any understanding of how I think as scum if you think I go "oh I have a reputation for reacting to an attack on me, so I'll fake that." I do think about how I would react as town, but as scum I far more tend to react in the moment. The fact is I call far more people town who attack me than scum. And considering that my suspicion was based on their interaction in which they "attacked" me being rooted in buddying nacho, I don't know how you're coming to the conclusion I'm trying to reconstruct attacking someone who attacked me and this whole line of suspicion feels fake. Because congratulations for recognizing that I wasn't pissed in that suspicion post. If I didn't seem pissed, it's because I wasn't. I was confused at how echo was interjecting himself into the joking between nacho and me. I didn't vote there because I didn't think it was a humongously strong point, and I was trying to work out my thoughts there. I don't have a strong scum read there and never said I did. There's a bunch I don't like about their play, but Im not sure it comes from scum.

I think it's weird that you got after me for asking anen why he wasn't voting me even though I don't have a vote down. I think it's pretty clear that I was referring to him not voting me while expressing I was his scummiest read. (Although I suppose you could have missed that part and far be it from me to get all haughty that someone missed a sentence or a reference no matter how obvious it is )

I'll let nacho reply to your oh no she didn't about my interaction with him that night. i don't think the interaction comes from me as scum because I don't think I'd have that suspicion of kuroko as scum and I doubt I'd end up getting frustrated about it. But! I'll let him tell you why you're wrong wrong wrong.

As far as the have I used a buddying argument before which I think is pretty dumb and makes me feel like the time Mollie told me a particular argument was not in my toolbox and therefore I was scum for using an argument I've never used before...think malakittens has done a similar thing to me, like I can't possibly believe something if I've never done it before and it's something that feels weird coming from you, but I digress. The two times I can think of off the top of my head are flavorless mafia in which upon replacing in I correctly identified Junpei as scum and tried to convince Slaxx that the only reason he was town reading Junpei was because he had been buddying him and that Slaxx was susceptible to buddying. In Black Flag, I accused the Tierce/Vi hydra of buddying some other player to get him on their side and Vi tried to call me scum for it because only scum use the buddying excuse except they were scum and i was right. I guess I could have been wrong about the buddying attempt but it sure did look like it.

I think that was all. If you ask me something that feels like you actually believe it, I'll respond, but most of this feels like trolling or like it's designed to cause a distraction or look busy by attacking me. And in that regard, I feel like I can sum up all I have to say in one phrase: I'm town, suck it.

[Tammy]

the amount of meta babble in this game is too damn high

I agree, it makes me feel lost.

you think all of their posts are unfakeable?

Tone, timing, emotion, all of those read townie.

Pieguy just got done fooling people who play with her quit often because she "couldn't fake that level of emotion."

However,

What's your read on OT?

I like Syr's posts on a surface level, even though the read on me is horribly, horribly wrong.

My overall read at this point, however, will be pretty much deterministically influenced by what Nacho does when he comes back into the game. The way he goes about this will, in all likelihood, be far more telling than anything they've done up to this point. (This isn't to say that him scum reading me would automatically make him scum, but if he pushes me and I have *ANY* reason to believe he's being disingenuous about it, I will turn the thread red and you will lynch the fuck out of him tomorrow after I flip town.)

This felt kinda town when I read it last night, though I'm sorta rethinking that right now as it doesn't feel as town as I remembered it.

[Tammy]

But this felt somewhat townish because it's kinda rare to find cheeky scum who taunt and sound confident in mislynching someone.

is it?

I think it tends to come from a certain type of player, and that type of player that delights in being scum and is confident in their abilities isn't very common.

[Tammy]

unvote;

Guy quoting every post is town. Ffery's given post restrictions in the past and I don't think she's that evil to give this restriction to scum.

Will post properly when I get home.

mod - I forgot to point this out earlier, but konowa unvoted zelink here.

Wrong formatting I guess.

[Tammy]

VOTE:

Z

eL1nK2 Muffinman
>Has a scumread on me.
>Is actually zMuffinman.
>I am town.
>Therefore, is scum.

This is a terrible reaction.

[Tammy]

But this felt somewhat townish because it's kinda rare to find cheeky scum who taunt and sound confident in mislynching someone.

is it?

I think it tends to come from a certain type of player, and that type of player that delights in being scum and is confident in their abilities isn't very common.

I suppose. I wouldn't run around making assumptions about someone who's an alt though.

Wasn't what I'm doing and what you're saying is basically saying that I'm not allowed to try to read the game.

[Tammy]

VOTE:

Z

eL1nK2 Muffinman
>Has a scumread on me.
>Is actually zMuffinman.
>I am town.
>Therefore, is scum.

This is a terrible reaction.

For those of you following along at home the reason this is a godawful reaction is it doesn't make any sense at all. This is Mastin's reaction because it came at 4:09 in the morning, and this is not how she should be reacting at all. She's trying to build on the "zmuffinman is the person who can read me best and since he's misreading me, he's scum" mindset. And part of this is true. zmuffin has been the person who can consistently read mastin when other people couldn't. There's a reason why I kept asking for zelink to stop trolling or whatever so that I could put some sort of confidence in the wall of fire read. Most of it was to help me read wall of fire and the other part was I thought it would help me read him.

So, mastin-town would have reasonable expectations of zelink town reading her, but this is not absolute. In serum and steel, muffin misread mastin. And the whole time muffin was misreading mastin, mastin was agreeing that she looked off and acknowledging why muffin would misread her. And in that game, Mastin looked way more town than she does here. Mastin has done none of the things that look town at all, and while some of ceph's posts look fine, he's not overwhelmingly town either.

She's not having the same sort of reaction I am, which is to wonder how much of zelink's are honestly scum reading or trolling or doing it for some other purpose, she immediately jumps to "muffin has expressed issues with me therefore he's scum!"

The reaction feels fake.

[Tammy]

VOTE: wall of fire

[Tammy]

oh, perhaps this cold medicine has drained away my sense of humor. I didn't even consider it could be a joke :/

[Tammy]

My vote on you doesn't bother you at all?

[Tammy]

Mastin - nacho and I both know that zelink is muffin though. Also, I felt like I was the number one scum read, which still felt off but!

[Tammy]

Iirc you were a bit underwhelming early day one during anything goes.

[Tammy]

Mastin - nacho and I both know that zelink is muffin though. Also, I felt like I was the number one scum read, which still felt off but!

Which is why I thought he was trolling or just trying to give himself something to do. He would know a lynch on me won't go through and he knows nacho will correctly read me - oh wait except nacho did get somewhat paranoid of me in forest fire so I guess he could think there's a weak wall he could penetrate? - but "discussing" the read with him could keep him busy. IDK

[Tammy]

It wasn't necessarily that you got in the midst of my line of questioning, what frustrated me was the dismissing my suspicion because I was pissed especially before I did anything with it. It felt like the time I spent days calling whiskey jack scum and after whiskey wrote a case against me so that he could kill me that night and look town for it, I pushed back harder and pless dismissed my read on him because omgus and he claimed I only suspect people because they suspect me.

I'm sorry I annoyed you though

[Tammy]

Also what did you think about the Martin/muffin thing and her response to my suspicion over it today?

[Tammy]

Also what did you think about the Martin/muffin thing and her response to my suspicion over it today?

I'm not sure what to make of her response to you (did you think something specific about it?), but I've explained my position on Muffin/mastin in the stuff I just posted I think; if I didn't, let me know because it means I'm going crazy.

I'm not sure what to make of it either really.

[Tammy]

Also what did you think about the Martin/muffin thing and her response to my suspicion over it today?

I'm not sure what to make of her response to you (did you think something specific about it?), but I've explained my position on Muffin/mastin in the stuff I just posted I think; if I didn't, let me know because it means I'm going crazy.

I'm not sure what to make of it either really.

So this is an opinion of someone who hasn't played with Mastin2 in a year and a half but I can kinda understand where Muffin is coming from. Mastin's play when I left and now are complete and polar opposites (even though I don't remember this being her/his scum style). The long logical walls simply don't exist thus far, and I think the longest Mastin2 post this game was the response to muffin's vote. Granted, I think I've only ever played with Mastin2 when they drew a scum slot but I'm also pretty certain one or two of AP/Mollie/Muffin was in that game. If this is an off game (which I think the WoF hydra has admitted), then I could easily understand Muffin not having a good read on Mastin.

If this game is as different from Mastin's style as I expect it is, then Muffin's correctness might not play a huge part in his alignment.

Yeah, that was my point. I know that muffin doesn't read mastin based on long logical walls, so that wasn't a part of it.

It's just that the reaction to the suspicion felt wrong.

I'm not sure how I feel about the reaction to me though.

[Tammy]

I was just using the absence of mastin's walls to give an example of the stark contrast from what I know to be usual.

I don't see Mastin calling Muffins on this to advance mastin's position. From a scum point of view, it's a low-percentage play that's not going to garner many rewards because muffin isn't even close to being relevant unless he drops his current style. Any decision on wether to lynch zelink/muffin would never be involving a read on Mastin anyways so pushing this case as scum wouldn't be anything more than showmanship imo.

A good number of this playerlist knows that muffin has a really good ability at reading mastin and would listen to him on that read. Sure, as zelink he has minimal impact with that play style he was affecting, but the moment he alt slipped his accuracy on reading mastin came into play. I mean, mastin put out a table for how to read her, and listed as one of the things if muffin is in the game listen to his read.

It doesn't really matter how effective zelink has been in the game, my problem is mastin's reaction to muffin. She would be expected to have some sort of reaction to muffin scum reading her; I just don't think feels right.

[Tammy]

You'll find that several people in this player list expect someone else to be able to read them properly.

I think that looking at reactions how we would can backfire because people are different. Here is Mastin's flow chart for how to read her.

Subject: Mafia with the Quickness 2 GAME OVER!

Gut scum read on Slice of Life.

I realize that there's a decent number of people here who don't really have that much experience with me, so here, have this. It should help.

How To Read Mastin

:

Are you zMuffinman?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you AngryPidgeon?

Yes-->Screw tells, you know mastin's alignment instantly.
No-->

Are you a player who has hydraed or has otherwise worked well with Mastin?

Yes-->You likely don't need the chart, but because you're not that familiar with her, you should probably go through it anyway as a precaution.
No-->You REALLY need to go through the chart; proceed! But fair warning in advance that it's only about 90% accurate.

THE FLOWCHART:

Does Mastin look town?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed to next step.

Trust her as town.

What does she do?

Get paranoid of you-->She's town.
Enthusiastically work with you-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Nothing-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Milk your townread and bully you-->Proceed.

Suddenly pressure her.

What does she do?

Freak out-->She's town.
Show concern, but subdued-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Brush it off-->Proceed.

Is she posting up a storm?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she gloating how good her scumgame is?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does Mastin have delusions of grandeur?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she waffling...
...A lot?

Yes-->She's town.
Sorta?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does she look like she's trying to leave a legacy?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she antagonizing everyone?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

Has Mastin rambled at all on MD theory?

Yes-->She's town.
No-->Proceed.

If applicable, did she 'crumb her role and/or claim it openly and immediately?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Do the circumstances behind her play and/or claim look town?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she irrational?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is she spewing random illogical theories?

Yes-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Does her posting look intentional?

No-->She's town.
Yes-->Proceed.

Is she spontaneous, random, and/or whimsical?

Yes-->She's town.
Maybe?-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
No-->Proceed.

Is her tone flat?

No-->probably town, but proceed anyway as a precaution.
Yes-->Proceed.

(BONUS:

If Mastin is behind, does she demonstrate knowledge of the

current

gamestate she could not reasonably have at her supposed point of reference?

No-->She's town.
It's hard to say...-->She probably does know, but not much, having likely skimmed offline, not logged in, and chose not to get the full context to spoiler her as probable-town.
Yes-->Proceed.)

And finally...

Is there minimal resistance to lynching her?

Yes-->She's town; defend her!
...Maybe?-->You've gotten this far and the best you've got is a "maybe"?!? You dummy, run through it again! (But she's probably town anyway.)-->All other factors equal, if you're having this much trouble reading Mastin, just freakin' assume she's town. (She likely is, anyway.)-->FOR THE LOVE OF GODS, SHE'S TOWN, DANG IT.
No-->She's probably scum...but you should run through the flowchart one more time just to be sure, as a precaution.

Notice number one. That might give you a sense for what she expects from muffin.

(I'd like to point out that I also don't have a town read on muffin, but I find Mastin's reaction to muffin as odd.)

[Tammy]

UNVOTE:

[Tammy]

I've decided that his scum read on me is trolling. He asked me for a reads list with lots of reasoning, which is something I never do especially early game. He also asked why I wasn't voting anyone when me not voting is nothing new.

So, I think he's doing the same thing that he was doing in the dead thread of tales of you where he kept calling me scum and all my posts scummy even though he was spoiled and knew I was town.

I'm still not a big fan of Mastin's original response. I said this before that nacho and I both knew that was muffin; what i was getting at was the point nacho made later that because some of us knew it was muffin he wasn't getting away with scum reading mastin secretively.

[Tammy]

I mean part of my belief that he's trolling is just that I feel pretty objectively town this game like I haven't felt in a really long time.

[Tammy]

VOTE: prohawk

[Tammy]

vote aninem

This guy can't read for shit, is a liability, needs to be lynched, literally the last 68 pages are unimportant

You are cordially invited to join our righteous prohawk wagon.

[Tammy]

Its D1 and I like prohawk

I'm not lynching him, whether or not he is scum, unless you can pretty much guarantee a scumflip, and I'll have to review the evidence

on the other hand, lynching aninem is guaranteed to help the town right now, and later in the game it might not be as helpful if he is just bad town

We should follow me imo

blablabla you're not in charge here...sorry.

I'm not into lynching people precisely for policy reasons because I don't like the way they play. If I were aneninen wouldn't be the first on my list.

Oh hey its you Tammy, you are probably going to respect my reads this game huh?

Respecting reads is a two-way street.

Just ISOed Prohawk, what makes him scummy?

Just seems lazy to me

Lazy is one thing. Not doing anything and ignoring everything in order to slither in here and plop a vote on someone who has a post restriction he doesn't like in lieu of doing absolutely anything is another.

He can die.

[Tammy]

sorry if I sound bitchy, I'm in a terrible mood.

[Tammy]

I thought he was joking too, but then he said he got a warning for missing a post, so idk.

It's still a dumb reason to vote someone while ignoring everything else.

[Tammy]

No, but thank you for making me laugh. I needed that.

[Tammy]

Zelink is zmuffinman alt.

(He alstslipped, I'm not being a jerk)

[Tammy]

Omeome said he asked to be related, but I don't see that in his ISO and Fferyllt doesn't have a search going.

[Tammy]

I would seirously hope that ffery would be cogniscent of players time with generating roles that a post restriction that such a restriction of having to effectively DOUBLE the thread length in terms of size of reading not page size would be taboo.

It actually concerns me that you think it is a post restriction.

Pedit: VOTE: muki

Fine. Is there an ignore feature to hide his posts?

What does whether or not I believe someone has a list restriction have to do with my alignment?

I couldn't care less if it's a pr but I think it's scummy that that's all you keep focusing on in lieu of scum hunting when there are more annoying things, so it feels like you're just harping on something to look busy.

[Tammy]

So after reading the first 8 I found that Konowa had some early scumhunting that I liked.
Luna is slightly town for her 168.

I find Tammy scummy coming out of the dancing with OT, who Im holding at null for now. The way the fire bit was pushed seems more like forcing interaction than anything else. It really took 3 pages to move past it?
Fluff is probably my second biggest scumread, though its fairly weak for what it is, so.

Other than that I find Kagigami to be null. Why is (possibly fake) role info town or scum inherently?

hi, all the people I know to various degrees! Im a little busy tonight, but Ill get to reading whatever I feel like reading tomorrow. Or something.

Sheep today, read tomorrow.

Sheep who on what?

Klingon, is it standard for you as town to attempt to read people based primarily on determining what parity interactions have (town vs. town, town vs. scum, scum vs. scum) over what the players themselves are doing? If so, link?

I do this \o/ Hi Klingy!

^^ Im going to read from that post on out.

What?

[Tammy]

Pisskop - it just burns, burns, burns

[Tammy]

I'm not even trying to look busy so I'm not sure what you're going on about there Tammy

You didn't answer my question about why its concerning though.

Also, pooping in to complain about something that I'd really not that annoying does feel like you're trying to look busy.

[Tammy]

*popping in

[Tammy]

I'd say go ahead and ask them to claim, but I'm tipsy don't trust my judgment.

[Tammy]

Oh not the high priestess

[Tammy]

I'm not even trying to look busy so I'm not sure what you're going on about there Tammy

You didn't answer my question about why its concerning though.

Also, pooping in to complain about something that I'd really not that annoying does feel like you're trying to look busy.

Wait... Did you have a question? Oh yeah.

Fas

You could have easily said " think it's scumimy that that's all you keep focusing on [is muffins alt] in lieu of scum hunting" instead of "plop a vote on someone who has a post restriction".

See how you just made that up to make you sound cooler?

You should vote me for yet wj I suck

[Tammy]

That' snot what I was trying to say I was trying to say you should vote for me for it because i'm super scummy!!!

[Tammy]

VOTE: tammy

Scum

Lololololololololol

Did you literally vote me because I told you to?

Way to prove you're actually scum hunting buddy!

(You should push it for all you got. Make one if those scum cases you've made. See if you can find someone who doesn't have a pulse and can't see the obvious!)

[Tammy]

But hey buddy at least you're doing something, so that's progress!

[Tammy]

cmon prohawk scum or not its pretty obvious no one wants to lynch Tammy

lets focus on lynchable targets, like Vedith or Aneninen

Or prohawk!

[Tammy]

I'm not even trying to look busy so I'm not sure what you're going on about there Tammy

You didn't answer my question about why its concerning though.

Also, pooping in to complain about something that I'd really not that annoying does feel like you're trying to look busy.

Wait... Did you have a question? Oh yeah.

It concerns me because you used it to attack me and call me scummy for someone with a "PR" when its A) obviously not. and B) it just felt like a stick for you to grab to try and beat me with.

You could have easily said " think it's scummy that that's all you keep focusing on [is muffins alt] in lieu of scum hunting" instead of "plop a vote on someone who has a post restriction".

See how you just made that up to make you sound cooler?

OH MY GODS

What a pile of semantic bullshit.

How often do you meet people in dark corners and ask if they've danced with the devil by the paid moonlight? I feel like it's often.

[Tammy]

Tammy we aren't lynching ProHawk today because I can think of like 10 non-scum reasons to lurk on d1 in a large theme game

lets lynch someone who it will help town to lynch IMO

It has nothing to do with lurking. I think his is more likely to be scum lurk than town lurk and I'd rather lynch scum than someone who's play style I'm not fond of. Anne's play style is far from being the most destructive to town; I don't care if he doesn't usually lynch. From what I've seen he tries and is not a chucklefuck who ruins games by doing bullshit like lol hammering cuz gosh that's fun, and is therefore not someone I'd policy lynch.

Find me a reason he's actually scum and I'll help, otherwise no thank you.

[Tammy]

It's semantic bullshit because prohawk is saying I should have worded my suspicion in a different way. I *have* laid out my argument about prohawk and his treatment of zelink.

And what I asked was why t concerned him that I believed it was a pr, and he made up a pile of bullshit that doesn't answer the question.

I was very clear early on as thinking he was trolling, and then he claimed he got earned for missing a post which is when I entertained that it was a real post restriction. Prohawk is showing clear indications that he's keeping up, so his posts are nothing but bullshit.

[Tammy]

Tammy we aren't lynching ProHawk today because I can think of like 10 non-scum reasons to lurk on d1 in a large theme game

lets lynch someone who it will help town to lynch IMO

It has nothing to do with lurking. I think his is more likely to be scum lurk than town lurk and I'd rather lynch scum than someone who's play style I'm not fond of. Anne's play style is far from being the most destructive to town; I don't care if he doesn't usually lynch. From what I've seen he tries and is not a chucklefuck who ruins games by doing bullshit like lol hammering cuz gosh that's fun, and is therefore not someone I'd policy lynch.

Find me a reason he's actually scum and I'll help, otherwise no thank you.

Aneninen is voting that guy you say has a post restriction, should we lynch him?

Since you are all up on prohawk for voting Zelink.

I don't know why else you think he is scum?

People like you protecting prohawk is just keeping him from having to do anything or make his alignment known.

Congrats on distracting the game for your policy lynch! Bravo.

[Tammy]

No. I'm saying you're making up garbage to fit your agenda. Get it straight Tam.

My gods you're such a fucking scum fuck.

[Tammy]

No. I'm saying you're making up garbage to fit your agenda. Get it straight Tam.

And you're not even saying that or you wouldn't tell bacde that you would come to your senses.

You should make a case against me! Talk about how deceitful again! I miss that, and maybe just maybe your scum case will have an effect this time. Probably not, but you can dream right hawk boy?

[Tammy]

*talk about how deceitful I am...

[Tammy]

Klingon what are your reads?

[Tammy]

[Tammy]

Wut?

[Tammy]

Like what?

I think you're reminding me of the last time you were scum trying to scum read me, but that's it.

[Tammy]

Soooooooo prohawk what are your thoughts on the game?

Since I've got your attention and all.

[Tammy]

What thoughts do you have.

I'm scum? Who else? Who is town?

[Tammy]

I'm not but thanks for playing!

Who else?

I would like to settle your alignment though!

[Tammy]

basically, tammy thinks lack of effort is scummy and people sheep her

That's not what I said at all.

[Tammy]

Wisdom might actually be scum.

He's super duper oversimplifying my argument against Prohawk and then hand waved it away when Syryana explained that the crux of my argument was what he was doing NOT the absence of doing things.

And then dismissing it with oh site meta is to think lack of effort is scummy while putting forth effort is town when that's not my argument and anyone who has played a couple games with me should know that that's not how I read people in the first place. The times I scum read people for not doing anything is when they're meta suggests it is alignment relevant.

[Tammy]

zelink's suspicion on me continues to be weird. Him harping on my lack of vote makes no sense whatsoever as anyone who's played more than one game with me knows that I'm not a huge voter. Also, he's confirmed for waxing melodic about his suspicions while not actually even bothering to read my iso or he'd know I had pushed someone other than pro hawk. Also, the "nacho she reacted to you the way she thought you'd expect" doesn't make any sense. I'd probably not actually react that way.

Anyway, I said I wouldn't keep defending myself and I'm not, but the things he's focusing on to dwell on with me make absolutely no sense in the context of someone who has played with me before.

But, I digress.

I'm town, suck it!

[Tammy]

Tammy, that was me on the whole site meta thing, which is true btw

You're trying to make a blanket statement that in order to dismiss my suspicions of you when I personally don't scum hunt that way and your lurking was never part of my argument.

My argument was more that you kept popping in here to complain about zelink's posts to look like you were doing something when in actuality you weren't. Complaining about zelink's posts was a popular thing to chime in on and if you know when to complain about his posts, which average about five per day and weren't annoying on average to some other crap in the game, then you were at least following along a little and could have said something else. Then you plopped a vote on someone for no other reason than his posts annoyed you when that was popular to do. Felt slimy and gave you an avenue to look like you were engaged when in reality you weren't doing anything.

Quite frankly, I was hoping to see a different reaction to your wagon. In Marketplace and in Tales of the Abyss your reaction to suspicion on you for no reason at all read pretty town to me. You don't feel town to me here.

[Tammy]

Not sure who I want to move it to :/

I'm not sure about Brantz. He called me town. I'm a sucker for people who call me town :p

I kinda wouldn't mind lynching klingon though.

[Tammy]

You do realize the reason I keep explaining on it and harping on it is because you and wisdom immediately jumped at the oooooh site meta is to scum read people not doing stuff and to town read effort. Instead of immediately discredit me by arguing a method that I, myself, do not follow and you both know damn well I don't considering the amount of games I don't push lurkers, you could have talked to me, but noooooooooooo.

But yeah, I'm scum for suspecting you. Try again babe, but thank you for the suspicion.

[Tammy]

Truth be told my scum read in you was not super strong. I didn't really like what I saw, but I was hoping to get a read from your reaction so I could stick you on a side.

Pedit: oh yeah I was thinking on town based on the thing nacho brought up as his interaction with us does tend to be odd when he's scum, but the shine on that is fading. I may need to get reoriented in the game though.

[Tammy]

*on should be pn

[Tammy]

Oh I'm totally not caught up on today. Not sure how I missed a bunch of posts but I didn't realize vedith was a governor. I thought his earlier "I won't flip" posts seemed townie, not sure how I feel right now but don't really feel scum. Though I literally have no solid or true scum reads right now :/

Don't know who I want to vote. Don't feel super great about brants being scum though.

I should be able to get caught up tomorrow though.

[Tammy]

I'm running out the door, but don't anyone else vote brants. I'm pretty sure the vote count is not even close to correct and brants should actually be at l-1 or even lynched with Luna's vote.

[Tammy]

I'm perfectly calm.

I thought for sure wall of fire and Medea had voted brants, but they didn't so never mind, carry on.

That's what I get for breaking tradition and looking at a vote count.

[Tammy]

The taste of love is sweet
When hearts like ours meet.
I fell for you like a child,
Oh, but the fire went wild.

...song is stuck in my head

[Tammy]

I wouldn't mind lynching ika.

[Tammy]

Fluffy - what's Ike's posting in the hood like? What's your read there and is mala posting there?

[Tammy]

Yeah a Governorn's abilities dont work on themselves.
Just like a doctor cant heal himself.

I've seen both.

[Tammy]

Oh fluff voted. Hmm.

VOTE: ika

[Tammy]

I don't know who the other half of the hydra is, but I have no real issues with it thus farside.

I'll pick up after I sober

Did this ever happen?

Why did you ask this question?

[Tammy]

Tammy just sheep me or claim scum already jeez

HA

HA HA

HA HA HA

[Tammy]

Hrm.

I mean Bert isn't being as jovial or as berty as I'd like to see him, but.

[Tammy]

oh i forgot about pn. Yeah, wouldn't mind that either

VOTE: perpetual nonsense

Are you going to vote for everyone today, Wisdom?

as long as i dont townread them, yes

I did that once in a game. It made everyone think I was Scum.

Are you Scum?

This feels like a weird question. Were you scum in that game?