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In post 17, zMuffinMan wrote:hello
i think there's a very decent chance noddy is scum in this game. he hasn't been scum in any of the touhou upicks this game and therefore has a very high chance of drawing scum this game. it would not surprise me if sakura hana is scum with him for the same reason
#gamblersaxiom
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In post 21, The_Relentless wrote:In post 17, zMuffinMan wrote:hello
i think there's a very decent chance noddy is scum in this game. he hasn't been scum in any of the touhou upicks this game and therefore has a very high chance of drawing scum this game. it would not surprise me if sakura hana is scum with him for the same reason
#gamblersaxiom
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Sakura Hana is muffin scummy for what you're asking him? you're coming off irritated to meI'm a Teapot-
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I agree Muffin is town on both role and posts so far
I'll claim my # of daycards if we go through with it but I doubt the mod would make the set-up that easy to crack open so it just seems like giving scum info for no reason
VOTE: Sakura Hana
your reaction to Muffin is way too touchy if you don't think he's suspicious!I'm a Teapot-
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oh I missed the relevant ability part, if we're claiming for role purposes then sure, I have one (1) Day Card.
Sakura Hana I expected no serious reaction because why would town seriously consider themself in threat of being lynched over Gambler's Fallacy? whereas your post pinged me as scum frustrated they were being attacked for bad reasonsI'm a Teapot-
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ohhhh I assumed you made your response before seeing his addendum because you said he had two suspects, but I just realized Kagami would still be his second suspect in that case. and that MS shows cuts anyway so I'm dumb. oops UNVOTE:
why's your gut pinging scum!Pie? unless you don't wanna reveal that until your results
VOTE: Chocola
people without votecount shenanigans are scum trying to blend in by not having votecount shenanigans, except me I'm townI'm a Teapot-
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@Sakura: Katsuki also voted muffin... what do you think of Katsuki's vote? also, how does the muffin vote outweigh the town points from the positive utility card in your opinion? (and why wouldn't scum use a positive utility card to look genuine?)
also Sakura how are u reading me based on my vote on you. just wondering
pie, explain your Sakura vote?
I've failed reading twice today so I'm gonna take a break from posting, peace.I'm a Teapot-
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is Chocola supposed to have 0 votes, if so I may have to rethink my case............
while I'm posting again to ask for clarification I'll say I'm feeling town!Sakura now cuz she's much more tryhard than she was when we were buddies in the last UPick which is jumping out at me
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In post 76, Sky_Paladin wrote:@Relentless
You threw down an initial vote on Chocola, switched it over to Sakura, then back to Chocola. When the VC said 0 votes, you commented about having to rethink your case. In the event that it's not just RVS luls, could you please clarify some more on this?
it's a joke, the joke is that I said I was voting Chocola because he had no votecount shenanigans
In post 103, Sky_Paladin wrote:I'm interested in an explanation for why Sakura has managed to avoid attracting votes from both you and Relentless now;
I thought she was scummy then realized it was based on a misconception and unvoted. now I'm town-reading her. Also apparently you're reading my posts but aren't, like, acknowledging anything I'm saying in them. That's weird.
In post 192, zMuffinMan wrote:i don't have any sort of town read on any of the following: bork, kagami, shadoweh, gaiden, chocola
besides what borf said, explain sky_paladin and Katsuki? which are the scummiest of your non-townreads and which are the least town of your townreads?
I only have a couple townreads but I'm not getting any strong scumreads either because all the big debate club posts are from my town-reads! my first thought is to quicklynch Kilga because he said Yukari is a bad Touhou. my second thought is to ask Kilga why he's still voting Shadoweh over Sakura Hana and what he thinks about the defenses that have been made for her so far. re: "Sympathizing with pie over Sakura in their spat": does this mean you think the argument is scum/town?I'm a Teapot-
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In post 204, zMuffinMan wrote:
take #198, for example. this line:In post 198, borkjerfkin wrote:I'd be objectively right about it as scum too.
doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me from the perspective that you're town considering the possibility that i'm scum
idk I'm townreading bork and I think this is just rhetoric, I say this stuff as town tooI'm a Teapot-
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In post 210, zMuffinMan wrote:he's being careful with all his words this game
is this a meta thing cuz if so I don't think I've seen him play before, do you have examples?I'm a Teapot-
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I'll lynch any lurker though. I'm not getting enough out of the people who are posting. maybe that's just because I'm struggling to care. but I'm annoyed with Chocola going "hey I'll wait until I get home" *does nothing*" and wanna see how he'd feel about a wagon
Shadoweh you should, like, pick somebody and vote them. bork and notsci too. you guys've been reading the thread. I just wanna see serious votes on the votecount, please indulge meI'm a Teapot-
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oh oops I forgot about the voteless thing. also Kilga, how strong would you say your scumread on Shadoweh is?
VOTE: notscience
would like to see him commit to something, anything. #92's trying too hard to be nonchalant, #127 doesn't actually stir the pot at all, #288 is bizarre because the rationale for voting Feysal involves them not doing things. Why not just vote them so they have more reason to do things? rest of his ISO is spam but what little content there doesn't fit so I don't appreciate the coasting.
@Chocola: I'm not voting you anymore because I like this better but are you gonna play this game? if you're being held back by IRL shit then say so now and not later so town doesn't have to overthink this plzzzzI'm a Teapot-
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In post 310, The_Relentless wrote:I'm not feeling the Shadoweh lynch.
to elaborate, there's only one point against her that I've really bought into and I hadn't read it at the time I wrote this post. I don't buy "town Shadoweh wouldn't have taken #253 seriously" as a case since I also couldn't tell Kilga was joking, I thought he was making a really nitpicky day 1 case and found it suspicious while reading before he clarified. you could argue my brain was just being silly while I was reading, but Shadoweh turning sour when she thinks people suspect her for bad reasons is par for the course it's hardly unlikely she'd do the same
@Muffin: do you actually think Shadoweh is scummy or do you just disagree with her logic + have her on PoE?
In post 317, notscience wrote:Make me
the only person who can make you is yourself but I can make you dead if you don't (one way or another) sooooo better get crackingI'm a Teapot-
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In post 328, The_Relentless wrote:alright well that Katsuki person just posted in 2 threads if he doesn't get to this one he's scum probably
I should probably specify this wasn't serious especially since he seems to be V/LA. I don't have a read on Katsuki I'm just being annoyingI'm a Teapot-
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I hope Sakura's your neighbor cuz otherwise u literally did not make that vote until you knew somebody else was willing to vote me lol
I wanna be like "get the fuck @ me" but probably this means people are town-reading you for out of thread-reasons? which means I don't even know. @Sakura: c/d if this is the case and elaborate?I'm a Teapot-
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In post 342, Kagami wrote:They're neighbors, ns and pie always pick the same flavors and I can guess Sakura's as well.
oh. I don't really know what the fuck to say then. if notsci is town for reasons I don't know then... talk to me about it @Sakura/Pie? because his in-thread play has been garbage and circlejerking isn't exactly swaying me!! I dunno. I assume I'm being reaction tested here but it's hard to really say anything genuine because 1) I think the person who called for it is scum 2) I can't imagine myself actually getting mislynched over this so i d c. people who play mafia like this are bad :(I'm a Teapot-
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Deleted.
There are people who might think your post was serious.
-modLast edited by FakeGod on Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.I'm a Teapot-
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I've been trying to write a response that isn't just frustration for several minutes now but idk, this is dumb as shit. there's no reason for town!notsci to genuinely go for the quicklynch here. it's a gotcha game, a person's immediate reactions to wagons like this are never telling because you can't react in a way that looks town besides, like, shoutingHEY EVERYONE I AM THE DOCTORin bold letters
this post is awful because none of what he was trying to convince muffin to hammer me with is scummy here, but besides that, accusing me of "discrediting" him is especially slimy because of course if the one guy you're seriously scumreading randomly starts a wagon on you of course your first reaction is going to be "are you fucking kidding me". hell "looking for an out" is also stupid because as town I don't wanna waste my time chasing wrong leads, if I'm voting somebody for scummy thread play but they're only playing like that because they're posting all their content out-of-thread of course I'm gonna want to take a step back and judge with the full picture. he is literally trying to hang me up over nothing in response to me finding him scummy :X
Kagami, do you actually think ns looks town here? Sakura/pieguyn, if you could explain what he's been doing in the quicktopic that'd be really helpful tiaI'm a Teapot-
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In post 367, thdgkdms wrote:Huh, what? So why are people voting for The_Relentless?
They're scum and/or not good at mafia games. th u should vote notsci with me, I know it is hard to not be voting Shadoweh at any given time but I guarantee this guy is a scum team member
Sky, please just like... go into my ISO and actually read my posts? everything is explained I promise!! if you have specific questions about what's made me change my mind then ask me cuz I haven't made any unexplained switches yet this game and to me it just seems like you're not readingI'm a Teapot-
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The latter half of this is tongue-in-cheek exerting frustration I am sure everybody here is actually very good at mafia or something.I'm a Teapot-
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In post 366, The_Relentless wrote:Kagami, do you actually think ns looks town here?
oh wait it was muffin who was townreading ns but whatever, question still applies except more like "what is your read on him pulling this stunt in the first place"I'm a Teapot-
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In post 373, notscience wrote:I would like to point out that I am relentless's "serious" scumread who the summation of his points is "coasting"
that's a pretty dishonest way to paint my case. even though I suspect you for additional reasons now I voted you because what you HAD posted was artificial. coasting is scummy when you're coasting like scum, I'm not attacking you JUST for coasting. GiF is coasting! I think he's town though.
this response to Sky_Paladin was also terrible because you're goading a player who's playing more literally by being passive-aggressive with them. that's only gonna frustrate them which will fuel the fire and distract town, it looks like it's more important to you to look like you don't care about being suspected than actually being clear with other players. (idk if I'm explaining this properly)
if Kagami is right and you're town being really town in your QT then you need to actually act it in-thread too instead of being scummy then jumping on the first guy to suspect you for playing like scum and proceeding to be a Big Confirmation Bias Baby. like, give me some shit to work with here.I'm a Teapot-
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I don't need to get you lynched to kill you.I'm a Teapot-
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Is that a serious vote because that's, like, the voteswitch you could make that would lower my frustration level the least. explainI'm a Teapot-
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In post 382, notscience wrote:Yeah Kagami I actually am starting to question the push myself
Literally noone who has been in a past one of these games would let him try what he's trying
Can I just say that it's really unfun that my ability to play this game is being impacted because some players have a psychic link to each other and a neighbor QT, only not because the RNG dictated it, but because they have mod meta and pick the same characters every game, and I have access to none of these advantages
like if I was modding a series of UPicks I would try to specifically avoid this scenario when designing roles by shuffling up the power levels. I can't really criticize FakeGod since not only do I not know the full set-up but it's kind of a UPick inevitability unless you ARE doing that, but for me personally, it's a buzzkill to be on the receiving end of this a player
I also think notscience's handling of the QT is not only frustrating to deal with, but just plain bad and distracting play if he's town (which he probably is, unfortunately, as Kagami makes a fair point). keeping your cards close to your chest is understandable until you're literally just spamming the thread and not leveling with anybody in a way that isn't actually benefiting your alignment
a good deal of this is just "you get what you sign up for" and me not really thinking about that too much but it still sux
I'm probably just going to coast at this pointI'm a Teapot-
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UNVOTE:
pool of people I'm considering the most is something like
pieguyn/Feysal/Chocola/Sky/Katsuki/Kilga/Gaiden
Shadoweh maaaaybe but I'm waiting for another post from her and the votes on her weren't very strong
@pieguyn: you look really weird now, actually. why go out of you way to have interactions like this with notscience and your entire blow-up with Sakura in-thread when they could be contained to the QT?I'm a Teapot-
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In post 389, The_Relentless wrote::salt:
for the record I posted this while super frustrated and it doesn't actually matter to me that much.
VOTE: Feysal
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In post 385, notscience wrote:Also, because I'm an asshole and your threats are cute, you can stop crumbing vig.
I'm going to bed but before anybody gets their hopes up I should probably point out Idon't have a gunliterally have a gun but it doesn't kill people, sadlycan kill people but not conveniently so and was just being a fucker. good nightI'm a Teapot-
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hey chocola heres a cool touhou song by iosys the person who created touhou music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0byojGNWP0I'm a Teapot-
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you're right Skypal I don't really care about advancing game state rn I'm still town though B)
your assessment is inaccurate since I had just started posting more BEFORE notsci voted me then continued actively posting that day when I had something to respond to which is kind of a duh for why I'd do that
I still don't think bork is scum, but I do agree he needs to post a voteI'm a Teapot-
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I don't like Skypal continuing to treat my voteswitch from ED1 as a point despite a) it being explained in my posts, b) me asking him what the problem with it was since it didn't seem like he was actually reading my posts (he didn't respond), c) it not ever being explained how the switch back and forth is scummy
I would understand where he's coming from regarding my motivation levels but the way he presents it is also literally not true ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also find it suspicious he gives a paragraph of analysis on the Chocola lynch but doesn't consider Feysal who is the prime target for a lurker lynch atm and has actually done iffy thingsI'm a Teapot-
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@notsci: why's feysal town
@pieguyn: why's GIF scum? I've actually been feeling him as the towniest of the lurkers/spamposters
@Gaiden: maybe you don't have reads D1 but that also makes you dead weight. I tend not to read players like you well but right now I'm leaning scum because not only are you not doing anything, you've barely even been posting to do not do anything! if you're town then please at least TRY to get engaged in the thread. surely you at least have gut reads from the past few pages?
@Skypal: my responses coincide with bursts in my activity because I'm paying more attention to the game and while I'm paying more attention to the game I'm going to responding to things that concern me. you have cause and effect mixed up. once again you're only reading what you .
I think Feysal is scummy. I think you're scummy now, because you've been continuously pushing this based on selective reading while ignoring my responses, which seems like what scum would do when they need to look like they're scumhunting rather than how town would approach a case. I'd rather lynch an inactive though and Feysal seems the worst of them. I have more reads, and they're probably evident if you read between the lines in my posts, but I don't see the need to talk about them right nowI'm a Teapot-
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In post 643, The_Relentless wrote:once again you're only reading what you .
ignore this, I rewrote that part of the post but forgot to remove all of itI'm a Teapot-
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I wish people who don't want to lynch Feysal would actually explain why they don't want to lynch Feysal. because everybody who doesn't want to lynch Feysal hasn't explained why they don't want to lynch Feysal.
Kagami, how does Feysal's state of mind suggest town if scum have kills? if it's worth anything, I firmly believe scum's got some form of NK ability. but I have a wacky killing ability myself too so Who Knows (would not be surprised if it was just strewn across both sides)I'm a Teapot-
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I'm not confident on this read but Katsuki's vote on me after he said he hasn't been reading may be a towntell? it makes me think he dropped into the thread, saw a wagon piling up and contributed because getting a reaction out of it was the way he could best help Town
However I also don't know how to read Katsuki so I'm not sure how meaningful this is. I'm kinda hoping he just gets sorted out by rolesI'm a Teapot-
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