Tarot uPick II - GAME OVER

[Aneninen]

/confirm

[Aneninen]

I haven't had time to read anything yet and I don't think it'll happen before this evening, but Hi, Everyone!

VOTE: Klingonette

Jolan Tru!

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost, so no quotes or whatsoever.
I've just chevked the game quickly.

Quick impressions.

Kagaminette and Luna are very town.

These look town: Ika, Kuroko, Walloffire,
Don't know list: Oil, Konowa, Lynx, Perpetual Notscience
These look scummy: Wisdom, Medea, Zelnick.
Fluff and Tammy are the scummiest. Tammy because of being very different.

This post has been more or less a self reminder.

Also, maybe we could talk about our cards, couldn't we? Acvording to Fferyllt our picks are independent from our alignment. What do you all think?

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost, so no quotes or whatsoever.
I've just chevked the game quickly.

Quick impressions.

Kagaminette and Luna are very town.

These look town: Ika, Kuroko, Walloffire,
Don't know list: Oil, Konowa, Lynx, Perpetual Notscience
These look scummy: Wisdom, Medea, Zelnick.
Fluff and Tammy are the scummiest. Tammy because of being very different.

This post has been more or less a self reminder.

Also, maybe we could talk about our cards, couldn't we? Acvording to Fferyllt our picks are independent from our alignment. What do you all think?

[Aneninen]

To the town Tammy I've seen before.

Also, sorry for the double. Rubbish mobile.

[Aneninen]

Ok. That was just an idea.

[Aneninen]

I know it's going to sound very bad. Last night I

would

have had time but the forum was so unstable that I wasn't even able to read anything.
Nevertheless, I've checked a couple of things and quite a few player asked about my reads. Another busy day is ahead, but after all, my other post was a kind of self-reminder (I mean, whom I should pay attention to, whom I could trust, etc.) so, regardless of the time passes, my answers will arrive sooner or later.

[Aneninen]

Okay, before I'm off to work, I want to do something useful.
Erm,

Do you understand, do you know what she means – as time goes by and when you've seen what she's seen...
ME
Well, she looked at me, and I, I could see that before too long

you

'd fall in love with her. She wouldn't dance with another. Whoooooh!

If that thingy has meant nothing to you, don't worry! I'm pretty sure that I'm holding one of the weakest PRs in this game and these lines may be useful for someone, somewhere... now or in the near future.

[Aneninen]

I was having the same issue last night.

[Aneninen]

^^
Fffffffffffffffffffffffzzzzzz, Bad English Medal has just been achieved.

[Aneninen]

Okay, before I'm off to work, I want to do something useful.

(blah, blah... I've edited my own quote)

Was this song sent to you?

No. Had it been, I wouldn't have been allowed to quote it, would I?
Besides, that's not

a

song.

[Aneninen]

Partly ^_^

[Aneninen]

Thid Kuroko wagon seems to be bad. Or at least, their recent posts sounded like a very annoyed townie in my mind.

[Aneninen]

(
Meaningless post.

Oil Tycoons = Nacho + Syryana
Idiocy = Tiershift + Farside
Medea the Alien = Penguin_Alien + Cabd
Ika Zaru = Ika + Malakitty
FluffCentral = Notscience + Bins
Wall of Fire = Cephrir + Mastin2
Perpetual Nonsense = Bert + SXTLHGaiden
Kuroko = Echo + Pieguyn
Kamigami = Kagami + FakeGod

Whenever I need to check a hydra I can find them in my own ISO.

There's no other function of this.
)

[Aneninen]

Am I the only one who thinks that the Fluff-wagon was derailed?

[Aneninen]

That's what I'm thinking about. Although, it's just a big "what if..." now

[Aneninen]

That's what I'm thinking about. Although, it's just a big "what if..." now

why are you scumreading fluff then?

Their early posts. Eg. in 215 they mentioned a couple of players... but why those? In 380 they said "Someone who has only skimmed the game"... but at that point they had had quite a few posts. 427 is a list that could be fake.
Just a couple of things.

Another one I don't like is Zelnick. Okay, his style is terrible and I've seen scum making the town tired by "over-detailed" posts like that. But, in another game his posting style was absolutely not like that.

[Aneninen]

What is a scumday

The anniversary of the day someone joined MafiaScum.

[Aneninen]

Why are you townreading them?

[Aneninen]

And another lyrics have just appeared.

[Aneninen]

But okay, Wisdom, you're reading Fluff in a different way.
However, what about the thing I pointed out about Zelnick?

VOTE: Zelnick

Ugly Kid Joe, by the way. If my memories are correct.

[Aneninen]

I've checked another game of him and he was entirely different there. What do you think of this fact?

[Aneninen]

Don't do that, please. It takes time for him to make these posts. Ten minutes to read, but an hour to write. Show some appreciation please.

Spoiler:

POOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!

[Aneninen]

Aj, 1063
As for the first part. Yeah, I forgot to detail my Tammy-read (although I expressed that her posts are different to the town-Tammy I know), and the Wisdom read too (whom I don't trust, but right now, he's not my strongest scumread).
I posted about my Fluff-read and I didn't back off; I simply expressed that Wisdom and I are reading them differently.
Right now I'm voting for my strongest scumread and I explained clearly the base of my read.

As for the bolded part. That was merely a question. According to the Setup, our alignment has nothing to do with the cards we picked. I had some motivation for talking about the cards. (Although, I must admit, partly because I've been into Tarot for 20 years.) Since noone agreed with me I dropped my idea and didn't bring it up again.

You're on the wrong track, Aj.
FYI: I've already hinted something about myself and I hope that ..."someone" has already picked up my hint. And I don't want to talk more about the topic so early.

[Aneninen]

@Mod: AJ's voting for me. Where is that vote? Eaten by Harry Potter?

[Aneninen]

Actually, the fact that Zelnick is actually Muffinman, makes him even more scummy in my eyes.

[Aneninen]

As for Tammy. I don't know what exactly feels different. No, I haven't checked games I wasn't in, but I've met her a couple of times. Oh, here's one thing. She usually feels obv-town, but not now. However, noone seems to agree with me, so what if I'm wrong...?

how is aneninen different than usual?

I can answer this, even if it wasn't me who had been questioned.
It's a mixture of lack of time and bad gameplay. I've been terrible since the middle of the summer. But I've already posted this. Or was it another game?

nacho already pointed out an instance where Aneninen meta'd someone off one game and was town and wrong.
I know he does dumb things in general.

That.

But, here's something I want to talk about.

VC 1.26 – The leading wagon is Kuroko (4)
VC 1.26 (the same number) – Now it's Wisdom (4) – Oil is on both wagons
VC 1.27 – Now it's Brantz (5) – Oil is there again

Needn't you tell us anything, Oil?

[Aneninen]

VC 1.26 – The leading wagon is Kuroko (4)
VC 1.26 (the same number) – Now it's Wisdom (4) – Oil is on both wagons
VC 1.27 – Now it's Brantz (5) – Oil is there again
Needn't you tell us anything, Oil?

tell us what? are you insinuating it's scummy to be on the leading wagon?

It simply stood out. And as far as I remember, it's not like Nacho. I don't know Syryana, though.

[Aneninen]

Damn you. Now I have to admit to Nacho I was wrong about you.

?
What do you mean by that?

[Aneninen]

Prod dodge; I've only checked the latest pages.

Bacde. If you don't like me or my playstyle, fine. You needn't like me. But your pure dislike doesn't make me scum.

[Aneninen]

As for Muki/Vedith.

Having checked their ISO there were two things.
(1) Muki's vote and scumread on Wisdom seemed to be quite "inorganic"
(2) This in 726:

"Are you saying Zelink is a newb? He has a high post count to be a newb ."

Muffin's slip happened much later and somehow, that line felt as if he's known more about Zelnick than we'd known at that time.

Nothing particularly scummy in Vedith's ISO.
I want to see more from Vedith before deciding what to think.

As for Prohawk... relatively little content, but he may be a lurk-scum. Was he trying to buddy WallOfFire, eg. 1809? Plus, it's only an intuition but some of the posts sound fake, especially 1799; that stands out for me most.
I could join this wagon later if I need to.

[Aneninen]

Your idea would be great... if I were and had been on the major wagons.
Please, don't make me explain that you're performing the Regardless Of Card. I'm busy IRL. Check my Wiki for details.

[Aneninen]

Vedith has hardly done anything so far...

[Aneninen]

I've already posted about that topic. What has changed since then?

[Aneninen]

dude how can you tell me vedith has done nothing? Do you realize he replaced Muki?

I did realize it and posted about the topic in 1925. I meant that nothing had changed

since then

.

[Aneninen]

I took your "vedith has hardly done anything" as a refusal to my "vote vedith already". Was it not so?

Correct. However, it's not a permanent refusal. I'd like to see more content from him before jumping on that wagon.

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Prohawk

VOTE: Vedith

Huh?

He is not part of my bad guy PT. BRantz is, though, and I'm finding it incredibly difficult to bus him. This does not please me.

WHUT?
It's either a terrible joke or something that's clearly against the rules. Right now, I'll pick the first explanation. I can easily see a MuffinMan trolling like that as scum. His later posts didn't change this picture in my mind.

Really? I'm starting to doubt it, tho right now is at most a gut feeling based on your

inactivity here as opposed to elsewhere, which is not strong enough

.

If what you're saying is true, it IS a strong thing. Several scums have been caught via that tell before.

[Aneninen]

Was it for me or for Luna?

[Aneninen]

Hmmmm... which head am I talking to now?

[Aneninen]

Did you post those votes or was it Bins?

[Aneninen]

Although I have limited experience on you, that double-naked vote is not a thing I've seen from you before.
What do you think of Zelnick?

[Aneninen]

What has he done which makes him that town?

[Aneninen]

I saw Muffin as a trolling scum in another game. Although that game was abandoned.

[Aneninen]

Klingonette doesn't look scummy. Or at least, her scumplay I saw was entirely different.

I really don't want to be the fusestopper of this game, but after ISOing Brantz I can't see the reason of that wagon.

Pisskop is very quiet, very quiet... as town he's usually much more talkative.

I'd really like to see your opinions about him

, I mean, all of you. I have a damn good reason for this; we were misreading each other quite a couple of times and we really don't need an unnecessarry Pisskop-Aneninen war.

As for Prohawk, nothing has changed.

I don't like Vedith's latests, especially the jump on the Brantz-wagon. By the way, where did the Vedith-wagon go and why?

UNVOTE:
for now, because that vote seems to be pointless.

[Aneninen]

Is it for everyone?

[Aneninen]

I suppose the wagon must have existed because of his predecessor. The jump on the Brantz wagon didn't seem to be a "well-based" one.

[Aneninen]

I keep hearing this 'i dont townread pk, but nobodys stepping up or talking w/me.

Let's tell us about your reads then.
Although I need to be off now, I promise that at least I'll try not to forget to read and answer it.

[Aneninen]

i was talkimg about this weitd softbus thing betweeb kk abd anen

pedit: okay

Mobilepost.
What softbus?

[Aneninen]

I've just woken up and... What the hell are you all doing???????????????????

[Aneninen]

Oil.
Checking the thread. The latest post is a VC.
When I checked the thread for the last time, there was one vote for me. Now, there are 8. And I wasn't posting anything meanwhile.

Are you saying that in this situation I'M NOT ALLOWED TO BE SURPRISED ENOUGH TO POST A SINGLE LINE ABOUT IT BEFORE EVEN CHECKING WHAT THE FUCK WAS HAPPENING??!??!!

[Aneninen]

I've been doing it since 20 years.
Actually that was one of the two reasons for joining this game.
So, really thanks, everyone for lynching me on Day1 and note the facts that (1) I got 7 fucking votes without writing a single post and (2) I'll flip town. I hope that all those people on my wagon will be lynched-the-fuck-out in the game they joined because of waiting for a game with that flavour for AGES.

[Aneninen]

That was an answer for Klingon's 2876

[Aneninen]

I have approximately 10 minutes because I have to go to work.

My first question is: what is TOWER REVERSED?

[Aneninen]

So, let's see all those votes.

VOTE: Aneninen
Because I've just realized that he's scum.

You should all help me flashwagon this.

No reasoning. Even admitting that it's a flashwagon. Later he put Brantz at L–1. They can't be scums together, by the way. Later they return with a naked vote.

VOTE: Aneninen
Because I've just realized that he's scum.

VOTE: Aneninen
Praise Jesus, you've seen the light.

You were voting for me earlier, so I'm not surprised. Even if you see the twisted light of the alien species being about to invade the Earth. (If it weren't a game I'd eagerly explain what I was talking about.)

VOTE: aneneneneneneneneneninen

Not that I will ACTIVELY oppose this lynch but I like the pigeon better.

Simply WTF. No case or whatever.

vote: anen

I can dream

Same as Medea and WoF. No reasoning behind the vote.

Brantz (not quoting it because of its length) – he had, at least, something to say, plus in his situation it's not an alignment tell to join the building up counter.

VOTE: aneninen

Literally naked vote.

PANCAKES DONT FIX BULLET HOLES
YOU SAY SORRY JUST FOR SHOW
IF YOU LIVE LIKE THAT, YOU LIVE TO

VOTE: ANENINEN

A player who wants me lynched because of reasons totally irrelevant to this game. I'll accept your apology post-game.

Go on then lets she what we can get it to.

UNVOTE: BRantz
VOTE: Aneninen
That's 8 votes.

Sheeping without giving reasons.

And by flash I meant flag...
VOTE: anniennen

Same.

________

Summary.

What the fuck should I respond to this? Apart from Bacde (who wants me dead because I'm Aneninen), AJ (who had been scumreading me before) and Brantz (joining the counter) there was NO reasoning behind all those votes.
Searching for my name in the thread: WoF: lack of Aneninen-ness. Medea: something similar. NOTHING ELSE.

BY THE WAY,

I don't think there's a Tower Reversed role in this game, because...

I PICKED THE TOWER AS MY FIRST CARD. Did so for personal reasons.
Crumb's in 684. (A quote from Depeche Mode: Little Fifteen, another one from The Beatles: I saw her standing there, which starts with the line "she was just seventeen". Between those lines a single word with capitals: ME.)

Having checked it I realized that Brantz gave no thorough explanation about the topic and I think he's simply lying. If so, my wagon is a counter driven by his scumteam.

VOTE: Brantz

[Aneninen]

And Klingonette: The Tower is NOT a bad card at all. Once reaching post-game we can talk about it if you wish to do so.

[Aneninen]

I PICKED THE TOWER AS MY FIRST CARD. Did so for personal reasons.

Do you actually

have

the Tower as your role?

Yes. Although I wouldn't like to post the abilities right now for damn good reasons. (For the same reasons I crumbed the card.) But I can say one thing: my role is MUCH weaker than the thing Brantz claimed.

Post-edit. My two other cards are Page of Cups and Temperance (aka The Alchemist), FYI Klingonette.

[Aneninen]

Oh My Gods, 17 pages?!

Firstly, why did Zelnick die? What danger did he mean? I mean, he could have been lynch-able, I suppose.

Fluff, 2941 – why did you vote Medea here if you were posting about a possible Brantz-Ikazaru connection?

Kuroko, 2942 –

"Brantz flipped traitor... Hmm... That suggests that his partners wouldn't be aware that he's on their team. I'm thinking that they would have, ironically, hopped on for an easy lynch."

– This may be true if the scums didn't know about him as a traitor. However, if they've been (were) informed about Brantz, we are to check the Day1 wagon on me for scums. Also, there's one disturbing thing. If Brantz knew about his buddies, why didn't he pushed my wagon harder? I mean, in that case he must have known that I'm not scum.
Maybe I've phrased this part badly but can you all follow me?

Wisdom, 2956 and nearby – I find it very strange that you call the Brantz wagon terrible whereas you're posting nothing about my wagon. In the Neighbourhood you said something like "wagons like that close to Deadline is normal". Soooo... a wagon reaching lynch on a traitor is terrible, but a wagon with little-to-none reasoning on a townie is normal? That's pigeon poop.
Luna's reaction to the topic in 2982 is a thing I really like.
Also, Wisdom's 2989 seems to be a weird change of the topic. Evasive manouvres, ey'h? (Although, the content itself is a thing which we shouldn't ignore!)

Oil, 2999 – Aha, a positive result! As long as it's not proven that sanities should be questioned, this piece of information overrides everything else.

(Stopped here, I need to go.)

[Aneninen]

Luna: I haven't read the later pages yet, so, sorry!

[Aneninen]

Mobilepost.
I'm not voting yet because I haven't checked a lot of pages.

[Aneninen]

I'll never be able to catch up with all this pages by reading and reflecting to everything so I try to select some important-looking things, okay?

[Aneninen]

ok cool i was just kidding just wanted to make wisdom sheep me for a second

Uhhwhy? Why Wisdom?

That's what is specified on my role PM, it also says that my uncertainty may dissapear with experience.

With experience? With having mere two shots? I don't get it.

I faked a cop guilty for 6 minutes.
That's reasonable as a joke.

Reasonable? I'm not sure. I'd call it bad timing, which is null in itself.

(At 125. Some votes I don't really get. I must have missed a couple of things.)

[Aneninen]

Here are some of my older thoughts I found this morning. (I'd written them down on a paper while reading the thread from mobile. Pages 126-129)

i'll tell you. she posted that we should lynch brantz because tower is the worst tarot card. And when she was told that flavor is not alignment indicative as confirmed by the mod, she just shrugged it off.

This was about Klingonette, who totally seemed to ignore that I have the same card. (Off: yet again, Klingonette, The Tower is not a bad card at all!)

WallOfFire, 3112. You think Luna plays his PR in a wrong way. I must disagree.

I think we got lucky with brantz flipping scum
Idiocy, i voted aneninem because i think he has a good chance of being scum

The first sentence suggests as if you thought the had been a sheer coincidence.
The second one disturbs me a lot. Why do you still think that I'm scum and why did you advocate my lynch in your later posts?

Who wants to lynch anen

Do you really think Brantz was bussing him yesterday?

There's a bigger question. Why did Zelnick die and why am I still alive?

Also, people posting in neighborhoods are bad and should feel bad and must stop doing it immediately.

Whut?

A self-note around 3193. I can see Tammy's townplay here and nearby. I may have been wrong about her before???

I think Brantz pushing Wisdom/KN at the same time suggests that both Wis and KN are town.
I want to lynch in Brantz's null/void reads today. (his 1st read list, not the second)

I must agree with both parts.

If we buy into the latter theory, then this post, the JOAT claim:

I am the Tower Reversed, Town JoaT. I have 4 1-shot abilities: Roleblock, Doctor, Tracker, Jailkeeper. My role also says that other players abilities may change what I do during the game.

becomes some kind of SOS call by Brantz, who is basically showing his entire hand to the scum team and asking them for help.
Scum team then obliges and tries to save him with a flash wagon.

I think the same.

________

I'll check the latter pages soon. Although, don't expect such detailed answers.

[Aneninen]

wait, do you actually think he was a JOAT?

(This was about Brantz.) Is it relevant at all?

we are the town gamechanger
each night we can pick a card and it will do somehting we have no clue what they do and can not pick them again till all cards are used
do what you like with it i call dibs on self hammer

I don't think it's a lie. However, there's nothing alignment indicative about the claim. To me, it shouldn't be considered in the case for/against ika.

I don't think it was a lie either. Even if it's not a Multiball (the single Nightkill suggests so???), a claim like this would expose them to any Nightkills (and the town could have some killing PRs too). Can you all follow my logic?

Every single thing you pushed D1 was actually nonsense. D2 happens, BRantz flips scum. Your reaction? "O, herp derp, all these people who were scum reading him were just lucky, Anen is still scum" for the same nonsensical reasoning you had D1 (aka none).
It is so bad that WOF defending it is in itself bad enough to give me reason to think it's disingenuous regardless of what your alignment is. This is a scenario where all I could say is to shut the fuck up and sheep people who know what they're doing, but you're too stubborn to realize this, soooo.

I never said Anen is still scum, you're confirmed not reading shit
And things you don't understand don't equal nonsense, sorry

True; Bacde keeps saying that.

It's still absolutely god awful that you claim that "BRantz looked town" and "all the people who lynched BRantz were just lucky", without any sign of reevaluating your approach to the game. I don't even know what to say to that if you're town.

Again, wasn't that Bacde?

If he's not lynched today im lynching him tomorrow to test my sanity.

Also, who posted that he/she/they are lovers with Idiocy? I wanted to find it but was unable to do so! (Not even via keywords. Did I misread something?)

(I'm after 133)

[Aneninen]

I think the same.

The shouldn't we be focusing on those that thought his claim made him town?

Yes, we should.

oi, rest of Wisdom wagoners. Idiocy is my lover. Lynch them and I'll die too. Well, sorta. Neither of us is going to flip.

Oh, it was here.
I'd like to see a confirmation for that.
What do you mean by "neither of us is going to flip?"

[Aneninen]

"Neither of you is going to flip" = ?
If you two die, will there be no flip, not even your alignment?

[Aneninen]

Uhh anen, Wisdom saying that the wagon was bad because we hit a traitor and scum thinking it was on town, is akin to saying we got lucky.

But can you explain that flashwagon on me then? By that time there had been a major wagon on Brantz. Either the scum faction of Brantz knew that there was a traitor or they picked up Brantz's "signs". Or both.
Oh, I see, my answer doesn't contradict your post. Maybe I shouldn't read multiple games/different parts of the same game at the same time. (Besides, I'm always afraid of cross-posting.)

[Aneninen]

?

[Aneninen]

I'm really sorry but because of IRL sickness I'm unable to play today.

[Aneninen]

To tell the truth, I felt better yesterday, so, stricktly said I should have been prodded.

[Aneninen]

???
Where did my yesterday's post go?
Never mind, I must have been an idiot and forgot to submit it. Or I don't know.

[Aneninen]

So, a couple of things. (Short summary of my where-did-it-go post)

Bacde, you really should stop that pigeon poop. I don't think you're scum, but what you're doing is almost as terrible that my gameplay has been since the early of the summer.

I don't think these are scum: Tammy, Klingonette, Pisskop, Kagaminette, LunaFoxxxy, maybe Fluffy.
The Ika-hydra is a big question mark. (So is Prohawk?)
Why need we think these are town again list: AJ, Vedith (! wasn't he wagoned earlier?), Medealienette, WoF (gut-feeling, oh Mastin), Perpetual (another gut-read).

Mod

, Ill' be on V/LA. If you think it's unacceptable in my state, feel free to replace me. Even if I really, really want to stay. As I'm back, I'll get involved for real. Promised.
I really miss Mafia, just everything was, has been and is against playing. And I want to be at least that good again I used to be.

I still have a couple of hours and I don't want to V/LA without voting. So, suggestions?

[Aneninen]

Tammy. It happened Yesterday, I posted about it as far as I can remember.
Perpetual. What you're doing is wrong. At Monday night I had a tooth removed, therefore I hardly had energy for anything for a while. Work went harder, plus other additional things to organize. Sometimes not posting useful things can mean

being unable

to do so – and such things may come from things previously unpredicted.

[Aneninen]

Because I simply don't want to be useless while I'm not here.
VOTE: Ika Zaru
My only reason is that Pisskop seems to be a worse idea for me.

[Aneninen]

I'm reading, but I need to check something.
I'll reveal it if it turns out to be relevant at all.

[Aneninen]

Massclaim? Ok for me. But for a full claim you need to wait until I get home.
Cards. The Tower, Page of Cups, The Alchemist (Temperance).
In the Neighbourhood of Fire. I gained it at Day1, in the middle of the Day I think. Then I got into Water. I don't remember when. Maybe at the end of Night1?
Abilities? Almost nothing. I'm enabling someone. His or her name, PR and alignment is unknown for me.

[Aneninen]

Cabd, Luna, whoever. I'm from mobile. Quickscrolled that post and I thought I was on the other list.
Also, It's slow to browse PMs and earlier pages. If it's important I'll check when those Hoods happened.
And I don't think my claim helps us a lot. I'm a weak-oh PR.

[Aneninen]

Tomorrow, okay?
After I've worked for 11 hours I'm simply unable to think.

[Aneninen]

I haven't had time to check the recent pages yet, but I've already seen this:

On Night 3 sent Aneninen some Hungarian children's music. I was surprised he didn't say anything about it so far.

Actually I meant that video by this:

I'm reading, but I need to check something.
I'll reveal it if it turns out to be relevant at all.

So, Plotinus, your action is confirmed by me. Hint: the song has a very strange rhytm, which is common in slavic tradicional music.

[Aneninen]

Apart from being the other Hungarian on Mafiascum, I've had no idea, but I'll think about it. Most probably not because of the rhytm. ^_^
That would be an Aneninen-ish hint, you know, like "oh, you didn't get the extra bit referred to the next person on the playerlist aaaand you should have counted the syllables of the last line to get that the player claimed nth is town"...

[Aneninen]

I know. I was just kidding and mocking my own style of giving crumbs to others. ^_^

[Aneninen]

Hold on, you're a super saint yet you had no issue with Pisskop claiming aesthetic super saint?

That.

[Aneninen]

Now I've had time for reading the Day.
Brantz could be lynched alone because of Yesterday's lynch. In my opinion Ika was clearly a counter-wagon to Brantz.

But now, the question is:
(1) Shall I hammer Brantz right now?
(2) Shall I wait for Plotinus to do the same?
(3) Shall we wait because someone has something important to say?

By the way, if I were scum who was enabling a powerful town-PR I would have let myself lynched on Day1 – or I would have drawn a Vig-kill or a Rolestopper or I-don't-know-what on me. (Most probably the lynch, I suppose. Although I'm not sure. I'd never been thinking about this before I saw someone posting about this possibility.)

[Aneninen]

Now I've had time for reading the Day.
Bacde could be lynched alone because of Yesterday's lynch. In my opinion Ika was clearly a counter-wagon to Bacde.

But now, the question is:
(1) Shall I hammer Bacde right now?
(2) Shall I wait for Plotinus to do the same?
(3) Shall we wait because someone has something important to say?

By the way, if I were scum who was enabling a powerful town-PR I would have let myself lynched on Day1 – or I would have drawn a Vig-kill or a Rolestopper or I-don't-know-what on me. (Most probably the lynch, I suppose. Although I'm not sure. I'd never been thinking about this before I saw someone posting about this possibility.)

Fixed by quote edit.

[Aneninen]

Regardless of L–2, which one of us should hammer? If most of the others don't trust me, I should.
However, who else do you think is scum? – This is a question for everyone.

[Aneninen]

Something has come into my mind. I want to examine something (it's in connection with some stuffs I posted in both of my Neighbourhoods before). Can I have some time for that? I mean, please, don't rush-hammer, okay?

I'll try to do it in a couple of hours. After that, we can lynch Bacde, and if he happens to flip town (which I don't think) we can lynch me Tomorrow if most of you still think that I'm scum.

[Aneninen]

Some thoughts.
Who was the scum on the Ika-wagon? Maybe Prohawk? What shall we think of Medeia? Why should I vote for Klingonette? I've seen her scumplay before and it was very, very different.

Also, I've been thinking.
When Brantz had flipped I was considered obv-town by most. If so, why the f-ck am I still alive? Maybe Tammy and Luna were more obvious targets. (I still don't get the Zelnick-kill, though.) If I'm enabling a town-PR, hooray. However, if it happens to turn out that I'm enabling a

scum

-PR, I'm a utility lynch.

There are concerns that the one who hammers Bacde may die too. Providing there's a chance for that, Plotinus shouldn't hammer. I should. Everyone seems to agree that Plotinus's town whereas some thinks that I'm scum.

[Aneninen]

Did anyone claim it in the reveal stage? Who made Wisdom and Idiocy lovers?

I don't remember anyone claiming that.

Also, now I think on it, the loverised angle confirms Bacde as town.

Do I have to ask why you think it so?
In my opinion this doesn't change anything about him. Also, see below!

Notscience probably did it.

Did he?

Except that scum would loved-ize town-bacde with someone who is confirmed town, thereby both framing bacde and eliminating a conf-town at the same time. This was a town action, as is probably going to be claimed if you insist on it.

I think the same. If it had been a scum action,
They would have chosen eg. Plotinus.

________

In short, I don't think this changes anything about Bacde.

VOTE: Bacde

Not only because noone has asked me to hammer him. Also, because...
I dare you, Vedith! ^_^

________

By the way, I think I know whom I'm enabling.

[Aneninen]

what I'm lovers now?
don't lynch me or vedith today guys this seems like a scum move

Were you not notified of this?

Actually that was very scummy from Bacde. Vedith came out of nowhere only to say that he'd been loverized. Compare that to this.
Also... it's all about survivalism instead of trying to get any reads.
Plus, although that's only my opinion, if a scum had a role like that, they'd wait to use it until LyLo or a LyLo-close situation. (Unless the Loverizer were very close to lynch.) But I must admit, this is sheer speculation.

[Aneninen]

I'm simply too tired to play today. Fortunately, there haven't been too many pages recently so I may be able to catch up later easily.

[Aneninen]

There's something I found strange and needs to be examined.
Please, don't end the Day before it. (Don't even lynch Bacde!)
I hope I'll have time tonight/tomorrow afternoon/whatever.

[Aneninen]

What I find strange is:

Bacde (5): Wall of Fire, Vedith, Perpetual Nonsense, Klingoncelt, Aj The Epic
Not Voting (7): ProHawk, Aneninen, Fluff Central, Bacde, Plotinus, Kamigami, Medea the Alien

There were NO counter-wagons here.

In 5949 Vedith talked about being loverized and also this:

"So I guess if we are lynch him then maybe I should hammer?"

I voted for Bacde in 5965.

Bacde votes for me in 5972. (I can see a scum-Bacde, who used AtE by telling how terrible I am and I should be out of the game because I mis-lynched him before. The latter part is true, sadly said, but that doesn't make him town in this particular game. I'll search for the reference if needed, but this post is not about this topic.)

Perpetual Nonsense unvotes in 5974.

Prohawk votes for Klingonette in 5983. Fluff joins it in 5986. (Actually they vote twice, also in 6038.) Vedith joins the wagon in 6044. WallOfFire joins in 6081 and so does Medeia in 6091.

Kagimani votes for me in 6056. (???)

Klingonette votes for Fluff in 6070 but unvotes a couple of posts later. (??????)

________

For me, the Bacde-wagon seems to be derailed. Either because Bacde's scum – or because Vedith is scum. In the latter case Bacde can't be scum, or at least I don't think that wagon would have been derailed if both of them were scum. (Assuming there are two scums left.)

Klingonette seems to be a scum-driven counter. I still don't think she's scum, based upon my direct meta.
If I'm wrong about Bacde, I strongly think the scums there are Vedith and Prohawk. (Medeia would be my third guess.)

So,

what happens if I'm doing this?

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Vedith

[Aneninen]

Okay CabdMedeia but what do you think of Vedith? Or should I just stand aside and let Klingonette lynched? If she flips scum you can lynch me next. I wouldn't be a big loss anyway. And there will be enough time after that too.

[Aneninen]

I'm all ears, ProHawk.
I was about to vote for Bacde.

[Aneninen]

oh it wore off

Oh?
Well, if I were Loverized, I'd read everything about it carefully. Why do I feel that you're simply lying all the time?

We should lynch Fluff Central today.

Whut?

We're going to lynch through Bacde/Anen/Plot and win this game.

Please, walk me through what the pigeon Plotinus's doing on that list.

Bacde was in jail the night of a kill. Which isn't an innocent but at least we know he didn't kill anyone that night.

Why did you jail Bacde at all?
Firstly, it was very likely that he wouldn't send away the Nightkill.
Secondly, you wouldn't have been able to save him from getting killed. Let's assume we're wrong about him. Scums could have targetted Vedith to get rid of Bacde too. (If we're wrong, he may be telling the truth about being a bomb.)
Also, with 11 players alive (before the Night), including 2 scums (most probably), scums could have Nightkilled Vedith/Bacde to speed up the game. There are quite a few lynchable players alive, starting with me. The Nightkill, for me, strongly suggests that either Vedith or Bacde is scum.

fine
we'll lynch anen first so that bacde has no regrets
is this acceptable, bacde?

Vote: Anen

Okay, okay.
Assuming we're lynching me, can we lynch Bacde next? Or is there an even better option? I'll flip town.

[Aneninen]

By the way, did anyone received a video or something else Last Night?

Also,

Bacde

, if you get lynched, will you kill automatically the one who hammers you?

[Aneninen]

Just stop at L-1 okay? I'm working now.

[Aneninen]

Fferyllt

there clearly must be more votes on me than 2!
Please, re-check it!

[Aneninen]

VOTE: Aneninen

[Aneninen]

Soon you'll know that I was telling the truth all the time.

I was town.
By the way, Bacde, you're coming with me.
I loverized us two minutes before the vote. Funny, isn't it?
Maybe I shouldn't have Loverized you and Vedith, but I wanted to see what was happening. Your wagon got derailed, which, for me, tells that one of you is scum. More likely it's you. If not, it's Vedith. (If both of you are town, why was your wagon derailed and why weren't you two Nightkilled?)

If Bacde flips scum, Plotinus is town. There was a Nightkill and he sent away a video. Actually I think I was enabling him, because of the

meaning

of the video he sent me. If I'm right, I'm not useful here at all – and even if I'm wrong about everything, two scummy-looking players are out of the Lynch Pool now.

If either Bacde or Vedith is scum, the other scum is Whiteknighting me all the time, search for him/her amongst those players.

Nevertheless, have fun and go for it townies! There will be 7:1 or 7:2 by Tomorrow, and even the latter one shows a decent chance for winning.

[Aneninen]

Good game, and I think the scums did it well.
Thanks for modding, Fferyllt!

This time I wasn't utterly terrible but I still think I added very little to this game.
(That'swhy I think WinRate is pigeon poop. I was on the winning side again while the other side played much better than me.)

[Aneninen]

Pre-ins are welcome!

Pre-in anything you do. ^_^
(Also saying sorry in advance if I happen not to be able to join because of IRL things or whatever.)