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I am really just not sure with A50. I mean, overall I think his game has been shifty. I think his ideas and theories have been out there. I mean he never fails to have a suggestion regardless of the fact I rarely agree. The thought of another third party makes my skin crawl because it continuously stacks the odds against the town. This I simply cannot understand.-
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think it was a double kill?In post 5309, beeboy wrote:The real question is where did the last kill go :/-
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In post 5333, Maxous wrote:In post 5329, Suzune wrote:I'm not worried because I know I am loved. But, it feels like the setup for a lol hammer.
i thought you're vengeful?
Vengeful assumes I can have any target I want, like in vengeful mafia.
I am just a supersaint. I kill the one who hammers me. If a townie hammers me, then two townies will de.-
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Yes. I was informed of it day two when I asked about being loved and what happens as the game ticks down. While I never stop being a supersaint I can lose the loved status. I outted yesterday that it goes away in a lylo situation as it is not allowed to create a stand still.
I was thinking. If there are four scum left and an sk. There would be three townies. This would mean it matters not if one of them does because they would still be in a majoity if the supersaint goes off. This assumes it is not multi all though. We would still be clear though if it was. Just tactically we must be playing right into their hands.-
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information is power. Perhaps someone felt threatened.In post 5348, Elyse wrote:Why would someone roleblock me-
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Huh. Went against what I thought was going to happen.
I want to vote but I will put him at l-1. Shall we hold a little?-
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it is a thing. But it happens pretty rarely and usually to make a point.In post 5362, popsofctown wrote:Self hammering. It's a thing.-
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These are probably not popular opinions but it is at this point that I am going to share them.
The person here to who makes the most sense to me is Pops. I know that sounds crazy but from the wacky claim to the post right now. I get the most townie feeling from him. I think this is very against what everyone else seems to think, but something about the way he is viewing the game rings true to how I am feeling right now.
I am actually quite distrustful of beeboy. I feel like he goes with the flow too much and latching on to people's ideals and thoughts because it gives him strength and cover. I think the role he claimed is much too powerful to be true. Imagine that a game where the last townie has to be lynched because they commute every night. That seems kind of impossible and while it sounds amazing, it is that very amazingness that causes me to pause.
I will be honest with you, either flubber and nero are not on the same scum team. Or something is up. I expected, hell I would have put money down on Nero coming back vanilla. I cannot tell you how my eyebrows I want to raise that it came back false. I have half the gut to turn around and lynch flubber.
While I would love the chance to sk a Skull game again. I am frankly not good at being sk. So at least this time, it is not me.-
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Makes me feel slightly better and provides more balance to the town. Probably you should not have said that second part.In post 5385, beeboy wrote:In post 5384, Suzune wrote:I am actually quite distrustful of beeboy. I feel like he goes with the flow too much and latching on to people's ideals and thoughts because it gives him strength and cover. I think the role he claimed is much too powerful to be true. Imagine that a game where the last townie has to be lynched because they commute every night. That seems kind of impossible and while it sounds amazing, it is that very amazingness that causes me to pause.
I commute e\/ery other night.-
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If we are already there, then we take out chances today. Sometimes you have to make a bold move. I tend to panic in lylo. So we shall see what happens.In post 5388, beeboy wrote:In post 5387, Suzune wrote:Makes me feel slightly better and provides more balance to the town. Probably you should not have said that second part.
I already claimed it is e\/ery other night. If scum think I am scum I am going to be lynched e\/entually anyway if I don't get killed.
I really don't want to be ali\/e in Lylo in all honesty anyway if we aren't already in it.-
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In post 5186, YT2980 wrote:Rob13 - Gunsmith
Elyse - Claptrap, Conditional Miller Neighbourizer
Almost50 - Face McShooty, Self-Redirecting Martyr
YT2980 - Fiona, One-Shot Lynchproof
Maxous - TK Baha, Friendly Neighbor
beeboy - Lilith, Auto Commuter
Suzune - Roland, Loved SuperSaint
Nero Cain - Captain Scarlett, Vanilla Townie
Flubbernugget - Yvette, Ascetic Vanilla Cop
popsofctown - Colonel T. Zarpadon, Dead Thread Oracle
SirCakez - Axton, Vanilla Townie
T S O - Helena Pierce, Town FBI Agent
See our fancy list here, does not mention you are commuter every other night.-
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I swear this is what he claimed.In post 5394, Elyse wrote:Beeboy I thought you claimed auto commuter. As in every night
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I can see my reading was of excellent quality then, considering I was quoted but did not allow the response to sink in.In post 5398, SirCakez wrote:In post 4778, beeboy wrote:In post 4776, Suzune wrote:Yeah I know. Gladiator + Supersaint
I know everything seems to be in pairs. It is the two of the same that interest me.
Sigh...
I think this will just escalate things eyen further but I am only a eyen night commuter.
I just didn't want people to waste actions on me/ be nked.
Yeah he did, odd.-
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Okay, for some reason this really annoys me. It annoys me because I suggested it on day two and everyone acted like it was a horrible idea. Since then everyone seems to suddenly think it is a good idea.In post 5406, SirCakez wrote:That's a good point. Scum probably has a redirector.-
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If it makes you feel better. I have been wondering about Rob for a while. I think someone has to be lying there are way to many unlucky coincidences.In post 5425, beeboy wrote:My problem is if Flubber is lying then Rob is probably also lying.
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maybe someone halfed their role. When I was sk. I claimed FBI agent. But I was really the Serial Killer and the cop. So the deputy was kind of confused. So I assume someone halved their role in order to fake claim and someone can use pops power.In post 5438, beeboy wrote:True but Pop's wouldn't ha\/e a role with 0 purpose so I am \/ery confident he is scum-
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Honestly, I just feel like it is too weird to be fake. I assume the sk can probably read the question.In post 5442, Suzune wrote:
maybe someone halfed their role. When I was sk. I claimed FBI agent. But I was really the Serial Killer and the cop. So the deputy was kind of confused. So I assume someone halved their role in order to fake claim and someone can use pops power.In post 5438, beeboy wrote:True but Pop's wouldn't ha\/e a role with 0 purpose so I am \/ery confident he is scum-
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Wouldn't we know if she was a miller? We should have seen it on the flip right?In post 5448, beeboy wrote:What if Mimi was a miller o.o-
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Flubbers could be explained with a lie, I suppose. Likewise, yours could too.In post 5451, Rob14 wrote:Redirectors do not explain my result or flubber's.-
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Millar is a status that makes it so all investigative abilities on you come back scum. Likewise a reverse miller is when all investigative abilities come back town when you are scum.In post 5455, beeboy wrote:In post 5450, Suzune wrote:
Wouldn't we know if she was a miller? We should have seen it on the flip right?In post 5448, beeboy wrote:What if Mimi was a miller o.o
Ah I misunderstand Miller then.-
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Well...it would solve a major problem with the kind of claims we are getting.In post 5458, beeboy wrote:So Rob and Nero/Flubber are scum?-
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Well three possibilities really:In post 5461, beeboy wrote:Why can't we ha\/e normal scum who target the cops?
1. One all the cops are scum
2. The cops are unreliable so the scum feels no need to kill them
3. Some kind of ingame rule is messing with results.
Right, but Rob has been coasting on the not my fault for a long time.-
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It does not have to be bastard. He just might have fudged it a little to make it a better story.In post 5466, beeboy wrote:Rob is basically conf bastard role if Suzune is right.-
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Why are you against rob?In post 5470, SirCakez wrote:Mimi would have known if she was a miller, otherwise it would be a bastard game.
No we aren't lynching Rob, we are lynching either Nero or Pops.-
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Not what I was testing.In post 5496, beeboy wrote:In post 5494, Suzune wrote:I am running a test of your play.
My thought process is pretty clear honestly.-
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Beeboy I think you are interesting to play with. I would totally play with you again.
But, sometimes I think you compromise too much to remain in the clear. Those posts read as compromises to me. Compromises of feelings, actions, and positions. I am not sure if you do this to stay in the game, but it is odd.-
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I do not know what this means.In post 5522, beeboy wrote:{Rob. Pops}
{Elyse, Nero}
{Flubber, Cakes}
{Max, Suzune}
This is basically where I stand right now.-
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In post 5520, popsofctown wrote:be mean to me Suzune.
Tell me what you really think of me.
HIT ME HARD SUZUNE
I have no reason to be mean to you. My gut says you are town. It is an unpopular opinion, but a lot of it is hinging on your role claim. Of everything claimed, it seems the most likely to fit and I think it fits well with the usual tricks in a Skull game. That being said you do little to make me want to not lynch you, you fail to win over the town, and you come off looking scummy. However, I find that I agree with your reads. So that throws me off too. So if anything stop being so confusing and play clearer.-
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You do not play enough tactical games. My guts says I should give you a pep talk. But maybe we should save that for after the game as I remain wary of your alignment.In post 5521, beeboy wrote:Nah Suzune you didn't come off as insulting at all. I don't belie\/e I played like that on day 1,2 and 3 but it is just once we got into a game state where town controlled 50% of the \/otes I got \/ery ner\/ous. We are basically in Lylo and I don't want to be the reason town loses in a 24p game since it just wouldn't be a good feeling to know that I messed it up for town.-
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I think rob created an exploitable hole. By lynching him we close it a little bit.In post 5530, beeboy wrote:But for real Rob needs to get roped or this mod needs to get better roles.-
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Well flubber it changed into the fact that Rob created kind of a loophole when he tunneled Nichole. This loopshole created a window where the town suddenly could no longer trust the results given because what if all the results were wrong. This window can be easily exploitable and we are now looking for lynch rob for the creation of said window. As, we have been told the game is not bastard. Therefore, I think a creative lie may have put us in the dark.-
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Well, and this is not a discredit to you, but what happens makes everything else seem unreliable. We have been told over and over that it is not a bastard game. Therefore, something has to give, I firmly think there has to be a lie somewhere and I am hunting for it. When Flubber came back today and said that Nero was not vanilla. This sent my doubts through the roof. Something is wrong and while I do not know what it is, I am determined to get to the bottom of it.
I considered Flubber that it was an appeal at emotion. Like when someone says, "I'll make a bet". This effects other people's perceptions. Since he did not actually replace out, I feel conflicted.-
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My feelings on this are actually very simple. You got a link on something that seemed good. Regardless of what Nicole showed you, you stood behind your result regardless. Even though opinion was beginning to sway, but a guilty was a guilty. When the hammer came down Nicole was revealed by herself once again to be town. At this point you could not and did not believe it. Said you would replace out if she was indeed town because bastard elements. She was revealed to indeed be town. Mod confirmed the game was not bastard. Yet rather then try to figure out your role you admit to not using it because it was not valuable. This seems odd to me because we lacked the chance to be able to understand it and work it out as a town. This raised red flags for me because while your reasoning was sound, it sounded like a convenient cover.In post 5550, Rob14 wrote:All this talk of "loopholes" and "windows" is either nonsense or obscuring your actual meaning. Your case on me is that I got a guilty on Mimi that shouldn't have been possible. I agree. But don't pretend that anything changed - you've had this info since Mimi's flip.
I would have put serious money on Nero coming back vanilla in the check. This set off red flags for me. First it told me that Nero and Flubber were not on the same team. But then the results began to be muffled. We began to worry about the validity of the data received. This further coupled with the mod's foundation that the game was not bastard. Therefore, there had to be a lie in there. Someone lied and covered. I traced it back to you because you were the first person to have the strange result that resulted in destruction for the town. So there was something there, some lie that created an apparent bastard situation. Does this makes sense to you Rob?-
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Well, I guess, if I thought he was playing dishonestly I would just say that. Rather I think he played a scum hand well and deceived a lot of people. I am trying to trace the origin of the problem in hopes of finding a solution for the town. This seemed like the starting point.In post 5554, Flubbernugget wrote:@suzune you're accusing rob of playing dishonesty and using a lot of extra words to do it-
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Let us be very clear. I am not accusing him of doing anything illegal.In post 5555, Flubbernugget wrote:replace out for a wincon are explicitly illegal to my knowledge-
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I'm just trying to imput logic into a situation that I do not fully understand in order to hopefully find some pieces that fit.In post 5557, Suzune wrote:
Well, I guess, if I thought he was playing dishonestly I would just say that. Rather I think he played a scum hand well and deceived a lot of people. I am trying to trace the origin of the problem in hopes of finding a solution for the town. This seemed like the starting point.In post 5554, Flubbernugget wrote:@suzune you're accusing rob of playing dishonesty and using a lot of extra words to do it-
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Why do we have so many false positives though, that is what drives me crazy.In post 5562, Maxous wrote:Nicole was a false positive for a gunsmith much like Elyse is a false positive for RC's cop and maybe pops is a false positive for Flubbernugget.