Pick Your Power 6: The Revival (Game Over!)

[Aristophanes]

The real question is why bring that up for public consumption? Like, why draw attention to that at all Fire Assassin?

The real question is, is this a real question? Or something to make you look busy.

Hahaha! Love you Fire!

Read up to this point, would vote House or Lady.

Continuing my read.

[Aristophanes]

SO

I have four neighor slots open, who wants to be my neighbor tomorrow?

/in

[Aristophanes]

You guys can thank me for scum being deprived of strongman.

I spent all my points bidding on the role even though I'm town just to keep it out of scum hands.

No one asked you to claim o.o

Who said I wait to be asked to do anything?

You realize even by saying "The scum can't have this item, because I stole it" you out the fact you likely don't have any other power roles and thus are not going to be night killed. So odds of a real town power role dying is increased because of this.

Or did you not think of that?

It also removes a bunch of WIFOM for protective PRs who no longer have to worry about whether their intended target will in fact be protected.

It also makes one less person for protective roles to have to worry about protecting, increasing the odds they save somebody that matters.

Or did you not think of that?

it also incrases the chance of real PRs that matter getting hit. like the protective PRs we were talking about..?

Fire said the same thing. That's what House was responding to.
Or did you miss that?

[Aristophanes]

This is as good as I have to start with.
VOTE: House

[Aristophanes]

That is possibly the worst vote you could have made.

Why?
I dislike his logics and I agree that he may be scum who didn't get the Strongman, and is posing as town because of it.
ZZZX was my other option. But I know already that it wouldn't fly.

[Aristophanes]

I dislike his logics and I agree that he may be scum who didn't get the Strongman, and is posing as town because of it.

And... what do you think happens to House if someone else flips strongman?

I mean that I think he went for strongman as scum, didn't get it, and thus knows there is no strongman. So he is claiming to have gone for it as a block despite actually having been blocked!

[Aristophanes]

Is anyone opposed to me sharing a small tidbit about my bids? I don't think it could possibly hurt.

What would the point be at this time? Would it make a large impact on the current gamestate? Or would it be best to keep under wraps for a while?

He already did it lol.
And yeah, I was thinking scum put 1 person to go 100% on Strongman. Am I being too presumptuous?

[Aristophanes]

am i the only one who didn't think scum got to discuss their bids

They did. It says so in the scum sample pm.

P.edit - This post didn't load properly and u somehow got multininjad. At least the game is active!

[Aristophanes]

Man like this is so over the top I feel like you're trying to fake a town slip here.

that sequence of posts was in no way something i couldn't fake and should not be taken as such

because self meta is gr8.

[Aristophanes]

ZZZX was my other option. But I know already that it wouldn't fly.

Why not?

Cephrir said so, so I assumed it was unlikely.

[Aristophanes]

That is possibly the worst vote you could have made.

Why?
I dislike his logics and I agree that he may be scum who didn't get the Strongman, and is posing as town because of it.
ZZZX was my other option. But I know already that it wouldn't fly.

ITT: Aristophanes is butthurt that I deprived him off his role.

VOTE: Aristophanes

Cute, but no.

[Aristophanes]

So I did the same thing as House, but spent them all on ninja. Spent all of my points on town Ninja. I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but I thought I would share this.

Important question, did you win ninja or are you a VT?

[Aristophanes]

So I did the same thing as House, but spent them all on ninja. Spent all of my points on town Ninja. I haven't finished reading the thread yet, but I thought I would share this.

Important question, did you win ninja or are you a VT?

I assume his post says that he didnt get it. Since hes saying hes the same as house

Also if hes town does it matter if he got it since from my understanding town ninja does... nothing?

I still want my answer.

[Aristophanes]

Am I the only one having a hard time believing that one townie just happened to steal strongman from scum, and another townie just happened to steal ninja?

Tell me, UTL, why is that so hard to believe?

[Aristophanes]

Seriously, Ari? 2 townies that have no way to talk to each other to coordinate anything just happen to have the EXACT SAME IDEA and take both of those? Really?

REALLY?

Really really!

[Aristophanes]

Seriously, Ari? 2 townies that have no way to talk to each other to coordinate anything just happen to have the EXACT SAME IDEA and take both of those? Really?

REALLY?

What about our claims look coordinated?

She said you wouldn't have been able to coordinate, thus it's harder to believe for her.

[Aristophanes]

Am I the only one having a hard time believing that one townie just happened to steal strongman from scum, and another townie just happened to steal ninja?

Tell me, UTL, why is that so hard to believe?

This interaction looks bass-ackwards.

?tahw os, llew hO

[Aristophanes]

Ari, you seriously believe this shit?

Yes.
I do believe this.
I am wearing my serious face as I say this, UTL.

[Aristophanes]

why is that so hard to believe? securing roles or preventing scum getting them isn't exactly an idea only a rocket surgeon could come up with

i don't think ninja (or strongman, really) is so valuable that it requires this but i don't see it as odd that two people would do this and i don't see it as odd that they chose different roles

Infact, if we just isolate those 2 people as "people who want to bid 100 on strongman or ninja" and we look at all the possibilities, isn't it just a 50% chance that they'll pick different ones or the same one?

#Mathclass

[Aristophanes]

why is that so hard to believe? securing roles or preventing scum getting them isn't exactly an idea only a rocket surgeon could come up with

i don't think ninja (or strongman, really) is so valuable that it requires this but i don't see it as odd that two people would do this and i don't see it as odd that they chose different roles

Infact, if we just isolate those 2 people as "people who want to bid 100 on strongman or ninja" and we look at all the possibilities, isn't it just a 50% chance that they'll pick different ones or the same one?

Yeah, but I don't think I was even the only one that went all in on strongman.

[Redacted]
I want my answer from Anvil before I address this.

[Aristophanes]

Thanks Anvil.
So we know Ninja was not worth an all in for scum. And we know that Strongman was worth an all in, or that another townie had the same ides as House, or both.

Thank you.

Holy ninjas :S

[Aristophanes]

What happened to your Lady read between these two posts?

She's being pretty good and I'd like to see more of it. I read her alright until we got fighting last game we played, so I can let that sit on the back burner for a while.

I could also vote Aristophanes

The majority of his conversation has surrounded the draft claims and I don't like how he goes from shading the fuck out of House's strongman draft claim to believing the other guy's ninja claim unconditionally

Ari outside of draft claims what are some of your reads?

You're right, I haven't done much. I like how you called me out on it here. This is town Spiff.

[Aristophanes]

Why is everyone on IAI?
I've liked him this far.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: thestatusquo

Concurring with hiplop's feelings about 119.

Does anyone else think I Am Innocent's posts feel really fake?

No, I do not think I am Innocents posts look fake.
I have seen about 3-4 players mention something looking "fake" already, and its becoming a buzzword in this game. So no, I think 90% of the players are wrong.

FAKE!

Spoiler:

<3

[Aristophanes]

What happened to your Lady read between these two posts?

She's being pretty good and I'd like to see more of it. I read her alright until we got fighting last game we played, so I can let that sit on the back burner for a while.

I could also vote Aristophanes

The majority of his conversation has surrounded the draft claims and I don't like how he goes from shading the fuck out of House's strongman draft claim to believing the other guy's ninja claim unconditionally

Ari outside of draft claims what are some of your reads?

You're right, I haven't done much. I like how you called me out on it here. This is town Spiff.

I'm no good at larges until D2-3. Just so you know.
I do think Spiff is town for this though.

Imma read Light. He struck me as odd in almost everry post he's mane. But is it Scum oddity? We shall see.

That is possibly the worst vote you could have made.

Why?
I dislike his logics and I agree that he may be scum who didn't get the Strongman, and is posing as town because of it.
ZZZX was my other option. But I know already that it wouldn't fly.

Am I the only one having a hard time believing that one townie just happened to steal strongman from scum, and another townie just happened to steal ninja?

Tell me, UTL, why is that so hard to believe?

Is nobody else curious about this flip?

Is this a question or...?

i am very much curious about aristophanes in general

I am too!
What a peculiar fellow he is!

Ari outside of draft claims what are some of your reads?

This is a work in progress and I'm posting as they develop.
Too many to work out atm. Got a few rolling though.

Is nobody else curious about this flip?

i am very much curious about aristophanes in general

Yeah that flip looks super dodgy. And yet afterwards he takes UnexpectedAnvil's word that he got the ninja? That's curious.

Especially considering the fact ninja is a less powerful role than strongman.

If I had used my points on ninja and UA on strongman, I could see why he'd doubt mine and be more likely to believe UA.

His opinions just read all kinds of backwards.

It's like you don't get me. I'm a very backwards guy!
We're more alike than you think though!

That's page 17 done. On to 18!
Cutting this because it got long. Sorry!
Your fault for talking about me

[Aristophanes]

Voting house is stupid at this point. We're probably both town I guess.
UNVOTE:

[Aristophanes]

Getting ninja'd as I go. Will get to those is due time.

[Aristophanes]

so close to replacing out between this/fire assassin

Don't go Hippy!
I love playing with you

[Aristophanes]

He's lurking (been online lots without posting), the few posts he's made have little content that helps to progress the game: he's been trying to look like he's busy without being busy. I don't get his vote on UTL considering he actually is active, and in total he's presented basically nothing to progress the game and help us lynch scum.

As for who else is scummy I have a unsure scumread read on Aristophanes due to his contradictory posting, and a weak scumread on I Am Innocent: I don't think his comments in reply to UTL add up.

Is Lurking scummy inherently?

How can he be trying to look busy while also HARD lurking? Isn't that counter productive intents? It seems you must be assuming that TSQ is either incompetent or deliberately working against himself?

Why is UTL being active make him a less attractive lynch that TSQ? Do you think UTL is town because they're active? Is activity a measure of town alignment?

Show me Ari's contradictory posting, and show me how that posting has scum intent.

Which comments by IAI with regards to UTL are you specifically referring to? Why don't they add up and why does this only add up to a weak scum read?

Just a tiny PSA:
UTL HAS LADYBITS! She is a She!

Now, please return to your regularly scheduled Lynching.
Sorry for the disruption.

[Aristophanes]

Hiplop, what didn't you like about that post by LLD that I just quoted?
I thought it had good motivations showing through!

[Aristophanes]

Voting house is stupid at this point. We're probably both town I guess.
UNVOTE:

What happened that made you change your read?

I decided to stop being a stubborn brat about this.

[Aristophanes]

Another PSA:

You don't have to have ladybits to be a she.

Also, aris, have you done literally anything of note this game? If so please point said things of note out to me posthaste.

This is true.
But just take my word on it!

As for things of note, I argued about the Draft mostly. Thus my trying to do things of note atm. Or at least, things to sort shit.
I'm trying here, basically.

[Aristophanes]

Hiplop, what didn't you like about that post by LLD that I just quoted?

I was being sassy + didn't want Shea given the pass. I think shes town ^_^

Coolio!

[Aristophanes]

lets just lynch spiffeh

But like...he's probably town.
Why do you want to lynch town?

[Aristophanes]

Voting house is stupid at this point. We're probably both town I guess.
UNVOTE:

What happened that made you change your read?

I decided to stop being a stubborn brat about this.

Come now, there's been twenty pages of content. Surely, there's a reason you changed your mind about being a stubborn brat.

What was it?

Well, was I being at all productive? Did I help the game any?
Perhaps it was the page I read previous to unvoting (17) upon which I was berated for it.
However it had lost its flair already anyway before that.

Plus, it was intended to see how you would react with the pushes from me. You did alright, so why pursue it?
I'll come back to it later if I have to.

[Aristophanes]

Another PSA:

You don't have to have ladybits to be a she.

Also, aris, have you done literally anything of note this game? If so please point said things of note out to me posthaste.

This is true.
But just take my word on it!

As for things of note, I argued about the Draft mostly. Thus my trying to do things of note atm. Or at least, things to sort shit.
I'm trying here, basically.

So I'm not wrong that almost all of your posts are just like...there...like furniture. They don't do anything, right?

I mean, that's a bit harsh. I was trying to sort things with them. They had reasons for being posted.
They just ended up not doing much.

I suppose they're like that futon you bought so you could have people sleep over. Then you ended up not having people over or they all were responsible and left on time. Well intended, but semi-useless.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think Aristophanes is scum. Though I don't like his reads, though I often rarely do.

Hahaha Tell me about it!

[Aristophanes]

I'm at Page 19 atm. Will finish up then respond I guess.

You vs Hippy was interesting, but I don't think you are scum for it or for activity, not do I find him scummy for the bad push. I see that more often from TownLop than ScumLop IIRC.

[Aristophanes]

Lets just lynch GreyIce, for a better tomorrow.

But GreyIce is so great! Why are we lynching him other than sounding mechanical to you?

[Aristophanes]

Lets just lynch GreyIce, for a better tomorrow.

But GreyIce is so great! Why are we lynching him other than sounding mechanical to you?

I don't think he is reading the actual game and/or scumhunting.
So, he is just going through the motions of the game.

And scum aren't so great, so we should lynch scum. Therefore, vote GreyIce

I like this actually. Will Iso once I am caught up!

[Aristophanes]

Shea, you're making a big deal about being voted for what you seem to think is solely inactivity, yet that's exactly what you voted me for. The thing is, you voted me about 7 hours after the game started, and about 6 hours after my last post. On top of that, you know I'm a few hours behind you, and you were calling me out at about not posting much at 9AM your time (6AM for me)? Really? Hell, at that point I don't think everybody had posted in the game yet. Your vote was terrible and made no fucking sense.

After your one bad post, you disappeared long enough to get prodded. Like, I know activity isn't necessarily AI, but can you really blame anybody for wanting to pressure your slot? And why are you only going after hiplop? He's not the only one on your wagon. Your reaction to him was blown way over the top for the situation IMO.

Holy shit this was defensive :S

UTL, everything alright?
If so, I have to assume this has a scummy development.
It's not to do with being right or wrong, because you're correct here. It's to do with where this is coming from, which is potentially very scummy.

[Aristophanes]

To continue answering your questions, Shea..
Re: Katsuki
I don't think this is town Kats but I don't think he needs sorting today.
I'm also not the greatest at reading him, so keep that in mind.
His posts just have something about them that makes me think scum.
*insert acknowledgement for hatred of gut reads here*

[Aristophanes]

Hahaha See, this is the kinda shit I wanted House!
Your town motivation is showing finally!

[Aristophanes]

Now if you could just put this effort into a case on actual scum, we could be best of friends!

[Aristophanes]

Btw, do you want me to address anything in that or what?
I can, just let me know.

[Aristophanes]

Keep your buddying to yourself Aristo.

Don't think I didn't notice that you all of a sudden decided to do something to try to look like you weren't a big useless sack of nothing, but I'm not buying it. It smacks of "oh shit, I need to do damage control."

More like "Oh shit, I've been useless and now have time to do some shit. Maybe I should!"
But however you like to read it...

And I'm not buddying. I genuinely liked that post!

[Aristophanes]

I am strongly considering voting Arist.

For some reasons house mentions and some others.

Yeah, I get that a lot lol

[Aristophanes]

[1a.]Who are town type people. [1b.]Who are scum type people.

[2.]What do you think of me vs. hiplop.

[3.]What do you think of firebringer vs. hiplop.

[4.]What do you think of katsuki.

[5.]What do you think of hiplops spiffeh vote.

1a. LLD, Hippy, TSQ, House, Fire ASSASSIN, Spiffeh
1b. Kats, ZZZX, UTL, Light (pending my reread), Cephrir
* These are in no specific order but have varying degrees of certainty. All reads are subject to change. Batteries not included.

2. Addressed that. Honestly TvT.

3. I didn't really think this was a thing. He was kind of in the backseat while you two fought over the radio station. But I did get towny things from him as well.

4. As I said, I gotta reread him, but something in my gut tells me scum.

5. Dumb vote. I expect more from Hiplop. Not sure there's anything else to say about this.

[Aristophanes]

Btw, do you want me to address anything in that or what?
I can, just let me know.

Why do you feel the need to ask permission to address a case against you?

If you're town, you'll address it without prompt because you'll know it can't be valid by virtue of your alignment.

If you're scum, I can see trying to slip by with a "hey, I offered to answer it but he didn't say I should!" if I ignored your post.

I asked because there's not much I can actually address here and, in thinking you are now towny, I wish not to clutter the thread with either boring reasons breaking down your case, nor with a useless TvT.
I can address things if you like, but I don't see the inherent need for it!

[Aristophanes]

Btw, do you want me to address anything in that or what?
I can, just let me know.

Why do you feel the need to ask permission to address a case against you?

If you're town, you'll address it without prompt because you'll know it can't be valid by virtue of your alignment.

If you're scum, I can see trying to slip by with a "hey, I offered to answer it but he didn't say I should!" if I ignored your post.

I asked because there's not much I can actually address here

and, in thinking you are now towny, I wish not to clutter the thread with either boring reasons breaking down your case, nor with a useless TvT.
I can address things if you like, but I don't see the inherent need for it!

Clarify the underlined, please.

What I mean to say is that a lot of your post is just quotes. I cannot address them because they are simply that.
For actual content, it is there, but much of it is opinion based, and thus cannot be addressed in a productive fashion.

As for things which can actually be addressed, I have previously addressed some of them.
The rest are either minimal or nit-picky.

It will honestly waste everyone's time.

[Aristophanes]

scumreads aren't the only thing that can be confbiased, sport.

True, except I haven't read anything as fake by him and he does seem like he is thinking about the game. Maybe I am wrong, but I have good vibes on the guy. Your case didn't hold much water to me.

Thinking about the game? That's a blatant lie. By his own admission he hasn't been thinking about the game!

However, I am now!

[Aristophanes]

Whatever.

FA is playing well and I like it.

I answered your questions, Shea.

I think this thing with house is becoming laughable.

What else would you like from me?

[Aristophanes]

Well of course you wouldn't address the quoted content in my post. But then, my case is not within the quoted content which renders your excuse laughable.

I'll respond then, holy shit!

[Aristophanes]

Either you're wrong, or he's a traitor.

First off, what does this actually mean!? I am either scum, or I'm a traitor. So are you calling me antitown or what? Because this literally makes zero fucking sense!

So, after proclaiming me scum and developing his pet theory about how my play is scum motivated, he takes UA's claim at face value. What? If anything my claim is the more credible of the two merely because I wasn't the one that sat back and waited to see how town would react first.

Okay, well there are a few things wrong here.
1. Not a pet theory. It was my working theory at the time, and I have now come off it.
2. I asked him questions to clarify whether he got it or not first actually. I found the duality and the late mention of it interesting.
I also don't think scum would claim that if they got the role. My theory on you was that you were going for the role as scum, had been blocked, and were using it as a town-claim. Anvil saying he got Ninja is far less likely to be from scum imo. I stand by that.
3. He didn't "sit back and wait for out reactions." He wasn't around to claim it, by his own admission.

So now, he seems to believe we could both be telling the truth.... yet he's still voting me. If he truly believes I'm being honest, why wouldn't he have unvoted me by this point?
...
200 posts later, he finally gives up and slinks off my wagon.

Yeah, and I had 3 posts in between. Guess what they were? Proddodges where I admitted I had neither read much, nor had done anything substantial.
Boo-fucking-Hoo I hadn't unvoted you!
I included these posts below so you can see my lack of actual fucks being given to the game at that point.

What happened to your Lady read between these two posts?

She's being pretty good and I'd like to see more of it. I read her alright until we got fighting last game we played, so I can let that sit on the back burner for a while.

I could also vote Aristophanes

The majority of his conversation has surrounded the draft claims and I don't like how he goes from shading the fuck out of House's strongman draft claim to believing the other guy's ninja claim unconditionally

Ari outside of draft claims what are some of your reads?

You're right, I haven't done much. I like how you called me out on it here. This is town Spiff.

Why is everyone on IAI?
I've liked him this far.

VOTE: thestatusquo

Concurring with hiplop's feelings about 119.

Does anyone else think I Am Innocent's posts feel really fake?

No, I do not think I am Innocents posts look fake.
I have seen about 3-4 players mention something looking "fake" already, and its becoming a buzzword in this game. So no, I think 90% of the players are wrong.

FAKE!

Spoiler:

<3

1) No, he HAS NOT been at all productive.
2) No, he HAS NOT advanced the game state.
3) Perhaps? You can't even state for certainty the reason you decide to unvote someone?
4) Your alleged push was not scumhunting by any stretch of the imagination. You fabricated a theory that painted me as scum for one action, but gave credibility to another player FOR THE VERY SAME ACTION. Can you now fabricate a theory as to why you swallowed their claim without question when you were ready to feed me rope for doing the same thing?

1. I said as much and am currently being productive. But of course, why acknowledge that?
2. See above.
3. Yeah, I don't have an exact point. It developed itself over time, I unvoted when I was around and thinking about it.
4. I was scumhunting. I may go about it differently than you, but I am not wrong in doing it this way!
I did not fabricate my read on you or on Anvil. I gathered more info and used it to judge my reads. Info changes, reads change. Come off it already!

Everybody that is jumping on others for meta/playstyle quirks, put that shit on the back burner and lynch Aristophanes who has clearly shown a complete lack of town motivation, and I'm convinced that his push on me came from butthurt scum that got their role denied.

Guess what! Since this post is stupid and cluttery and antitown anyway, I'm gonna end it with a bang! I also went 100 on the stupid fucking Strongman role! We literally had the same idea pregame. So when you claimed I thought it was very interesting it was outed and wanted to see why you claimed it! I was going to feign better powers and draw an NK, so to claim outright was a weird way to go to me. Therefore I pushed you on it and here we are!
So you're partially right! My focus on you and on this point was because I went for strongman as well! I just would have approached the game in a far different matter and wanted to know if your manner of approach was town or scum in motivation.

So can you fuck off with this god damned push and find some actual scum please?

[Aristophanes]

Whatever.

FA is playing well and I like it.

I answered your questions, Shea.

I think this thing with house is becoming laughable.

What else would you like from me?

do something.

This is me doing things.
You don't like how I do things? Fucking deal with it!
I caught up. I answered questions. I pushed people. I gave reads. I responded to this stupid-ass case.
I don't really know what the fuck else to do!

I'll go Iso Light and Grey now, since that was next on my list, but goddamn!

[Aristophanes]

Wow, I forget why Fire wanted me to check out GreyIce, but I'm glad I did. This slot lacks any depth and seems to be poking at trivial matters.

Would vote here. Ass him to the scumlean pile.

[Aristophanes]

Yeah, Light is newbscum. Can we lynch this?
VOTE: Light

[Aristophanes]

Lol
"Have"
Like the present tense?
Despite my recent change in read?

I'll change it back if you keep this shit up.
It's gotten old and tunnely.

[Aristophanes]

Lol
"Have"
Like the present tense?
Despite my recent change in read?

I'll change it back if you keep this shit up.
It's gotten old and tunnely.

Oh noez, I'm so scared. Let me change my vote real quick to appease you!

What I mean is that I developed a townread over time, and you are quickly wearing it thin.

[Aristophanes]

There's 17 other players in the game besides me, and it's not like half of them are voting you so I don't see why you're so worried about my read of you.

I am worried you are caught in a deathtunnel on town, that's why! But whatever. I'll just not talk to you then.

This is exactly the unproductive, clutter shit I was trying to avoid!

[Aristophanes]

^ bad post is bad

Ohey, we agree on something!

[Aristophanes]

So, Lynch all Liars now? That rarely catches scum.
And he didn't lie. Nor is he being difficult.
He alluded to an answer and was ambiguous purposely. He had a protown reason for it.

[Aristophanes]

Shotty! Welcome! =D

[Aristophanes]

UNVOTE: Thestatusquo

Not liking this wagon anymore. Will post more tomorrow

Read:
Oh no! It's losing steam!

Better jump off now to look towny!

[Aristophanes]

I feel like they just like each other or something

Who likes who??

[Aristophanes]

Ari: look at 640

Okay, but who The Fuck is HL!?

[Aristophanes]

Ari: look at 640

Okay, but who The Fuck is HL!?

are you like a real person?

Sometimes I'm not even sure myself!

Hiplop

That's a dumb abbreviation. Nowonder I was confused!
Hippy and UTL know each other and are likely chummy. I'll reread forcontext thoigh.

[Aristophanes]

hmmm.

Yeah.

Vote: hiplop

there are a couple of things that happened between me unvoting him and now.

Things like wagat?

[Aristophanes]

if HL flips scum I would be inclined to think UTL is also scum.

I see litlte to no connection between them. QWhat makes you say this?

[Aristophanes]

He's spouting nonsense to redirect wagon on light

Thar's what I was thinking!

[Aristophanes]

Light today ezgame

Let's Lynch light then. Bus your partner

[Aristophanes]

I could do a light wagon. She made a post about IAI's post that felt really off

Which one?
There's been a few.

[Aristophanes]

fake

This one. The question was weird, as I had already called IAI's posts fake sounding, and maybe someone else had too?

Cool, I see it.
Thanks UTL!

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: thestatusquo

Concurring with hiplop's feelings about 119.

Does anyone else think I Am Innocent's posts feel really fake?

I'm not sure what happened to my quote, this is the post in it's entirety.

If a section is highlighted it is all that is quoted
Great for taking something addressed to you out of a long post, but annoying if accidents like this happen.

Prolly the case here.

[Aristophanes]

I have to rebook at light I had no strong opinion before, but maybe I could swing vote there.
Would prefer grey ice wagon.

Pretty sure Light is scum tho.

I'll support a GreyICE lynch if you help me here! Promise!

[Aristophanes]

vc goes here

This post was a lie!

[Aristophanes]

Hi, I am on mobile, but I'll try to catch up.

That'd be great if you could tell your alignment.

Ohey!
U scum bro?

[Aristophanes]

No, are you?

Nope!

Let's wreck the scummy bastard! Lemme know your thoughts!

[Aristophanes]

So many people catching up!

[Aristophanes]

We can't hammer yet..

We're not even close to 100 pages.

I could help us get there, but you'd have to deal with someone new after I get force replaced for spam..

[Aristophanes]

Ah u don't believe me

I do...

[Aristophanes]

Retracting my hebichan town read

Honestly, I'm fine with either wagon. One or both of them are certainly scum after that post there.

In retrospect this feels like scum posturing for two mislynches

I had had the same thought. Hebi is kinda on the nulls cum side of things for me.

GreyICE is alright tho for now, I agree.

[Aristophanes]

vote Lady LambdaDelta

Three votes D1 were Spiffeh, me, and Light...last two I know are town.

So?
I've seen town wagon town.
Lots of times!

[Aristophanes]

Wait, does the mafia have daytalk? Because if the mafia doesn't have daytalk hebichan could've used the neighborizers to chat with other scum during the day.

Fairly certain they do.

[Aristophanes]

Wait, does the mafia have daytalk? Because if the mafia doesn't have daytalk hebichan could've used the neighborizers to chat with other scum during the day.

Fairly certain they do.

How do you know this? It wasn't in any of the rules or anything, right?

I thought it was stated with the "you get to talk while making the picks" portion of it, no?

[Aristophanes]

So yeah, lets look back.

I honestly don't think IAI is driven to quickhammer there as scum. He's probably telling the truth that he did it by accident. Is that alignment indicative? Maaaaybe. The "Spiffeh made me do it!" thing was the most genuinely scum part of that. Like it wasn't enough to say "oops, I fucked up?" You had to blame it on someone? Seriously IAI?

Hebi is still super obviously town. Katsuki town. LLD... I'd like a chance to chat with her in the neighborhood. I think I can read her better given time. Hiplop was town, that makes creature town.

Muffin... I do not get. Man, the last game you were scummier, but you were also trying to look scum so we'd lynch you (which did not work out at all).


So, where am I? Let me scroll down the player list. UnexpectedAnvil? House? Nah.

Vote: ZZZX

Curious about this~

This feels a lot like a scum posy
Enough that I want to pursue it.

VOTE: GreyIce

[Aristophanes]

VC goes here

dus it THO?

[Aristophanes]

I think this is all premature and should wait until tomorrow.

[Aristophanes]

so this game doesn't completely stagnate, it would be super coolsies if people, say, gave their top three scum reads and why the next time they post

Grey, Hebi, XXXZ

[Aristophanes]

Also, did we just have all the prodded people post actually nothing of consequence?

Yep!

[Aristophanes]

K it was hellish few days.

I should.need a day or two to read the 20-30 pages. Can I get that much at the least?

*Sigs*
Why not. Take your time. We've still got plenty before the last minute panic and claims set in and we deadline quicklynch someone else.

[Aristophanes]

Grey, I take it you scumread Muffin, yes?

[Aristophanes]

I stopped reading your argument. Is there anything relevant in it?

[Aristophanes]

Whatever it is, it's boring and it isn't getting us anywhere. From what I've read, he is scum and should be lynched.

Also, @Grey, I asked your read on Muffin so we could know your stance. It just so happens it developed from nullish to scum because he pushed on you. Is there another reason why you suddenly scumread him more than at the beginning of your interactions? The vote seemed Omgusy.

[Aristophanes]

Whatever it is, it's boring and it isn't getting us anywhere. From what I've read, he is scum and should be lynched.

Also, @Grey, I asked your read on Muffin so we could know your stance. It just so happens it developed from nullish to scum because he pushed on you. Is there another reason why you suddenly scumread him more than at the beginning of your interactions? The vote seemed Omgusy.

Yeah no. If you're not going to read shit, don't read shit, but this is bullcrap.

I read half of it and skimmed some of the later posts.

[Aristophanes]

What do you think of UTL?

UTL has been mostly a non-entity and I think it could be because she hates being scum.
She has voted with the flow, argued with me on dumb shit, and just doesn't seem to know what she wants to do.

Definitely a possible scum-slot.

[Aristophanes]

guys i don't care about this argument and have not at all bothered to follow the thread of it and i bet im not alone

[Aristophanes]

They appear to contain thought, but they don't really tell us anything about UTL's alignment, and they don't really tell us anything about what UTL is thinking regarding other people's alignment. They're just speculation based on the setup.

Which, again, is bound to occur, but when combined with the other stuff (or lack thereof) that UTL has posted, do you see how I have a scumread on that slot?

I do.
It's a decent read and I would Co side a vote there, as I've said.
Valid points, sir!

[Aristophanes]

They appear to contain thought, but they don't really tell us anything about UTL's alignment, and they don't really tell us anything about what UTL is thinking regarding other people's alignment. They're just speculation based on the setup.

Which, again, is bound to occur, but when combined with the other stuff (or lack thereof) that UTL has posted, do you see how I have a scumread on that slot?

I do.
It's a decent read and I would Co side a vote there, as I've said.
Valid points, sir!

It's funny how I can have a three post conversation with you and convey everything I tried to say to MuffinMan over 3 pages. And feel like you actually listened.

That's probably because I did, and it does look like he isn't trying to, the more I look at this.

Some thoughts from the last few pages.
1. LLD, I really think you're cool and I'm sorry this game isn't allowing you to be less raging I hope you can make this happen another time because you are fun to play with! <3

One of Grey and Muffin IS GOING TO BE LYNCHED TODAY.
I say this because letting this 1v1 continue will only distract the game from actual scumhunting if we let it persist. I have seen it too many times, and it only benefits scum, regardless of their alignments.

I would consider a vote on Hebi (though it is lessening) or UTL (sorry friend!) otherwise. Everyone else is either town or null (because I need to sort things again since this thread exploded like it did).

[Aristophanes]

One of Grey and Muffin IS GOING TO BE LYNCHED TODAY.
I say this because letting this 1v1 continue will only distract the game from actual scumhunting if we let it persist. I have seen it too many times, and it only benefits scum, regardless of their alignments.

Ugh this post is so bad.

@LLD: Ya it's always fun watching you call people cunts!

Why is it bad? Please explain, because this shit always just continues to the next day and either becomes toxic or distracting. We don't want either.

And yeah, I laughed a lot when LLD yelled at me in Midsummer. It was fun! But if she's trying to change that, we need to work with her on that.

[Aristophanes]

Aristophanes vote for hebichan

I'm not lynching one of my town reads to break up a fight

There have been several other "fights" this game that you've stayed quiet about, what makes this one so much more damaging that we have to lynch within what I think are two very strong town players?

I mean, just look at it!
How has it not been potentially damaging?

I will vote Hebi if it comes to it. If we get a scum flip, Muffin may be next.

I'll at the very least
UNVOTE:
For now.

[Aristophanes]

Previous person on the slot, hiplop, I felt was pretty town, I don't think the one action alone should change that.

creature replaced hiplop

random replaced shotty and suddenlyarabbit

oh between TSQ, Shotty and Hiplop, I'm getting confused on all the replacements.

They're always in the OP.
Why does nobody ever check the OP??

[Aristophanes]

aristoplane, do you actually think greyice's point about UTL is "valid"? if so, is it less valid when he himself does the same thing he's calling scummy? or do you not think those are the same thing?

Gimme a minute to read and compare and stuff. I'm about 5 mins from home.

[Aristophanes]

Alright, so I see a big difference between those posts, for one. Grey is at least giving us some critical thinking. UTL doesn't look like she's actually advancing the game in her posts.

As well, she is more of a scumread than Grey atm, so I came into the discussion willing to see what he had to say.

[Aristophanes]

Okay, that's useful. That means there's one scum out there who is down 100 points and nothing to show for it. Makes useful info for claim evaluation.

Okay, that's useful. That means there's one scum out there who is down 100 points and nothing to show for it. Makes useful info for claim evaluation.

Probably, but not definitely.

If another town player did the same thing I did, I'd still not win the ability.

If there was another townie out there who did that they'd have claimed it by now.

As far as I can tell, Hebi has stated she originally voted Spiffeh to induce pressure and then her vote developped into something more because he was discrediting people.

Your argument that her reasons make no sense because certain posts are out of order only makes sense if you assume Hebi is a computer who has perfect information.

Her reactions have seemed real, her intent in trying to explain herself to you has seemed genuine.

So yeah, you're wrong?

I meant the other part.

Fucking scum don't dump all their shit on neighborizors. I mean especially not if they're also dumping 100 points on Strongman, that's like basically using 200 points to bid on every other role in the game, that's hilariously not happening. So even if I didn't play games with her all the time, even if she wasn't obviously town, even if she had three posts, I'd never ever lynch her (And no that's not WIFOM. Roles DO THINGS. Things that scum don't want to have happen)

are these also "critical thinking" that are different from the setup speculation he's criticising UTL about?

in what way do these posts differ from UTL's content?

This feels really forced. Are you that desperate for an ICE wagon!?!?

[Aristophanes]

Previous person on the slot, hiplop, I felt was pretty town, I don't think the one action alone should change that.

creature replaced hiplop

random replaced shotty and suddenlyarabbit

oh between TSQ, Shotty and Hiplop, I'm getting confused on all the replacements.

They're always in the OP.
Why does nobody ever check the OP??

In this case, I thought I knew an I was wrong, so it didn't occur to me to check the OP. Why would I check something I thought I knew?

I'm sorry I can't tell I'm wrong when I'm wrong. X.x

Sorry. That was probably a dick move to comment on it. My apologies.

[Aristophanes]

Magua is so fucking town. Like, my strongest read yet.

Why is there a sudden wagon the!!??! Wtf is this shit!?!?!?!??!?!


Oh fuck, got Ninja'd.

I'll read that shit.

[Aristophanes]

Magua is so fucking town. Like, my strongest read yet.

Why is there a sudden wagon the!!??! Wtf is this shit!?!?!?!??!?!

More importantly, who's scum on the wagon if he's town?

I like this. Will look at wagon now.

[Aristophanes]

This feels really forced. Are you that desperate for an ICE wagon!?!?

let's break this down

greyice asked you if you believed his point about UTL's reads being based on setup speculation was valid
you said yes
this means you agree that reads based on setup speculation are scummy, right?

i then show you some reads from greyice himself, where he does the exact same thing as UTL
you dismiss this as "critical thinking" and clearly not the same thing
even though he's clearly doing the same thing

do you not see the issue here?

do you not even see the issue with greyice calling what UTL did scummy when he did the same thing?

The posts are so dirrefent tho. You don't see it,?

The intent is different ant it cones out in their delivery.

I don't really know how to describe it,bit read f them gives totally different vibes!

[Aristophanes]

it occurs to me that you might think my town read on house was a joke. it wasn't

it feels like the show, he is always a narcissistic asshole, but he's always trying to save the patient.

I thought u had multiple hoods?

I only can make one per night. I opted for the people who I live with because

1. Its hard to read them, even more so with this giant group.

2. its hard not to talk about the game with them.


As for who else is scum, maybe muffinman? He hasn't really done anything that useful, and has spent a lot of the time trying to go after katsuki, who also has done nothing and is a pretty easy target.


Lighter possible reads are ZZZX and TSQ.

GI and LLD are always on my list because I can't read them well.

Honestly I'm a bit worried they aren't going after each other at all. They normally do when they are both town.

Who was the one being useless, Magua?

VOTE: Magua

That'd be you

Can you explain this in better words. I don't get where this vote is stemming from, even with the quoted poses.

[Aristophanes]

I don't think there's any indication backed up by facts showing that people who know each other can actually read each other better

Unrelatedly, VOTE: magua

Unrelated. Cool.

So what is the reason???

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: Magua

Why?
You have mentioned them in passing but not commented on them of late. What makes them scummy and/or vote worthy?

[Aristophanes]

#Boom!
I can totally do content apparently! XD

[Aristophanes]

Meh, I'll read these in the morning.

I thought is was being helpful.

[Aristophanes]

Holy replacements, Batman!

Hi Kuribo! Who are you here for?

I'm about 5 pages behind I think...I'll work on that.

[Aristophanes]

Sorry, Im kinda overwhelmed here.

It's okay daddy's home


Go tend to your busy life, I'll be right here playing your slot the way it shoulda been done

Couldn't even have the decency to make me a vig before you flaked, I legit thought the mod was trolling me until I read the mechanics

So what are you then?

[Aristophanes]

Hahaha okay, Kuribo is town.

[Aristophanes]

So, nobody sees hot Muffin v Grey is harmful to the game?

Nobody!?!?

Seriously, I'm back to my insistence that one of them must be the lynch today!
Or someone fucking dayvig one!
I really don't care at this point, I just want them to stop this pointless bickering!

[Aristophanes]

hot Muffin

How* Muffin

[Aristophanes]

Okay.
VOTE: Grey [/b]

This may change, we still have 4 days. But he's not a leading wagon anyway so I'm not worried about this.

[Aristophanes]

Wait a minute...
GreyICE, are you trying to imply that Muffin is lying to us?

Best post of the game right here!

[Aristophanes]

I love playing with LLD =D

[Aristophanes]

EXIT THE EUROPEAN UNION BRITAIN? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT FOR YOU? OR MAYBE THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN LONDON? HOW'S NORTHERN IRELAND GOING TO FUNCTION WHEN THE BORDER BETWEEN NORTH/SOUTH IS A FUCKING INTERNATIONAL BORDER CROSSING AGAIN. YOU FUCKING EVER THINK OF ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF LONDON YOU LIMEY CUNTS?

London voted to stay...

[Aristophanes]

iraonavp has requested replacement; deadline may be extended depending on how long this takes.

Wait, but didn't he just...
I didn't even get to say hi and complain about how he always scumreads me!

God Dammit!
I was so excited!

[Aristophanes]

EXIT THE EUROPEAN UNION BRITAIN? HOW THE FUCK DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO WORK OUT FOR YOU? OR MAYBE THINK ABOUT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN LONDON? HOW'S NORTHERN IRELAND GOING TO FUNCTION WHEN THE BORDER BETWEEN NORTH/SOUTH IS A FUCKING INTERNATIONAL BORDER CROSSING AGAIN. YOU FUCKING EVER THINK OF ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF LONDON YOU LIMEY CUNTS?

London voted to stay...

As Americans, we reserve the right to form an uninformed and yet very loud opinion
JUST LIKE THOSE DUMBASSES IN LONDON THAT WANTED TO LEAVE THE EU

GO BACK TO YOUR EEL PIES YOU REDCOATS

And as a Canadian, I sit back, note the facts, and cry when I get home.

You okay Momma England?
I hear left your big protector and now you're impoverished and developing Multiple Personalities Disorder

Older Cousin USA,
Who is that dickwad you're dating and why??

I'm sure you guys will figure this out, right?
I'm off to smoke some weed and eat Poutine.

[Aristophanes]

am waiting to see if this extends to other games as well.

I don't think this should be used as evidence, but that's me.

[Aristophanes]

Ok, I see my slot voted but didn't claim yet. I am a town JOAT with a 1-shot gunsmith. I used my shot on Muffin last night and he has a gun.

VOTE: Muffin

Continuing to read...

Lol Def not Dayvig or Grey would be murder killed.

@Mod
Do all Mafia come up as having a gun, regardless of role?

^ Probably stated somewhere, but I'm not looking tn.

[Aristophanes]

There is so much I told you so here

People exempt: Katsuki, LLD, maaaaybe Hebi

I want to be included

I was gonna vote one of you!

Oh wait.
I did.

Nevermind!

[invote][/unvote]

[Aristophanes]

Ah fuch!

[/unvote][/unvote]

[Aristophanes]

Oh whatever.

[Aristophanes]

Meh.
Roleclaims are dumb.

[vpte Muffin[/vote]

[Aristophanes]

GODDAMMIT!!!

VOTE: Muffin

[Aristophanes]

GODDAMMIT!!!

VOTE: Muffin

Her

Get the fuck off Muffin. He claimed his role and cost.

If he doesn't have it, he'll be countered.

Unless it's been used up or its one that he won or it gets used on someone else...

[Aristophanes]

Aris, what the actual fuck are you talking about? he literally already claimed that he won the paranoid vig and that he "could shoot ICE at any time", i.e. he still has it.

I may have gotten lost somewhere.
Didn't he say he had won a few things, Paranoid Vig being one of them?

[Aristophanes]

i bid on eight roles and got at least two of them

^^

[Aristophanes]

yes, that is correct. how is that a reason for voting him, though?

It's not? But it's no reason not to.

[Aristophanes]

I'm 22 pages behind.

This is exactly why I don't play in larges.

I'll get caught up soon.

[Aristophanes]

Oh fuck. We're almost at deadline.

[Aristophanes]

I won't have time to read this all, so I'll be back before deadline with intent on whomever is leading at that time.

I hate ninjas.

[Aristophanes]

its okay Aristo, just sheep your buddies

I wish I had a buddy to sheep tbh

or bus them

or lurk

or log out

or vig yourself

or vig yourself, then resurrect, then vig yourself again

I would, but ya know...

Actually, the last one there would be pretty hilarious

More ninja.

[Aristophanes]

I'll be back before deadline with intent on whomever is leading at that time.

surprise surprise

It's midnight. I had a busy weekend.
Sorrrrryyyy!

best kill me tonight aristo


you and me are gonna dance tomorrow


and i always lead

I like dancing, and I hate leading!

Do you waltz? Or will we tango like everyone expects?

[Aristophanes]

Kuribo, do you want me to do anything speciaspecific before bed?
I can stay up a bit, but reading the 22 pages would be an unlikely feat.

What's got you bugged?

[Aristophanes]

aristo, you're way too cheerful, it's like trying to talk to my evil twin

XD

Thanks bro!

[Aristophanes]

i'm headed to bed, i gotta be up in six hours

booming words from hell in the morning before deadline

PEdit: aristo if you have any decency, your team will kill me tonight and spare me the indignity of having to argue with you D3

Sleep well!

Sorry I won't be able to end this before it starts. Oh well!
I'll just have to suffer your wrath I guess!

[Aristophanes]

So, I haven't been in the country to read this game. I'm now over 30 pages back.

I'll be caught up when I'm caught up. Yell at me if you like Kuribo! I'll be back to dance later (if the offer still stands.)

Aaaand Ninja'd 5 times.

[Aristophanes]

tl,dr; Two of your teammates scumslipped.

Lol is thus at me?
Because that's ridiculous! XD

I look forward to reading this probable shit show

[Aristophanes]

So, I haven't been in the country to read this game. I'm now over 30 pages back.

I'll be caught up when I'm caught up. Yell at me if you like Kuribo! I'll be back to dance later (if the offer still stands.)

Aaaand Ninja'd 5 times.

Ask me again to yell at you after I bathe in the blood of your buddies

Lol K!

[Aristophanes]

Mc has to die tomorrow because TOWN DOESNT FUCKING ROLEBLOCK A CLAIMED VIG

Doesn't matter if it lines up with his role, HE CLAIMED TO ROLEBLOCK A CLAIMED VIG

On principle, I agree.

[Aristophanes]

How about we flip a scum before worrying about their reads lists. Waddya say?

[Aristophanes]

Cephir, spiffeh, LLD, aristo, magua, and katsuki top 2 scum list excluding MC, then we can talk some more peeps.

Yeah yeah.
I'll read up tonight.

Anyone care to tell me what I did, or didn't do, that has me atop peoples' scumspect lists? I'm genuinely curious.

[Aristophanes]

this is why you're scum

But that's just IS- oh. I get it!

Though that still tells me nothing, since I know it to be a town Iso.

Thanks for the concise argument I guess?

Whoa, big ninja!

[Aristophanes]

add to that that I think your "I've been obvtown this game, I've just been wrong on all of my strong reads" didn't sound like a natural statement at all. it felt manipulative, as if you were hoping that people would see it and not think about how poorly reasoned your D2 reads actually were.

I see that more from TownSpiff though, from my experience with him.

Paint Mafia (the first one) is a good example of it iirc.

[Aristophanes]

It's possible two town bid 100 on Strongman too you know

it isn't -- they would have claimed this

This is how I know nobody reads my posts...

Guess what! Since this post is stupid and cluttery and antitown anyway, I'm gonna end it with a bang! I also went 100 on the stupid fucking Strongman role! We literally had the same idea pregame. So when you claimed I thought it was very interesting it was outed and wanted to see why you claimed it!

Anyway, I'll catch up over the night phase once we lynch the MurderCatScum since they apparently slipped pretty badly or something.

[Aristophanes]

An odd suggestion from someone who was just on the previous page suggesting giving me targets.

That's what I was thinking! (I read the last few pages)

[Aristophanes]

Do, I'm reading up a bit. I've decided any post that fills more than my phone screen isn't worth my time, considering I'm 2 game days behind in reading them. This makes it so much faster!

If I were to put forth a guess (at page 75) based on what I remember and from more recent posts, I'd say MurderCat, Magua, and Creature are the most likely trio.

[Aristophanes]

I hate asking, but what us the Paranoid modifier?
I assumes like with the PGO it means it is reflexive, but I am not positive on that. It's not in the Wiki so I am slightly lost here.

[Aristophanes]

I'm not gonna get a chance to read up, but I would not be cruel enough to replace out at this point. That would be absolutely shitty of me.

Pie, Spiff, I'm very certain the two of you are town. I will vote with you as requested.

I'll read the recent pages, but backreading doesn't seem reasonible at this time.

[Aristophanes]

Ari I want you to do more than just sheep me or pie

Uggh fine. I'll work on it.

aristophanes is completely unclaimed right?

the list of people who could be the vanilla scum is pretty short

Ari claimed to put 100 in strongman I thought

I mean, I don't think I can make it any clearer lol

[Aristophanes]

{Spiffeh, pieguyn, Cephrir, House}
{Creature, hebichan}
{GreyICE, kuribo, zMuffinMan, randomidget}
{Katsuki, Magua, Lady Lambdadelta}
{I Am Innocent, Aristophanes}

also: I do not think the scum tiers of his reads list were all-town, since that usually doesn't happen in larger games. I have town reads on Aris and IAI, Magua flipped town, and I have a very slight town read on LLD.

im v hesitant to use this logic ever

I have seen this logic be successful more times than not though. What makes you so hesitant?

[Aristophanes]

neighborizers - hebi, hebi, ?

Random as well.

Check the OP for the flipped ppl.

[Aristophanes]

Strongman is a useless skill and it still baffles me why so many town players wasted points on it, let alone bidding 100.

In retrospect, I should have either gone for an RB or do e a "bid on everything" start, as I considered both. However, I didn't. Strongman is intimidating and a good role to keep until the end for a guaranteed winning kill. Not as strong here with everything being 1shot though.

[Aristophanes]

Pie, how does the fact it's

100% confirmed that Katsuki put 100 on dayvig

change your opinion?

Why would this change anything from that post?

[Aristophanes]

Gotcha

[Aristophanes]

I'm with Pie tho. She is my strongest of tow reads, and if that means my next highest is scum, so be it.

VOTE: Spiff

@Lady, why Creature over Spiff here?

Oh my ninjas.

[Aristophanes]

You guys are so fucking awful

Lynch down the line of {Katsuki, Ceph, Creature} and we win

We being town or scum tho?

[Aristophanes]

You guys are so fucking awful

Lynch down the line of {Katsuki, Ceph, Creature} and we win

We being town or scum tho?

I'm telling you idiots to do what I fucking said from the beginning after I flip town

Are you mad?
You seem mad.

[Aristophanes]

Flip this. I've gone 5 fucking days without a Creature lynch.

flip me??? or flip Spiffeh?

like I don't know what you want me to do. I'm basically in a similar position to you where I don't want to just give up and sheep a read I don't agree with, but we've had so opposed views this entire game and we have like the exact opposite play styles of each other. I thought that at least I could meet you halfway and trust your read on Katsuki for the time being. :/

I said flip your plan.

Give me Creature and I'll lynch whomever you want tomorrow.

I read that how Pie did too tbh.

[Aristophanes]

So doc is the only role not claimed or thought to be tied at this point?

Looks like!

[Aristophanes]

IAI used action cop on N3. that's a large part of why I'm mostly not worried about him as being the person who saved MURDERCAT N3, even discounting my town read on him.

Or his Auction Cop result is BS (good guess or IAI/Kats scumteam)

[Aristophanes]

Oh shit, how am I 2 pages behind!?

[Aristophanes]

Okay, I hate asking something that should probably be obvious, but how the fuck do these posts make sense!?

You continue to discount the fact that scum spiffeh would not have used a cop investigation on GI N2 therefore would have used it N3 on MC

How would Spiffeh know to save the cop shot to protect MC from a paranoid vig on night 2, BEFORE MC was caught by your watcher result?

The way I'm reading them people seem to be saying the Cop is a Doc? Or that ScumSpiff uses the Cop shot a day later on MC in order to save him somehow? Like, as scum, Spiff wouldn't even need to use the Cop because he'd know who is town and who isn't. And how does that save anyone!?

I'm so fucking confused I can't even right now...

Also, like, 10 more ninjas. Fuck!

[Aristophanes]

Aristo the paranoid vig was coming after MC N2 from magua. If MC is targeted by any role the paranoid vig wouldn't work on him.

OH!
Okay, thanks!

[Aristophanes]

This page... :S

Maybe we should all take a step away for a bit. This day isn't going anywhere.

[Aristophanes]

Aristo the paranoid vig was coming after MC N2 from magua. If MC is targeted by any role the paranoid vig wouldn't work on him.

OH!
Okay, thanks!

Except that order of events w'og;bfafa';gbafs'f;gbs;b'
dfz

DON'T CARE DOESN'T MATTER LET'S FUCKING LYNCH TOWN.

I'D VOTE SPIFFEH RIGHT FUCKING NOW IF I DIDN'T PROMISE THAT PIE COULD HAMMER.

WHO GIVES A SHIT

I'm sorry. I'm really trying here. My time away from this game and having missed a bunch if pages are handicapping me here, and you guys are playing way above my head atm.

Add in the recent ad homs and passion and influx of posts, and you get me. A fucking Magicarp using "Splash" at this thread.

So I'm sorry.
I'll play better.

Oh god, these ninjas don't look good...

[Aristophanes]

This page... :S

Maybe we should all take a step away for a bit. This day isn't going anywhere.

Agreed will check in later

Thank you IAI

[Aristophanes]

Enough!

[Aristophanes]

So, it looks like no matter who you ask, the remaining scum are in {Creature, Katsuki, Spiffeh, IAI}.

As long as we are correct, and I don't see this as likely to change anyway, we have enough lynches left to get rid of all 4, should we go in the wrong order. So, shall we all agree that they are to die in whatever order as it doesn't matter, and get on with this?
Because I am totally okay with that idea.

[Aristophanes]

im not promising that ari

if spiffeh and creature lynches dont end the game ill need to actually think

Yeah, I'd expect no less. But I can't see scum being outside of this group.

[Aristophanes]

If pie sies thiugh, the only lynch is iai.

a) what
b) dont say things like this especially if you mean them

^^^^
Wise.

[Aristophanes]

Like, I have thoughts on likely NKs and what a deviation from my expectations would imply. It could drastically change my lynch proposition. However, it is better kept unsaid, at least for now. Especially since I doubt I could ever make the list of likely NKs, and thus can reevaluate when the time comes.

[Aristophanes]

Can power vigilante shoot vanilla?

I assume so..

[Aristophanes]

Let's go Spiffeh > Creature > Katsuki.

IAI is town.

Does thus mean you're not town? #ScumSlip!

[Aristophanes]

No death? That's great, right? Confirms us a townie!

[Aristophanes]

Right. Makes sense!
I look forward to his info

[Aristophanes]

And now we wait...

[Aristophanes]

Katsuki is already posing to not be the next day's lynch.

I know.
Amusing, eh!

[Aristophanes]

Noooooo! Pie! :'(

[Aristophanes]

Is there any possible explanation other than the doc? I'm wondering if perhaps doc wasn't in the game at all (I bid 1 on it I think, maybe I wasn't the only one to do that)

In case it gets lost in that long post of mine:

Spiffeh's Cop

Spoiler:

what, scum lied and didn't really use it on a scum teammate N2??!?!?:!?DA$#@!%#%

Unlikely. I agree with Lady here.

[Aristophanes]

Whoops, I missed a page.
God dammit!

[Aristophanes]

Please vote this fucking scumbag.

I'm sure I will, but I wanna read this day and won't have time until the morning.

Ninja'd
How the hell do you people post this much!?!?

[Aristophanes]

Lemme know when and I'll intent or whatever.
Unless you're okay with keeping this open for a few more days so I can read.
I'm good either way.

[Aristophanes]

Lemme know when and I'll intent or whatever.
Unless you're okay with keeping this open for a few more days so I can read.
I'm good either way.

No rush really, you do you.

Thanks Hebi!

[Aristophanes]

is freeshotty really a thing?...

Oh lol I'd forgotten about that!
It was a joke while he was still just GD banned...

And I'm 2 more pages behind...yay.

[Aristophanes]

I'm here, I read LLD'S very well thought out post, and I am good to hammer.
I don't really see a reason not to.

I was gonna do intent, but I see no point.
VOTE: IAI
You can drop the act now.

[Aristophanes]

Well shit.

[Aristophanes]

VOTE: NL
One more say can't hurt.

[Aristophanes]

before i go full tunnel vision could someone remind me for like the 18th time why aristophanes is town again

Because I am? ;D

[Aristophanes]

Yeah ok slam dunk I'm totally scum gj.

Not sure if legit or just giving up...

However, I agree with LLD. We're basically set here by all reasoning I see.

The NL was because it can be optimal Mylo play, and I wanted a feel for what people thought before rushing in to things.

[Aristophanes]

I mean, your death would be the nail in his coffin. I'd expect my own death tbh.

[Aristophanes]

The final nail* I think that's how it goes.

Whatever. I suppose there's no point. I'm not gonna be convinced otherwise.
If you are the scum, LLD, well fucking played!

VOTE: Ceph
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