Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Lapsa]

Basic replaced Hebi. I'm pretty sure Gollum is ours.

needs signature of Rach mistress

[Lapsa]

good luck on your detox, math

[Lapsa]

Gollum has been replaced?? By whom?!

PeregrineV -_-

Basic replaced Hebi. I'm pretty sure Gollum is ours.

needs signature of Rach mistress

Spoiler: Alive (17/42)

1. Creature
2. >>>PeregrineV<<<
   
3. hebichan
4. Narna
5. Varsoon
6. Vedith
   
7. RachMarie
8. iraonavp
9. Elyse
10. KlingonCelt
11. Lapsa
12. Boem_u_dusi
13. Almost50
    
14. (((Gollum)))
15. Thor665
16. Shaziro
17. Mathblade

wtf? Pere we dont have a player named Steve in the game seriously

Steve Buscemi avatar

@PeregrineV what's your read on Gollum?

[Lapsa]

Lapsa is probably scum
Thor is probably town.
(Keep in mind both Lapsa and Thor are claiming JOAT, which I really doubt is true)

[Lapsa]

Believing Boring so readily was a little odd, but I'm still town reading Boem who did the same.

rofl

check the votes - it was twilight

[Lapsa]

ebwop:

rofl

check the votes - it was twilight

I was thinking you hadn't realized. You got me again you.

oh come on. it's stupid beyond the limits:

unlike three night actions - haven't seen that one yet

[Lapsa]

Thor - In CB's terms "fluff claim" but I agree with some of what they're saying about Creature contributing and standing for nothing.

peculiar thing about Thor is that he ain't introducing much bullshit and being quite vocal against that

then again - perhaps that's the strategy

Creature - I think one of Thor/Creature is scum. Creature has said fuck all last phase or this one. I'll give rage the benefit of the doubt for now.

no clues on association but yeah - Creature has been flying under the radar whole time. discreet conformism is how i would describe his playstyle - something that scum tend to do

Basic - neighbor/citizen claim, no scumhunting, it's mostly those two things, but some of their votes pinged me. "Anything but the dumb Parama wagon" *votes v11* is a notable one.

not much to add on this one

Mathblade - Hard defended blue scum and pushed townies until they died. It seems slightly too obvious and A50 bailed, so I'm unsure on the slot. These reads are c

r

im

m

inal though

yeah, i think MathBlade plays purposefully bizarre. reminds me of Zulfy on Circus Mafia - played motion detector and persistently scumread obvtown to survive

[Lapsa]

I would argue me that thinking you thought Pv was a Gollum replacement stretches stupidity even further.

nah - that one is brilliant

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Basic

[Lapsa]

VOTE: iraonavp

i think ira is flailing and just adding noise to this game.
literally nothing makes sense in his posts

[Lapsa]

can't remember what i claimed either

[Lapsa]

@Varsoon what's a DB?

[Lapsa]

How are these not contribution? We beg you to stop tunneling obvtown and ask yourself why you are not a threat to scum.

asking myself that every day. perhaps you should vote

VOTE: MathBlade

[Lapsa]

gonna be v/la this weekend. my friend has a wedding ^_^

[Lapsa]

Phone voting is hard and why we were not doing it

life is hard

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Lapsa

[Lapsa]

Phone voting is hard and why we were not doing it

life is hard

Yeah, but I can't see what's so hard about phone voting.

pressing buttons

[Lapsa]

have lost interest in this game

[Lapsa]

What the fuck

Lapsa (what did he claim idr)

Lapsa claimed GOAT I think he meant JOAT

can't remember what i claimed either

[Lapsa]

I could maybe see Lapsa as SK or something, but he seems an unlikely bluescum. So beyond theory redscum six part, I'm not feeling it really.

i'm town and creature was my scumbuddy

To be perfectly frank, I'm kinda soft clearing Pere for his behavior around the Creature wagon also.

out of lurker pool - Pere seems fairly townish

too unreliable for LYLO

oh please, let me live till LyLo. I'm exceptional in those

What's the Narna boggle though?

+1

i don't get that one either

I think I kinda want to flip Elyse instead of Gollum.

torn on Elyse slot. I remember townreading it hard few days ago. need to re-read

That CCC lynch happened so damn fast.

blame Toytus

Why would Basic be wagoned if Math was town? So Math is not town.

[Lapsa]

VOTE: RachMarie

[Lapsa]

WTF?

I am a doubly confirmed Mason dude

was that your claim? can't remember and don't want to

[Lapsa]

No one is talking setup spec because everyone knows that we're right and Rach is too blinded with tunnel fever and Math and Boem are just scum.

[Lapsa]

Why are you typing what we type?

i'm not. we are just thinking alike

[Lapsa]

then ignore the bad town, don't policy lynch them. Help us lynch Math.

what's the case on him?

[Lapsa]

also figure, regardless of Gollum's alignment, scum is going to be on him like white on rice because there's zero reason not to be - so there ought to be a red, blue, or SK on that wagon at this stage.

*cough*

[Lapsa]

They were hard defending us yesterday and now we are so scummy to them. This is opportunistic scum.

i'm not really seeing this "hard defending" you mentioned. perhaps slight reluctance to lynch you right away but that's about it

[Lapsa]

I honestly couldn't even tell you who is what role anymore.
Like, I'm not even sure who the masons are or who claimed what.

so much this. like nothing i've learned works in this role madness crap

although i remember masons

[Lapsa]

it's that damn role madness multi ball bullshit.
bound to mindlessly sheep Rach mistress and anything besides "look weird"

would like to replace out but that would create another post game salty tears Basic



eating delicious ham & cheese pancakes and watching Twin Peaks

fuck this game

[Lapsa]

also - i claim no responsibility for any of vighits. but i might

[Lapsa]

but you are voting one

poking Gollum in eyes

UNVOTE:

you are dumb if you took that seriously

[Lapsa]

nah, screw you, Rach

better if he still believes in survival and squirms out something useful

so slap my naked cheeks real hard

I've got compassion running out of my nose, pal! I'm the Sultan of Sentiment!

gone watching...

[Lapsa]

People are now taking pride in not knowing what is going on.
This might be the most obnoxious game I've ever played in.

humbleness ain't your thing, Thor

[Lapsa]

He visited Cookie Bakers on N2 alongside flipped doc. Nobody saw him afterwards (if I forgot something, please remind me).

used tracker on Skybird. she targeted Rach mistress

Skybird targeted RachMarie on N4. Fuck, I was considering watching VA-11 Hall-A. Nice vig, by the way.

indirectly - you did

[Lapsa]

Lapsa could be scum, but he has a great taste in TV shows.

And a false-hearted lover is worse than a thief.

[Lapsa]

@a50 + iraonavp quickhammered Basic

[Lapsa]

Does THAT make Boem or Shaziro suspects?

for me - similar shades of gray as it is with iraonavp

and if i had to pick between those fellas - would rope Shaziro

[Lapsa]

Take your pick sweetcheeks

[Lapsa]

why could Lapsa be bluescum?

creature was my scumbuddy

[Lapsa]

Maybe not perfectly but they are similar enough, and it does not have to be a perfect match.

in multi-ball game i played as scum - opposing team had one more goon to compensate our PR's

[Lapsa]

What investigation roles do with their actions is their business and we have nothing to do with that.

They are also only locked into a role modifier claim. Why would town crumb only their role modifier?

10 minutes apart - dissociative identity disorder in action

[Lapsa]

blue scum Math+Gollum seems viable - looks like distancing before inevitable lynch

i don't understand Math's indignation about outing his cheese.
his crumbs are obvious and there was no necessity for him to out
(no one gives a fuck about a70)

[Lapsa]

fingers be twitchin

[Lapsa]

meh

master chose to burn you with fire

VOTE: Gollum

[Lapsa]

Heh, I wouldn't mind going tonight considering that I don't enjoy this game the slightest bit.

Sherilyn Fenn ftw

[Lapsa]

Gollum SK flip would be nice == conftown a50

[Lapsa]

*I meant irao up there, not Lapsa

words can't describe the relief

[Lapsa]

*I meant irao up there, not Lapsa

words can't describe the relief

How could have I ever suspected this guy?

[Lapsa]

perhaps Cookies was right and i'm not really a gunsmith

[Lapsa]

perhaps Cookies was right and i'm not really a gunsmith

What does this mean?

I made the post that I can only explain tomorrow for a very good reason...

[Lapsa]

hint

[Lapsa]

But we need Lapsa to explain his crumb from yesterday before we end the day.

i suspected that you are a serial killer

noticed this after my GS check:

VOTE: Parama

I should have played on an alt with an

obnoxious name with umlauts and stuff

.

YOU

were in my

first

game on this site??

VOTE: Varsoon

I don't know why, but it's as good a vote as any!

logic goes:
- players tend to crumb in their first posts
- obnoxiousness seems to be a reference to Borderlands queue because of Varsoon alt spam
- "YOU" is in capital to draw attention - the reason for idea of softing vig.
- Varsoon was

Vault

(<-- hence the hint)

Hunter

in Borderlands.
- as if you were saying:

"my current role is one you got in Borderlands"

so i read that as softing vig to Varsoon (exclusively)

openly softing/claiming vig during RVS is stupid but here it's only 1 addresee and you have no gun.
doing so while being SK seems to have potential of being effective misdirection

i thought it would be good idea to bluff and poke your face during the twilight - maybe even get a panic NK on me in case i'm lucky

[Lapsa]

@Rach

told you it's vedith

screw Thor. still can't believe scum can be capable of bullshitting around THAT GOOD

forces me to sort MathBlade again

[Lapsa]

This is why. He even ended it with a good reason to lynch over vig!

i personally have no problems with iraonavp's twilight scumclaim. been there, done that

[Lapsa]

2 Blue in

PeregrineV
Varsoon
iraonavp
Elyse
Almost50
Mathblade

^ fixed

[Lapsa]

You really think there were 2 out of 6 in my hood that are scum?

err... who's the second?

[Lapsa]

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Lapsa]

Honestly, a50 could be a blue doc, or on a team with Lapsa who "gs" cleared him. A50's hammer as his Iraon wagon starts picking up would make a lot of sense from blue. This is of course assuming Iraon flipsblue.

check my #5926

a50 has no gun

[Lapsa]

Rach isn't dead still. Someone must be enjoying the protection they get from her during the day to leave conftown up on d9 with the game probably being poe'able at this point.

betting on Elyse

Thor what is it about Elyse that has your beard up in gear?

Rach townread on Thor explains red team reluctance

Varsoon seems like another SK kill

SK is in:
Almost50, Elyse, MathBlade, PeregrineV

most likely almost50 or mathblade

[Lapsa]

docs don't have guns

err... what da fuck?

[Lapsa]

catch my scumslip

i dare you, Narna

[Lapsa]

Quit trolling me, I've got shade to throw Math's way.

can i help you?

[Lapsa]

Mod: What result would a gunsmith get if targeting a joat with both a doctor and a gunsmith? If that was town? Scum?

docs don't have guns

err... what da fuck?

i'm slow. naively thought it's a50 we are discussing

[Lapsa]

Thor I have a strong town read on

i think Math could be remaining red scum

[Lapsa]

You responded to me by repeating that a50 doesn't have a gun and "slipped".

kinda genuine

but i meant this one:

Varsoon seems like another SK kill

[Lapsa]

yap, math is remaining serial killer

VOTE: MathBlade

even OMGUS'ing Narna

[Lapsa]

lucky Narna

[Lapsa]

uggh why am I not dead?

Rach townread on Thor explains red team reluctance

and Rach townread on Vedith explains blue team reluctance

perhaps blue & SK didn't want to overlap NKs tonight?

[Lapsa]

blue and SK do not work together

Its looking more likely if there is an SK that the town vig is X shot.

Or else one or the other is not being active and taking shots every night which would more likely be the vig since I can't see a SK or a maf team not shooting every single night.

well - they do and do not. town is a common enemy and you seem to be an obvious target

just realized that Varsoon might as well be a vighit cause of scum!Thor JOAT flip.
unsure how sound that theory is - would mean no SK though

[Lapsa]

The other thing is yes I am conf town but other than that I am pretty useless nightwise.

it is day10, unlikely Varsoon was more useful

[Lapsa]

What was Lapsa doing? Don't tell me you also doctored them.

i doctored them

Grow up. Narna IS the SK, and -unless you're the Blue JOAT remaining- you need to vote WITH Math.

call me names but i find it hard to scumread Narna

Spot on for the first part. Totally off on the second.

hmm... true

[Lapsa]

am i dead yet? trying to catch up

btw, i got vanilla cop ability left.
seems kinda useless but who knows

[Lapsa]

Can someone explain why PerV isn't being considered? I may have missed that.

perv is in my lynch pool. but so are you

[Lapsa]

I've softed town.

err... what do you mean by that?

[Lapsa]

gunsmith almost50 - no gun

doc Cookies on N2

commute on N3 (after refusal to claim)

[NEW!] track Skybird - targeted RachMarie Night 4

follow PeregrineV - no actions

+ unused vanilla cop

[Lapsa]

And what about the rest of the nights?

got only 6 abilities, all of them are 1-shot

no fucking clue how to make that vanilla cop useful:
>Learn whether or not your target is Vanilla.

would be useful early on iraon, (iirc) serra and whoever else claimed citizen (dgb?).
was busy doing more important shit - flirting with Titus and barking on Thor

[Lapsa]

@Almost50 didn't do the math(blade) yet - can town afford mislynch?

[Lapsa]

follow PeregrineV - no actions

Which night was that, please?

damn... worked hard to be precise and failed anyway

night 5 - perV performed no actions

[Lapsa]

by the looks - i'm up against the wall

taking input from everybody - including my scumreads



no more trolling, willing to explain every read/vote there is

[Lapsa]

night 5 - perV performed no actions

Dang! Not good enough. We had only 2 kills on N5, so unless one was blocked "someone" skipped a kill on that night!

err... not really following implications of that

[Lapsa]

Why did you select your targets you did each given night?

N1 gs on a50 - lost to scum a50 in previous game, didn't suspect him and wanted to clear ASAP

@Lapsa, he doesn't feel like the towngames I have seen of him. Why did you GS him?

he was lurking and i got scared because of our previous game

N2 doc on Cookies - he outed guilty on CCC. and after our peculiar dead chat from previous game - felt really confident to read Titus properly
N3 commute - because of my refusal to claim. expected to be vigged (iirc some were even calling for that)
N4 track Skybird - she was my scumread. i remember thinking that town Skybird was "more fragile" if that makes sense (we played Delicious mafia 2 together)

Opinions on Skybird

Go

feeling uncomfortable being on same wagon

won't lynch Shaziro

@Egg/Rach could you tell me what are your reads on Skybird?

N5 follow PeregrineV - he was hardcore lurking

also - completely forgot that

i announced

that one publicly:

i feel like checking pere. had forgotten that fella exists in this game

kinda stupid -_-

[Lapsa]

I was hoping to get a clear on PV through your result.

moved perv up a bit on reads - because of my survival.
then again - would be too obvious

perhaps #4409 could be helpful?

[Lapsa]

@mod can we get an eye on Thor/Varsoon JOAT kits?

[Lapsa]

Protecting Lapsa and throwing shade on me.

why would he need that?

[Lapsa]

still fine with lynching Lapsa

you are breaking my heart

[Lapsa]

2- Math (if town) said they suck at LyLo, which is probably why they're still alive.

got "great" record too. that's a bad argument

[Lapsa]

Lapsa explain it like I am a kindergartner. Why am I scum?

My role PM says town and I love breaking things down to their finer points and take your argument and figure out if you are SK or I have Blue and SK backwards or you are town.

i'm town

my current vote on you is half-serious - tried to jumpstart day

stupid remark about you being red springs from Narna's recommendation to throw a shade on you. so i absurdly did

Yee, just iso and ctrlF "Math" then twist things and toss that shade.

i don't think you are blue. voting patterns are too convulated and distanced from everyone. solo vote on iraonavp feels especially unnecessary

Accountant -> Boem -> Rach -> Iraonavp (solitary vote for a long time) -> Valhalla (again, solitary vote for a long time) -> Shaziro (w/ boring) -> Shaziro (again solitary vote after everybody else moved elsewhere) -> Egg (this one feels towny) -> Lapsa (also towny. at the moment of that claim refusal thing) -> ... ? -> boring -> solo on Narna -> Basic (w/ Elyse, eventually grows into mislynch) -> Gollum (you started wagon, jumped around to 5th/6th place on wagon. Gollum mislynch) -> abstaining from voting till it's clear Iraonavp getting lynched -> starting Narna wagon

but the possibility of SK seems very viable. especially with idea of PGO and your endless nacho bullshit

[Lapsa]

Lapsa explain it like I am a kindergartner. Why am I scum?

My role PM says town and I love breaking things down to their finer points and take your argument and figure out if you are SK or I have Blue and SK backwards or you are town.

What even links Lapsa to sk? He actively did jaot things.

His vault post. I have a hunch wanna sleep on it. Sweet dreams.

err... what do you mean by that? how does that link me to sk?

already explained idea - tried to lure NK on myself in case Almost50 is an SK

#5926

@Math are you trying to frame me?

Varsoon -

JOAT - commuter, role cop, watcher, vanilla cop, neapolitan, gunsmith

[Lapsa]

I may have taken the shitposting too far, but Math is really committed to losing this game.

I still don't like how a50 is opting to lynch the sk which he's narrowed down to 2 (4 if you count the unlikely reads) suspects through poe over his 90% certain scumread. We go down to one kill a night if we kill either maf or sk, and we get two more lynches. We very likely won't get another lynch if we mess up here. Maybe I'm too tunneled on his Gollum hammer, but it looks like he's over hyping the sk threat on purpose.

i might be missing something - but i don't understand a50 either

@a50 why are you favoring SK lynch over blue lynch?

as i see it we can get rid of them only via lynching, both lynches decreases kill power - so what difference does it make?

is it just trying to use time to the fullest?

Now, if I was the SK I would want Lapsa alive still, bc I do need the extra kill. However, what guarantee would I have that he won't be shooting me (whether it be knowingly or by the wrong guess)?

and this one feels unnecessarily self-conscious.
why do you even assume yourself in place of SK?

whole #6129 feels like attempted communication with blue scum

[Lapsa]

@Math

err... what do you mean by that? how does that link me to sk?

[Lapsa]

I haven't gone through the other claims to compare to kills, but based on Eylse, I don't think there is an SK anymore. There would be too many missing kills/crosskills/protects for there to be 4 killing roles each night.

what's your theory on why there were 2 kills during night 9?

[Lapsa]

Pretty sure the SK is BP

, and scum know who it is, and have shot them multiple times.

My choice for last blue scum is Lapsa.

My choice for SK

is Elyse.

+

I haven't gone through the other claims to compare to kills,

but based on Eylse, I don't think there is an SK anymore.

There would be too many missing kills/crosskills/protects for there to be 4 killing roles each night.

== total clusterfuck

[Lapsa]

then it is probably a fake claim on Pere's part, but for me I believe him even if he has been lurky as f***

i don't

blue Narna ; sk PeregrineV

VOTE: PeregrineV

[Lapsa]

2- Math (if town) said they suck at LyLo, which is probably why they're still alive.

got "great" record too. that's a bad argument

Bad argument for what exactly?

for scum to keep Math alive. did you mean something else?

[Lapsa]

@a50 why are you favoring SK lynch over blue lynch?

Because I'm a doctor and I may be able to save the Mafia kill target. I cannot stop the SK though bc they are Strongman as evident by the Shaziro kill whom I was protecting. I thought I explained that already in my post addressing Rach.

i'm slow. makes sense

[Lapsa]

almost50, i'm paranoid of you

with Pere's flip and claimed vighits - SK must have been inactive on kills for most part of the game

and i dislike you mentioning skipping kills - freezer guy in previous game called that as an MVP move

yet you are the only one who provides a tangible proof for existence of SK

[Lapsa]

on JOAT saga - should have just accepted my lynch yesterday.
now whole game is at stake

i claim town tracker

followed some people - they performed some actions.
glue it together on your own - town fake claims are dumb

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[Lapsa]

VOTE: Narna

[Lapsa]

UNVOTE:

fuck no. it's only 3 to lynch

but that's where i'm at - has to be Elyse and/or Narna

and unlikely but probable - Almost50

[Lapsa]

who did you track last night

and who are your other track results

on previous night - voyeured RachMarie. she was targeted by Almost50 and Elyse

[Lapsa]

hmm ok that does it

Elyse is scum

Because A50 was the backup doc (nurse) and when the doc died he became the doc. Odd that Elyse went after me though instead of him?

i'm just a messenger

a50 thinks like scum - he might know better

[Lapsa]

Narna killed Math because he wanted to lynch Narna

@Laspa -- No. Just think you and Narna are the likely scums.

game has been solved

[Lapsa]

Like, if that wasn't the WORST FAKE CLAIM EVER, I don't know what is!

thank you!

[Lapsa]

@a50 if you end up being scum - you truly deserved it. off you go

[Lapsa]

mate, I do NOT mean to insult you. Honest. I'm just pointing out the fact you got not 2, but THREE roles confused with eachother. You should've -at least- checked the wiki.

[Lapsa]

You're right

+1

[Lapsa]

according to Thor - he won the game. twice

Elyse, you missed it. it's not funny

if you did want to say anything serious - please, be so kind and weed out stupidity out of your post

otherwise - i'm inclined to vote you

[Lapsa]

Lol Almost I give you props but you dug yourself into a hole with this one.

If I am a strongman SK then there's no way in hell Rach is alive today. None whatsoever. I don't think the SK is a strongman. I think you killed Shaziro two nights ago and no killed last night as a gambit because you would be under scrutiny for allegedly protecting the last two NKs, strongman or not.

^ decent argument

[Lapsa]

I wish I could point you to "something" "someone" said about me that distinctively distinguishes my town play from my scum play which I found to be shockingly accurate (I will be working on that from now on though). Unfortunately, I can't. Paraphrasing: When I'm town I make a slow start, try to hide in the crowd in an attempt to live longer and observe well. My game gets stronger as the game goes by. As scum I have a strong start to earn a global town read that I would then sleep on and go back to the shadows as the game progresses.

P.S. Rach has just seen my town game and can testify to the former half. Do NOT use this to get a read on me in the future though. I'm now well aware of it and will be working on narrowing the gap there, but this game started waaaaay before this was brought to my attention, so ... *Shrug*

what a load of bullshit. why is even such post necessary

prev game you were hardcore lurking as scum. very global town read indeed

[Lapsa]

Lapsa should totally nark on who he shot at last night. He is trustworthy scum.

Narna should totally drop his deputy fake claim. He is trustworthy scum.

[Lapsa]

VOTE: Narna

[Lapsa]

i'm the only one who's voting

tell me more about "appearing to do something"

[Lapsa]

how so?

[Lapsa]

wish i didn't blunder that hard. was fun game though

[Lapsa]

Oh, yeah, Lapsa you literally made your avatar blue at one point didn't you? I don't recall if I brought that up or not.

did indeed. i think you were already dead

[Lapsa]

I was kinda of wondering why Thor didn't show up in dead thread

my dear smith friend - you are fairly sloppy at modding ^_^

[Lapsa]

Oh, yeah, Lapsa you literally made your avatar blue at one point didn't you? I don't recall if I brought that up or not.

did indeed. i think you were already dead

btw, i reckon that did help - we miraculously lunched PeregrineV that day

had already given up after Vedith's vighit and had serious issues pulling my shit together

[Lapsa]

Was that you outright trying to signal to the reds that you were blue? Because if so, kudos, that's clever and I like it.

i don't find that clever. last red was dead

it was just good old bluffing and distracting

[Lapsa]

nah i just remember saying in the dead thread that serra was a god.

speaking of which - i gunsmithed serra (and not a50 as i claimed)

[Lapsa]

Playing scum is stressful.

i find it opposite