Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Elyse]

ira is in this game

fuck another "aligned" filled game

VOTE: RachMarie

idk about everyone else but I'm voting scum

also

would be willing to PL ira for saying aligned...we have enough players we can afford one PL and it would make me soso happy plus he could be scum

but RachMarie is basically confscum at this point so I'll start there

[Elyse]

Nice to see you too Elyse, werent you scum in the last game were in together?


its been a long time

It has been a while. Idk if I was scum the last time, but you've been scum a lot when we've played together iirc.

[Elyse]

Why is your username so annoying?

Was Valhalla taken?

P-edit:

Signing each post with -Z would be much better and easier on these sensitive eyes of mine

[Elyse]

Please dont, its hard on my 70% blind eyes even wih the size zoomed in 175%


ok if dunn is part of it I will back off I just did not know who this was


VOTE: PeregrineV

I find the use of the term "back off" strange considering your vote was based on not knowing who the person was.

does ira always just post like this tho? for real his posts come off as so stiff and forced, even ignoring the -aligned thing

Yeah he does. The aligned thing annoys me because it doesn't make sense when he uses it. Like he'll say "I'm reading you as scum-aligned" or like you said "That post is town-aligned."

p-edit:

ok no ira is not this bad. He usually backs up his shitty reasoning. (my only experience with him is ongoing so this could be off base but oh well)

VOTE: iraonavp

[Elyse]

oh FFS why are you claiming at this point ira if that is a genuine claim you are most definitely NOT at L-1 not even near L-1

Rach is for real for real scum.

We should lynch her after ira. Like all of her posts read as awkward and stilted to me and she's not usually like that.

oh FFS why are you claiming at this point ira if that is a genuine claim you are most definitely NOT at L-1 not even near L-1

It doesn't matter to claim if I'm just vanilla...

on the other hand ira you're not stupid

you know that claiming VT early allows scum to take you off their list when they go PR hunting - if you're telling the truth which I don't think you are

[Elyse]

there were like 80 p-edits so that post might be obsolete at this point

[Elyse]

ok so ira, Rach, Almost, CookieBakers, boring scum

sounds good

Va 11 whatever is town. I like Shaziro and Parama so I'll townread them for now.

VOTE: RachMarie

Seriously read her posts and tell me they aren't awkward

[Elyse]

YO, i havent addressed this to capacity but parama's wagon is stupid as shit

Oh look some whiteknighting of a RVS wagon where you need like 57 people to lynch

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

get off you cur

-Dunn-aligned

First point on the townie-ness column. Not a conclusive indication, but an indication non-the-less.

like what the hell is this

[Elyse]

VOTE: CookieBakers

Good to see you Drixx

[Elyse]

fire, mind voting if you're going to pay lip service to the wagon tho?

I unfortunately can't support this day 1. I like both heads of the hydra too much to lynch them day 1 in any game.

this is dumb

@Titus
All of her posts are awkward. "Backing off" of a vote on someone because she didn't know who they were, subtly implying I could be scum by saying "hey Elyse weren't you scum last time?", using this emoji which someday I will write an article about how it's a scumtell, saying she has an ira game she can check on and not following through, 184 is pointless, voting ira because she doesn't think 2 VTs in a role madness game that's 42 players is possible.

[Elyse]

@dunn, I responded to you by stating why I made my vote. Your case was my vote was bad.

I suppose I should thank you for the vote chain. It does prove iraonvp is likely scum. Drixx also goes up. Elyse goes up because she's missed my request to explain RM scum twice now.

HEY HEY HEY TRY READING MY POSTS

[Elyse]

fire, mind voting if you're going to pay lip service to the wagon tho?

I unfortunately can't support this day 1. I like both heads of the hydra too much to lynch them day 1 in any game.

this is dumb

@Titus
All of her posts are awkward. "Backing off" of a vote on someone because she didn't know who they were, subtly implying I could be scum by saying "hey Elyse weren't you scum last time?", using this emoji which someday I will write an article about how it's a scumtell, saying she has an ira game she can check on and not following through, 184 is pointless, voting ira because she doesn't think 2 VTs in a role madness game that's 42 players is possible.

Ooh ... we have someone actually evaluating things already. A few town points for Elyse.

Drixx is scum too now. Yup.

Ok Titus literally quoted my post about Rach scum and then said I missed it twice.

So now you're probably asking "why is this scummy, Elyse?" "She could have just missed it, Elyse."

well well well

She called Drixx scum for saying that I was town for actually evaluating things...so she should have looked to see what he was actually talking about before calling him scum for it.

She's not thinking critically.

DAMMIT LET ME POST

[Elyse]

Yeah, like none of that is scummy.

omg you're scum this is so obvious omg

are you talking about my points against rach or my points against you?

hint: either way you're wrong

[Elyse]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

I don't think that's scummy.

He's asking the mod to confirm that VTs are possible. This is a ballsy move if he's scum fake claiming VT because what if the mod goes "no VTs"?

[Elyse]

I guess the real question is whether you think ira is crafty enough to ask that knowing he can't be confirmed or that he's town who genuinely thinks the mod would confirm such a thing.

I'm thinking the latter.

[Elyse]

I mean, it's a lot of the way you're responding to the pressure, the potential scum motivation behind what you're doing, etc. But no, it's totally just because you claimed VT.

Titushydra can stay for now.

VOTE: iraonavp

:/

[Elyse]

I'm not sure if people don't want to think about things or would rather resort to an easily solution in a difficult situation, but these main wagons are awful. What the fuck are you doing"?

especially the Cookie Bakers one.

- Zach

Pssst

calling a wagon awful over and over again doesn't do shit. Try explaining why it's awful. That might help!

In other news CookieBakers is still scum. And all of the "Ira is scum for claiming VT" posters can slowly hop off that wagon now that we have three claimed VTs. You all are more than welcome to hop on the Cookie wagon. They're not the only cookie bakers, I have cookies for you as well if you hop on.

Also has anyone played with CCC before...? Are they usually this dumb (no offense)

[Elyse]

SORRY IN ADVANCE FOR THE WALL I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS

Titus' AtE is scum. We're not even one real life day into the game and like half of the playerlist hasn't posted. Wailing about being a punching bag rather than shutting up and scumhunting is a scumclaim from her.

What the fuck is this, 600 posts already?

I claim town PR by the way.

VOTE: Almost50

No comment.

Good vote.

Elitism is town. Klingon is a good vote.

What the fuck is this, 600 posts already?

I claim town PR by the way.

VOTE: Almost50

No comment.

I don't believe accountant's claim.

-Dunn

This is a stupid reason to vote him. IC is mod confirmed so what's the point in lying if it's not a joke?

Questions for your thought while I sleep:

1.) DGB obviously sees the logic of Citizen being potentially harmful in combo with vanilla cop. Genuine claim or gambit? Why?

2.) Manhattan came in late and made a show of claiming to be "THE" citizen. Genuine or fake?

No one claimed

Citizen

.

That means all VT claims are fake.

You don't get one name in your role PM and claim another.

If the claims were legit they would have said Citizen, not Vanilla Townie.

omg

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Hot Chocolate is annoying and talks like a baby - would be fine lynching because I won't be able to read him

VOTE: BlackStar

Another good vote.

I finally caught up. I think Klingoncelt is town, but she seems much angrier than usual for no reason. I guess she hates fun or something. I didn't like hot chocolate's posts and was going to vote her but Ira just said he was okay with a hot chocolate lynch which means that it's probably a bad wagon.


VOTE: iraonavp

what is this

Why is Kling town? Wouldn't the angry part tip you off that maybe she's different than usual? And seriously you're going to base your vote on what ira thinks when he hasn't flipped yet AND it's multiball? Terrible.

VOTE: iraonavp

has been like half a year, but that guy felt much more discreet, frustrated and rational.
unsure about claiming thing - that's NAI from me. role madness screws common logic up big time

what took you so long

VOTE: iraonavp

has been like half a year, but that guy felt much more discreet, frustrated and rational.
unsure about claiming thing - that's NAI from me. role madness screws common logic up big time

Okay, when did I even play with you? I don't recognize you at all but you keep bringing it up...

I actually tried to change my style to be more uninhibited lately. You can't just only look at one game where I was town-aligned ages ago and draw a conclusion from fhat alone... What about how I played in this game? I'm town-aligned!

fuck me. i totally mixed up your personality with Ircher`s.
although you were in that game

one with "I AM KAIN TEPES!" spam

leaving vote anyway.
someone has to be pressured - otherwise Hot Chocolate might get lynched

ok lapsa is scum

Vote Rachmarie

Mostly for trying to fake a townslip in the neighbor PT by calling us masons.

LMAO

I CALLED THIS

VOTE: RachMarie

You are voting me for a town slip egg? I made a mistake and thought it was a mason thread jeez seriously dude that is pretty darned scummy

oh come on

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

Everyone get your votes on me I town slipped because I am in both a neighborhood

and

a mason jeez

analgram sorry dudes I was hoping to wait til later to claim but this is bloody ridic

Kling is also in our mason crew

Well, I got a green light from her, so.....Pay attention cos this will only be said once.

We're Masons. With RachMarie.

are you fucking.....

gndlfiusghdfgf;sdobjkfdkgijlg

UNVOTE:

Would you rather one of us get lynched? Cos the way it was going, I wouldn't be suprised if it happened.

The claim was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too early just stop. But it happened so whatever it's done.

that was clearly a town slip I made in the hood, he should have kept quiet about it and focused on scum hunting.

Your slip makes much more sense now that we know you're a mason AND neighbor. But Egg's initial response is town imo. I don't see a neighbor thinking they're a mason. But a mason/neighbor posting in the wrong topic makes sense.

like what the hell is this

like you can read, can't you?

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Pretty sure I don't understand this post. How can one head be scum but not the other? Is the SLOT scum or town??

there's so many players to keep track of, gosh, this is why i usually don't play large games

where is egg, i want to spam "hat" at them for 20 posts but they're not here yet

Pick 4-5 that you think you can read well and concentrate on them. Pick 10 if you can accommodate that many. Once you've finalized a read on one add someone else (same if one of them already flips).

Because I don't buy 2 vts in a role madness and DGB is town. Iraonvp being awkward means zilch to me. His claim means a lot.

I'm hoping my memory's not playing a trick on me, but I seem to remember we had 2 VTs in Borderlands, which was a much smaller Large than this one. If my memory serves right, Dwlee & Nero were the VTs in that game.

Thank you for popping in and reminding me you're scum.

Look as much as I love lynching egg the mod told us from the start neighborhoods would be a big part of this game.

you are way too defensive ere for town rach. VOTE: Rachmarie

did you know rach claimed mason when you made this vote

as for my vote, i will go with hc since they're prob scum. like nothing they've posted is town in any way and they haven't attempted to do anything.

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

Also fine with lynching Cookie and Almost and BlackStar and Lapsa and maybe more I'm forgetting but I get people don't want to lynch Titus D1 so ok fine we can lynch her d2.

[Elyse]

ok time to turbolynch Hot Chocolate everybody hop on lets go

also fanning myself @ paramas reads list

p-edit

Blanche

you seem to have an idea in your head that hot chocolate would actually listen to scum buddies coaching him

why is that

p-edit 2

yeah TownBlock might be scum ://///

[Elyse]

^theres the coaching we've been looking for

[Elyse]

Lapsa

I implore you to finish reading the post you quoted

There you will find your answer

[Elyse]

HEY HEY LAPSA

Tell me, my good sir:

Is that a bad thing?

does the wind still blow in Oklahoma?

mislynches are obviously bad

Here you say HC was a mislynch but in your terrible reads list she's your only scumread.

What changed?

[Elyse]

OH you're just scum-aligned

Ira alt confirmed

P-edit

adorable beyond words?

stop

stop stop stop

[Elyse]

I assumed only one VT because this is a role madness game

Yet you voted us for making the same assumption and voting Ira for it......

Honourable mention to long Island for doing the same.

No, I voted you because you were encouraging what looked like bad strategy (random Vanilla Townclaims) and appeared to be deflecting scum accusations rather than answering them.

I have since been told why early random Vanilla Townclaims may make sense (i.e. because they look scummy as anything to Vanilla Cops). On the other hand, you still look kindof scummish (for one thing, you couldn't explain at the time why you thought early vanilla townclaims in Role Madness were at all a good idea), and at the moment it seems that that's the best I have to go on, so I'll put my vote back on you. Until I find something better.

VOTE: Cookie Bakers

why haven't you commented on the HC wagon?

you seem to be playing in your own little world and ignoring almost everything that's actually happening

[Elyse]

SORRY IN ADVANCE FOR THE WALL I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS

Not gonna pollute the thread by quoting the whole thing.
Putting a progression like this in a wall is very scummy, especially with the sorry in advance.
You never heard of editing a wall in progress and just drop the progression shit? Leaving it in there is

fake

I'm gonna be really disappointed if I continue catching up and nobody else has commented on this drivel.

~d

i prefer to catch up in posts but i just kept finding more things to talk about and then it turned into a wall

i wasn't gonna delete what i wrote though

[Elyse]

long island's WKing of HC is scummy because he's not even townreading her

like I don't even get going through the effort of trying to dismantle a 20 person wagon for a TOWNREAD but it's for a NULLREAD

[Elyse]

I don't know what she is. She could be scum or town. It just smells like a trap, that's all. I've been looking up different roles in the wiki that would explain her behavior. Is it possible that Wake put a Vengeful Mafia in the game?

P-edit: LIM (can I call you that?) If it's nothing but a troll, then wouldn't it be better to lynch? Don't mafia have more incentive to troll than town (like to let their buddies bus for towncred)?

see this in the p-edit

boring is asking questions and looking for verification rather than making a statement and standing by it. she should have said "trolls are better to lynch because scum have more incentive to troll".

scumread here

[Elyse]

it looks like she's town who doesn't give a fuck because this is a 42 player 51 person role madness game

so now she's town???? what???

you literally just said it's a non-alignment indicative alt gimmick

[Elyse]

That's one bet you'd lose lol. Like I don't know what you want me to say. Sorry that I'm busy this weekend and can't post much?

my point was that you just popped in to join a dumb wagon
you "can't believe how awful hot chocolate's posts are"
if that doesn't look like scum opportunism
idk what does

and i didn't even mention your activity
so you're just throwing up a strawman anyway

this is true, BlackStar is scum

[Elyse]

Analgram

lmao

Can someone who is saying they think Seraphim is scum-aligned explain why?

this is random. his iso is entirely asking people not to post, basically. theres not much to decipher.

OK all caught up

[Elyse]

VOTE: iraonavp

I could maaaaaaaaaaybe buy Ira being an idiot and not knowing how to play his role. But I'd probably lynch him on that alone because his thought process makes no sense as town. Like even if he was actually scumreading Shaziro, what would a non-VT result mean? FUCKING NOTHING.

But then Ira just so happens to check the ONE person who claimed a PR today. How convenient.

I don't believe it. He's scum.

[Elyse]

@Titus
I see what you're saying.

But Ira didn't come into this day expecting to have to fakeclaim. I think he panicked, picked an odd but believable role (he said he's played in a game with it before) and didn't think about what he was doing when he said he checked Shaziro. He just wanted to make sure his claim was correct.

[Elyse]

Where did you soft your result?

I just explained the lie on checking Shaziro is so your result is true. Shaziro claimed to have rolecopped you so you knew when he was a PR.

The fact that you're not getting this is making me hesitant. I could be wrong but there are so many coincidences. I'm gonna have to go back and reread tomorrow. Going to bed now.

[Elyse]

Ok I lied I can't sleep.

@ira
You yourself said that you thought Neapolitan was a shitty role because it could only check if someone was a VT or not. So why did you seem it necessary to fakeclaim VT and draw attention to yourself to avoid the NK?

Like your logic of "let me avoid the NK by claiming VT" is awful anyway since you weren't on anyone's radar, but I could possibly see you doing that if you were a cop or something.

But I find it very hard to believe you would go out of your way to do that if you thought the function of your role was to try to catch scum PRs when it's a role madness game and like 99% of town players also have a PR.

[Elyse]

No I understand how it works.

Ok that makes more sense I guess that you didn't think it was role madness when you claimed. (Even though it's in the title but ok)

My only real issue now is you knowing it was role madness and still targeting Shaziro but I'll chalk that up to you not understanding how your role works.

VOTE: CCC

I will say however that Ira, you made an idiotic decision and that happens sometimes. I've been there. But when it does happen you can't point fingers at everyone else. You were wrong. Admit it and move on. /endrant

P-edit: Bacde is a great vote too
I also implore people to look at Almost and Lapsa.

[Elyse]

MathBlade I get it. I was all ready to lynch Ira with fire. But (no offense) I think he really is just that stupid.

VOTE: Bacde

Think I like my vote better here

[Elyse]

Lol^

Yeah I also haven't forgotten that Cookie is scum. I just don't have the energy for that today

P-edit
What history

[Elyse]

???

P-edit:
Were you saying Cookie town slipped by saying "this is most likely multiball"? Because to me it looks fake. The setup is OBVIOUSLY multiball

I feel like I'm missing something

[Elyse]

I'm lost

And going to bed for real this time

[Elyse]

I'm lost

And going to bed for real this time

Maybe when you're not as sleepy you can reflect on this...

Think I got it

People who suspect Bacde, what makes him worse than anyone else who voted Hot Chocolate? His low activity/lack of substance? I do agree that optimal scum strategy is to do nothing for the first few days and there probably is a high scum-density in less active people, but Day was very short and everyone was throwing Hot Chocolate votes around.

I don't necessarily have a problem with his wagon, but it is hard to justify with so little substance.

From what I remember about Bacde he's really active and in your face. I don't see him floating in here and not addressing the votes on him

[Elyse]

VOTE: CCC

Everyone else is doing it

VOTE: cookie bakers

i don't understand the wagon on ccc

burn this with fire

omg

[Elyse]

Neopolitan in a game with masons is a scumclaim.

In a normal game? Yes.

In a 42-players Role Madness?? Not really.

And Irao should have checked on a claimed VT. That's what the role is good for. You first verify the VTs and then look for other VTs who did not claim for possible Goons!!

Look Almost continues to make posts that have already been made by other people and doesn't scumhunt!

[Elyse]

Probably 90% of the game is not PRs

You're kidding, right? I mean, the mod explicitly stating there could be duplicates of the same role is enough for you to see how far you're off. People spending most of D1 debating whether the game should include JUST ONE VT or possibly more due to the sheer number of players is another indication, and that's only if you have never played in a role madness before! There might even be some named vanillas just to give your role a false positive on someone who actually does nothing!

see

[Elyse]

Ok I'm not gonna keeping quoting Almost's posts. Just look at his ISO. He's the definition of IIoA.

I think Lapsa's pretty much conf now.

mhm hm

Can someone explain to me the difference in reaction to ira and dgb being caught in a lie? I think they both need to go. No single role in role-madness is valuable enough to be worth gambiting over. I also struggle believing ira is this incompetent.

DGB isn't an idiot so she's probably scum.

[Elyse]

Skybird Skelda boring hebichan are all heavy scum candidates for me.

[Elyse]

what the heck is a motion detector?

I think another site called them Fountain Watch. They basically target a player and can tell if they take a night action.

I think.

Ooh taking a play from the Almost book I see

[Elyse]

Blanche -

Jailkeeper/Neighbor

shos -

Motion Detector/Neighbor

Blackstar -

Friendly Neighbor

Fire Assassin -

Ascetic Citizen/Neighbor

All killed Night 1.



It is now Day 2.

(expired on 2016-08-30 22:30:00)

Btw blanche was a town jailkeeper.

Something to keep in mind with the roleblock scenario, it's less likely to have a second town jailkeeper and more likely to be a scum roleblocker/joat

-Dunn

So what do you think about DGB's claim since Hot Chocolate already flipped 1-shot BP?

I haven't seen star wars

Did you roleblock us?

-Dunn

Yeah. how'd you know? lol

SCUM DETECTED

[Elyse]

A town jailkeeper already flipped, me and zach don't believethat egg and townblock are likely to both be town

In fact, Neither of them had a reason to roleblock us and were caught out by the watcher. They can both die. Egg first

-Dunn

yeah

Egg and TownBlock both need to explain why they rb'd obvtown.

I was so ready to come in here and powerlynch CCC but idk I kinda believe the claim. Like I could totally see two gunsmiths in the game and his townread on serra lines up with his gunsmith check. He could still be a scum GS but I think he's telling the truth about his role at the very least.

argh

There are so many people I want to lynch but DGB/Egg/TownBlock/Accountant/Almost/Lapsa/Bacde are probably above CCC at this point.

VOTE: Egg

@Cookie
I'm not closed off from voting CCC today - give me a succinct pitch that explains why he's either lying about being a gunsmith or a scum gunsmith. I think his townread of serra confirms the gs claim and I don't think he's scummy enough on his own to lynch a potential town gunsmith over other people.

p-edit:

why the hell is everyone lying about being a VT




STOP IT

[Elyse]

2305

He fosed his innocent.

that's not even an fos in any way
maybe if you're misinterpreting it yeah
but to me it reads like
"i thought there was only one vt, why the heck didn't you claim earlier on day 1 because this only now changes my view of the game"
saying he's under no pressure to claim is as far from a scumread as possible too

^

Skelda calling for a vig on everyone and their mother rather than a lynch is giving me bad vibes idk why yet but they're THERE

p-edit:
oh boy

[Elyse]

Cookie Bakers: Claimed access to a Gunsmith result (I suspect the actual gunsmith may be a different person, either in Cookie's neighbourhood or Cookie's mafia)

why do you think this

and more importantly

why would you say this

[Elyse]

Cookie Bakers: Claimed access to a Gunsmith result (I suspect the actual gunsmith may be a different person, either in Cookie's neighbourhood or Cookie's mafia)

why do you think this

and more importantly

why would you say this

Because of the way Cookie phrased it. They specifically did not claim gunsmith, but said they had access to a gunsmith result.

You missed my second question

[Elyse]

remember on day 1 he was unnaturally obsessed with determining who in the 3 vt claims was the "one true vt"

So why was his gunsmith check on serra? (who, unrelated, claimed vt day 2) instead of a vt claim

Why was his gunsmith check not on, say, cookie bakers?

Good point

[Elyse]

@VA-11

Why does cookie have to be lying for CCC to be town?

[Elyse]

Mehhhhh I still think it's possible CCC is telling the truth but casting doubt on Titus is scummy.

Did CCC ever explain his rationale for choosing Serra?

VOTE: CCC

I also think Egg is basically confscum

[Elyse]

I will catch up on this hot mess later tonight

be ready

[Elyse]

Still haven't caught up lmao

And probably won't until later :/

But reading this last page it looks like TownBlock slipped, yeah?

VOTE: TownBlock

[Elyse]

Oh sorry, I meant my neighborhood was with comparing realities since the replacement happened.

Who did you target each night

[Elyse]

Meh, I can handle parking a vote there until something more enticing comes along. I could see their posts either being scummy, or townie with a completely foreign perspective. You guys know them better. If you're sure it's not their normal approach, I can lean scum.

VOTE: Mathblade

I want to lynch this

[Elyse]

I've looked at Seraphim's ISO and there's not much there. I'm going to start today off there.

VOTE: Seraphim

Ok what is this

You completely ignore discussion on TownBlock's slip and what's actually happening and vote a lurker instead.

Scum

[Elyse]

Comparing Realities is dead.
There are the same number of kills.

I have a result. So did my watcher.

Scum wouldn't try without ninja unless boem is scum.

This.

Drixx claiming he protected CB and that's why they're alive when there were the same number of kills doesn't match up

[Elyse]

Opinions on Skybird

Go

I WANT SKYBIRD DEAD

[Elyse]

Like

What legit

Is the slip

The slip is supposed to be Memeo (one of the heads of the hydra) forgetting where they did their action. I honestly think it's a stupid wagon.

Plus his reaction to it was terrible.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Shaziro

They messed up their role twice in my PT.

Claimed Iroanavp was a Neopolitan as a watcher.
Then claimed follower and at first that made sense as some follower variants give exact action.
But then remembered to look at rules where this was explicitly normal.

Normal only gives the type.

Ergo once is a mistake twice is liar for the fire. Work now gtg.

Type: Investigative, protective,killing etc.

Shaziro has given me cause for concern a few times in our neighborhood talk as well. If there is a blue mafia, I'm finding increasing confidence that they're it. They've been poking and prodding at Vallhalla pretty much the whole game too. That latching onto the "blue tell" thing seemed icky and opportunistic, too. I don't know if we're allowed to post direct quotes from neighborhood, but maybe others in the 'hood will chime in on this one.

VOTE: Shaziro

boring is red mafia

[Elyse]

My initial suspicion on townblock was that McMenno just wasn't paying much attention to the game and didn't keep track of what the others had done well. But when he then goes and scumreads iraon and then expects him to use his role as if he were town...that's just faking reads.

Mhmmhm

Also Shaziro is town GET OFF HIM

[Elyse]

umm scum slip

why is it bettter to lynch blue over red there medium?

is that because you are red?

Good catch

[Elyse]

Can someone please catch me up on important things that are going on in this game right now, there is too much happening and the day went by so fast I couldn't even post last day.

Also I have a neighborhood with accountant, I am a friendly neighbor.

Hebichan claimed friendly neighbor with a hood with accountant.

Who did you target the other night


In other news

I am all caught up

I will post a giant reads list later on my computer even though I hate doing it - it is for my own sanity

I am still down with a TownBlock lynch but also open to lynching Long Island medium, Skybird, Almost, hebichan, and probably others I will tell you when I come around to posting my giant reads list

Ty

[Elyse]

Rach why are you townreading Thor?

[Elyse]

Long story short Elyse its a nuance thing atm that read may change later if I start seeing things that ping my scumdar.


However Im usually right about both him and Jiffy when playing here on this site anyways.

Ok I'll trust you for now.

I've played with him three times and every time he's been scum so I don't have the best meta. And I thought his "meh I'd lynch Drixx over Lapsa" --> "I want to powerlynch Lapsa" seemed a little fake and fueled by Drixx pointing out that his stance was scummy.

But regardless there are bigger fish to fry for today.

Still have to get around to posting my giant reads list

[Elyse]

Creature - leaning town
TownBlock (Dwlee99 & Murdercat & McMenno) - scum
DrippingGoofball - leaning scum
PeregrineV - leaning scum
VA-11 Hall-A (Dunnstral & Zachstralkita) - town
serrapaladin - leaning town
Skybird - scum
hebichan - scum
Narna - leaning scum
Varsoon - leaning town
Egg - scum
Aeronaut - i_dont_know_her.gif
Elitism (Transcend & MariaR & gerryoat) - town
boring - scum
amalgam (davesaz & Yume & randomidget) - town
RachMarie - town
Seraphim - scum
Drixx - leaning town
iraonavp - town
Cookie Bakers (Titus & Shiro) - town
KlingonCelt - town
BBMolla - I think this slot is dead?
Lapsa - scum
Boem_u_dusi - town
Almost50 - scum
Skelda - leaning scum
long_island_medium - scum
Bellaphant - i_dont_know_her.gif
AlpacaAlpaca - I think this is Thor - leaning scum
Shaziro - town
Mathblade - leaning town

omg i have way too many scumreads wtfff do better people

[Elyse]

OK.. here's my say: Mathblade & Elyse are scum on opposing sides (Elyse is blue, Math is red). I know people tend to not look back at what the dead said, so I'm going to appeal to those who might:

VA-11 & Boem

. I'd toss in a few others, but I'm not sure they'd give my opinion the same weight if I do flip tonight. Dunn, Zach & Boem should.

[Elyse]

Hmm townblock or medium, townblock or medium...

I apologize to egg retrospectively, you are more town than either of those.

Where should I vote klingon, I think both are likely scum and you are town, so I want you to sell me on the better vote.

UNVOTE:

You claimed friendly neighbor. Who did you target each night?

[Elyse]

VOTE: hebichan

I GET CREDIT FOR THIS

[Elyse]

hebichan said friendly neighbor not once but twice

also was accountant/CB the only one in your hood?

[Elyse]

This is so infuriating

@hebichan

Why did you say friendly neighbor

[Elyse]

Quqsjxkaoyahzkkkdjwnajxh

VOTE: TownBlock

[Elyse]

I don't agree with clearing hebichan

They could still be a scum neighbor

But there's just no slip

[Elyse]

So why didn't you say anything when the VT claims were going wild

[Elyse]

Cool scum lynch

[Elyse]

No CB was trying to lynch them all day

(correct me if I'm wrong but weren't they saying the hebichan wagon was a diversion of the TownBlock wagon)

[Elyse]

We lynched your buddy TownBlock

You're next

[Elyse]

Hi I never got to post yesterday and have class and a shitton of work to do so I probably won't be able to tonight either

BUT

I will definitely be able to catch up by Friday

[Elyse]

Hi I never got to post yesterday and have class and a shitton of work to do so I probably won't be able to tonight either

BUT

I will definitely be able to catch up by Friday

Elyse, we're debating between which guilty to lynch anyway.

DGB as SK

or Thor has a gun.

Swaggy

VOTE: Thor665

Skelda as scumbuddy for wanting to lynch DGB instead to prevent kills. SK can crosskill. It's better to lynch team maf than SK.

Unless Skelda is cleared or something which might have happened while I've been away

[Elyse]

Scum are lined up so deep that strong town players are going after each other about the optimal order and actions to take in removing them.

Are there more conf scum than DGB and Thor? I know Thor has a gunsmith guilty and claimed JOAT but why is DGB conf-SK?

I know I'll get these answers upon reading but if we do have caughtscum then you're right in that the SK would probably shoot town.

[Elyse]

OK READING NOW

[Elyse]

Ok I just read everything I missed

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Thor and hebi can die next

Pere is probably scum too. boring as well

We seem to be in great shape

[Elyse]

You've been saying I can die for like three days now.

i will keep saying it until you are in the ground

[Elyse]

How did you know the rbers had a hood, hebi?

[Elyse]

Wake can you update the OP when you get a chance

Fine with lynching Thor or hebi

Hopefully some kills were prevented via night actions and we can find scum from that. I'm sure the vig didn't shoot Drixx or CB so that's already some info there. Except obviously vig don't out yourself

[Elyse]

I will update the OP soon.

oops missed this lol

[Elyse]

VOTE: Thor665

[Elyse]

Why would you watch Thor

[Elyse]

Figuring out who visited Thor, should Thor have died, would've been great info. If somebody had shown up and Thor died, and somebody else claimed to have vigged thor, we'd have caught scum.

To me it looks more like scum trying to find the vig but hm maybe

[Elyse]

VOTE: boring

[Elyse]

VOTE: hebichan

[Elyse]

VOTE: hebichan

Why is this still getting away

[Elyse]

I think hebichan is scummier

[Elyse]

Fine with lynching Thor cause the counterwagons popping up are pretty interesting but disappointed that people keep saying "we'll lynch hebi tomorrow" or "let the vig get hebi" and she's still here.

[Elyse]

You're fine with lynching Thor because his counterwagons are interesting?

Yep. If he flips scum, people who were starting counterwagons to save him will be on my radar.

What do you think of leashing the vig to shoot Gollum, Elyse?

What do you mean by leash?

What can we do besides say "hey vig, shoot Gollum"?

I am fine with the vig shooting Gollum though.

[Elyse]

Thor's anger when we've been kicking ass and taking names seems forced

[Elyse]

Really Rach? You think whining means Thor is town?

I'd expect scumhunting out of him rather than "YOURE ALL STUPID" when we haven't lynched town since D1.*

*did not fact check this

P-edit:

That gives the vig 0 incentive to shoot Gollum if he would be lynched anyway.

[Elyse]

I don't want to lynch Thor for the gs guilty.

I want to lynch him because he's not scumhunting like I'd expect him to and it would helpful to confirm that a ninja did kill Egg.

Because that doesn't really make sense to me.

(I realize I'm saying this as I'm voting hebichan - she needs rope even more)

[Elyse]

And if he flips scum then boom Almost and other people diverting attention from him jump up on my radar.

[Elyse]

Almost has the gunsmith clear

Narna could be scum though

[Elyse]

Yes Thor I'm considering the possibility of a mafia doc because A50, after doing nothing all game, decides to randomly target MathBlade and whip everyone into a frenzy once your head is on the chopping block. Combined with the fact that you're still here when everyone wanted you vigged. How stupid of me.

[Elyse]

Yeah, how scummy of me to not die when *everyone* wanted me Vigged.

What?

The derp is growing in this game, I swear.

I'm saying you might've been saved by a mafia doc.

I would expect one false clear in a game this large and since red scum hasn't had a doc flip, blue scum might.

[Elyse]

I'm saying you might've been saved by a mafia doc.

I would expect one false clear in a game this large and since red scum hasn't had a doc flip, blue scum might.

So your logic is he's defending me both at night and during the day, and you want to lynch me first to find out if he's scum.
Because I hear you talking, but I don't see the logic yet.

Here's my train of thought:

I was scumreading A50 because he was doing NOTHING all game besides chiming in to answer a theory based question and never really engaged with anyone. Then he was cleared by a gunsmith so I backed off.

Now that you are getting close to being lynched, A50 suddenly decides to contribute by posting a case on MathBlade. (It's a decent case btw and I won't be heartbroken if MathBlade is lynched - he's been weirdly disconnected from the action and spending his time focusing on stupid things like Shaziro's role) It sends up a red flag to me because I don't see why A50 would choose NOW to do this.

I also expected someone on red to flip doc because in a 42p game, I'd expect at least one false gunsmith clear. Assuming all red maf are dead, that makes it extremely likely blue maf has a doc. If you are blue maf and A50 is the blue maf doc, he could protect you at night. This would explain why you haven't been vigged, why A50 posted his case now, and why A50 turned up clear on the gunsmith check.

So yes, it would make sense for him to defend you night and day. Otherwise his role would be useless and people would get paranoid if he made it further and further in the game despite having a gs clear on him.

It definitely makes sense to lynch you first - I don't know what you're arguing there. You have questionable actions that can be confirmed if you're town, and there's no way in hell I'm lynching a gunsmith clear without probable cause when you're still around.

I realize that the chances of this being true aren't super high (hence me still voting the hebi slot), but it definitely explains a lot and I would feel more comfortable with you dead.

[Elyse]

People I am good with lynching:
PeregrineV
Narna
Varsoon
Vedith
Lapsa (what did he claim idr)
Gollum
Mathblade

[Elyse]

lol @ people good with lynching me after I confirm scum to 'em
But ayyyy it is what it is.

If you're talking about DGB you could still be blue scum

And if you're talking about someone else I don't remember

[Elyse]

VOTE: Gollum

[Elyse]

Hi I won't be able to post until Thursday probably

[Elyse]

Oh shit did not see that coming

So why is ira scum?

Sorry I've been very busy

[Elyse]

Okay, I am blue-aligned then...

Red, you need to attack Boem_u_dusi. Trust us, we have worked out everyone's role by now, we know who you are. There is a good reason for this, it's necessary in order for either of us to win and you can work out why if you think about what already happened... We won't kill you, it's just shooting ourselves in the foot. I consider us to be purple-aligned, which is both red and blue united against the inferior primary color! We know there is extremely minimal risk for you to kill Boem_u_dusi, and town-aligned players will for sure win unless you do it...

Vigilante, no reason to even try... We have doctor to heal me!

This is why. He even ended it with a good reason to lynch over vig!

lol

VOTE: iraonavp

Why is PerV not scum?

[Elyse]

Hi I need to read the last few phases comprehensively. I've been kind of just tagging along cause we've had so many guilties and expecting to die some night but it hasn't happened. So that's my fault.

I don't get what's going on with Narna/Math but hoping they'll be able to confirm each other. Rach still being alive either means she's going down the wrong path or scum/SK expect the other team to kill her.

I want to lynch Lapsa > PerV > A50 in that order.

Can someone explain why PerV isn't being considered? I may have missed that.

[Elyse]

Hi I need to read the last few phases comprehensively. I've been kind of just tagging along cause we've had so many guilties and expecting to die some night but it hasn't happened. So that's my fault.

I don't get what's going on with Narna/Math but hoping they'll be able to confirm each other. Rach still being alive either means she's going down the wrong path or scum/SK expect the other team to kill her.

I want to lynch Lapsa > PerV > A50 in that order.

Can someone explain why PerV isn't being considered? I may have missed that.

I've softed town.

What does that mean

Yeah one of the things to look for with the last blue scum is if anyone suggested there were more red after 5 of them died.

[Elyse]

2-shot non consecutive vig

I shot BlackStar night 1 and Long Island medium N3

[Elyse]

Before everyone gets in a big huff we have to remember there might not be an SK because the setup WAS changed from 5:5:32. It's at least 6:6:30, maybe 6:6:1:29. So the change could have been reflecting the additional members to each scumteam, not necessarily the addition of an SK.

Though I do agree if there's an SK it has to be Pere.

But we can leash him now and force him to shoot, say, Narna, if Lapsa flips town.

Is there a flaw in this plan I'm missing?

[Elyse]

Ok worst case scenario:

We lynch Lapsa and he flips town

Leaving us with:
PeregrineV
Narna
RachMarie
Elyse
Almost50
Mathblade

Scum kills A50 or RachMarie (wait A50 why didn't you protect RachMarie?)

We force Pere to kill Narna. Narna flips town. Rach/Almost flips town. Leaving us with:

PeregrineV
Elyse
Almost50/RachMarie
Mathblade

If Pere is SK and Math is scum (what did math claim? sorry I'm awful with remembering claims this game) then we are screwed but leashing Pere will give us a higher chance of killing scum first and then lynching him if the game doesn't end. And if he doesn't listen then we lynch him and blue scum wins. So if he is SK, his best chance of winning is to listen to us anyway.

P-edit: Yeah the strongman thing is important, and neither Varsoon or Shaziro really makes sense as a vig kill.

[Elyse]

You right, you right. It was the right protection, just wanted to make sure the logic panned out.

@Math
The thing is that if Pere doesn't listen to us, we lynch him immediately and blue scum wins if we lynch town + two townies are killed. So he if is SK, then shooting blue scum is the only way for him to win.

[Elyse]

who did you track last night

and who are your other track results

on previous night - voyeured RachMarie. she was targeted by Almost50 and Elyse

This is a flat out lie

VOTE: Lapsa

Confirmed scum/SK

I'm not SK

When PerV flipped I thought we just didn't have one but there are some unexplained kills that have to be attributed to an SK.

But first let's run through a few things:

I was rb'd by Egg night 2 and there were four kills

I wouldn't have no killed last night because I'd be in 4P MyLo at that point and that's like the SK's goal

According to Thor, the SK is a ninja. So there's no way Lapsa could have seen me visiting Rach. Plus the SK is a strongman according to Almost so Rach would be dead.

Idk why Rach and Almost are still alive. Rach I get because Almost is allegedly protecting her, but I'm starting to think Almost could be the SK. Especially since his "protection" on Shaziro failed and if the SK was actually a strongman, then Rach would be dead. There is NO reason for Rach to be alive right now other than Almost not being an actual doc and not being able to kill her.

Ok nvm apparently Lapsa was kidding...?
UNVOTE:

Right now I think Almost is SK (explains why him and Rach are still around) and Narna or Lapsa is blue scum. Probably Narna.

[Elyse]

according to Thor - he won the game. twice

Elyse, you missed it. it's not funny

if you did want to say anything serious - please, be so kind and weed out stupidity out of your post

otherwise - i'm inclined to vote you

What are you talking about? You think Thor was lying about watching Egg and no one visiting him? Why would he lie about that? It makes sense for him to watch his own scumbuddy.

This is irrelevant anyway since you were joking though.

There is NO reason for Rach to be alive right now other than Almost not being an actual doc and not being able to kill her.

Right. Now please explain to the class the "not being able to kill her" bit. You have all night and most of the day (real night/day) to come up with a logical explanation.

Because you're supposedly protecting her. How I see it - you have two options. One, you kill Rach and say "I protected her - it must be the strongman SK" which is mighty suspicious. Or two, you no kill and argue you protected the kill so you have to be telling the truth.

Also I think blue scum already tried to kill you and failed. Because if you were actually a doc you would be dead right now. Killing MathBlade over a doc/mason is insane for both blue scum and SK. I can't believe both of you are town and I know Rach has to be.

[Elyse]

Lol Almost I give you props but you dug yourself into a hole with this one.

If I am a strongman SK then there's no way in hell Rach is alive today. None whatsoever. I don't think the SK is a strongman. I think you killed Shaziro two nights ago and no killed last night as a gambit because you would be under scrutiny for allegedly protecting the last two NKs, strongman or not.

[Elyse]

@Rach
In order for Almost to be town, the strongman has to be SK. And most likely the SK is bulletproof too. If you can explain to me why me or anyone besides Almost wouldn't kill you, a confirmed townie, with so few players left, then I'll hand Almost the win and you can lay in the bed you made.

Like it's just crazy to me that Almost is convincing you of this. He set up the fake strongman SK thing just in case blue scum killed one of his "protections". Killing you would make him look more suspicious and get rid of an important ally. He needs to keep me, Narna, and Lapsa alive because we're mislynch options (Narna or Lapsa is blue scum but that's besides the point). The only way these night actions make any sense is if Almost is SK.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Lapsa

I think he's blue scum and I'd rather go head to head with Almost knowing blue is dead first.

[Elyse]

How I see it is that if the SK is actually a strongman, then there's no way Rach would be alive.

But I also don't see Almost no killing either...unless he thinks he has Rach so deep in his pocket that she won't reconsider her stance?

@Narna
Is there any way you could stop the kill?

[Elyse]

I thought since the beginning there were multiple town vigs. In a game this large I'd expect as much. At first I thought there would be another 2-shot non consecutive vig, but PerV being a full vig and me being 2-shot non consecutive made the backup more interesting. If I died first I'd assume he'd take my abilities rather than being a full vig like Pere.

Idk claiming vig as SK just isn't reliable in the long run and Pere's kills seemed like vig kills for the most part.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Almost50

[Elyse]

You're still ignoring the fact that there were four kills on Night 2 and Egg roleblocked me.

And you saying "shooting Rach might have been an option, but then you knew I would still vote you and Narna isn't stupid, so he probably would have opted to vote you over me" is complete horseshit. WIFOM or not, there's no way in hell I'm taking a conftown who thinks I'm SK to LyLo. The only way for you to be town is for a strongman SK to exist. And if that does exist, there's no way Rach would alive right now.

You can't have it both ways. Bringing Rach was a gamble and it's backfiring. Yeah you have another voice in your corner and more help to convince Narna, but you didn't think about what would make sense from my PoV.

[Elyse]

Ok I thought that strongman could be rb'd.

The point still stands that I would never enter MyLo with a mason opposing me when I could enter LyLo with her dead.

[Elyse]

What's important is that

if I was a strongman SK there is no way I would leave Rach alive today.

[Elyse]

None of us would have if they were the SK, yet someone did, so the point is mute. It's called WIFOM. "I would have done so & so thus it couldn't be me.." vs "But that's exactly why you didn't. To use this very argument". It's not like you're telling us something mod-confirmed and using it for an argument.

Here, let's try:

@Mod: Would Elyse have killed Rach if she was Strongman SK ??

See?? No Answer. Not a mod-confirmed piece of info. Just an argument.

You have motivation to do it. Rach has been on your side. Yesterday she said she wouldn't lynch you or Narna. Now she's in MyLo with you and Narna...and me. There's no way in hell I'd take her. Yeah you can argue WIFOM all you want but the risk of me taking her FAR outweighs the benefits. For you, it's not as clear cut.

[Elyse]

@Elyse:

Rach did say that, yes. Now how did you come to the conclusion it'd be me and not Narna then? (Warning: That's a tricky one!)

As I've said multiple times, you can only be town if there is a strongman SK. Rach being alive points to this not being true because any strongman SK would have killed her. So you have to be lying about your Shaziro protection or purposely no killed.

[Elyse]

Won't be able to do a bigger post until tomorrow but

@Narna
What changed your mind? I don't see anything that Almost posted that is new information and anything that is new is WIFOM.

@Almost
I think my reasoning and thoughts were pretty clear early on in the game. I do admit I kinda fell off the wagon as the game progressed because of the multiple guilties/I thought I would be NK'd for being townread by most people. I'll explain my thought process tomorrow - don't have time tonight.

[Elyse]

Ok so I used my two vig shots as soon as I could because I didn't want to die before I could use them.

BlackStar's hop onto HotChocolate and final post of Day 1 pinged me super hard. He's the kind of scumread you're confident about but isn't a top lynch candidate - the perfect vig shot.

After it was revealed long island medium wasn't a VT, he was super against the CCC wagon and looked like a buddy. Again, it was a scumread I felt confident in but wasn't going to be lynched in the near future.

After that it was basically follow the cop until basic (hebichan's) lynch which I pioneered. (and they flipped town) I really thought they slipped by claiming friendly neighbor and knowing there was a roleblocker hood without being in it.

Since SKs are looking to kill scum, it's difficult to explain why my thought process isn't coming from an SK perspective, but my reasons are genuine and based on logic rather than random role shenanigans which may or may not be true.

[Elyse]

Still think it's A50 because of the strongman thing but I will look into Narna because I have to factor in how Rach being alive would fit into Narna's plan...expect that later on cause I'm hella busy.

[Elyse]

The main reason I'm not trying to instalynch a50 is because most every sk I've seen that wins has a very similar posting pattern to Elyse. Acquire towncred early, maybe push a mislynch, and then get too busy to post immediately after said mislynch while hoping town implodes on itself (see: pv and Gollum lynches).

Ok but you can look at my activity site wide and see I'm not faking it.

[Elyse]

Yeah I don't think Narna is SK. A strongman wouldn't keep Rach alive. Even though Rach is on Narna's side mostly, Narna could have easily killed her to fuel the fire between me and A50.

[Elyse]

I'm town.

So if you're actually town you could try to convince me by responding to Narna. I think he did a pretty good job of batting down your arguments.

[Elyse]

The fact that no one is posting is making me uneasy

[Elyse]

You have no response to Narna's wall?

[Elyse]

[Elyse]

Are you kidding me

[Elyse]

I'm sorry Rach but you're gonna have to explain yourself.

Did you not see Almost just flip his vote? He was soooo positive I was SK and then he saw an opening and flipped to Narna. And then Narna responded to his points and he ignored him.

Did you ever think about why you're still alive? Why on god's green earth would I bring you to MyLo???

I'm sorry I'm not trying to be rude but it's really frustrating for me to work hard in this MyLo phase, finally feel like I've proven that Almost is SK, and then you come in and just vote me with no explanation.

[Elyse]

Elyse do you think town is too overpowered with a vig, backup, and 2-shot vig?

In a game this size, yes.

Rach needs to catch up.

@Almost
This is a 42 P game. I'd expect some weird roles and combinations. My reason for suspecting you is the strongman SK theory with Rach still alive.

[Elyse]

I know that's not what you asked.

I agree that your role seems most likely and mine or Narna's seems least likely. But lynching based on that is stupid.

[Elyse]

Rach deadline is in 8 hours...

[Elyse]

It's ok just wanted you to know.

What are you thinking? I really don't want a no lynch but if that's what you think is best you have the power to do it by not voting

[Elyse]

Why

[Elyse]

Official Vote Count

Day 12 VC .final

Almost50

(1): Elyse

Narna

(1): Almost50

Elyse

(1): Narna

No Lynch

(1): RachMarie

With 4 alive, it takes 3 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-10-08 16:00:00)

Look at this fucking vote count lmao

[Elyse]

Rach at this point I just want the game to end.

It's clear you being alive is helpful to the SK somehow. So you're going to have to make a decision. To me it still looks like Almost. He would have been lynched yesterday if it weren't for you and the strongman shit still points to him.

However, Narna's switch to me at the end was gross and realllllly seemed like an SK trying to make a last minute lynch happen rather than a townie who could potentially lose the game if he chose wrong. The SK not killing Rach is also a really ballsy move and Narna is in the most comfortable position of the three of us.

I could see the case for either. I don't mean to pin it all on you Rach but I want this monstrosity to be over lol. If you think it's me then fine but let's do this.

[Elyse]

That was an exasperated why because we're in the same situation as yesterday

[Elyse]

The switch may have been gross, but relying on a50, who is sk reading me, to follow me onto you would make little sense as sk. Especially when a50 already had your vote.

It also makes little sense as town to potentially lose the game like that.

I do agree it seems like A50 benefits the most from Rach being alive - could be WIFOM though.

[Elyse]

Rach and Almost both voted me the previous phase so it's not extremely unlikely they would do it again.

Anyway I feel like we're in a holding pattern and it's up to Rach to decide at this point.

[Elyse]

Gun to my head - Almost

He seems to benefit most from keeping you alive
For him to be town, there has to be a strongman SK - meaning that you should be dead

Those are the two strong reasons I'm suspecting him the most. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Narna but gun to my head, Almost.

[Elyse]

Hmmm.

The only thing about that that doesn't make sense is PV shooting Shaziro. Shaziro was pretty clearly town.

[Elyse]

Unless he shot Varsoon and Lapsa/SK shot Shaziro?

[Elyse]

Idk both look like scumkills to me. I assumed PV didn't use his shot since he didn't claim it.

[Elyse]

VOTE: Narna

[Elyse]

Wish it didn't have to end like that :/

But meh

[Elyse]

Personally I didn't want to get this far, especially as SK, only to tie.

I wanted the full win.

[Elyse]

I couldn't believe I rolled SK again after Borderlands lol

[Elyse]

I tried. Almost was protecting you.

Going with the strongman theory kept the heat off of me

[Elyse]

Also big thanks to mhsmith for keeping things running smoothly

[Elyse]

Thanks everyone <3

Wow glad this is finally over. So stressful!

I knew I fucked up my claim but I didn't know what else to do. Any suggestions there?

[Elyse]

Besides Egg did anyone target me?