Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Narna]

Posting before the game starts

[Narna]

Vote Rachmarie

Mostly for trying to fake a townslip in the neighbor PT by calling us masons.

VOTE: Rachmarie

I'll sheep on that logic. Rach can confirm or deny it. Now to catch up.

[Narna]

Blanche stop fishing.

[Narna]

And now I am slightly suspicious of Egg.

I am also curious about this gut read.

[Narna]

@naran What are your other reads?

None, I just got here. I'm only two pages into reading this.

[Narna]

/out

[Narna]

Not really, but seriously? There was no threat.

[Narna]

Not really, but seriously? There was no threat.

More people could have voted because they 'trust Egg' or something similar....

We could see who in that case and then catch them.

VOTE: Egg
Just to make the slightest use of the mason claim I guess.

[Narna]

More people could have voted because they 'trust Egg' or something similar....

We could see who in that case and then catch them.

VOTE: Egg
Just to make the slightest use of the mason claim I guess.

The fuck is this post?

The fuck is yours? You don't think the masons claimed prematurely?

[Narna]

Not really, but seriously? There was no threat.

More people could have voted because they 'trust Egg' or something similar....

We could see who in that case and then catch them.

VOTE: Egg
Just to make the slightest use of the mason claim I guess.

this is a really bad vote
read post 919

I agree with this. I didn't really think it through. I was just sheeping the masons while I am catching up.
UNVOTE:

[Narna]

Well, I got a green light from her, so.....Pay attention cos this will only be said once.

We're Masons. With RachMarie.

delicious, i buy it. egg has pretty much confirmed this mason pair as town.

They're also saying Kling is with them. Are they confirmed town for you still?

[Narna]

I don't like the Hot Chocolate lynch at the moment. He's posted nothing much so far, but the game did just start. He said he hadn't read the thread yet. If he continues to be useless there won't be much of an excuse. I'd rather the lynch shift to some of the questionable votes on that wagon like Skybird's.

Townblock's posts continue to look contrived and forced.

[Narna]

We can always revisit hc a little today or save him for the vig. I'd rather have a lynch with a lot of discussion behind it d1. I'm ok with putting pressure on him though.

[Narna]

is ok

...
~Dwlee

CB is scum because of a skype conversation? Lots of memeing and some stating the obvious. You were like the 3rd person to bring up Kling being a mason to Parama (after he already acknowledged it), and that yes or no question was possibly the most arbitrary question of the game.

[Narna]

You guys are mean. Why is everyone voting me?

scumhunt please

[Narna]

P-edit: I'm sorry, do scum not have daytalk? I thought somebody had said they did. If so, why would they coach in thread?

Town is going to lose if all of these jokes keep flying over everyone's heads.

[Narna]

CCC, what is that train of thought?

Train of thought:

- Role madness implies maximum one Vanilla Townie
- Three people, under no particular pressure in two cases and under threat of an early-stage RVS wagon in the third, claimed VT.
- This implies that two of them are lying.
- Town, when under little to no threat, has no reason to lie (and I can't quite figure out why they'd roleclaim at all, in fact)
- Scum have every reason to lie
- Since it was implied that two of them are lying, I therefore conclude that the two liars are scum
- I have no idea which two are the liars, so I vote for one of the VT claimants. This gives me a two-thirds chance of voting for scum.

But you voted us and agreed with other for voting Ira for making the sane role madness assumption

CCC Train?

[Narna]

@Narna

What do you mean?

I like lynching contradictions.

VOTE: CCC Well stop trying to outguess the mod then ccc.

Hot Chocolate nooo.

[Narna]

It looks like something a nooby scum player would do.

[Narna]

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

Replace this.

[Narna]

I'm cool with lynching the Chocolate slot now. I'd still rather lynch ccc and pray she gets vigged, but she's proven herself useless.

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

I <3 U

XD

See I am going to give you a tip, you need more gifs, cute anime gifs. They get everyone, everytime :p

Bonus points for Lolis

[Narna]

iso hot chocolate and find out

[Narna]

^
not liking this post

@rach can you confirm amalgam as masons please

get bent

~Memeo

Spoiler: Another strong Townblock post

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

Everyone get your votes on me I town slipped because I am in both a neighborhood

and

a mason jeez

analgram sorry dudes I was hoping to wait til later to claim but this is bloody ridic

Kling is also in our mason crew

[Narna]

Glad a wagon on someone who's possibly trolling or a secret IC means everyone else gets an excuse to not scumhunt or interact

-Dunn

How do you feel about trying to let a vig do it?

[Narna]

town gives way less fucks about how they look than scum do

I totally agree and this does NOT apply to HC

I think she's trying to look town so bad that everything comes out scum. Nothing is coming out looking townie. But it is her intent.

It looks like she's not trying to appear town at all.

[Narna]

She's in the other scum faction LOL

Other? Unless I'm missing something, that looks like a slip. Yes I know the game is multi.

[Narna]

Oh I made the connection. I'm dumb

[Narna]

If we're not lynching Hot Chocolate today, we're not lynching her ever in this game. I'm dead serious. She's an easy mislynch for any scum faction at any point in the game so the only correct play here is to either lynch her or proclaim her the Innocent Child. Okay?

This is terrible. That being said, lynch hc for greater justice.

No, it isn't. What is terrible is town losing the game at f5 because she's still in play and anyone can strong-arm her and win the game for his/her scum faction.

You're still creating a false dilemma. She could easily be vigged or lynched tomorrow, and we avoid your nightmare endgame scenario. I don't think it's inherently wrong to lynch HC today, but the "now or never" urgency seems a little unprecedented.

[Narna]

Back to the VOTE: CCC train. You guys should have led with the song.

Here is my condensed read on today so far. I agree iraon is dumbtown. I have been agreeing with what Skelda has been saying today, and I'm going to need one of the few scumreading him to point out what is suspicious about him. Bacade is a good vig target. Methblade's hard tunnel is a little distracting. I get it, iraon lied. I disagree with gdb's gambit as the more likely result is that he gets lynched off before getting shot for having a weak and unprovable fakeclaim.

@Parama I corrected myself after the slip because gdb was actually saying Long Island is scum and that hc is on the other scumteam from him. I still find that this is one of the most forced reasons to vote someone in this game and don't like the post at all.

Spoiler:

town gives way less fucks about how they look than scum do

I totally agree and this does NOT apply to HC

I think she's trying to look town so bad that everything comes out scum. Nothing is coming out looking townie. But it is her intent.

I feel like this post doesn't bring anything new, so I'll throw a bone at the people gambling against me and saying I have a "dark aura". Why was I so scummy yesterday?

[Narna]

On Iraon, I was dumbtown reading him yesterday, and his play today is more than consistent with that.

[Narna]

Narna can die too

-Dunn

I just going to wait for Zach to come and redact that.

Egg is probably scum.

pedit: lmao

[Narna]

Is CB alive?

[Narna]

I meant to say dead, but you get the point.

[Narna]

Hey CCC do you deny or admit murdering someone last night?

I didn't murder anyone last night.

This is now a confirmed guilty. We have a gunsmith result on CCC. They have a gun.

They claimed not to shoot anyone.

Thus, they are scum.

Lynch with extreme prejudice.

"Having a gun" does not mean "Mafia". There are other roles that also have guns.

CCC was told to post this.

He didn't address having a gun for posts on posts.

[Narna]

"Having a gun" does not mean "Mafia". There are other roles that also have guns.

CCC was told to post this.

He didn't address having a gun for posts on posts.

I was catching up!

Do you have any idea how long it takes to read through

over thirty pages

of posts? I was replying as I worked through the thread!

If you want me to believe that, you have to claim in like now.

[Narna]

So the guy who said this today doesn't have a gun?

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

hmmm, maybe I'm too deep, but this seems more than a little convenient.

[Narna]

Incidentally, Iraonvp, this means that tonight you should be Neopoliting long_island_medium.

Why not just wait for this instead of throwing shade on your gunsmith result? Pushing on Long Island today would be pointless.

[Narna]

I don't understand why having a gun is a bad thing in "role madness" tbh

It's like bacade is choosing to ignore that ccc claimed gunsmith and that his target was the guy who claimed vt today. It's an absolutely HUGE coincidence. I don't think Math has read that far yet.

I wouldn't be opposed to switching to Egg though.

[Narna]

@Narna catching up as fast as I can. When I get there I will respond but yeah if CCC targeted someone and that target claimed VT it likely confirms their role. Based on Cookie Bakers pushing during Iroanavp this makes them likely town. Assuming that the paragraph is true (as it likely is)

Serrapaladin claimed vt before CCC claimed he had targeted him. That doesn't confirm shit.

[Narna]

you know for someone named MathBlade you're taking a pretty OBTUSE angle HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

CB is not scum and CCC most likely is, given the facts


- Zach

Your obtuse is my acute depending on location. To me the obtuse thing is assuming someone who has a gun in 42 player game means guilty. A tracker or a watcher has much more credence over a guilty. Shaziro's or Varsoon's guilties are actual guilties. Not this.

No. They caught liars.

I caught scum. What cop attacks their supposed innocent?

Just link the post and don't put unnecessary spin on it. Attacks? That really left a bad taste in my mouth CB.

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

That make you number four to claim the role. So far, two of the other claimants have been shown to be lying.

You are under no particular pressure to claim, and it is no longer day one. Why have you elected to make this claim

now

, of all times?

[Narna]

Varsoon's "guilty"? Varsoon got a not VT on DGB because DGB turned out to be a one-shot BP if I'm not mistaken

WHICH YOU DO CLAIM VT WITH THAT BECAUSE IF YOU CLAIM BP IT DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF YOUR FUCKING ROLE.

You needlessly claim vt on d1 in a role madness game as bp townie. lolok.

Just link the post and don't put unnecessary spin on it. Attacks? That really left a bad taste in my mouth CB.

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

That make you number four to claim the role. So far, two of the other claimants have been shown to be lying.

You are under no particular pressure to claim, and it is no longer day one. Why have you elected to make this claim

now

, of all times?

Ok. Good to know. I don't consider that "spin" or "unncessary" but good to know you do.

~Titus

That's cute.

[Narna]

So the guy who said this today doesn't have a gun?

would now be a good time to mention that I'm an actual, for-real VT?

hmmm, maybe I'm too deep, but this seems more than a little convenient.

It does seem convenient however I believe CCC. This claim looks like a way to dodge iroanavp's wrap.

Besides if CCC were scum then the rest of the scum team would be idiots not to have him claim something that has a gun but doesn't require a check. The claim is so convenient there is no way scum made that up IMO.

This may be a poor association, but you think ccc's claim was bad enough that he's town, and Iraon's insanely anti-town play isn't bad enough to be town?

[Narna]

Claiming me as target is pretty convenient. Particularly given ccc took some time to 'read'.

But also if DGB wanted to try to make scum use a shot on her, claiming VT is hardly the way to do that.

For lies to avoid lynch all liars, I think they demonstrably need to benefit town and not scum.

How does DGB's claim benefit scum? You think scum wouldn't assume that she could be fakeclaiming and target anyway?

The point still stands that it's better than claiming BP outright

The game had sidetracked massively because of the other vt claim, and people were unsure if GDB was joking or not about his claim after Iraon claimed. The pro-town thing to do would admit you were joking and his bp stays hidden. The anti-town thing to do would be to lie and continue sidetracking the game.

I'm not trying to say gdb is confscum, but they definitely earned some scumreads.

[Narna]

I suggest DGB, Skybird, Townblock/Egg.

[Narna]

Yet another liar? Lynch all motherfucking liars.

VOTE: serrapaladin

VOTE: serrapaladin

Hi.

~T

I don't like these votes considering the mod decided to clarify a normal rule about modifiers on the site once the result on Serra came out.

VOTE: Egg Please tell me someone tried to sort egg or townblock last night.

[Narna]

Valhalla is pushing Town Block quite hard for bad play rather than scumtells. Oh he missed Long Island redacting the vt claim

and

forgot he roleblocked someone? I don't think either of those are alignment indicative unless you straight up don't believe Townblock to be a roleblocker.

Oh well, the lynch probably can't be switched to egg no matter what because Hebi and I are at the start of the wagon. I still subscribe to the idea that two town players would not have role blocked Valhalla n1, so it's not a bad lynch. The reasoning to switch off of Egg seems a little forced though.

[Narna]

Valhalla is pushing Town Block quite hard for bad play rather than scumtells. Oh he missed Long Island redacting the vt claim

and

forgot he roleblocked someone? I don't think either of those are alignment indicative unless you straight up don't believe Townblock to be a roleblocker.

Ya but when they claim ira is hard scum in one line and literally acknowledges that ira's role is valid in another, then we have prime rope material

even Shaziro changed votes because we were never getting lynched anyway

Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.
VOTE: Townblock

Town:

Serrapaladin - The only genuine VT claim, and the holy mod intervention leads me to believe this is town.

Day 1 Masons:

Rach, Anal-gam, Klingon

Townlean:

Cookie Bakers - Pointed out the contradiction in ccc's votes d1 and has a validated claim. There's always the chance of maf gunsmith, but they've been leaking town vibes. The wagon on them d1 was also weak.
Boem - I don't think scum would go for that "lynch hc d1 or treat them like an ic" considering they flipped town and the lynch seemed inevitable.
Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.
Shazario - No reason to doubt the claim other than it possibly being a scum variant. I liked a lot of their posts until today where him, V11, and CB started going in circles about traitor crumbing. He still looks townie.
Creature - Voted ccc with me d1, and went from Egg to Townblock like I am.
Transcend - Following CB around and posting reads lists looks townie.
Drixx - Him and CB are most likely on the same team thanks to the math. I'm not fond of his policy vote on Lapsa when we've got innovators fakeclaiming vt left and right. That shit is way more anti-town than a couple "fuck yous I'm not outing myself because I was seen visiting someone who wasn't roleblocked or killed." I would have put him in null if I wasn't townreading CB.

Null:

Elyse - They were the only person I liked trying to sort CB d1.
Lapsa - I can't really get behind his meta reads (I haven't played with most of you), but he seems to be making efforts to solve the game. I also like that he didn't give into the claim demands. We had 4 deaths both nights. So what if a doc visited?
Skelda - I agree with a lot of their posts, but they've remained pretty neutural without much scumhunting.
Iraonavp - The dumbtown read can only carry one so far, and he still hasn't explained my dark aura. Also a liar
Varsoon - Two town joat flipping last night is rather unfortunate, but apparently Wake loves his duplicate roles.
Aeronaut - 0 posts, fun
Skybird - Post on Lapsa was simply pointing out the obvious while missing the point that he wasn't about to soft shit. He seems easy to read at least if he posts more.
Boring - I remember not liking the reason people were scum reading Boring d1 because I also thought the whole "-alligned" thing was memery for the first few pages. Their contributions have been relatively low and neutural though
Almost50 - I'm not sure what to make of it. The Elyse vote seems random to me, but at least it's a start from being the neutural rehash machine.
Seraphim - Sick hammer, but lolmultiball
Map Wolf
Long Island - I agreed with their posts early about how the early phases of such a large game would play out, but that's not really alignment indicative. Also a liar
Thor
PV

Scumlean:

Townblock/Egg - Roleblocked v11 n1, I don't see that as town's go to rb. The odds of two townies rbing them n1 seems low to me.
Mathblade - They've been making a lot claims about the way mafia should be played and basing a lot of their arguments on Cookiebakers being scum. It seems kind of phony edit: I just read the spoilers from #2835 I'm going to need time to digest that one. Sadly that mess of a post probably bumps him up to null, but the hard pushes and discrediting of CB while ccc was being lynched still looks pretty bad. Math's posts are interesting; are they normally this loud?
GDB - Hard tunneling is so easy to do as maf. Also a liar
Hebi - Pushed on a mason d1 after they claimed because they were too defensive for town!rach. It seems a little fishy. I also don't follow how Titus not liking the Egg vote makes egg scum. Are you scum reading CB?

[Narna]

By gdb I presume you mean dgb?
she is big on tunneling so in her case that is NAI

yuup

Maybe put her around Seraphim in null then, shrug. I don't have a strong read on the slot aside from not liking their gambit.

[Narna]

[quote="In post 3202

omg scumslip lynch pls

~Memeo

You should vote Lapsa.
Unless you have a valid idea about why scum wouldn't mess with a claimed Gunsmith or (claimed at the time?) Watcher combo.
Which is crazy talk.

CB wasn't roleblocked, nor is there a missing kill. How do you propose Lapsa manipulated CB? I think I recall someone saying redirector wasn't in normals on this site, but if that's not true I'll concede.

[Narna]

aheeheaeaaaa

maybe i just suck

but i think all these votes you guys are makig are bad

like i'd infinitely prefer to see skybird or seraphim eat rope over lapsa/long

Doesn't it seem weird to you that TownBlock and Skybird hopped onto Seraphim behind RachMarie? Either TB, Skybird, and Seraphim are all scum on different teams, or they aren't all scum.

no

[Narna]

i'll play this out to the end but if anyone ever asks me to join a 42 player role madness again, i'm most likely gonna politely decline lol.

Yeah it has to be a 42 player bastard game next time.

[Narna]

CB wasn't roleblocked, nor is there a missing kill. How do you propose Lapsa manipulated CB? I think I recall someone saying redirector wasn't in normals on this site, but if that's not true I'll concede.

I will agree CB wasn't roleblocked, but then again we don't know who did or didn't target Lapsa.
What is your theory that 4 kills counts as no missing kills with only two nights of evidence in role madness? 2+X=4 is a bit speculative last I checked.
Also, feel free to list all the roles you suppose Lapsa could have, wherein he'd want to be dodgy about it.

Is he investigative? A tracker or a Cop has zero business mucking with an investigative who tagged scum on Night 2 of a Large.
He's not a fruit or a neighborizer or inventor, as that would have positive identifying aspects.
That tends to leave me with protective - and with multiple claimed investigatives I see no reason to get dodgy about that as a claim, just claim a protective role and you're done.
Instead he got dodgy.
Read DGB's sig.
Then vote Lapsa.

Assuming there is a missing kill is also a bit speculative. I could see a cop checking them considering the game is multiball. I agree it wouldn't exactly be optimal though. I think it would be better to sort townblock/egg today, and take a look at the bodycount and Lapsa tomorrow.

Can anyone who didn't like the V11 block tell me why he didn't seem like someone who would have performed a kill as scum?

They drew a ton of attention to themselves by talking against the hc wagon and then hammering it really early in the phase. At least I think that would have drawn a lot of attention going into the night phase. There's also the slot being really active and garnering some townreads from other players. It's risky to lose that to a stray watcher when there are scummier players to do the dirty work.

[Narna]

VOTE: Shaziro

They messed up their role twice in my PT.

Uh how so? This sounds fun.

[Narna]

Or at least have someone who's scumreads I've been agreeing with confirm it.

[Narna]

Oh. I feel dumb now. I am not a "friendly" neighbor.

I am a neighbor/citizen.

*facepalm*

So I feel this was probably coached. Proper nomenclature as per my role and his recent post is citizen/neighbour. I think she should get that right if she just checked the role.

Also, I have neither the time nor the interests to interact with my neighbourhood.

Yeah this, vig hebi

[Narna]

Oh I see your point now. Dudes just let me be spicy and scum lean

Zach

your slot in peace.

Valhalla - I hate hydras backpedaling on each other. They are generating a lot of discussion for town though, quality bartending.

How are you gonna scumlean Zach, anyway? I'm probably the obvtowniest person here.

You do look pretty town. That's why the read would have been so spicy.

[Narna]

I'm going to suggest all power roles to never listen to Mathblade.

[Narna]

And I'm going to suggest if I am right you owe me a million kudos post game. At work for at least another 30 minutes to hour before I can drive home.

Bruh, even if Valhalla is scum, that's a Hail Mary vig target at this point. They have a lot of content to analyze and sort with.

My neighbor claim has been proven right by the mod, so I'm not sure what I am being coached about.

Again, lynch me if you're confident, don't waste a vig on me.

Neighbors aren't alignment indicative. If you had just checked your role pm, it's odd that you would list yourself as neighbor/cit instead of cit/neighbor. I don't think a lynch on that reasoning would generate a lot of discussion, but it's still worth looking into.

Oh, with Narna ofc.

Quit being so tsun towards me. Let's kill scum as a unit.

[Narna]

Lapsa and Map Wolf make good vig targets.

Suggestions on who to GS are open.

Egg egg egg

[Narna]

I'm not sure who you are talking about. If I had to guess I'd say Thor.

[Narna]

Valhalla is pushing Town Block quite hard for bad play rather than scumtells. Oh he missed Long Island redacting the vt claim

and

forgot he roleblocked someone? I don't think either of those are alignment indicative unless you straight up don't believe Townblock to be a roleblocker.

Oh well, the lynch probably can't be switched to egg no matter what because Hebi and I are at the start of the wagon. I still subscribe to the idea that two town players would not have role blocked Valhalla n1, so it's not a bad lynch. The reasoning to switch off of Egg seems a little forced though.

This seems like scum-aligned with TownBlock, because he is overjustifying his position and conceding without a vote.

I vote them in my next post, but feel free to ignore that.

[Narna]

I can't believe you guys made Lapsa claim despite there being 3 kills tonight. Clearly 4 kills was the intended amount.

I'm pretty sure lynching the possible sk or maf roleblocker would be preferable to map wolf, but I'm not stressing, he is likely scum. I would like for him to claim before hammering though.

I think CB is being too paranoid in regards to Skelda, and I don't see how anyone can be townreading dgb at this point..

[Narna]

Hebi still needs to be vigged or lynched after this too.

[Narna]

I want to know what Thor did last night and if Boem was watching Drixx or CB.

Skybird told me they role copped Egg night 3... I didn't get a chance to post last phase, and I remember someone wondering if they used their rolecop. I don't know her n1 action, but from what I could gather from context, it might have also been used on Egg. Before she died, Skybird was scumreading Vedith for not scumreading her in their hood. She knew she looked scummy in thread, and she had a meta reasoning along the lines of last time she was town Vedith scum read her all game. It didn't do too much for me, but I figured it couldn't hurt to share.

for variety's sake, VOTE: Hebichan I'm cool with both Hebi and Thor lynches at the moment.

Mathblade, who is scum now that CB flipped town? It looks like you've been trying to push town in a bad direction the past couple phases.

[Narna]

I think Thor should claim his action first, or at least before Boem.

[Narna]

I think the remaining Blue scum are Narna, Boem, and Skelda.

I think the remaining Red scum is Hebichan or Shaziro or in third Thor.

I wanted to lynch ccc d1 and d2, as well as call out a few Townblock posts. Boem outed both red and blue roleblockers d2, he's town. What makes you think we are hard bussing?

[Narna]

What makes you think we are hard bussing?

dislike wording of this. Narna ain't hydra

Context, my friend. Whoe else was I talking about in the sentence before that?

Narna
PeregrineV
serrapaladin
Thor665
Vedith

Their lurking isn't usual.

I've played one game on the site. I'm actually an unknown lurksack.

I think the remaining Blue scum are Narna, Boem, and Skelda.

I think the remaining Red scum is Hebichan or Shaziro or in third Thor.

I wanted to lynch ccc d1 and d2, as well as call out a few Townblock posts. Boem outed both red and blue roleblockers d2, he's town. What makes you think we are hard bussing?

CCC was probably because you couldn''t reasonably move after Cookie Baker's "guilty" which was not a guilty.
Yes Boem did. For the town creds.

Vote Count Analysis. Especially Skelda. Like jesus Skelda's VCA is soooooooo fucking bad.

I probably could have followed you onto Iroan or any of the liars from d2 safely. Because as you said, it wasn't a full on guilty.

[Narna]

No you couldn't. Because you had a scum read the day before and Cookie Bakers was screaming that CCC was scum. If you would have switched it would have caused issues as CCC wasn't doing anything townie to earn a swap in read from you. As it was I thought it was too town derpy to be scum.

Alright I see what you're saying. The more likely case is that a townie jumped on a walking contradiction d1, and still wanted to see him dead d2. At least your justification for scumreading townies has improved since the CB days.

pedit: another role spec argument, neat.

[Narna]

Vote: Thor665

I'm disappointed about their lack of death during the Night, now we need to lynch another guilty before resuming the game.

@People voting hebi, I agree that hebi is probably scum but they definitely aren't worse than Thor who has a guilty on him still.

I want to see if Thor can back up his shaky claim with before committing to him. Hebi has slipped up a few times, and a couple of their votes pinged me moreso than Thor's insistence on Lapsa being scum and not liking the roleblocker lynches.

If Thor doesn't have something new, I'll be switching over because not seeing anyone visit Egg sounds like bs. Hell, I don't even know about watching Egg from a town perspective. It's fishing for the vig instead of catching scum.

[Narna]

VOTE: Thor665

fuck it, I just iso'd Thor. I'll switch back if he validates himself with juicy info.

[Narna]

VOTE: Boring

My money is on blue and that red is dead.

[Narna]

This has been a very interactive game of follow the guilties. Good shit Boem, CB, and the vanilla coppers.

Vig Thor, then Hebi

[Narna]

I'm praising, easy games are the best.

[Narna]

My gut is telling me to lynch Boring.

Foxbird

[Voyeur/Neighbor]

[Killed Night 2]
Parama

[Bodyguard/Neighbor]

[Killed Night 2]
Comparing Realities

[Jack-of-All-Trades/Neighbor]

[Killed Night 2]
Bacde

[Jack-of-All-Trades]

[Killed Night 2]

However with shitty nka, it's hard enough to find two scum looking kills in the early nights. Bacade and Accountant/CR were being scumread by a lot of the game, and foxbird was a nobody. If there is another 1-shot vig, then one of the scumteam's kills are missing. That would heavily implicate Lapsa who visited CB n2 and believed Boring rather easily.

[Narna]

p-edit: We've had decreasing kills as the nights go on. I might not be the only 1-shot vig, or scum/Sk might be getting blocked occasionally.

Yeah I wouldn't be too surprised if there was another. In my last post I was also assuming Long Island's og vig exists. That's how town could potentially account for 3 kills on that one night only, maybe.

pedit: That's no fun Shaz.

[Narna]

Mafia can also have ninjas, not just sk. Hitting the same target on n2 would be a little less likely, but considering Parama was a likely target, it'd be lazy to assume they couldn't have overlapping kills.

[Narna]

Boem is still alive, sick.

Mathblade, keep your paranoia in check. Boem didn't out his result early enough my ass.

VOTE: Thor665 let's hear something new Thor

[Narna]

Bruh you anti-town as fuck

[Narna]

I am scumhunting and explaining my opinions. That is protown.
I did not agree with common sheep Titus because all the ground she walked on is holy mentality.
She happened to be right and happened to be town. However I was right on DGB being scum.

Furthermore I may be shit with reads but generally I am pretty fucking good with numbers and how many on each team because shit makes sense.

It is Town v 5 v5 with a slim to almost none possibility of an SK IMHO.

You can call me antitown for posting thoughts but that doesn't make it true.

Well your thoughts involve hard defending blue scum and pushing scumreads on townies until they are dead. The fact that you went along with an obvscum red lynch doesn't legitimize any of that. Red could even be dead by this point. What happened to your read on Iroan anyway? I remember him being obvscum in your eyes, yet I'm the scummy one for going back to Thor ya?

[Narna]

I don't even get how you made the connection of ccc is a counterwagon to Iroan. That was a total asspull.

[Narna]

Yes I did have a scum read on Iroanavp however as mentioned earlier it only made sense with a certain team composition.

I find it unlikely iroanavp is blue scum.

I am not required to be right as I don't have the benefit of knowing who is in what group. I hypothesize and guess. Hell most of this game is taken up with moderator not following normal rules (do not go down the fucking train...do not go down the fucking train...)

And yes I think you are the scummy one. I pushed CB for not wanting to lynch a confirmed guilty. Something she does more as scum than town and redirect. I even pointed out in the beginning that consistency. I am not required to be right I am required to have reasons which I do.

You on the other hand are sheepfest without an original bone in your ISO. Do you have one?

I don't think you understand what a confirmed guilty is. You are not required to be right, but objectively speaking all you've done is try to lead town in the wrong direction. There are bigger fish to fry in Thor and Hebi, but your play undeniably

looks

anti-town this game.

I wanted to lynch ccc over hc d1, but given scum has been lynched 5 days in a row though follow the guilty, I'm cool with being a lil sheep baaa.

I don't even get how you made the connection of ccc is a counterwagon to Iroan. That was a total asspull.

Because it is the literal definition of counter wagon.

1) A Wagon starts on a player.
2) Someone suggests wagoning someone else.
3) that someone else gets votes.

That makes it a counter wagon. What matters is determining the motivation of the counter wagon. I think that Iroanavp was likely just playing dumb.

Ccc contradicted himself d1 and had a guilty. That's no counter wagon m8.

[Narna]

They tried to claim that "The more they derped, the longer I stayed alive" or something.

VOTE: MathBlade

Yes because I keep going through this vicious cycle. At night I reread things and think you are town and scum which makes no sense. So if I am wrong about your claim I am derping. A power role under suspicion of the Math tunnel won't be fucking NKd because it is under suspicion.

Ergo if I am derping you won't die because no one believes me.

And as I said I want to die so voting me is dumb. You know this.

You even find yourself trying to justify your anti-town existence in an effort to buddy with your hood and "scumread", cute.

[Narna]

Again CCC did not have a guilty. Look at how many town roles have had guns that have flipped and argue that is a guilty.

That is incorrect. A gunsmith is for innocents always.

They really blatantly contradicted themselves d1. Sure it wasn't a complete guilty, but it added to the case from d1. It goes without saying, but that is from before any Iroan shenanigans from d2.

[Narna]

No such thing as a half guilty. That is just a scumread.

The takeaway is that the CCC push was from d1, not a random counterwagon to Iroan from d2 like you claimed it was. Even before the flip you can see this, but you chose to ignore it and defend CCC based on the flimsy reasoning anyway.

There be scums in that Shaziro hood with KlingonCelt ^^ That be the proof yo.

My existence is antitown but my play is not. You slipped.

No I didn't?

[Narna]

Again. Defined counter wagon. Repeating the same shit doesn't make it true.

Yep. You did. Mislynch me and the slip will be painfully clear.

Shaz was very obviously talking about your hood, and I was very obviously judging off of that. Did your confbias whisper to you that I'm on a team with someone (Shaz) in your hood?

My guess, actually, is that I wasn't killed last night because Math wanted Skelda dead, and knew that I wouldn't be able to Follow until tomorrow night. I doubt I'll live through tomorrow night to give y'all my result. I think Math is trying to get ignored by derping to fuck and declaring that they want to be lynched, so now that I've actually put a vote there, they're trying to dissuade me by saying "Oh but I want to be lynched so don't do that".

Skelda was more town than you in my eyes, so I can see that.

pedit: @boem There could be a scum doc or even/odd night vig. There's also the chance someone missed the memo of sending actions to mhsmith0.

[Narna]

VOTE: Thor665 let's hear something new Thor

New like what?
Here's a magic challenge for you - describe why I'm scum.
I'll wait.
Derp.

It's mostly that your claim is shitty. N2 and N4 look like bull, and saying the town is trash doesn't improve your claim. You didn't give us a list of your remaining actions, and then you come up with obvious information that was made available after you claimed. You also pretended your N4 gave us "valid" information on who shot Egg.

The only valid info is - Egg was a SK shot.
That's good info to have.
Proceed with the derp.

Even though it is entirely possible for a ninja to be maf.

I do like the Creature wagon though. He called me out for staying under the radar and lurking even though he's been doing it harder. Boring going along with it doesn't really mean much considering we're very likely looking for blue scum at the moment.

Fine with lynching Thor cause the counterwagons popping up are pretty interesting but disappointed that people keep saying "we'll lynch hebi tomorrow" or "let the vig get hebi" and she's still here.

You're fine with lynching Thor because his counterwagons are interesting?

[Narna]

I'm afraid there could be a maf watcher so we should keep it a little vague. Vigging Hebi is still cool in my book as well as Gollum.

You're fine with lynching Thor because his counterwagons are interesting?

Yep. If he flips scum, people who were starting counterwagons to save him will be on my radar.

I see you.

@Thor how do you propose dgb blocked people who visited her n2 as a goon?

[Narna]

I don't believe he said that, Rach made a connection that wasn't there.

[Narna]

What do you find suspicious about me a50?

[Narna]

I'm phone posting, sorry for the lack of quoting. Townblock says they would be down to policy iroan in #150, but defends iroan's meta as null in his next posts. The defense makes #150 look a lot like day1 scrum banter aimed at his teammate.

I feel like thor would be the "info" lynch. What makes you say creature gives more vedith?

Pedit: I'm working, so I'll get to all of those posts after vedith slowly/after work.

[Narna]

Narna and Almost 50 certainly aligned

I'm super cool with being aligned with mr.no gun who makes posts like #5158

So it's not that I'm confirmed town, like you said, but rather that my actions were not particularly helpful.
Because, y'know, as scum I would intentionally lie in a ROLE MADNESS game about who I targeted?
Really?
There's a REASON I'm saying town is playing trash.
Note Creature's quote below.

Ccc did the useless info thing as well. I'm surprised that flipped scum!!

You didn't give us a list of your remaining actions

, and then you come up with obvious information that was made available after you claimed.

You are correct - I consider that a pro-town move, if I'm scum, it won't matter what I say, if I'm town I deny scum info

It's not that you didn't claim the actions, I wouldn't have either. The point is that you brought no new info to the table, and quoting half a sentence to frame a point doesn't do much for me.

Want to make a bet on that one?
No Red scum flipped Ninja.
It appears to be the stance, since I was counter to Red twice, that I am Blue - so that means either I announced the Blue Ninja that no one knew existed - or I am town theorizing (with pretty clear evidence) that there is an SK, and, ergo, he's ninja because role madness.
Don't derp.

Or there isn't a ninja?

I propose that there was a rolestopper or that she was jailed (or aliened per the wiki).
Wow - that was a super hard hurdle to leap.

Why are you even asking me this question? We know for a fact it happened, unless your theory is everyone else who said it happened to them is also scumbuddies with me, so at that stage why am I the one needing to justify it?

Honestly, I don't remember anyone else claiming to be rb'd who targeted dgb n2.

Why did you want to know if someone targeted CB n5 anyway? I see a scum motivation to do that moreso than a town one.

We are town. Why would anyone want to lynch us?

[Narna]

Actually, I need to apologize to Narna.
For some reason I transformed CB into Creature in my head - I've been dealing with that Creature thing so long that I overreacted, I'm sorry.
Yes, I did target CB.
The thing is - it was a useless power that I misunderstood.

I disagree with you that even with the full understanding of the power that it was a more useful bit of info to scum than to town, because in this setup I submit it is utterly useless info until maybe lylo. But I will also point out that CB didn't die, and wasn't blocked, so that kind of leaves me telling the truth as scum that I targeted him with a useless power.

The other people I mentioned have been consistently making stuff up, and I am not sorry for calling them out, and frankly Narna reversing from me being 'confirmed scum' to a position of 'I don't like his claim' does indeed deserve a bit of face smacking, but the exact response here was unwarranted and over the top. My apologies again.

CB did die n5...

I never said you were confirmed scum.

Can someone point me in the direction of someone else failing when they targeted dgb n2? Something tells me Thor isn't going to.

[Narna]

How about we make a deal if the vig does NOT shoot Gollum tonight we lynch him tomorrow ?

I could go for that

I'd have to find the vig first :/ But they are being dumb if they don't shoot Gollum.

And if he flips scum then boom Almost and other people diverting attention from him jump up on my radar.

I swear Narna based on VCAs alone is so damned ly scum and I am still waiting on a reason they are townread.

That and almost50. Dear Lord.

There goes Math pushing his shady narrative. I'm pretty sure Boem and Rach are the only people who said they might be townreading me, and they gave reasons. A50 is also looking pretty townie.

[Narna]

This got completely ignored, so I'll float it again with quotes.

are we policying iraon? Im down
-Dwlee

*Parama and Elyse vote Iroan*

not sure if calling posts scum aligned is really alignment indicative unless ira doesnt do it as town, the other evidence I feel is meh
-Dwlee
pedit "no one is bothered by it" HEH

And Townblock 180's immediately. Now why would blue scum behave like this? My guess is Iroan is on his team, and this is admittedly weaker, but a red neo did flip. Neo makes way more sense in a role madness game for scum, and town already had a vanilla cop flip.

[Narna]

*Neapolitan

[Narna]

I'll switch over to math if someone points out people other than Thor who claimed that their action failed when targeting dgb n2. This was apparently a thing, and I don't remember it.

[Narna]

Those ring bells, thank you VOTE: Mathblade

I still think Thor and Hebi/Basic should take priority for power roles/vigging over Gollum, but it's not a big deal.

[Narna]

Those ring bells, thank you VOTE: Mathblade

I still think Thor and Hebi/Basic should take priority for power roles/vigging over Gollum, but it's not a big deal.

That's not even a reason to vote Mathblade, very fake and scum-aligned effort to get someone else to initiate you joining a terrible wagon...

And just when it was said before that vigilantes could have run out of shots... Probably they won't die conveniently!

I've thrown tons of shade Math's way this phase, and agreed with a specific post from A50 all about Math. If you really need me to repeat myself, they hard protected blue scum and pushed scumreads on townies until they died. Given the likely state of the red mafia, I think it's a fine time to go after someone I've thought was blue scum.

We don't know that for sure, but Thor and Basic are still good lynches.

Do the masons/Shazario think Math has a good claim?

[Narna]

This got completely ignored, so I'll float it again with quotes.

are we policying iraon? Im down
-Dwlee

*Parama and Elyse vote Iroan*

not sure if calling posts scum aligned is really alignment indicative unless ira doesnt do it as town, the other evidence I feel is meh
-Dwlee
pedit "no one is bothered by it" HEH

And Townblock 180's immediately. Now why would blue scum behave like this? My guess is Iroan is on his team, and this is admittedly weaker, but a red neo did flip. Neo makes way more sense in a role madness game for scum, and town already had a vanilla cop flip.

What? I'm town-aligned.

Dwlee always just tries to lynch me because he doesn't like me, and it's not a change of opinion anyway because saying you want to policy lynch someone doesn't preclude having a read on them. This is really only a reason why TownBlock was scum-aligned...

Neapolitan makes more sense as a town-aligned role because there are almost zero VT in this game... The one that flipped was basically goon.

I also just considered the synergy between Skelda's vanilla cop and the neapolitan result on dgb. Time to backpedal.

[Narna]

I also just considered the synergy between Skelda's vanilla cop and the neapolitan result on dgb. Time to backpedal.

err... i don't understand this one. care to explain, Narna?

If someone has a vanilla cop inno, it would be contradicted by a neapolitan, thus finding a guilty.

[Narna]

Lol I am being targeted because of the claim and because I actually am not derping and think Thor is town.

If I die Thor gets time.

I reach L-1 Rach can claim and we test Shaziro. My lynch should help Rach put it together. Remember I want to die

Who is targeting you for your claim?

Don't burn us with fire please master.

just realized that i'm mixing you up with hebichan and you posted despite being replaced

still a decent firewood

Basic replaced Hebi. I'm pretty sure Gollum is ours.

[Narna]

Gollum has been replaced?? By whom?!

PeregrineV -_-

Basic replaced Hebi. I'm pretty sure Gollum is ours.

needs signature of Rach mistress

Spoiler: Alive (17/42)

1. Creature
2. >>>PeregrineV<<<
   
3. hebichan
4. Narna
5. Varsoon
6. Vedith
   
7. RachMarie
8. iraonavp
9. Elyse
10. KlingonCelt
11. Lapsa
12. Boem_u_dusi
13. Almost50
    
14. (((Gollum)))
15. Thor665
16. Shaziro
17. Mathblade

[Narna]

Making a cool here open since I am at work til late.

VOTE: Accountant

Because Pi is favorite number and you are third in the voting list and I can't vote

First things first.

I am town.

Nachos are awesome only for me.
Scum be afraid of my nacho cheese.
Apple a day .....
This makes sure the <redacted> are not lead astray.
If y'all can't figure it out after spilling my guts
Then the rest of this town is fucking nuts.

Gotta go.

"people are targeting me for my claim"
yeah who?
"Well let me just soft harder to clear it up for people."


Lapsa got me good.

[Narna]

Rach ....All I do at night is eat nachos.

Narna be scum for realizing what I am softing yet still votes me.
Almost 50 be scum for their illogical argument.

Nothing has changed.

I could just simply not believe you. You're framing the argument around your crumbs when no one was going after your claim. Also, if you are what I glean from your posts, I don't see how Rach would have been confused about it.

Or... I mean.. what exactly leads you to specify DOCTOR here??

neither Skelda nor serra looks like vighits

Huh?

I think he is saying that the vig kills look like they're missing. Skelda and Serra were two of the most obvtown players in the game. Both maf roleblockers are dead, so if their kill were missing, a scum doc could have been the cause.

pedit: rip Math wagon, VOTE: Basic

Yeah, how scummy of me to not die when *everyone* wanted me Vigged.

What?

The derp is growing in this game, I swear.

I'm saying you might've been saved by a mafia doc.

I would expect one false clear in a game this large and since red scum hasn't had a doc flip, blue scum might.

Do you really think that blue team would have a doc but red team would not? is that kind of unfair to red team? What role that flipped do you think would balance a blue team doc?

I doubt there are any more reds left which is part of the reason why we went down from 4 to 2 kills last night.

The amount of players on each faction could be used to compensate for one team having a doc. It's premature to assume there isn't one, especially with consistant 4kill nights.

[Narna]

@Narna

so you are thinking 5 red , 4 blue with doc as one of the 4, and 1 SK?

Before I thought too hard about this post I would have agreed, but I'm thinking it's 6 red scum with 4/5 blue having a doc and/or ninja. Dgb fliped goon in a role madness game. That could mean "extra player for balance".
Night 3 is so easily explained as
Seraphim [2-Shot Tracker] [Killed Night 3] -shot by blue (he hammered townblock)
amalgam [Mason/Neighbor] [Killed Night 3] -shot by red, obvious scumshot on a mason
long_island_medium [Backup Vigilante] [Killed Night 3] -Vigged, lmao

I just don't see an sk making any of these shots, maybe long island if they planned to go for the played out "I'm a vig" claim. Ultimately, I don't want to rule out things based on role spec, especially without a hard reason to do so, but you asked.

[Narna]

ehh I could see an sk shooting a mason actually, but then a scum kill disappears because long island was not a mafia kill.

[Narna]

Basic replaced Hebi. I'm pretty sure Gollum is ours.

"Ours?"

I thought Lapsa was saying Gollum has been replaced, and my response was that he was "ours" or town's problem/hasn't been replaced.

For the next neighborhood post Klingon, mine is named "Southern Marshes"

[Narna]

Where are Vedith and pV? These players are scummy as fuck, and should feel the need to contribute if they are town.

[Narna]

But my point is, that should verify that yes, I -am- a follower and I -am- getting the results the way I've said I'm getting them. So Math should chill the fuck out about it. Correct?

...

This series of quotes is me pointing out that yes, my role works exactly as I said it does because a flipped Town Follower got the same kind of results I did. So the argument that I'm actually some different role and I'm lying is dumb as hell and should cease. Then again, this does require you to admit that you're wrong, so I'm sure I'll get a lovely response as to why this can't be the case, containing a "no, I'm town" for good measure, because for some reason you seem to think that does -anything-.

I can verify that too Shaz. Skybird told me that they, "saw Egg take a role block action" on n2. However she told me that during n4. I missed d5 and already ruled out Math's role spec argument, so I forgot to back you up until now. It doesn't mean that you can't be scum-

aligned

, but the follower mechanics seem legit.

Very scum-aligned!

And he moves to Basic wagon with Mathblade too with ambiguous stated motivation... I'm sure he'll argue that he thought they were scum-aligned from different factions.

I'm pretty sure everyone is scumreading the Basic slot, and bussing is a thing. Hebi was one of those players who scumslipped that you were talking about. I think that Math and Basic are the two most likely candidates for mafia at this point, regardless of red/blue/sk alignment guessing.

[Narna]

The wagon on me is dying because I'm basically confirmed not red scum due to double counters, and Narna is presenting the best bluse scum argument which is a bit like a drunk person with a herring trying to carve their initials in a tree. Amusing to watch, but not very functional.

You talk a lot of trash for someone who supposedly misunderstands their role and mixes up player names.

Sort the shit out of Iroan though friend, please.

[Narna]

How are you doing on Thor's made up claim that everyone who targeted DGB got blocked?

The fact that it happened is what makes it convenient to claim. Sue me for wanting to compare when people claimed they were role blocked with when you did.

[Narna]

From town to scum, top to bottom:

Town:

Boem_u_dusi - Bussing god, caught both scum teams' roleblocker on n1
Almost50 - No gun mainly, but I've agreed with a lot of their posts, even the sheepier ones before the gs clear.

D1 Masons, rip Analgam:

Rach
Klingon

Townlean:

Varsoon - premature claim that checks out plus his info helped with lynching obvscum in dgb and voted Math today
Null:
Lapsa - It doesn't look like there was a missing kill from n2, so I kind of believe him for now. He's one of the few players I see scumhunting. Believing Boring so readily was a little odd, but I'm still town reading Boem who did the same.
Elyse -possible sleeper scum, but they're still giving off townvibes in their posts.
Shazario -Victim of a lot of Mathblade's theories, which means town this game
Gollum - I lightweight think Hebi was replaced before him for a reason (probable town, bad reasoning, but the gut wants it).
PV -I wish he would post more, he's fun.
Vedith - Skybird would have likely wanted this dead for not being scumread herself despite Vedith doing so as town, very low input on the main thread. Reminder, Skybird did not look very pro-town in thread.
Iroan - I really want to scumread this and drop the derptown bit, but my gut is in the way. They have toned themselves down a lot from d1/2, I'm not sure what to make of it.

Scum:

Thor - In CB's terms "fluff claim" but I agree with some of what they're saying about Creature contributing and standing for nothing.
Creature - I think one of Thor/Creature is scum. Creature has said fuck all last phase or this one. I'll give rage the benefit of the doubt for now.
Basic - neighbor/citizen claim, no scumhunting, it's mostly those two things, but some of their votes pinged me. "Anything but the dumb Parama wagon" *votes v11* is a notable one.
Mathblade - Hard defended blue scum and pushed townies until they died. It seems slightly too obvious and A50 bailed, so I'm unsure on the slot. These reads are cimminal though

Spoiler:

I think the remaining Blue scum are

Narna, Boem, and Skelda

.

I think the remaining Red scum is Hebichan or Shaziro or in third Thor.

[Narna]

I don't know, his ISO looks okayish to me especially compared to Gollum and PeregrineV.

Can we lynch this? Lapsa isn't aiming to stay under the radar, Narna is.

VOTE: Narna

Narna
PeregrineV
serrapaladin
Thor665
Vedith

Their lurking isn't usual.

What Rach said, plus I had more posts than Creature when he made these.

Believing Boring so readily was a little odd, but I'm still town reading Boem who did the same.

I was thinking you hadn't realized. You got me good again you.

rofl

check the votes - it was twilight

[Narna]

ebwop:

rofl

check the votes - it was twilight

I was thinking you hadn't realized. You got me again you.

[Narna]

umm narna you know that Basic replaced Hebi right. and was not in the game during the time Parama and Vall were in the game.

Gollum has done f*** all during the game other than a veiled claim as miller and his pred did squat but flake out.


I agree those reads from Math totally suck. Only one I agree on of Maths reads there is Hebi now basic.

My read on Basic's slot incorporates what Hebi said. That is fair.

I'm thinking Pv and Gollum would play like this regardless of alignment. I still don't want Gollum anywhere near lylo, but I'm pretty comfortable with my scumreads at the moment.

[Narna]

ebwop:

rofl

check the votes - it was twilight

I was thinking you hadn't realized. You got me again you.

oh come on. it's stupid beyond the limits:

unlike three night actions - haven't seen that one yet

I would argue me that thinking you thought Pv was a Gollum replacement stretches stupidity even further.

[Narna]

The assumes setup spec and all factions have the same thing. I would go after the more concrete rather than assumed wouldn't you?

You've been a constant stream of role spec arguments this entire game. Why do you say this now?

I'm thinking math or vedith today.

[Narna]

Notice how Gollum hunts the PR Roles.

Oh Shaziro is town by the way.

I think the remaining Blue scum are Narna,

Boem

, and

Skelda

.

You did the very same thing, except you clearly read the thread. Now this is a reason to go after Gollum? Math contradicted his own play twice this phase already. This is scum. VOTE: Mathblade

Shaz, is Math conftown for you?

[Narna]

Math's Gollum push was opportunistic as fuck.

Narna still scum for saying I can't change my mind.

I do setup spec and reads. Not only spec.

They don't even address the going for PR's contradiction. Rope, rope, roperoperope.

[Narna]

Back to the VOTE: CCC train. You guys should have led with the song.

Here is my condensed read on today so far. I agree iraon is dumbtown. I have been agreeing with what Skelda has been saying today, and I'm going to need one of the few scumreading him to point out what is suspicious about him. Bacade is a good vig target. Methblade's hard tunnel is a little distracting. I get it, iraon lied. I disagree with gdb's gambit as the more likely result is that he gets lynched off before getting shot for having a weak and unprovable fakeclaim.

@Parama I corrected myself after the slip because gdb was actually saying Long Island is scum and that hc is on the other scumteam from him. I still find that this is one of the most forced reasons to vote someone in this game and don't like the post at all.

Spoiler:

town gives way less fucks about how they look than scum do

I totally agree and this does NOT apply to HC

I think she's trying to look town so bad that everything comes out scum. Nothing is coming out looking townie. But it is her intent.

I feel like this post doesn't bring anything new, so I'll throw a bone at the people gambling against me and saying I have a "dark aura". Why was I so scummy yesterday?

Coming off then on the CCC wagon. (This needs to be brought in combination with another post...Please wait)

I never went "off" the ccc wagon. That was my first post of the phase you knock. This is so contrived.

I could go for iroan, but Math is the scum guy.

[Narna]

I think I kinda want to flip Elyse instead of Gollum.
Because I look at the Gollum wagon and see a bunch of my town reads there, plus Elyse.
I recall Elyse talking crazy a few phases ago.
I also figure, regardless of Gollum's alignment, scum is going to be on him like white on rice because there's zero reason not to be - so there ought to be a red, blue, or SK on that wagon at this stage.

Hurm.

I can get behind this. I don't like how Elyse has just coasted on the Gollum vote this phase. Does Math's reactive play seem scummy to you?

@Rach - I really don't see the Lapsa + Creature thing you're selling, there's a reason I kind of stopped pushing on Lapsa as I started to suss Creature. The way they interplayed seems too silly and ballsy for scum to me (dash of salt is Lapsa intentionally(?) plays derpy so maybe that is exactly the ploy he'd try, but...Ockham sez)

I could maybe see Lapsa as SK or something, but he seems an unlikely bluescum. So beyond theory redscum six part, I'm not feeling it really.
You, conversely, are acting like they're very connected - what am I missing there?
Also, I am really creeped out that you are literally the only player in this game whose opinion I even want to hear on the matter. Strange bedfellows in this one. Then again, you saw Creature too, which was sexy.

This is probably a valid day to sort Gollum, I agree, really I need to get over my hatred of the game and do some VCA for myself, I'm pretty sure we can spot out a few more iffy voters.

Why did you say you only care about Rach's opinion here? Rach was the only one to claim Lapsa x Creature was a thing. No one else was even saying anything about it. I'm townreading you due to Creature, but this post looks like a hardcore buddying attempt.

Math, you are being pretty reactive of late - like you're calling out the people voting for you, it's exactly your wagon voters. I mean, I can get Gollum - lurksack, okay, potential scum, makes sense.
What's the Narna boggle though? She hasn't filled me with sunshine and buttercups, but she also doesn't seem like a top three flip to make happen to me.

Already explained why and Narna's explanation wasn't one. That CCC lynch happened so damn fast.

Agreed with Thor and Rach on 5

I had a legitimate reason to vote CCC both times, but unfortunately my explanation just wasn't one, sad. If you're town, you have to realize that you're just completely guessing here. The lynch was fast because CCC was obvscum ("I gs'd Serra, the claimed VT has no gun"), and at least two of his teammates voted him.

[Narna]

I'm currently feeling Math, Elyse, Iroan in that order.

It's odd that Boem has made it to d8. It's even more strange given that scum has been killing masons instead despite Boem claiming to be watching one of them. It lends credibility to the ninja's existence and/or the bussing Boem theory. I'm leaning ninja for now.

Boem had a strong scum read on us but waited to vote us until more votes were on us? This guy is scum.

I'm townreading you, but on that same note. You waited to contribute at any capacity until a wagon formed on you. Why?

you do realize the only reason I am still alive is because boem is watching me every night and they have to take him out first

and yet you think he is scum

So do you not believe in the ninja?

[Narna]

Why do we have to have a ninja? Why can't Boem just be scum?

Thor claimed joat, and that he watched Egg the night he died but saw no one.

[Narna]

VOTE: Rachmarie

[Narna]

The third mason is like a unicorn.

[Narna]

not real

[Narna]

I'm just fucking with you

VOTE: Mathblade

pedit: lies, this game is sickk.

[Narna]

join the Math wagon Boem. It's fun, we've got beer and speed.

[Narna]

VOTE: Iroanavp

[Narna]

VOTE: Iroanavp

VOTE: Iraonavp

stupid

[Narna]

A50 hammers Gollum right when his Iraon wagon starts picking up steam, and tells us to lynch Iraon tomorrow if he dies.

Forget the gs clear, lynch a50 and Iraon moving forward 100%

[Narna]

A50 hammers Gollum right when his Iraon wagon starts picking up steam, and tells us to lynch Iraon tomorrow if he dies.

Forget the gs clear, lynch a50 and Iraon moving forward 100%

are you claiming scum too or just being a main character in Beavis and Butt-head?

Gollum has made mostly valid points all phase. Meanwhile, you just lynched a townread over your scumread for seemingly no reason other than "muh Rach". This is suspicious behavior almost regardless of Gollum's flip (unless he flips sk of course).

[Narna]

Man scrum imploded harder than they did in homestuck.

[Narna]

A50, the implication was that your miller logic falls flat when you consider that Miller can be in a game without a cop. The backup vig when we don't have one already sets a precedent for meaningless roles.

Intent to vote iraon, but I wanna talk a bit.

[Narna]

A50, the implication was that your miller logic falls flat when you consider that Miller can be in a game without a cop. The backup vig when we don't have one already sets a precedent for meaningless roles.

Intent to vote iraon, but I wanna talk a bit.

*the implication was that it wasn't a reason. The rest is the explanation.

[Narna]

So.. who are we mislynching today? Obviously not iraonavp bc he IS Blue Mafia, but the town probably wants to listen to some BS to satisfy someone's curiosity or paranoia.

This is a lame attempt to accrue towncred for his read despite playing a heavy part in the mislynch.

The backup vig when we don't have one already sets a precedent for meaningless roles.

I don't see where this "we don't have a vig" argument. Comes from. If it's based on the already flipped roles, we don't have a PGO either, so where did the 4th kill come from? In my mind: 4 kills at one night = Red + Blue + SK + Vig. The fact that we didn't have our Vig flipping yet is AWESOME, as we do have some extra power in addition to our lynch. I will only accept there's no Vig (or no SK for that matter) when the game is over and we see everyone's role, AND know where the extra kills originated from.

Vig or not, miller can still exist in a game without cops. You lynched a townread based on weak role spec on day 8. You then went on to say that Gollum was "95% NOT flipping green" like you were ok with the lynch. And now you're calling the lynch bs, flip flop.

[Narna]

VOTE: Iraonavp
a50 for sk

Elyse or Lapsa for Iraonavp's buddy. Maybe Math, but I doubt he's getting lynched ever.

pedit: no u

[Narna]

Also a50 completely ignores me here

This got completely ignored, so I'll float it again with quotes.

are we policying iraon? Im down
-Dwlee

*Parama and Elyse vote Iroan*

not sure if calling posts scum aligned is really alignment indicative unless ira doesnt do it as town, the other evidence I feel is meh
-Dwlee
pedit "no one is bothered by it" HEH

And Townblock 180's immediately. Now why would blue scum behave like this? My guess is Iroan is on his team, and this is admittedly weaker, but a red neo did flip. Neo makes way more sense in a role madness game for scum, and town already had a vanilla cop flip.

and later makes the same exact Neo role spec argument once he gives up on Math. Why would town ignore me when I give a reason for lynching someone else that he agrees with when the wagon he was pushing stalled?

[Narna]

Day 7 has juicy votals, be sure to look at them

MathBlade (5): Shaziro, Almost50, Gollum, Lapsa, Narna
Creature (4): RachMarie, Thor665, PeregrineV, Vedith
Thor665 (3): iraonavp, Boem_u_dusi, Creature
Gollum (2): Klingoncelt, Varsoon
Basic (2): Elyse, MathBlade

Not Voting (1): Basic
Now where do you place your vote if all 3 of your teammates are on their own wagon?? My money is on Creature or Basic.

Basic (9): Elyse, MathBlade, Almost50, Narna, Boem_u_dusi, Varsoon, klingoncelt, lapsa, iraonavp LYNCH!
Creature (5): RachMarie, Thor665, PeregrineV, Vedith, Shaziro
Thor665 (2): Creature
MathBlade (1): Gollum

Not Voting (1): Basic
Blue scum votes as a group all phase, and they follow onto Elyse and Math while Creature wasn't posting.

[Narna]

Honestly, a50 could be a blue doc, or on a team with Lapsa who "gs" cleared him. A50's hammer as his Iraon wagon starts picking up would make a lot of sense from blue. This is of course assuming Iraon flipsblue.

[Narna]

Rach isn't dead still. Someone must be enjoying the protection they get from her during the day to leave conftown up on d9 with the game probably being poe'able at this point.

[Narna]

Boem on not joining the not so hot Math wagon

[Narna]

Honestly, a50 could be a blue doc, or on a team with Lapsa who "gs" cleared him. A50's hammer as his Iraon wagon starts picking up would make a lot of sense from blue. This is of course assuming Iraon flipsblue.

check my #5926

a50 has no gun

docs don't have guns, or you could be blue lying. This is probably moot considering a50 is sk.

[Narna]

Quit trolling me, I've got shade to throw Math's way.

[Narna]

Quit trolling me, I've got shade to throw Math's way.

can i help you?

Yee, just iso and ctrlF "Math" then twist things and toss that shade.

They tried to claim that "The more they derped, the longer I stayed alive" or something.

VOTE: MathBlade

Oy vey, why did you let Shaz die?

[Narna]

Mod: What result would a gunsmith get if targeting a joat with both a doctor and a gunsmith? If that was town? Scum?

docs don't have guns

err... what da fuck?

i'm slow. naively thought it's a50 we are discussing

A regular scum doc wouldn't have a gun. I don't see why you're bringing up a joat with a gun ability. I'm also not so sure about this discussing thing. You responded to me by repeating that a50 doesn't have a gun and "slipped".

[Narna]

This is how Iraon defends townies

I don't think it's scumslip, but Narna is otherwise suspicious.

This is how Iraon defends his scum buddy

What?

Why are you voting Mathblade over either of Thor665 or hebichan? Do you think they're town-aligned?

Keep in mind this is in response to the SK who had two posts with plenty of reasons to vote Math.

[Narna]

Varsoon seems like another SK kill

This seems more like spilled wine than a scumslip... It's not like a townie couldn't reasonably guess at the sk kill even though they don't know the scum kill.

[Narna]

What the ever loving fuck is this?

My nacho cheese is very confused.

No more red scum exist.

Still think scum is Narna.

Lapsa the red team was announced eliminated.

Narna I can't tell if your posts there are troll posts or meant for scum chat. But I still have a scum read on you.

VOTE: Narna

Town follow the Rach is never going to lynch you dude. I just hope the first point and the fact that Gollum was dead on about Boem will convince her.

Do you think I'm blue or sk?

[Narna]

But I'm a role modifier guys!

[Narna]

I killed Shaz because I can secretly read their pt.

Is this desperation?

[Narna]

No. But Shaziro and I talked through each follow.

It was a matter of when he was killed not if.

I was going to make a post about not believing a word you say about that hood with Shaz dead, but you're saying Shaz whiffed every track with you as the consultant? I can't say I'm surprised there. I'm implying it's because you're scum, not because your reads have been off this game. if you flip town, this post may take on a new meaning.

[Narna]

I want to hear from PV and Elyse, and who they would like to lynch, before I get into voting. I also want to know Rach's thoughts going into the day.

[Narna]

There is one blue scum.

Pretty sure the SK is BP, and scum know who it is, and have shot them multiple times.

Why would scum do that when they are losing and need deaths?

[Narna]

This is how Iraon defends townies

I don't think it's scumslip, but Narna is otherwise suspicious.

This is how Iraon defends his scum buddy

What?

Why are you voting Mathblade over either of Thor665 or hebichan? Do you think they're town-aligned?

Keep in mind this is in response to the SK who had two posts with plenty of reasons to vote Math.

irao was BLUE though, wheile Thor was RED and Basic/hebi were TOWN.

VOTE: Narna

For clearly trying to mislead the Town through inaccurate claims. We are looking for a JOAT not a Doctor, and irao/Thor/Basic were of 3 different alignments.

Iraon is clearly defending Math in that second post. What is inaccurate there? If you really think we are looking for a joat, why aren't you going after the claimed joat like you did with Iraon's Neo after the red neo flip?

[Narna]

PeregrineV -- Narna is being sarcastic about my nacho cheese.

Math gets it. I am not a role modifier. I don't believe someone who has a modifier for a role would push based on normalcy like this.

The Follower is an informative role that can target a player at Night and learn what form of action they took that Night (investigation, protection, killing, etc), but not who they targeted.

Neopolitan is NOT a form.

Definition of Normal is all roles follow the wiki.
If this does not follow the wiki it is not normal.

Ergo if Shaziro is town follower and telling the truth the game is bastard.

[Narna]

Math should've known the game was nonstandard the second he got his role pm.

[Narna]

The town has spoken. I'm cool with Lapsa being the lynch. I think PV should share any info he just hinted at having this late in the game.

[Narna]

Rach, neighbor doesn't really count for a role claim this game. Plus we already know I am a neighbor. PV still hasn't claimed.

[Narna]

Oh hey I suck at this game

hard unfos

Math. I'm softing for here Math, get your vote off of me please.

[Narna]

Oh! I misread that 2nd quote then.

Still, Math is not flipped, so you can't say this is how irao defended a scum buddy.

I'm going after the SK bc you are more dangerous now. No way Lapsa survives after you flip, and even if he doesn't get shot by the vig he is th clear designated lynch of tomorrow if things stay the way they are.

You on the other hand have been cruising, and -at one point- had me move you from a scumspect to semi-confirmed town. You're a very good manipulator.

Math is my townbuddy, he defended blue scum by targeting another blue scum d2.

If you misread the quote, what's the reason I'm scummy now then?

[Narna]

Only the enlightened shall know. You may keep your vote on me.

I plan to vote in a pool of Lapsa, Elyse, and a50. I want to hear from Elyse though.

@PV I must've misinterpreted this.

And Pere you are not confirmed town dude

Fortunately, all of my scumhunting will take my own role into account, so you can do what you need to, but you can save yourself a lot of time and trouble and work with me.

[Narna]

Oh! I misread that 2nd quote then.

Still, Math is not flipped, so you can't say this is how irao defended a scum buddy.

I'm going after the SK bc you are more dangerous now. No way Lapsa survives after you flip, and even if he doesn't get shot by the vig he is th clear designated lynch of tomorrow if things stay the way they are.

You on the other hand have been cruising, and -at one point- had me move you from a scumspect to semi-confirmed town. You're a very good manipulator.

Math is my townbuddy, he defended blue scum by targeting another blue scum d2.

If you misread the quote, what's the reason I'm scummy now then?

PoE. You or Elyse for the SK. Lapsa for the Blue JOAT.

Killing off blue drops the kill count to 1, and who the fuck cares about bp with no other killing actions left? If you think Lapsa is for sure blue, that would be better than taking the guess and possibly having 2 townies die tonight.

[Narna]

@Narna:

I admit it IS a gamble on my part. Worst case scenario: we mislynch, and end up with tow other townies dead. That leaves 2T+SK+Blue for D11, and lynching either the SK or the Blue Scum would result in a scum win. HOWEVER, NL or even mislynching leaves a window open for a town win through cross killing.

Best case scenario though: We lynch the SK and we lose one townie at night, so we are 5 on D11 with Lapsa the designated lynch for the town to win.

Alternatively, I could support the Lapsa lynch and we lose another Townie for the SK NK, and we are 5 on D11 but we're not too sure whom to lynch to win. Rach is most likely the NK for N10 in this case, and whoever the remaining 5 will be they will all be pointing fingers at one another.

That risk sounds very undesirable unless you're looking for another round of maf kills.

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

[Narna]

For blue joat and I'm trying to towntell by following the Rach.

[Narna]

[quote="In post 6048Narna claimed neighbor I think too. not sure if anything else real.[/quote]
Yeah I haven't claimed anything this game. Skybird claimed the neighbor bit for me.

[Narna]

Yeah I haven't claimed anything this game. Skybird claimed the neighbor bit for me.

Well, I'm not going to ask you to fully claim. What I am going to ask though is for you to confirm or deny having any unclaimed info (whether it be by virtue of your own role or conveyed to you through the neighbourhood) that may help limit our options for the SK.

Put another way, can you clear at least one person (other than Rach, obviously)?

Maybe?

Hi I need to read the last few phases comprehensively. I've been kind of just tagging along cause we've had so many guilties and expecting to die some night but it hasn't happened. So that's my fault.

I don't get what's going on with Narna/Math but hoping they'll be able to confirm each other. Rach still being alive either means she's going down the wrong path or scum/SK expect the other team to kill her.

I want to lynch Lapsa > PerV > A50 in that order.

Can someone explain why PerV isn't being considered? I may have missed that.

The game will end before we get to my 4th choice. I think it's odd that your contribution dropped off pretty hard once the game got to lower numbers and wagons started stalling. It's slightly more suspicious to me than PV's lurk. He played similarly as town in the last game I played with him, sadly.

[Narna]

2) Narna isn't softing anything for me I am only Macho.

I guess it was a bit delusional to think you had come up with nothing over 9 nights.

4) Macho is a standard role modifier. Why would I think anything else?

It's a modifier and not a standard role.

[Narna]

"This role modifier is considered Normal on mafiascum.net."
"Categories: Role ModifiersNormal modifiers"

Yes I would still make that assertion. Nowhere does it say that it can be used as a role.

[Narna]

I think it's you according to the list, but I don't mind. The role is useless at this point and I doubt I would be a nk target.

Deputy/Neighbor

I was laying low in the first half of the game in an effort to outlive the cop. I gave up on that after Skelda died, and I didn't inherit the vanilla cop. I made some illogical leaps to peg Math as macho cop instead of macho neighbor.

[Narna]

Shos and Skybird were my neighbors.

[Narna]

I assumed there was no mod error. Either way the vt had already died, and I highly doubt anyone would fakeclaim vt after two scum already died doing it. I would have not used it anyway.

[Narna]

I messaged him just now, I didn't inherit it.

[Narna]

Given thatv we're 10 days in, it's more likely that I'm just a named townie.

[Narna]

Lynching me will cost town the game. I've helped push blue scum all game, and shared Skybird's scumread from my hood after her death. I could have just ignored it. Creature and Iraon were also trying to get me lynched all game.

Valhalla is pushing Town Block quite hard for bad play rather than scumtells. Oh he missed Long Island redacting the vt claim

and

forgot he roleblocked someone? I don't think either of those are alignment indicative unless you straight up don't believe Townblock to be a roleblocker.

Oh well, the lynch probably can't be switched to egg no matter what because Hebi and I are at the start of the wagon. I still subscribe to the idea that two town players would not have role blocked Valhalla n1, so it's not a bad lynch. The reasoning to switch off of Egg seems a little forced though.

This seems like scum-aligned with TownBlock, because he is overjustifying his position and conceding without a vote.

^Super obvious scum trying to throw town under the bus with his scumbuddy.

Can we lynch this? Lapsa isn't aiming to stay under the radar, Narna is.

VOTE: Narna

Protecting Lapsa and throwing shade on me.

[Narna]

*scumread on Vedith

[Narna]

I may have taken the shitposting too far, but Math is really committed to losing this game.

I still don't like how a50 is opting to lynch the sk which he's narrowed down to 2 (4 if you count the unlikely reads) suspects through poe over his 90% certain scumread. We go down to one kill a night if we kill either maf or sk, and we get two more lynches. We very likely won't get another lynch if we mess up here. Maybe I'm too tunneled on his Gollum hammer, but it looks like he's over hyping the sk threat on purpose.

[Narna]

Math, would you believe me and my inactive role (like yours) if I had spouted a stupid rhyme with deputy all game?

[Narna]

Lapsa explain it like I am a kindergartner. Why am I scum?

My role PM says town and I love breaking things down to their finer points and take your argument and figure out if you are SK or I have Blue and SK backwards or you are town.

What even links Lapsa to sk? He actively did jaot things.

[Narna]

Rach already knows I'm town.

Narna is a town read of mine because his game here is JUST LIKE THE ONE THAT JUST FINISHED

Homestuck uggh that game.

Has your read shifted since then? I even have a similar false role (strongman with no kill, deputy with no cop).

A50's claim is just as garbage as mine considering there is no evidence.

2 shot vig sounds make believe given pv's flips.

Lapsa is still blue joat.

I'll try harder when I get to my computer.

[Narna]

A50 just claimed sk. Don't do it. Aim for obv blue scum. A50 suggested against lapsa last phase and this one. No one but the sk should want that.

[Narna]

I misspoke on sk not wanting to lynch lapsa today anyway.

[Narna]

Lapsa should totally nark on who he shot at last night. He is trustworthy scum.

[Narna]

Official Vote Count Day 8 Final

Gollum (8): RachMarie, Varsoon, Elyse, Boem_u_dusi, MathBlade, Vedith, Lapsa, Almost50
iraonavp (3): Shaziro, Thor665, Narna
MathBlade (1): Gollum
Thor665 (1): iraonavp

Not Voting (1): PeregrineV

Official Vote Count Day 9 Final

iraonavp (6): Shaziro, Almost50, Elyse, Varsoon, MathBlade, Narna
PeregrineV (1): Lapsa

Not Voting (3): RachMarie, PeregrineV, iraonavp

Official Vote Count Day 10 Final

PeregrineV (4): Lapsa, MathBlade, Almost50, RachMarie
Lapsa (2): Narna, PeregrineV

Not Voting (1): Elyse

Lapsa looks like blue scum on d8 and d9. I'm super clean aside from the Math push which both Lapsa and a50 were pushing for as well.

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

We should have done this last phase. We will know for sure if blue is dead after.

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

I think he's blue scum and I'd rather go head to head with Almost knowing blue is dead first.

Why didn't you vote for the vig counterclaim last phase?

[Narna]

Spooky

[Narna]

Rach how long have you been townreading a50? It's silly that a day 1 mason claim made it to lylo. Not dying tonight makes sense because of the no-kill wine, but why did the sk prioritize the other masons and just stop killing them? If Rach was openly townreading a50 early, it would make sense to keep her around.

I have no abilities Elyse.

[Narna]

VOTE: Lapsa

I think he's blue scum and I'd rather go head to head with Almost knowing blue is dead first.

Why didn't you vote for the vig counterclaim last phase?

[Narna]

I think our sk is a ninja. I don't see thor covering for the sk with blue scum still up, and while he was under fire.

How do we feel about ninja strongman sks on this site?

[Narna]

I'm leaning A50 sk. Let's check out where he throws the game, regardless of alignment.

@Boem:

You'll have a tough night deciding who to watch. You've got Rach (confirmed), Math (Macho) or Shaziro (Follower) (I think that's it. Not sure if Varsoon still has shots of anything left).

VOTE: Gollum

Oh, and remember to lynch Irao next even if I'm gone (I don't expect to, but who knows? Maybe Gollum will flip SK, Irao blue, and they will panic over my unexpected resurge which surprised even me, and decide to take me out. Their loss though!)

He follows Lapsa (who he scumreads for the same rolespec reason as Iraon) onto Gollum while his wagon just gained 3 members in a page and had Math giving intent to hammer Iraon. He forced the mislynch. We wouldn't be in this position, an sk's wet dream, if a50 didn't force the Gollum mislynch or insisted we lynch the sk before Lapsa.

[Narna]

If a50 is town, he did Elyse's job for her.

[Narna]

This is how Iraon defends townies

I don't think it's scumslip, but Narna is otherwise suspicious.

This is how Iraon defends his scum buddy

What?

Why are you voting Mathblade over either of Thor665 or hebichan? Do you think they're town-aligned?

Keep in mind this is in response to the SK who had two posts with plenty of reasons to vote Math.

irao was BLUE though, wheile Thor was RED and Basic/hebi were TOWN.

VOTE: Narna

For clearly trying to mislead the Town through inaccurate claims. We are looking for a JOAT not a Doctor, and irao/Thor/Basic were of 3 different alignments.

yap, math is remaining serial killer

VOTE: MathBlade

even OMGUS'ing Narna

Grow up. Narna IS the SK, and -unless you're the Blue JOAT remaining- you need to vote WITH Math.

This was day 10. If anything, you "cleared" me last phase. Why are you bullshitting me?

[Narna]

I didn't want to unnecessarily rule out doc, and despite you saying this, I'm the one who actually tries to lynch the jaot not you. I was the only one to believe the miller claim. Being the deputy had a slight influence on that. Hell, miller doesn't fit in this setup either, but there it is.

[Narna]

For 9/11

VOTE: Elyse

[Narna]

UNVOTE:

going to work explaining later

[Narna]

I wanted to see a50 flail a bit, and wondered if he would bring up this post.

@Elyse:

What makes you think I'm a "doctor"?? Why not a VT? A non-consecutive nights hider/commuter? Or even -as Thor pointed out- the SK??
Also, you do realize Drixx (the flipped town doctor) was in my neighbourhood, right? So 2 doctors in the neighbourhood?

Or a doctor and a nurse of opposite alignments??

Or... I mean.. what exactly leads you to specify DOCTOR here??

Also, a scum doctor who was trying to take a bullet at night instead of the town doctor?? I mean, I did mention it in the hood and -for some odd reason- Drixx decided to put it out on air in the main thread that I told him I was going to try and get shot to save the town PRs including himself. That would work for scum if this was single ball, but to say that and then he outs it in multi-ball is .. erm.. inexplicable??!!

Now the thing that annoys me the most: You've now explicitly said that my case on Math does make sense, but you're adamant on pushing on Thor based on a weak theory of me-him being linked together?? You mean you want to go after a conditional lynch over one that you admit to be a "decent" one???

The bolded statement is really fishy. Nurse is clearly on his mind on d7.

But on second or third thought, a50 why are you trying to get shot to protect the outted doc as a nurse? That is erm.. Inexplicable.

[Narna]

N8 there's still a missing kill.. so if we go with Thor not shooting then Vig shor Blue, Blue shot Thor/Boem and SK killed the other. IF SK in Ninja they had no need to off Boem, so they killed Thor. But why did the SK kill Shaziro on N9 if that's the case??

The SK needed to kill people who confirmed they aren't the sk regardless of whether their role can catch them or not.

Let's see what Narna had to say aboth both Thor and Shaz:

In 3232 He had Shaz as a Town read, but stated "No reason to doubt the claim other than it possibly being a scum variant.", while Thor was null with no explanation.

Thor had replaced in and had not claimed at that point in time. Explain the relevancy of my Shaz read in regards to Thor in that quote.

In 5349 He had Shaz as a "Town Lean" (Victim of a lot of Mathblade's theories, which means town this game), while Thor was an explicit Scum read (along with Creature, Basic & Mathblade) = 4 suspects

ON D7 when everybody was assuming RED were gone and we only had ONE Blue and an Sk left.

Read my 5292 and reassert that everyone had ruled out a 6th red scum in Thor at that time. Iraon later agrees with the idea that a goon could mean an extra maf player

Posts 5956 & 5957 Clearly show he's looking specifically for BLUE as it looks like he had Thor pegged all along already,

Those were votals from d7, Thor was lynched d8, and I made that shitty vca on d9. Thor and red were already dead at that point. Yeah I was looking for blue there.

and in 5974 he;'s blaming Math for the Shaziro kill.

I'm going to repost that one. I want you to reread the entire post and ask yourself if I was sincere in my blaming of Math for the Shaz kill.

Now start with 5987 and subsequent posts and we find out the motive to off Math. Actually, TWO:
(1) Math is very suspicious of Narna, and..
(2) "Town follow the Rach is never going to lynch you dude." (directed @ Math)

(1) Math openly scumread me since d3, and thought I was blue scum. (2) I expressed that same concern the day before in 5954. What is my motivation for saying that as the SK if I plan on offing him? This is a null point, and the sk very likely would have had to shoot Math over you, me, and Elyse regardless of which of the three of us is sk.

Post 5990 explains why Shaz was killed BY THE STRONGMAN NINJA SK. It wasn't Shaz that worried Narna. It was Math, but as long as Shaziro lived Math's word about what was going on in the neighbourhood had substantial proof.

Why would I care about a hood comprised of a Macho vt and a follower as a ninja? And if the sk isn't a ninja, whoever is sk would want the follower dead. Shaz never hinted at following me specifically before his death.

Now ISO Narna and read the sequence of posts starting 6139 (

What even links Lapsa to sk?

He actively did jaot things.), 6224 (

Lapsa is still blue joat.

). 6227 (A50 just claimed sk.) & 3231 (I misspoke on sk not wanting to lynch lapsa today anyway.)

Math was using faulty logic to pin me as blue scum and Lapsa as sk. I didn't want to lose because someone thought a JOAT could also be the sk. I was hoping he'd reevaluate his read on me once he realized Lapsa was bluescum.

This has the impression Narna didn't want to lynch Lapsa in order to have him help in the NKs, but changed his mind when he thought he could pin SK on ME after he offs Math, but carry on with the ISO and you will find he's trying to decide which of myself or Elyse he should try to mislynch for the win.

I've read you as sk since your scummy Gollum hammer on d8. Math dies much later. You're reaching to claim I didn't actually want to lynch Lapsa. I told you and town multiple times to lynch him instead of guessing for the sk, and consistently voted him once I accepted that Math was likely town. Also Rach is town, so of course I'm deciding between you and Elyse.

In 6272 He says "I think our sk is a ninja. I don't see thor covering for the sk with blue scum still up, and while he was under fire." << THIS is how Narna knew Thor was scum, bc Narna is NOT Ninja.

You say earlier in this post that I didn't need to fear Shaz because I am a ninja. Now this is legit flailing.

Let's go back to 5978 In which he both claims I'm Lapsa's scumbuddy AND the SK (??!!!!)

Spoiler:

I was calling Math Iraon's scumbuddy. I was just throwing shade on you. You listed plenty of reasons to vote Math, and Iraon just asked you "Why?"

In sum, a VERY GOOD GAME BY NARNA. VERY GOOD, MATE.

<Oh, yeeeeaah>!! <Very GOOD>!!

VOTE: Narna

I think THIS is the way to go.

My responses are the all bold lines. Don't confuse a50's few bolded bits with mine.

[Narna]

Quit trolling me, I've got shade to throw Math's way.

can i help you?

Yee, just iso and ctrlF "Math" then twist things and toss that shade.

They tried to claim that "The more they derped, the longer I stayed alive" or something.

VOTE: MathBlade

Oy vey, why did you let Shaz die?