Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Boem_u_dusi]

@Almost50 I have trouble figuring out whether MathBlade is scum or an awful town. My biggest concern at the moment is that I have trouble with Thor's claim and his checks, I don't see him using a rolecop check on Valhalla N3 as town (lurkers in general are far better checks) and noone visiting Egg on N4 is also a fishy result. N2 no result on DGB also sounds convenient. His claim stinks.

If you think MathBlade is the way to go ... okay I guess.

[Almost50]

Actually, I think Math will flip Ninja, and thus will "partially" clear Thor (at least regarding that N4 result on Egg), though people may still argue it was bc Thor is Math's scum buddy that he claimed not seeing anyone that night.

If Math flips NOT Ninja though; THAT may implicate Thor, and especially so if Math was the SK (a less likely possibility in my book that them flipping blue scum, but a realistic possibility none-the-less).

The thing is Math is much more likely to wiggle themselves out from scummy situations than most other suspects. I have no reason to believe hebi, Creature, Thor, PV or even Vedith and Lapsa will live to end game if there's still multiple scum to catch. Mathblade might if we don't lynch them today. I think the Town Vig may have run out of shot already (that's as good a guess as their shot having been blocked last night, or as them having a sick sense of humour picking their targets with their kill actually going through and the SK/scum shot being blocked instead).

And Math is NOT a bad player I assure you. Mastin2's Gistou has just ended, and Mathblade was scum in a multi-ball multi-scum multi-town-factions game. Check their play to see how it is very likely for this to be their relevant scum game here.

Also, Rach was in Gistou and we both end-gamed, so she can choose to support my claim or refute it. KC subbed out early, so I'm not sure she would be willing to give us her own take on it.

[Almost50]

For instance, Math discredited Titus from the word go in Gistou, when Titus was obv!Town. The only difference is Titus died on N1 (it was an unfortunate Town Vig though), so that ended quickly.

And if you were really interested, check the Wulden PT to see Math knew exactly what they were doing, but were misleading town and survived 3 full days (got NK'd by the OTHER scum strongman on N3).

So, yeah.. this looks very much like scum!Mathblade to me.

[RachMarie]

hmmm

good points

[RachMarie]

And the red team is all gone now so that is not an option

What about the fact they keep pushing there is no way there is an SK thingy? A50 you think they might be an SK?

[Almost50]

@Rach:

As I said, that is not too far fetched a possibility either. Yes, Math could be the SK, but I'd give it a 60-40 in favour of them flipping Blue.

[Almost50]

And if you were really interested, check the Wulden PT to see Math knew exactly what they were doing, but were misleading town and survived 3 full days (got NK'd by the OTHER scum strongman on N3).

let me elaborate some more on this point. Math was NOT targeted by a Town Vig (although we had at least 2 active vigs every night), and was not lynched by town either. Why? because we kept getting confirmed guilties almost every night (just like it is the case here). The difference is there were far more killing roles in Gistou (and by that I do not mean 1-shot vigs.. I mean 3 scum factions that could kill every night and 3 town vigs that could also shoot each night (2 after Titus died).

So, my point is Math has survived long in this game bc there were others to lynch and/or investigate at night, plus their effective ways of manipulation that I would very much like to see put to an end.

[RachMarie]

A50 I gotta poke fun here at our modly dude for a moment

One of my most favorite posts on the unspoilered dead thread was by Luna

can we please not derail the discussion back on your balls again Wake.

At Wake sorry dude I could not resist But hey we WON so your death was not in vain.

[Narna]

I'll switch over to math if someone points out people other than Thor who claimed that their action failed when targeting dgb n2. This was apparently a thing, and I don't remember it.

[mhsmith0]

Basic replaces Hebichan effective immediately.

[mhsmith0]

Official Vote Count

7.02

MathBlade

(4): Shaziro, Almost50, Gollum, Lapsa

Thor665

(4): iraonavp, Narna, Boem_u_dusi, Creature

Creature

(4): RachMarie, Thor665, PeregrineV, Vedith

Gollum

(2): Klingoncelt, Varsoon

Basic

(2): Elyse, MathBlade

Not Voting

(1): Basic

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-09-14 23:00:00)

[Almost50]

I'll switch over to math if someone points out people other than Thor who claimed that their action failed when targeting dgb n2. This was apparently a thing, and I don't remember it.

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

I got an action failure last night when I investigated DGB to see if he had a gun.

...so there's that.

My action on DGB also failed so this is interesting to me. Is DGB maybe ascetic? I know she claimed to be 1-shot BP.

[Almost50]

There.. TWO others had failing actions on DGB that night.

[Almost50]

Oh, and Skelda already flipped Town, so not even the 0.01% of lying about it.

[Narna]

Those ring bells, thank you VOTE: Mathblade

I still think Thor and Hebi/Basic should take priority for power roles/vigging over Gollum, but it's not a big deal.

[Klingoncelt]

Mastin2's Gistou has just ended, and Mathblade was scum in a multi-ball multi-scum multi-town-factions game.

Also, Rach was in Gistou and we both end-gamed, so she can choose to support my claim or refute it. KC subbed out early, so I'm not sure she would be willing to give us her own take on it.

I'll abstain, thanks.


Right now I'm scumreading everyone because I'm sick. I should be feeling better before deadline.

[Boem_u_dusi]

Hebichan getting replaced greatly increases likelihood for that slot being scum.

[Shaziro]

Hebichan getting replaced greatly increases likelihood for that slot being scum.

How?

[Boem_u_dusi]

Hebichan getting replaced greatly increases likelihood for that slot being scum.

How?

I find that replacements are far more often scum than town.

[RachMarie]

As someone who often replaces in games I can tell you that replacing in is NAI. Most of the time I replaced into town slots very rarely has it been scum slots.

[Basic]

It seems rather pointless for me to argue that replacing is NAI.

I'm town ftr.

Will be reading when i can, as quick as i can, irl providing, unless there is something drastic right off the bat?

[RachMarie]

well there is a lot to catch up on, do know though that Kling and I are masons with the already flipped Amalgram.

This means we are confirmed town.

[Almost50]

Rach? What's taking you that long? Hop on Math if you please. Thank you.

[iraonavp]

The fact that Thor665 is flailing so hard from his very suspicious claim is obviously scum-aligned... He can't expect anyone to believe there is a ninja vigilante, just wants to yell as a last resort...

[iraonavp]

So...how am I confirmed scum to you, Iraon? I'm not just gonna let that slide by. I want you to explain that "confirmed".

Because you are actually rolecop who misunderstood follower, the moderator's response confirms this.

I don't want to argue like I know you want to spam and fill pages of anti-town-aligned drivel...