Shadowrun Mafia - Game Over

Frozen Angel · Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:13 pm

In post 2160, SooperDetective wrote:When did I say I wasn't okay with a D&D lynch?

its just the impression I got from the way you react to theories. your just to "there might be other possibilities" after all of them without taling about those possibilities which is hinting at ypu having preflip knowledge about the accused.

but its to foggy so I might not be able to explain how I felt about it in words.

Frozen Angel · Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:25 pm

In post 2163, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2101, SooperDetective wrote:
Could klingon try to participate more as well?

-S
I apologize to everyone. I had some issues the past 72 hours. I can be here more now.

I can say this with extreme confidence: ABR, Sooper, FA, and MathBlade are Town.

I'm interested to know more about your ABR and sooper reads

Frozen Angel · Sat Sep 24, 2016 11:35 pm

not framed with a framer

framed with two of the members of that adventure pt died to make him look really bad

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:27 am

Wait a minute you saw mathblade message from last night?

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:27 am

that was @kc

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:34 am

In post 2170, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:It developed in the middle of day 2 when I noticed he wasn't doing anything useful. I usually try to give PV space for at least a day because it's hard to read him with how little he usually posts. Plus ABR was a strong pusher of the wagon and we both think he's town. Later on, his OMGUS of ABR was even worse.

link to his omgus of ABR please

he had a pretty much convincing reasoning for scumreading ABR (which now its no more valid) but at that time it was reasonable to scumread him.

So your strongest scumread which is the core of your reads and the base for all your reads is mainly sheeping ABR

why do you both townread ABR?

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:39 am

In post 2170, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Also I don't think this is very clear.
Scum may not have even been trying to frame us. They may have just killed House for being a strong town player, and just got lucky now with how much suspicion it put on us. There doesn't have to be a PT spy <.<

A masonizer vanalizer Vig died right after replacing in over two people who cop checked and vigged scum and other players who are townreads mainly.

PT spy is just redicolous I agree.

its either you scum or a very closely looking scum who got that claim crumbs and/or killed him to frame you.

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:41 am

In post 2170, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Yes I know there has to be at least one town out of (PV, SC, McMenno), but I really have no clue who it is, they were all incredibly scummy.

Nope

Not appreciated

Not ok

get out of here or explain how they all are scummy in your eyes cause you know that sucks and you suck for scum reading all of them atm. unless your scum and your wasting my time here. why is randomidget obviously town?

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 3:50 am

In post 2173, Frozen Angel wrote:he had a pretty much convincing reasoning for scumreading ABR (which now its no more valid) but at that time it was reasonable to scumread him.

his reason was the timing of ABR exiting asteral (before that matrix vig claim) which was hinting he had preflip knowlegde

its not valid(or less scummy) now that we know the scum vig was a traitor so ABR couldn't know anything about matrix vig without guessing it anyway so Its proven he guessed there is pt a vig in the game not just using a mod provided data (unless mod told them their taritor is a vig - which will definitly surprise the shit out of me after the game cuase thats really abnormal)

but at that time PV had a decent reason for scum reading ABR

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:38 am

In post 2177, SooperDetective wrote:Everyone townreads jae and you wonder why I townread him?

is it bad that I care for your reasonings and reads?

You asked for my worldz read as well whcih i never answered , should I accuse you for cherry picking as well?

and why didn't I answer it? Cuase I really dont like to. I want that slot filled more than anything at this point and I want to see the incomer doing before discussing that slot.

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:43 am

In post 2177, SooperDetective wrote:I say 'there might be other possibilities' because you have those conspiracy theories but you always seem to
disregard the possibility that he just got killed because they wanted him dead because he's house, or because he was still a low activity slot that started to get active

I also mentioned a theory about framing mathblade

There is no preflip knowledge involved in that, there is an open mind involved in that. As much as i think d&d are scum, its not just because of the mission thing because its only a possibility, not a fact. Them making a bad case based on house's reads that nobody can confirm is a fact.

Ok ;

again No

Nope Nope Nope Nope

The bolded part is just bullshit , I don't even want to talk about Bullshit sorry.

I never disregarded any possibilities. Yes I do agree that I cant tell you 100% he died becuase of X, there is always a theory of Y that scum shooted randomly but disregarding the BOLD x which was "house was about to confirm a slot as town and he claimed that in that adventure pt" becuase Y might be the reason is just acting stupid. yes There is the chance they shot random or becuase of meta but thats Litterally Bullshit

Why do you think D&D is scum? I recall you were townreading them before today starts in mission pt (I might be wrong - need to double check) if its not becuase of anything according to night actions and what happeened on adventures?

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:46 am

AND I NEVER SAID ITS A FACT THAT D&D IS SCUM BECUASE OF THE FACT HOUSE IS DEAD.

I just said its a possibility which I now have a bad feeling about it. The fact your trying to assume I was tunnled in my analyzes is not sitting ok with me , its like you want us to lynch D&D and if they ever flipped you could blame our reasoning for that.

Off to eat something right now. will be back in like 20 or 30 min

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 4:48 am

That was just explaining my feelings again. Not something I have against you.

For all I know D&D might be scum or this whole delimma shit might be wrong. Its just I have a hard time assuming there is no scum in you and D&D

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:04 am

I know people understood the baby names thing and I was suspecting that but then why she claimed the message is going to another living player tonight and how she deduced it was to you (when it wasn't it was from you to me)

this is just confusing.

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:07 am

although the fact she still thinks Drixx was scum kill is screaming she is not getting guided - or she is acting dumb as scum her -

There is nothing in the message hinting You want to message it to someone else as she claimed it when day started.

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:13 am

In post 2187, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2184, Frozen Angel wrote:although the fact she still thinks Drixx was scum kill is screaming she is not getting guided - or she is acting dumb as scum her -

There is nothing in the message hinting You want to message it to someone else as she claimed it when day started.
Actually the only reason we know Drixx was the scum kill is if you believe Karnos.

Knowing Karnos scum I think the more likely answer is that Drixx was the kill that Karnos did. However Karnos was spilling wine the entire day.

what

Its obvious drixx was matrix vig shot of karnoos.

I was just saying the fact KC is clearing abr for messaging Drixx night 1 when the killer was a traitor means she is not getting guided.

but if its not as obvious as i was thinking then I might be wrong in assuming that

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:19 am

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 5:52 am

yep that was so obvious to me

I thought its to everyone as well

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 6:09 am

the only people in asteral was me , pv and abr
abr left during day 2 and came back last night
I left before last night and came back at start of today

I guess matrix was 3 initials with drixx who went in and noone exited there anytime -someone confirm this

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:15 pm

@Sooper It seems your not even reading anything about my theories but your accusing me of having a tunnelview

The point that I'm now at suggests trying to read why House died is just not an ok method atm cuase he crumbed his mason bullshit befor the night and he messaged ABR which litterally destroyed any kinds of methods to use his role for confimring anyone.

it still suggests scum was in D&D adventure or was listening to our thoughts in our adventure or was guessing them , so they killed house after PV death to frame D&D

you didn't answer this : Why D&D is scum in your opinion? what they dodged and what about them is not townish?

and asking you about your string townread on jae was not cherry picking. I was trying to start a converstion to test:

- your strongest town read
- my read on jae

Frozen Angel · Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:16 pm

In post 2198, Bold Vote Scientist wrote:Deadline is frozen

<.< I deny this. I am no kind of deadline or anything similar.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:45 am

how they pressured what read? Their PV read was since yesterday.

what part of their discussion with math blade didn't make sense?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:55 am

In post 2204, SooperDetective wrote:The pursue reads thing was: look at their reads list. Does it make sense? No.

Their discussion with mathblade: mathblade argued with them and they just said 'you are twisting everything, I will ignore you'
Thats not townie imo

what about his reads make no sense to you?

why if someone reads makes no sense to you their scum?

what is scum agenda in saying "your just twisting everything, I will ignore you"? Was their cought over something that they wanted to dodge? if yes what was it?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 3:03 am

I'm trying to read your mind

be a dear and paint your thought process in here for me.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 4:18 am

In post 2207, SooperDetective wrote:Im.in.class, ill do a bit more in.depth later

You yourself also said their reads make little sense. They scumread everyone in jail except random which is logically impossible. They have abr as a townread above jae and math, they even have math as nullscum. Its not scum motivation per se, but there is.nothing townie about it.

Thry AVOIDED discussion with mathblade when mathblade found them scummy. That is not what town does, or my.idea on this game is totally wrong

-S

I talk about them with them to see their agenda for it.

what about their bad reads make them scum

I myself avoid discusions (well I do not but I'm trying to do) which leads nowhere. so we lynch whoever avoid discussions and we win? what is your question about that discussion from them cuase they said they will answer to anyone but mathblade

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:38 am

In post 2211, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2169, JaeReed wrote:
The scumteam didn't plan on killing drixx. I have a hard time believing you're paying this little attention to the game as town.

You also expressly stated this day phase that you got a letter that was going to be sent to math, not that you received one that Math sent.
Why wouldn't they plan on killing Drixx? He has experience with Varsoon where Drixx was Town and Varsoon Scum. One of the funniest games I ever played.

If ABR were Scum, Drixx should have been his primary target.

What I say about my Night Actions is whatever I feel like revealing. Sometimes it's better to keep some things secret, no?

Ask MathBlade what she thinks. I definitely got my mitts on someone's letter.

Drixx was obviously vig traitor kill

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:45 am

In post 2210, SooperDetective wrote:
In post 2208, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2207, SooperDetective wrote:Im.in.class, ill do a bit more in.depth later

You yourself also said their reads make little sense. They scumread everyone in jail except random which is logically impossible. They have abr as a townread above jae and math, they even have math as nullscum. Its not scum motivation per se, but there is.nothing townie about it.

Thry AVOIDED discussion with mathblade when mathblade found them scummy. That is not what town does, or my.idea on this game is totally wrong

-S
I talk about them with them to see their agenda for it.

what about their bad reads make them scum

I myself avoid discusions (well I do not but I'm trying to do) which leads nowhere. so we lynch whoever avoid discussions and we win? what is your question about that discussion from them cuase they said they will answer to anyone but mathblade
And do you think asking me the same questions over and over again is a discussion that goes somewhere?

Mathblade asked them things, they replied, mathblade showed their reasoning was flawed. He may have exaggerated a bit, but he was right. ABR does townread PV, and they didnt know. It means they arent following the thread, and they arent trying to solve the game. When mathblade tells them that their logic is flawed, that their replies are even scummy, they say they wont talk to him anymore.

I have said everything I have to say there. I want to ask abr questions about his reads but he wont reply. I doubt mathblade will explain their read on me (they gave a reason but its bullshit), worldz is empty slot, jaereed has said what he has to say.

If you want i can tell you what i saw from what i said in the mission pt
If you dont understand what i mean dont ask

-S

if the questions are same then why your answers are just making my questions predicative. I just changed what you said and added a question mark at its end.

thats acceptable about mathblade discussion. their PV read is another example of sheeping PV which they failed to explain where its even coming from initially. Their main pushes are what ABR told which means their highly buddying abr and I still want to know why they townread ABR

hence all the questions I asked from them.

I like to claim our prize after worldz replacement got in here. but if you can tell me what you saw after mission pt last night that might actually be helpful.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:08 am

In post 2217, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2184, Frozen Angel wrote:although the fact she still thinks Drixx was scum kill .
I thought Karnos admitted to it. Didn't Karnos flip Scum?

read karnoos flip omg

karnoos was a traitor matrix/asteral/jail vig

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:13 am

That destroys the very foundation of the reason your townreading ABR so hard for.

come on

your not dumb , stop acting like that.

Scum!ABR couldn't know their traitor vig(even f he knew their traitor is a vig) will shoot drixx.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:17 am

thats not saying you should scumread ABR its just saying your Very reason that you told again in last two pages is obviously flawed.

I usually count loosing clues like that townslipping as scums are naturally more involved and have discusion if day talk ; its just bothering me that your not following the game the way you should. You played dumb in saga while you were pushing me and you were scum. Your town is more observant and if I go with that higher standard this is scum!you playing with minds.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:25 am

In post 2223, Klingoncelt wrote:Speculate: What sort of roles would Scum have, do you think?

assuming 3 scums If I was setup maker I would put a inspecting ability , maybe a protective ability and something to mess with adventures. maybe giving one of them

I would make their investigator weak though in a way that is pretty much useful for knowing whats going on in game.

but thats guessing ... where are you going with this?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:28 am

In post 2225, Klingoncelt wrote:If ABR were Scum, Drixx would be a priority kill for him. ABR did not kill him, he sent Drixx a letter. Therefore ABR is Town.

I'm confused in the logic behind this but I sense honesty?

why you think scum!ABR would kill Drixx before anyone else?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:43 am

I can sense what do you mean but my logic unit is throwing it out from the back of my head.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:50 am

karnoos saw drixx joining matrx pt.

he saw a chance for killing someone without leaving so much trace behind and he did the shot .

there is nothing more in that kill. I'm litterally 100% sure about this.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:51 am

plus drixx as a strong player - probably the strongest one he could go for their kill back then.

noone would hesitate in killing them

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:54 am

@math sooper and me know you role from the adventure pt cuase jaread told us . Just saying that knowing stuff about you wont make anyone confirmed town at this point -

because of this I believe house died because scum knew his mason thingi.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:56 am

You were incredibly accurate in responding to it though

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:02 am

In post 2237, MathBlade wrote:You have to keep in mind Karnos couldn't vig me. I wasn't in any PTs. More than likely scum couldn't see/understand the wish of Karnos to kill me and shot Grovyle or the reason to kill Grovyle outweighed the wish of Karnos to have me killed.

It becomes why did scum shoot Grovyle and why did Karnos kill Drixx? Those are facts.
And furthermore why did Karnos kill Drixx on day one without anything in the first adventure PT?

These are the questions that need to be answered.
Same with the next night? Why was House shot?

I disagree. I was wishy washy on RR at best and vocal about it. Townreads or PRs are what get NKs.

I'm assuming scum had no idea about their traitor role but that means nothing.

Karnoos couldn't kill freely. he had a chance to kill betwen PV , Yume , ABR , Sooper , randomidget and Drixx and he shot Drixx which was putting down less track and was a clean kill anyway.

If drixx slipped they were in adventure pt in matrix then that adds to that.

This question is trying to read karnos mind. its clear he did the kill and he was traitor

stop moon logic k?

in case of house I do beleive they killed house for mason claim eaither becuase of his crumb or they were watching the adventure=D&D scum

what about this makes no sense to you or your disagreed with?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:12 am

I'm rereading the adventure to make sure I'm talking accurate on that manner

about the drixx kill. Karnos was solo. that whats traitor means. he was seeing matrix. he saw drixx came in he shot him.I dont get what you mean you want to analyze that kill. Analyze it then but whatever your getting at - they killed him to frame you , make your reads whatever , etc ... is not accepted in my view and is totally flawed cuase karnos was solo deciding that and its brutally obvious why he did that in this case.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:21 am

well jae claimed who he was thinking you will target when we were discussing night actions , after that he claimed your role when we were discussing how to use our adventure prize cause it was effecting abilities.

and he posted your message later when he was giving us an abstract of whatever he got night 1.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:46 am

@jae is KC receiving message involved in your last post 3 lines?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:41 pm

@D&D PV explained his reasoning for scumreading ABR and it was pretty much valid at that point. what about it was just an OMGUS and why was it scummy?

In post 2250, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:his being masonized

that was today. You were hard townreading and sheeping him from yesterday.

In post 2250, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:McMenno had a scumslip that fit with Space Cowboy scum and I've explained my PV scumread repeatedly?

Your saying MC shot his scum buddy and scum slipped and got lynched as well and Scum!PV went on a mission and did somthing which jailed him on his own.

Don't you really expect me to not laugh at this shit your proposing ; really?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:44 pm

Can someone quote MC scumslip?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:51 pm

In post 2253, JaeReed wrote:
In post 2249, Frozen Angel wrote:@jae is KC receiving message involved in your last post 3 lines?
I'm sorry I don't follow the question here. Could you rephrase?

it was @Sooper not you I fucked up lol

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:52 pm

In post 2258, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Mathblade, do you trust sooper/jaereed more or Klingon/D&D more?

I do trust jaread more than KC more then the other two atm

I can't understand your pairings. from my pov D&D and Sooper scum is a really sensible scum team

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 6:55 pm

The reason I trust jae is the fact Grovile died over Math who claimed they role in their mission pt. but thats not really a solid reason.

Jea was really decent and progressive during adventure though as well.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:05 pm

In which page of your adventure you hinted that?

I have a summary from Jae which he told us in our adventure that i want to check this in it

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:06 pm

In post 2268, MathBlade wrote:And Grovyle didn't claim shit unless I am misremembering something. Will check PT in the AM really tired.

Thats why his death over you is likly not from jae. its just the fact its role madness anyway. I don't know

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:10 pm

yeah you pretty much crumbed the nature of your role there too and jae noticed that according to the version he told us in adventure.

I do beleive this means jae is not scum but its not that solid

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:54 pm

In post 2275, SooperDetective wrote:@FA - MC slipped in the Matrix PT and then seemed/pretended to be trolling.

slipped what in matrix pt

explain please

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:56 pm

In post 2274, MathBlade wrote:I still feel wrong about how you said JaeReed saying I said my role when I didn't. Nature of is a bit of a stretch but could work ish depending upon how JaeReed phrased it. Something is fishy.

That was my first impression when I read it. Jaread claimed your role to us directly though. what dont you get or your getting wrong?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:59 pm

In post 2275, SooperDetective wrote:Is it also possible that House had to be killed because he targeted ABR and ABR isn't town?

for that they need to knew about it. so D&D is scum as well or they guessed that House is a mason and is going to confirm someone starting tomorrow.

this whole thing is a loop. if we forget that whole mason crumb thingi ABR cant be scum unless with D&D

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:32 pm

ok then

thanks now it seems more sane.

if MC was scum SC is very very likely town though. No scum will shoot 1/3 of their pt day 1.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:33 pm

but then 3 scum killing power makes no sense with D&D scum ...

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:36 pm

MC never let them "prove" they are town?

this is awkward

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:37 pm

Wait he asked SC to help them?

that can't be sircakez?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:37 pm

was it cowboy or SC?

Sooper tell me exactly what was his slip in your pt

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:46 pm

That event was incredibly weird. MC is not idiot to just say "oh no I slipped"

What was his first post? oh no was his second yes?

What was his original slip?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:51 pm

What was his first slip that he asked helped for dodging it from Space cowboy?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:55 pm

In post 2292, JaeReed wrote:he would not lynch mathblade or jaereed or karnos
[Traitor]
or grovyle
[Town]

he would be okay with a worldzmine or d&d or detective moonlight lynch

going back to my "Pts" discussing action with "his buddies"

and then he said "oh no ! I slipped space cowboy help me

and then Karnoos outed those info?!

what the hell

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:57 pm

why noone else in the matrix out those info?

where were randomidget and sooper slot?

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:00 pm

actually sooper slot outed the info as well disregard that.

Something went wrong there but the rest of it seems like preplanned. for a scum team with 2 or 3 memebers and a traitor its madness to just shoot each other like that.

MC is scum for no doubt though. that changes my reads around that point

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:05 pm

thinking SC was town and MC was scum

assuming first slip was real he needed to use his day vig ability as soon as possible. he doubt casted on SC (but why) , SC claimed they can "prove" their town and he shot them down without hesitate.

the problem with this is why he didn't doubt cast on anyone else if he was sure he is screwed. His second slip seems Idiotic as fuck and the fact it was followed with that sjot it makes no sense if SC was town.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:12 pm

Two slipps

people do one slipp but two slipps and the second one has a name inside it as buddy. its just means he wanted to wifom. but he didn't need to make SC look bad so why he outed that name there?

Killing SC right after they said they can prove their town is meaningful though. whatever was that wifom he decided to take it in jail with him.

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:42 pm

In post 2301, JaeReed wrote:So McMenno, do you have any intention of explaining your strategy, or are you fine being read as scum?

"Strategy" "your fine being read as scum"

he was talking to scum.

even he was confused! >.>

Frozen Angel · Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:43 pm

^ I mean he wasn't questioning MC alignment or was asking him if he has anything in his defense.

he chose his words carefully inviting him to crumb his intentions for him and crumbing that he knew MC was scum and there must be a reason for all that.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:16 am

I need to get the answer from Sooper

is KC receiving message involved in your last post 3 lines?

@Math I don't see jaread claiming your role at that point scummy, Though I like to discuss this after we claimed our prize.

The problem is one slot is empty atm and I really like them to confirm if they are informed about any kind of block or redirection or anything which can mess with an action before claiming the prize we got.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:20 am

In post 2307, MathBlade wrote:Also the conversation on SC and McMenno is kinda dumb. If D&D is scum he could have to give it to town on one scum the next or some other weird requirement we don't know. The first slip could have been a genuine slip or trolling or McMenno drawing attention to himself so it would be obvious he day vigged SC.

this is bad?

that really matters. MC is scum i have 0 doubts about it at this point. the way karnos talked with him and the way he made those slipps genuinly or fake proves he is scum.

and Thats make SC very likly town who got shot right after caliming they can prove their town.

the problem is the amount of night kills scum posses.

yes D&D may have a restriction for giving it to other people than the one in his scum pt (which goes really well with the fact there was a taritor in the setup)

but anyway. if we count MC as scum . they already have 3 kills each cycle.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:10 am

Your other head has a scum read on both SC and Mc and has a strong scumread on PV becuase of the reason I responded to which your saying you weren't paying attention to it.

why are you scumreading PV then?

why your reads differ from your other head? when was your last hydra discussion and why your ok with having different reads at this point of the game?

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:11 am

Why you wanted to wagon PV if you weren't paying attention?

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:22 am

now its time for you to do stuff

Thank you

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 7:31 am

@mod how is stuff going for finding a replacement?

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:01 am

In post 2319, SooperDetective wrote:No, it wasn't.

BAM

Contradiction found

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:04 am

KC didn't saw my message to drixx night one so the reason she got that message is related to the sender , There must be an action on Mathblade about that letter.

If anyone targeted mathblade to duplicate the letter claim now cause that will out an scum immediately.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:05 am

BAM BAM BAM

!!!

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:08 am

yes and that has a contradiction.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:10 am

KC recieved a letter which was sent from ABR to drixx but not mine to drixx this is saying she could see the letters which were sent by ABR - something targeted ABR night 1

KC received a letter which was sent from Mathblade to me - the action must be on mathblade.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:11 am

JAE tell me what do you think!

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:14 am

Whoever taregted mathbade claim in their next post

list of claims :
Frozen angel : No
Sooper : Yes
...

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:15 am

or not let me think for a minute

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 9:22 am

what was the one you did

the first one in 136 or the second one?

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:07 pm

its 5 am

and I am heading out

and I won't post in this game anything before super answeres my last question

@KC I do get this postings that you didn't target mathblade last night. I'm taking this as a claim.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 5:26 pm

@Sooper also answer who was the player you sent the message you promised last night.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:21 pm

Sc you were watching saga do you remember KC language push on me on day 1?

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:30 pm

@Math I will put everything together once I get sooper , KC and that empty fucking slot details.

I can't and I shouldn't publickly talk about it before then.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:32 pm

and I am sure MC is scum in jail.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:39 pm

You asked me a question

I answered ; that was all

You don't want to wait? go do your homework and follow your own clues. I found a contradiction in two claims which i won;t open until I get all the details related to it so I let noone escape from this.

and I really don't give a fuck how you feel about it. I'm doing my job, go do yours.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:42 pm

I have a reasonable ressoning to mark two or three players and call there is one scum between them right now

This day is frozen becuase worldz slot is missing and I won't rush now that I have such confidence in my reads to screw up. and noone not even you my dear townread fellow can force me to do that.

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:45 pm

as I said I Can't and I Shouldn't talk about it publickly before them.

now if your intrested to see what I'm saying put pressure on them instead of pressuring me

Frozen Angel · Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:50 pm

and its so hypocritical of you that your so angry about being exposed by someone else for a good reason that you don't know and your asking me to expose details about others in this manner for no reason but your satisfaction - sooner than the time it must.

sit down , and respectfully get out of my sight.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:46 am

In post 2346, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Because he literally developed the scumread randomly right after ABR pushed him
Yeah we had a townread on him yesterday from meta/play, I thought I said that
MC didn't shoot Space Cowboy iirc.
Yes he scumslipped
Yes I think PV walked into being jailed due to pressure from House

all 3 cant be scum though

2 of the 3 people your fos ing are town very likely and I want to bring them back tonight.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 4:48 am

I told ABR some stuff about this now he can tell you all that there is something I'm saying as well and its reasonible to hold it till everyone claim and answer what they should.

I didn't out you mathblade to him , don't worry.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 5:18 am

@math sorry that I can't tell more publickly atm

to apologize for my earlier today aggression though - cuase I think I know how you must feel about the whole secrecy atm

Spoiler: lyrics

pedit : kindda - not this much accurate though , I guess ; need to have answers for my questions first before publicly telling the whole story and I won't tell it when there is an empty slot in here.

sorry this is how it is.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:57 am

what do you mean an action with several parts

I won't get of this without a claim.

how many actions you saw last night?

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:02 am

@jae he claimed the first one in 136 or the second one in his message to you?

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:20 am

why is that not voyeur?

was the second action strongmanizer? yes or no

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:25 am

is that hard to answer?

its just a yes no question man

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:33 am

You didn't see a strongmaniz on Mathblade - which abr claimed it twice today and you didn't attack him at all?

also KC was on Drixx night 1 but she didn't tell anything about the killer or stuff like that if that means something can you elaborate please?

pedith : and you was on worldz?

or you was on random?

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:47 am

so she saw my message night 1 as well according to your claim.

unless she was on ABR not Drixx.

ok , I need to stop for tonight. will reread some stuff and organize my thought process about this.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:53 am

I know I read and understood that message partially before.

You claimed you didn't see KC message thingi which was contradicting something logically. now you fixed that and it seems fine. Now your not scummy action wise , your not town for that though.

KC is very likly though. and ABR as well. It will be really funny that after all this discussion the scums are D&D and worldz slot.

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:56 am

I'm not reading what?

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:01 am

I need to go

won't be online tomorrow morning as well , later that day I will publickly post the abstraction report I promised before

pedit : which line was saying someone made mathblade go behind nar?

Frozen Angel · Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:02 am

oh put outside of 117

damn it

yeah

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:36 am

Just got home

will tell you the summery I promised in less than an hour

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:47 am

I am going to drop this mystery Bullshit once and for all

according to the summary jaread told us during last night mission which is partially confirmed by mathblade comments so far , math blade claimed she has a power role with indicating highly that she has an ability from a certain group of PR's.

The fact Grovile died from that mission that night indicates eaither math is scum herself or jae is town cuase scum didn't kill math over grovile. this is not a strong lead though.

Math fullclaimed to jae in his message told him she didn't full claim in the pt becuase she has doubts about Drixx and what is she going to do that night and why is she was going to do that.

Jae told us the exact message he recieved from math during last night adventure + a full summary about their night 1 adventure as I said but it was all after exposing mathblade role which I will tell you why if you continue reading this. (and the message he recieved from grovyle as well)

last night we received a prize which would let us disable a category of abilities (like killing, blocking ,protective , etc ...) for the night or to remove someones access from any day chats they have [Moonlogic : this implies scum has a day chat which is why I'm sure MC's second slip was a planed tactic to frame SC but the fact he shot them right after they claimed they can prove their town is weird.]

We obviously used the first prize to stop redirection or block. Our deal was that Sooper use one of them without telling that in adventure pt (we were suspecting there might be an in adventure vig or something which killed PV right after a discussion happened about PV - sooper was weirdly against this idea though like the way he was agaisnt all of my theories like he knows their fualts or wrong aspects already)

anyway we told sooper he must send a message to someone not me and in my tier one or two of townreads about which he disabled : redirection or block (sooper claimed he message jaread and the thing which was disabled was redirection)

This was when Jaread claimed math role to say who she will target very likely and disabling what might stop her. (and after that he gave us full read lists and night 1 details)

All this aside Sooper claimed they are a voyuer and they are targetting mathblade at night. his coded reponse about his night action in here :

In post 2246, SooperDetective wrote:@FA 196 didnt happen in what i looked at
The action performed by that person was put outside of 117 and therefore wasnt affected by anything there
There was also someone who saw me do what i did and what said person did after the mission

means:

Noone messed with mathblade actions
The action performed by math was not disabled (was put outside of 117 means was put outseide of NAR system which I din't understand in first time reading)
Someone watched jae and jae knows what that person did.

so this is not a voyuer its a semi watching role cop - but the results match with all claims Now that he changed his claim about watching any ability related to messages

I asked him if he saw anything related to KC message stealing or not and he said No before

My thought process back then : "If he disabled redirection by his own claim (which was behind nar so it would disable redirection for all of the night) he should see some action messing with math message

why?

cuase the same ability targeted You night 1 and couldn't be be targetting drixx. The action must be on sender or reciever and according to KC claim she didn't receive my slot message to drixx night 1. So the told action must be on the sender.

this is where the claims won't add up! Sooper is lieing or KC has some not-targetable message spy ability and/or is lieing about not seeing other messages (at least my slot message night 1)"

Now he chamged his claim : he said it was one complicated action - included in the watch he claimed earlier which would let KC read all sent / recieved messages.

Now the current claims adds up.
actional wise ABR strongmanizing Math is townish. KC watching Math is townish - but she had other utilities that could help scum!her understand town power roles + Math was a good person for spying messages (as ABR was - becuase of his leader ship charisma)

so I do still beleive there is a scum in this two investigative claims - I am sorry that your roles are now outed but that was the reason I was trying to keep my voice down and do these calculations hidden

thoughts , ideas , reads and opinions about the above are welcome

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 1:58 am

In post 2401, SooperDetective wrote:@FA - I totally get that I don't know a lot about mechanics and the implications of different mechanics and what things are happening. I guess it's because of that that some of your posts seem a bit aimless (because your aim isn't clear to me.) Can you explain these a bit more? What responses are/were you expecting? How would certain answers be AI and others not?

Your slot first claim had an absoloute contradiction with something else I knew. Sooper fixed that last night with a change.

You lieing about your results or KC lieing about recieveing other messages meant there is a scum in you and KC at that time. Now it just highly indicates becuase of the fact I do beleive in this role madness town main faction need a spy utility. Both you and KC roles match in this category.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:00 am

In post 2399, Klingoncelt wrote:Also, there might have been a Mod error.

I will shoot you down just for this sentense.

and I'm sirious KC.

you are claiming you are not informed about what was the thing I was talking about and you are suggesting there was a mod error any way?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:21 am

You were outed by jaread to tell us who your going to likely visit (remember that I was there) and disabling what kind of actions will disable you.

I'm not saying they were good reasons but he came out towny in my eyes when doing it.

You were about to shoot an outed scum , so you were a good place for town huanting or scum huanting so spying you makes sense for KC as either alignment.

all I said there was that I think the fact grove died over you indicates jaread is town cuase he knew you are a PR you know what you are.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:24 am

In post 2411, MathBlade wrote:I also did not say who I would likely target d2 (if I can) in a message on D1 that is dumb.

yeah thats the same version he told us about your message.

he just guessed your action for you know why

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:28 am

In post 2411, MathBlade wrote:And why would it matter who I target (if I can) when the entire point was to make sure I shot ABR? That is the whole reason I was left off is because I wasn't trusted.

to make sure you shot Karnoos you mean?

and yes we wanted to disable the action which could have stopping you. (redirect or blocks)

mod confirmed that if someone gets a gift vig shot they can still shoot with it and do their own action unless its spescified in their role pm that they can only use one action. mod answered it for factional kill and vig shot (someone may use a vig shot and do a factional kill in the same night naturally - there is no one action per night restriction) so your other action mattered as well.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:31 am

and I tell you everything about the night if its not outing us or someone else - whitout any reasons - just remember the fact you got outed by jaread is on jaread. I was waiting for him to hint you we know about your role cuase this is kindda dumb to out someone else and don't tell them they are outed , when I saw its not happeneing I claimed it.

I don't see him being scummy for doing it and yes I know your angry but whatever ... I still dont see him scum for doing it.

jaread is likely town for the fact grovile died over you 0 unless they crumbed something as well which I missed

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:42 am

about KC

but then she that she knew about ABR message day 2. which is highly unlikly from a scum KC.

I want to restrict my FOS pool to {D&D , Sooper and worldz} slots.

pedit : hmmm yeah , but anyway the fact you weren't killed after claiming in a hood implies scum has no access in that hood or your scum.

but then as I said its not a strong reasoning - just an initial thinking process which gave me a slight townread on jae + the fact he was really progressive in the hood last night

I dont know

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:45 am

You said "I am a PR which ...." according to jae

Maybe I shouldnt assume everyone is smart enough to figure this out but that is pointing at only two nar categories directly.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:47 am

and again I am assuming scums will do optimal kills which is false in its core.

so yeah that reasoning is flawed and weak. its just giving a feeling to me that jae is trustable which might be wrong. *shrugs*

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:52 am

nope

only two role- types will trully say that

just stop this discussion k? your hinting at yourself and I'm helping you >.>

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:56 am

good

I want it to be Sooper becuase KC outed ABR message day 2

but then KC played a bit dumb today which is reminding me of her saga. her town game is more influential. so I am really not ok with her.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:57 am

and then both might be town with a 15% chance.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:01 am

jae didnt claim the truth in his initial responses and fixed it when I attacked him for it. I am sure both has the abilities which are claimed cuase they proved they know stuff.

None of them claimed anything to progress this converstion directly.

I do beleive if they are scum and in this step they won't lie about something known to others.

plus I am sure scum!jae wouldn't out scum!KC like that so their not scum together definitely.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:03 am

In post 2427, MathBlade wrote:Regarding KC -- I find it odd I did not receive a single message last night. I know you got mine because of how you posted. I find it odd I did not get a message.

I guess jae wanted to message you telling we were disabling something to help you vig easier but I stopped him , cuase that was a test for you (we knew your action couln't be redirected or blocked so if you were using one of those to explain why you didn't shoot karnoos we could destroy you after your lie - which wasn't the case as I was hoping to)

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:09 am

still the scum needed a way of detecting their traitor.

thats how this usually works.

when their traitor is a PT vig spy they must be weaker to blance this shit. but then MC was scum so they already had an extra kill too! which implies scums have more dark powers and towns have some highly great confirmational powers (like what house had and it could be refilled) and like the public cop + some good protectives and maybe a conditional killing. Investigatives won't match in this setup spec as town utility

I can however see one or maybe two investigative utilities - even in this mess.

now back to what I expect for scum to have, a utility to detect town power roles cuase they are so fucking strong together. they had the elemination tools already. both voyeur and what is KC makes sense in this

note to self : we can assume karnoos a serial killer for power balance purposes as well

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:09 am

Oh I should have warned

my posts are rated M for Moon logic. Moon logic alert , take care

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 4:24 am

I predict :

Investigative
Adventure fucker
Killing/Blockin
+
Spy vig traitor

if they have extra ability it can be a townish confirmable role or they can have both blocking and killing cuase that extra killing must be restricted.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:08 am

well I asked questions about his reads and he answered like "town" , "not town"

I asked what about the sabotage , success failure of fist night he said something like it was asuccessful run. scum tried to sabotage it but they failed

then he asked me to write something super long and explain everything to him so he can engage with game. I explained "nearly" the whole long post I posted publicly in there before sooper fixing his claim. ABR reaction to my post was "sooper is confscum" (that was before sooper fix as well) he posted that in main game thread after reading my explanation as well - you can check the timings with that

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:25 am

he rejoined over night as a night action.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:25 am

wait I need to make mod confirm or deny that

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:45 am

can you enter and live now abr?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:46 am

leave*

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:23 am

Your action is not unnoticed

this matters becuase of other stuff

can you or can you not enter or leave astral atm?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:30 am

I want your answer before mod showing up

and its obvious why

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:34 am

ty for honesty

was your entering a night action submit ?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:37 am

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:38 am

The way its written in my pm indicates its an action like other abilities. I asked mod that if I was targted by house what would happen to that ability

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:39 am

In post 2456, SooperDetective wrote:I did not know it was your action, abr. FA told me it was yours. I only know of the actions, not the players. It makes sense because scum might have fuckery, like the bounty by karnos.

ABR claimed it twice in the main game thread today. I'm not using any hidden data or claims.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:53 am

In post 2462, SooperDetective wrote:i believe that role makes little sense as scum

explain

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:08 am

In post 2465, SooperDetective wrote:but then you have to believe in a KC-ABR-karnos and maybe another 1 or even 2 scum members

explain

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 7:17 am

Don't count karnos in the team.

We got the traitor , why if KC is scum , ABR is scum as well?

KC!scum highly suggest ABR!town becuase of the message reveal ; or are you suggesting KC claimed a fake message from his buddy for no reason to make a reason for townreading each other? KC has that role by your claim ; Thats like the worst gamble ever.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:08 am

In post 2469, Albert B. Rampage wrote:Frozen can still be scum, no? Why have we discounted Frozen?

Cause I am town

Yume was brutally obvious town if you know her and I am town

If you have concerns directly come to me. I am transparent with my reads , thinking process and my scum hunting .

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:13 am

In post 2468, SooperDetective wrote:I have to reveal a key part of their role to explain so i wont yet, but trust me that it would be really weird for the mod to make it THAT easy to find scum!abr

so you mean Scum KC means scum ABR based on role?

I guess thats something that makes her role easier if ABR is scum - but that does not indicate he is scum if she is. If I'm wrong in my assumptions feel free to correct me -

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:26 am

that KC used an action to figure out ABR messages and to spy his role

so I do beleive ABR is town based on your calculations even more

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:42 pm

mod confirmed that i wouldn't loose my ability to enter/exit asteral even if house were vanalizing me .

abr is fine

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:42 pm

and he came in after day start so he was honest with that too.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:38 pm

Kling can you confirm ABR used the so told action on math last night or not?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 9:52 pm

@D&D

sooper is not that vanilla as your making it look like though. he is a semi role cop voyeur.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:20 pm

what are you talking about

You saw the exact actions they performed , how is that weaker than a normal voyuer? Voyeurs see "protective" "killing" "blocking" etc not the exact roles normally.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:21 pm

ohhh

day actions eh?

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:23 pm

Thats important info

if your town that suggests scum has day actions - MC menno for example (cuase his day vig was private as well)

if there are enough town actions you an be useful for scum. for a fact it can be sueful for scum to detect wheter if someone is inside or outside a pt - but then there was already a karnoos doing that in them

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:26 pm

ask mod if your ability can detect someone entering or exiting a PT or not.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:27 pm

It actually makes sense for your role to be against MC.

MC never shot SC publickly means he casted that ability privatley. You could detect and catch him.

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:34 pm

wait no youre not a watcher just a voyeur ...

scratch what I said in last post

pedit :y

Frozen Angel · Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:37 pm

In post 2482, Klingoncelt wrote:There was a Mod error, but that's a good thing. Had the instance NOT been a Mod error, then the game state would be altered. So everything's cool.

It was a player based error - as sooper claimed

what mod error are you talking about?

Frozen Angel · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:46 am

I was the one who told jae to not message you with that info >.>

Frozen Angel · Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:49 am

if for like 2% karnoos was not shot today you couldn't claim X becuase of our disable. This is a game which must be solved.

unless you wanted jae to tell you solmething else which i don't know about what he did was the best course of action.

Frozen Angel · Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:28 am

welcome not chara!

You have a complicated 101 pages in front of you. I suggest you to start reading the game setup , then its day 3 then other parts of it.

I am really eager to see your catchup , reads and opinions.

Frozen Angel · Fri Sep 30, 2016 3:47 pm

In post 2516, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 2502, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2482, Klingoncelt wrote:There was a Mod error, but that's a good thing. Had the instance NOT been a Mod error, then the game state would be altered. So everything's cool.
It was a player based error - as sooper claimed

what mod error are you talking about?
It was something weird that showed up in my results. The Mods corrected it, all is well.

what weird thing in your result?

Frozen Angel · Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:42 pm

just to make sure your applying this in your reads : karnos was a traitor

and karnos was the second person who pointed it out. it was pointed by sooper - was asked by RR and then it was claimed by karnos if I'm not confusing game evnets. I do wonder why no one else in that pt didn't brought it up if it was as direct as what karnos claimed it to be. The whole thing just seems so fake

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 3:32 am

In post 2527, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Where is the semi rolecop from?

he sees the exact abilities not their categories. its stronger than a normal voyeur.

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:20 am

not the main slip in the thread

I was talking about his second slip in matrix pt

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 4:22 am

yep I wasn't talking about this.

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 5:07 am

you might slip information which are not publickly claimed and screw the town - willingly or unwillingly

NO one will make a list of claims or crumbs. get out of here mKay?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:18 am

In post 2544, Daenerys and Dragons wrote:Well it seems fairly obvious that scum know what happened in the mission PT, and yet there are still town that don't know.

what do you mean

why scum know what happened in our mission pt?

do you have any clues suggesting any mission beside the one house died in was being watched by scum?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:46 am

ahh

that makes sense ...

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:57 am

I meant the fact he forgot your role was a public info or not suggests he is scum cuase they already know that and so many players know that suggests he is scum , this is what I called is a logical conclusion.

but then I dont beleive in slips so much , I'm fighting with my gut to see if this sets well with me or not

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:36 am

In post 2553, SooperDetective wrote:Just like your role, FA.

What the ....

What?

WHAT ?!!

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:41 am

VOTE: sooper

I literally don't care about your alignment now.

and I'm not joking at all.

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:42 am

What about the recent events was even close to have any relationship to my role for you to scream the crumbs and stuff load to give them validity?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:46 am

and I didn't claim it in the mission

I validated some stuff about it

yes it might be obvious but what the fuck is your problem??

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:55 am

UNVOTE:

just go get lost for tonight

I need to cool of before insulting

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:56 am

and your whole BS ATE had no relation to what you just did ; jut so you know

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 9:58 am

What the fuck about you having correct reads has anything to do with you outing me?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:00 am

WHAT happened that you thought its ok to even talk about my role at that point beside your desire for appealing?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:07 am

I claimed I have a neighbourhood there

I never fucking pointed at you at all.

what about outing me in this has any fucking relationship with that,

and being honest? what the fuck is the meaning of that?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:07 am

In post 2565, SooperDetective wrote:Please give me a break

sure

VOTE: Sooper

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:08 am

going to bath and try to sleep and don't think about this shit

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:42 am

I couldn't go

UNVOTE:

In post 2569, SooperDetective wrote:SC would be alive.

how?

some of the posts you gave me numbers to are absoloute trash and has no relation to this conversation but point taken yes , I claimed in the mission pt. are you scum? or do you suspect jae?

why in the fucking earth is that information is getting discussed in the public thread?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:44 am

I don't care about your reads

honestly

at all.

town can have good reads. scums has the best reads. I don't even know if your reads are right atm or not.

and I don't fucking care when you just outed a restricted knowledge info for no shit reason and your dodging to answer why you did that

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:45 am

In post 2569, SooperDetective wrote:But now you suddenly decide that they are right about me being scum because of 1 thing i said?

read why I voted you?

I said I don't care about your alignment at this point.

well I take that back but still I think your scum

if your not this is all on you

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:46 am

I unvoted first to decide about party I voted cuase I pm'ed the mod with a party. I unvoted again cuase I don't want to let emotion ruin this game as well as all the previous varsoon games of mine.

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 10:51 am

MC shot him

how they could be still alive?

what about me claiming in there matters to the fact you outed us if we both are town to you?

Frozen Angel · Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:47 pm

why you involved me in that conversation

what was your agenda in bringing my name there. It was just an example is bullshit. why you didn't use soemone else as example?

This is the last time I'm asking this.

Frozen Angel · Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:00 am

first I'm not suggesting to plicy you. what you did was severely antitown and the way your trying to get excuses for it is buggy as fuck

but then

In post 2586, inspectorscout wrote:Get your priorities straight. If I were scum, even if there isn't daychat, I could've shared that info with my buddies last night. What the fuck would I benefit from this?

there is that. so my mind is pretty much fucked up.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:28 am

I was thinking about this game A lot and now I'm in a state that I just want it finished.

like have you ever been in a situation when you are doing what you forsaw and so you think the rest must be like that as well?

I think sooper is town and all remianing scums are in {ABR , D&D , KC}

@chara

some people claimed some stuff or got others messages or got others roles in other ways of communictaion
only these are public claims/info at this point:
- ABR who could make an action happen before NAR system making them strongmanized in sense. he was on math last night.
- KC is a watcher / tracker of all abilities and messages who was on ABR night 1 and on math night 2
- Sooper : voyeur who saw ABR and KC's exact abilities last night.

My role was crumbed (thx to sooper for bringing it up) by yume. I am a medic and I do confirm that I have a related to name role. I won't claim what and how and no shit beyond that. jae is the only one who know my role. Sooper thinks he knows my role but he is wrong. ABR knows something about me as well.

Math role was claimed by her to jae. and by jae to both me and sooper in last night mission and it was sniffed when she claimed it to me during last nigt message. I semi confirmed math and KC guess about my role unwillingly as well.

so you see why the whole shit is so fucked up?

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:32 am

My gut screams me to trust sooper but then I trusted scum abr with something I shouldn't have.

or I might be wrong and only one scum is in the living.

in either case I want to just D&D

@Froot There was no reason for your slot to even mention my role. yes it might be obvious for some people - which I guess it is - yet I never claimed it completely anywhere publickly just in a message to jae last night ; I claimed it partially in our adventure and in asteral pt. so there is that.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:44 am

Math role was sniffed by KC though she is the one who can get her targets sent/received messages.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:09 am

In post 2609, SooperDetective wrote:So you call me out for suggesting to make a list
And then you make your own list?
Same for FA

What the fuck is wrong with all of you

I'm done with this game to be honest. I will take whoever I'm sure is town to the adventure and I will bring back the very likely towns. The rest can die.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:25 pm

@KC that is the only towny attidue. That is the only thing I'm responsible for in this game. to have a bunch of townreads and elimante the rest of players. If you are town and you win that way whats your problem with this?

VOTE: D&D

this has to be scum. if there is secondary scums it must be in KC or sooper ; Jaread or ABR in secondbracket.

D&D must get lynched for being on all missions which got sabotaged; house death and for not giving me a good vibe overall. I know ABR has a townread on this slot which I can't understand and KC and jae are just with me in pushing them without pushing them on their own . so after D&D scum flip its one in the three or NC who I'm null on and that makes sooper town. IF for 5% D&D not flipped scum KC is mafia and I guess the second mafia is in NC , Jaread or ABR is mafia and the second mafia is in sooper , jaread but abr sooper makes less sense becuase of the way he was pushing him today.

KC ABR is less likly becuase of outing that message yesterday. If both scum KC was on someone else and they made that theather for absoloutly no gain but outing their power which is absurd.

This is the only way I can see the game right now. as I am leaning town on jaread and math the possible scum pairs in my mind are :

{D&D, ABR} , {D&D ,KC} , {D&D , NC} , {KC , NC}

and these pairs are yet still possible but I don't think so

{D&D , Jaread} , {NC , ABR} , {NC , D&D} , {ABR , Sooper} , {ABR , Jaread} , {sooper , jaread}//I'm so fucked up in this scenario - so so fucked up , {Sooper , NC} , {KC , ABR} , {KC , Jaread} , {Math , D&D} , {Math , ABR} , {Math , NC}

I can't see sooper scum with D&D and KC and I think the possibility for him being scum with ABR and jaread and NC is low. so that might mean he is town.

Math is likly town for shooting scum and her message - though it might be an attempt for making me confirm what I am instead of what it was look like but then she is not scum with sooper or jae cuase they already saw the crumbs in aveture pt and they didn't need to send message.

If I missed any really possible pair remind me of it.I removed some pairs which seem impossible for me because of the way stuff happened in the game. (like math , KC)

This is all based on assuming 2 scums are among the living. if its only one by removing D&D , Sooper and KC in this order (or maybe changing the order of sooper and KC) we must win.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:39 pm

put {ABR , NC} to higher bracket. I have no reason to think this pair is unlikly.

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:43 pm

I removed some as I said

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:45 pm

well yeah its so fucked up

it has duplicate pairs as well

will try to write all of them down and start removing/ sorting after to fix it >.>

Frozen Angel · Mon Oct 03, 2016 9:12 pm

All the pairs : {Math , Kling} , {Math , D&D} , {Math , Sooper} , {Math , ABR} , {Math , NC} , {Math , Jae} , {Kling , D&D} , {Kling , Sooper} , {Kling , ABR} , {Kling , NC} , {Kling , Jae} , {D&D , Sooper} , {D&D , ABR} , {D&D , NC} , {D&D , Jae} , {Sooper , ABR} , {Sooper , NC} , {Sooper , Jae} , {ABR , NC} , {ABR , Jae} , {NC , Jae}

Imposible pair : {Math , Kling} /*cause KC was seen spieing on math by sooper*/ , {Kling , Sooper} /* It makes no sense role wise; scum sooper wouldn't out scum!KC like that */

Higher possibility
-> {Kling , D&D} , {Kling , NC} , {D&D , ABR} , {D&D , NC} , {ABR , NC}
-> {Math , D&D} , {Math , ABR} , {Math , NC} , {Sooper , NC}
-> {Kling , Jae} , {D&D , Jae} , {ABR , Jae} , {NC , Jae} /* cuase Math didn't die over grove night 1 jae is not likely scum unless with math. which is unlikly becuase of the reason I told below infront of jae-math pair */ , {Sooper , ABR} /*becuase ABR could easily push D&D today but he is pushing sooper.*/ , {Sooper , Jae} /*Its highly unlikly that the way they posted in last night adventure is role playing. I screwed up big time if this is the case. */
-> {Math , Sooper} /* Sooper knew crumbs of my role already so there was no reason for scum!math to fake that message ; beside maybe getting towncreds from me , and then she knew about being dispanted from sooper */ , {Math , Jae} /*same reason + I beleive math messaged jae night 1 with her role*/ , {D&D , Sooper} /*cuase the lynch is very likly on these two today and none of them tried to move it in any other direction.*/ , {Kling , ABR} /* Cuase of first night interaction and the way KC claimed the recived message*/

lesser pssibility

I assume the last line pairs as nearly impossible at this stage. As I said its assuming 2 scums are alive , if its one we must win if we kill d&d , sooper , KC in my opinion.

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:12 am

wait

I completly forgot D&D claim in my calculations.

UNVOTE:

fuck this mess

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 4:24 am

I can't see D&D - sooper team

talk to me how can you see that?

and you can sleep before answering this.

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 6:40 am

ABR being scum doesn't need D&D scum cause house messaged ABR about his action on him - which its content is not confirmed (I don't think the whole House messaged abr about his vanalizer masonize thing is ok as abr would know it if he was town) -

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:15 am

In post 2647, Not Chara wrote:i'd vote D&D, but i want to check the votes first so i know if it's to L-1 or not.

not acceptable.

You know what D&D claimed? You know what are we talking about? why you want to vote them if not?

D&D is the player who gave mathblade and abr guns and they confirmed it.

That is not making them town its just an information I missed in my previous analyses and I must add it to it when I get the time.

now continue cathing up and ask what you don't understand and explain your reads.

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:25 am

I just don't believe house would message ABR telling him what he was doing to him as abr's being in dark was the thing which was sorting him in the first place. If ABR was town he would understand he is vanalyzed and masonized at start of next day automatically anyway so house had no reason for claiming that.

which makes me doubt my abr earlier town read.

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:48 am

ABR when did the thing which I just got notified about happened? before 2646 or after that?

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:55 am

When you left astral? before or after that post?

In post 2653, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I could've just lied

Cause you do that every game to destroy fun and absolutely no other reason? or cuase your scum with d&d and you wanted to destroy the logic relating you two (as if you were scum the only way you would know he was targetting you was D&D)

or is there another reason? I like to know

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:55 am

In post 2651, Bold Vote Scientist wrote:
VOTECOUNT 3.4

Daenerys and Dragons (1):
klingoncelt, Mathblade

SooperDetective (1):
Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (6):
Daenerys and Dragons, SooperDetective, Not Chara, JaeReed, Frozen Angel, Mathblade

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline
: (expired on 2016-10-07 14:00:00)

Mod! there are two mathblades in this.

I fixed it.

~Titus

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:58 am

damn it. I got hostile again.

stepping back from pc - no offense was intended ABR.

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:09 am

ahhh

who is scum?

Frozen Angel · Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:11 am

In post 2655, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 2651, Bold Vote Scientist wrote:
VOTECOUNT 3.4

Daenerys and Dragons (1):
klingoncelt, Mathblade

SooperDetective (1):
Albert B. Rampage

Not Voting (6):
Daenerys and Dragons, SooperDetective, Not Chara, JaeReed, Frozen Angel, Mathblade

With 8 Alive, it takes 5 to Lynch.
Deadline
: (expired on 2016-10-07 14:00:00)

Mod! there are two mathblades in this.

I fixed it.

~Titus

you didn't count math blade vote in D&D wagon though!

Fixed now.