In post 3196, Alisae wrote:We shouldn't be judging who is what alignment is based of off flavor because we don't have a scum flip yet.
We have 2 scumflips lol.
KeyRB had a fakeclaim ffs.
Wait, you're correct. I associated the fakeclaim with the 3P role, but that only happened because he joined the Special Zone. It also explains why CD didn't kill key.
I was loyal to scum
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Post #3208 (isolation #201) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:30 am
Postby Leonshade »
In post 3206, Vecna wrote:What special benefit do you give if youre loyal to someone if i might ask?
Me? Nothing. I pledged loyalty to key because he seemed to not know why to pledge loyalty to him either, so I figured that A) he's town B) there might be a secret benefit to pledging loyalty.
But I got nothing from my loyalty.
Creature wrote:idk, someone being converted from scum to another alignment isn't likely that he'll probably reveal his old scumpartners?
Hmm, that's true. Unless the Special Zone could have won with either town or scum? Maybe key was trying to help his buddies anyway?
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Post #3209 (isolation #202) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 5:32 am
Postby Leonshade »
In post 3207, BTD6_maker wrote:Painbringer's "gift" was not from Not Chara. It was from me.
Painbringer was Noble. I checked with the Mod, who explicitly confirmed that Painbringer was Noble, and flips are not guaranteed to be accurate (Remember CD?)
Anyway, I know that Painbringer was Noble because I was loyal to them. I can send gifts to the person I am loyal to.
Alisae, do you claim to have sent Painbringer any gift during Night 2?
Huh. There's so much under the hood in this game.
When did you pledge loyalty to Painbringer?
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Post #3309 (isolation #212) » Mon Jan 30, 2017 11:27 pm
Postby Leonshade »
Hmm. DiamondSentinel made sense for a vig, not as certain about Painbringer. They were acting weird, but I think that was explained by key's flip. Otherwise they were a pretty solid TR for me. Why did you vig PB?
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I believe that Chara knew Alisae could kill, it must have been why he scumread mal upon his claim.
THIS MAN UNDERSTANDS!
Doesn't mean you're not scum.
Though if you're scum, that means that scum has an NK and your vig. And that you consulted on your kills with a town player instead of just doing so independently.
At the same time, the above is WIFOM (scum could be planning for a fakeclaim etc.). I don't know that I have a reason to scumread you outside of you having a kill, so I'm half-tempted to leash your shot, especially since we can know when you get in your Knightmare (and thus could have mal shoot you if you did so when we asked you not to).
I'm conflicted. Maybe we let you live and lynch Klingon today?
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Post #3335 (isolation #216) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 6:55 am
Postby Leonshade »
Chara must've been convinced that Alisae was town to scumread mal based on his claim.
But Chara's reads weren't great this game so I'm not willing to sheep him, conftown or not.
I'll put the odds that both Alisae and mal are scum around zero, but I don't consider both being town impossible, not with the scum power we've seen thus far.
Only Alisae and I are confirmed living Knightmare users, but I believe that mal has a Knightmare as well. Even if Kallen was a fakeclaim, I don't think FA would have a Knightmare in a fakeclaim without actually having that character have a Knightmare. That's why I believe that mal not getting in his Knightmare, and hence not shooting Alisae, is NAI; he wouldn't have a reason to avoid doing so as scum after he's already fakeclaimed. mal is enough of a lurker that I believe him when he says he's too lazy/forgets to PM FA about getting in the knightmare.
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Post #3337 (isolation #217) » Tue Jan 31, 2017 7:41 am
Postby Leonshade »
If she doesn't get lynched, Klingon. If she does, not sure.
Did Chara give his Knightmare to anyone?
I'm also still bothered by the voteless/getting the vote back -thing. Maybe it was just related to someone pledging loyalty to Chara or something similar and I shouldn't worry too much about it.
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In post 3350, Leonshade wrote:It's either you or one of McMenno and Kain Tepes, provided that V.V. is in this game (and I assume he is).
why
@leonshade?
VOTE: klingoncelt
Without saying too much, I've managed to narrow everyone's flavor down with all the information available, and you two are the only ones left by PoE. (I don't know everyone's flavor, but I know who CAN'T be V.V.).
Between the two of you, I'm TRing so I suspect if V.V. is in this game, it's Creature. My vote on you is unrelated to my reads.
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Post #3391 (isolation #228) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:42 am
Postby Leonshade »
Klingon should be the lynch for the day. If there just so happens to be a player with the ability to dispel Geass abilities, I would recommend directing such an ability towards Creature tonight. At this point I think the third scum is Alisae.
Flavor spec:
Klingon = Charles
Creature = V.V.
Alisae = Either anti-freedom Suzaku or a fakeclaim for Bismarck Waldstein or similar.
If Klingon isn't scum, then either Charles isn't even in this game, or one of culted/Creature/McMenno is Charles.
V.V. is either Creature or McMenno, or not in the game (BTD6_Maker for a crackpot third possibility, but I really doubt it).
If Alisae is town, either davesaz or randomidget is the third scum.
Four scum + 3P in a 20p game makes sense, so I'm fairly confident in this theory.
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Post #3392 (isolation #229) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 1:46 am
Postby Leonshade »
In post 3390, Vecna wrote:Its pretty hard to decide between davesaz and KlingonCelt.
The fact Klingon is taking off this rapidly, and the fact Ive had a scumread on Davesaz all game makes it feel to me like were lynching the wrong one of the nobles.
The reason I don't want davesaz before Klingon is hat color. Davesaz never chose his hat color and it defaulted to pink. Female noble with Mtarianne and Cornelia dead makes the Euphemia claim believable, if only because we're running out of female evil nobles.
What have you been scumreading davesaz for? I'm scumreading Klingon for the bussing and evasiveness.
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Post #3403 (isolation #230) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:22 am
Postby Leonshade »
I'll respond to your points after my lecture but I think you're overthinking things, Vecna. Ocvam's razor says Britannian overlords, unless the major players flip freedom.
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In post 3403, Leonshade wrote:I'll respond to your points after my lecture but I think you're overthinking things, Vecna. Ocvam's razor says Britannian overlords, unless the major players flip freedom.
You might be right, but I happen to know that bismarck is highly likely to be freedom aligned.
Bismarck was just a name I stumbled onto while wiki-diving, if he's freedom-aligned then I dunno.
Huh, if you're talking about what I'm talking about, then I've got a new hole in my flavor spec. I was thinking something more orange.
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And I'm not sure if we're dealing with one or two factions.
Hmm, what makes you say so?
Just realized that even if Creature is V.V., he wouldn't have a Geass. Don't dispel him after all. Also realized that V.V. might also have a Knightmare.
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Post #3440 (isolation #239) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 4:51 am
Postby Leonshade »
An SK would be scum, but they wouldn't be factional mafia. Pretty sure Key's wincon would say "Mafia" if he was one. Doesn't mean he didn't have other people in his faction, but even if so, it's not the "mafia" faction.
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Post #3453 (isolation #242) » Wed Feb 01, 2017 8:34 am
Postby Leonshade »
In post 3448, Alisae wrote:Idunno why my knightmare name will tell you but okay
Lancelot.
My nation is Japan.
And I do have non vig abilities!
Can you explain why in post 2479 it says that joining the special zone will change your nation from "Honorary Britannian", a title exclusive to Suzaku, to "Japan"?
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Post #3548 (isolation #254) » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:58 am
Postby Leonshade »
In post 3545, Creature wrote:If we were to massclaim, is there something we need to remember?
I don't think we need a massclaim today, though I might be down for a mass flavorclaim at this point.
The counterpoint is what Vecna brought up about Frozen Angel running a game where scum used names to kill. Don't think that's the case here, but I want everyone to chip in if we want to play around the possibility.
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