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In post 32, Shadoweh wrote:Ooh, is this going to be a tops vs bottoms game? I'm rather partial to Russians myself but you know, whoever makes the best turkey dance to us turkies..
paging black sea-adjacent states: hey let's keep it clear
Done, I'm building an army.
It's interesting to see everyone joining up automatically with the people near them, it wasn't my first thought but actually it does make sense doesn't it.
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Post #74 (isolation #2) » Thu Mar 10, 2016 8:33 am
Postby Cephrir »
I guess it's going to be a lot like 12-player diplomacy at first maybe, except I guess you run into issues with some people who get to decide whether to be France or Germany etc
The South-Eastern Alliance of Prosperity and Nobility
This is an alliance created for the purposes of uniting not only Austria, but as much south-eastern land as possible! This will combat other alliances such as the Mediterranean, ENG/RUS+Scandanavian, and the North Pan-Germanic!
In post 176, OhGodMyLife wrote:I'm interested in instituting the anschluss, an accord between the north German-Low Countries alliance and the Austrian SE alliance. We're already going to be the targets from both north and south if these unweildy super alliances hold together.
I'm willing to do this.
PrivateI- There is no reason to not join us. We can eliminate you if you refuse and you do not have the same position. Please join us in the Austrian SE/Anschluss alliance!
oh dear is this really the sort of diplomacy i want to be the face of my group =_=
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Post #202 (isolation #12) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:05 am
Postby Cephrir »
Supporting Trieste this turn doesn't accomplish anything as long as Serbia doesn't decide to help Venice, which would be very stupid of Serbia, so I don't expect any such thing
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Post #206 (isolation #13) » Fri Mar 11, 2016 11:55 am
Postby Cephrir »
Please forgive my neighbor's lack of tact, we mean you no harm, and would like to offer you protection against the nations to your west if you would be so inclined in return for your assistance. This turn I don't think you're going to have to do anything at all.
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Post #250 (isolation #18) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 7:54 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 247, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:I am willing to support Turkish invasion of Bulgaria and I am kind of hoping for Serbian assistance in the matter as well.
I propose that Bulgaria immediately support Serbia to Greece
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Post #255 (isolation #21) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 8:45 am
Postby Cephrir »
Greece, do you really want to work against you rimmediate neighbors? Does that not strike you as an absolutely awful idea?
I think we should be working with Italy as well and they with us and that the Mediterranean alliance is really just a silly idea. It's so hard to play as any of the central powers, we all need each other
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Post #258 (isolation #22) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 9:00 am
Postby Cephrir »
@Ankara
: I'm sure it has not escaped your notice that you have full control of the Black Sea. Clearly, Russia is not going to be an option for us, so you have nothing to fear from that quarter. If you're interested, I am prepared to help you take and hold Sevastopol.
: If neither of you moves east this turn I don't see how Austria can possibly survive.
@Italy, particularly Venice
: Truce?
Is that on behalf of yourself and/or others? For me personally, I'm interested in hearing what you have to say. I am at the border of my current alliance - so I'd love to hear your terms.
I joined the Mediterranean because no one but Italy has propositioned me for anything yet.
@OGML Mun and Bella Vie - You seem concerned with your north more than the south. I'm open to keeping it that way.
All members of the agreement shall come to the aid of any fellow people group in time of need, as agreed upon in proposition 1.
Article 2
Any nation or people group adjacent to the Mediterranean have an open invitation to join the MABP until the end of the first phase of this first year, and in all subsequent years the agreement is open to those who request one or are offered one and only upon a majority vote, as agreed upon in Proposition 3.
Article 3
All propositions which a majority of MABP members agree to enact are to be enforced by all members of the Agreement, regardless of any private opposition, as agreed upon in Proposition 2.
We collectively lament Naples not building a fleet T_T
Yes- Greece, Tunis
No- None
Standing- 2/9, 5 to pass.
I'm thinking we need an executive power, to coordinate all our troop movements and maybe even our builds, I'm wondering if it should be just one of us, to be elected every year, or a committee of sorts, what do you all think?
Just put Venice for Yea on the agreed articles and a No on the open prop, and I'm a yea for an executive power even if it does mean that it's public.
It is, as I seem to have become the face of austria. My argument is essentially that all of us down here have bigger problems than each other right now and really don't need to give ourselves more problems. So if you want to worry about France and perhaps germany, I think we'd be all too happy to sit over here and worry about russia. Perhaps we can even help each other a bit, though with Naples having built an army that will be a bit more challenging.
You should help austria instead of listening to greece! I don't see what you have to gain by giving him Bulgaria honestly! Personally I'd love to see you either sit tight in preparation to help Bulgaria and myself, or team up with Bulgaria to murder greece for being antagonistic to us for no reason.
Buddy, I'm about to be hit from 2 fronts by Scandinavia and Russia. I don't know what you're smoking, but I've got no time for a war on any other front but against Russia.
Sure. I'm glad to hear it, I just haven't been paying too much attention to what your relations with Italy are. I'm all for beating the tar out of russia.
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Post #298 (isolation #26) » Sat Mar 12, 2016 12:58 pm
Postby Cephrir »
In post 268, Shadoweh wrote:It certainly hadn't escaped my notice, no. I admit making a house in Sev sounds tempting, but where would that leave you to go?
We don't have anything formal with Russia but I'm fairly sure they don't want to fight us right now.
Positionally, Bulgaria is very inconvenient for me, you understand. I can't just go through Con like a normal Turk.
I'm not too worried about what I would do after that, as at the moment my only objective is to prevent russia from killing me.
Budapest to Galacia
Munich to Silescia
Berlin to Prussia
We force Warsaw to make a choice. Fight with us against the russians, or die as we all support Budapest's troop into Warsaw.
I suggest
klick
to move in to take an abandoned Berlin if possible.
Warsaw
, if you try and move into one of the territories Germany is trying to invade, you'll both bounce back to the original territories which will put you out of harms way.
Which is why Budapest is needed to support the move to Galicia
Kiel could easily prevent such a move from denmark, who is probably not interested in screwing his relations with germany anyway
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Post #420 (isolation #29) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:01 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 376, Radja wrote:I have no clue who is working with who anymore.
Who wants to work with Sevastopol?
Also, Cephrir, why can't we be friends? </3
Because Breeze wants to move to Ukraine and you don't seem to have a problem with that. If you'd like to start having a problem with that, maybe we can be friends.
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Post #421 (isolation #30) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:04 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 400, TheBreeze wrote:Still planning on attacking Ukraine. Being there gives Radji +1 support in case he is attacked. Saw the post about supporting it, thanks man
Actually, you can support him from Moscow if you want to. There's no way this move can be interpreted as something other than an offensive against Budapest and myself.
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Post #425 (isolation #31) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 7:10 am
Postby Cephrir »
I don't quite get it -- Bulgaria has not been Mrs. Active but she does show up every now and then. Also the problem Turkey has with being unable to leave their area is unfortunately not going to go away no matter who holds it anyhow.
Either way, I would suggest that at this point it may be a problem for worrying about next turn regardless of your stance. No one would be able to hold their home territory as well as Bulgaria through winter.
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Post #434 (isolation #34) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 8:48 am
Postby Cephrir »
And I have no intention of working against anyone in the Austria region so long as they don't work against me first, but if mutually assured destruction is what you want, I will give it to you.
I don't percieve the groups that Breeze would like to divide us into as existing. We're having a slight misunderstanding down here, not a conflict. Certainly I don't think there's any evidence that Monty and Bella have an issue with me. Budapest's negotiation tactics are clearly born of inexperience and I think we all understand each other now. All I want is peace in the region while we worry about our borders.
In post 426, TheBreeze wrote:I had asked if anyone opposed the move to Ukraine and you didn't say anything, Cep
of course i oppose that. i didn't think i was being asked.
this is so disingenuous is really kind of pisses me off. You asked for Sev to support you there. Obviously, therefore, you knew that I opposed this move and would bounce you out if you did not prevent me from doing so. Your whole post exists to try to divide Austria so you can take advantage of us.
Eagle, please don't listen to this guy. He doesn't have your best interests at heart.
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Post #437 (isolation #36) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 9:00 am
Postby Cephrir »
OK. Thanks. I'll probably just sit out of you and Bulgaria working out your issues, then, and I'll happily work with whomever is left afterwards. (I hope that's all of you, but it's not really my problem)
In post 295, Cephrir wrote:You should help austria instead of listening to greece! I don't see what you have to gain by giving him Bulgaria honestly!
Personally I'd love to see you either sit tight in preparation to help Bulgaria and myself, or team up with Bulgaria to murder greece for being antagonistic to us for no reason.
And you have his best interests at heart huh?
The reality of the situation is that it's just not going to work out. Feel free to put on the facade that all of you guys are going to be united for a while let alone Year One but the area restricts you guys too much to build a genuine relationship. Eagle, feel free to tell Cep what he wants to hear so he doesn't turn on you for now but I take you as a logical player and that you will realize that you need to strike before others strike on you for an early elimination.
Nice try.
I didn't understand why he was against Bulgaria before. Now I do. And this is a game of unite or die. Or do you want to maintain the philosophy that one has to betray one's neighbors and tell that to your own neighbors?
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Post #543 (isolation #45) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:05 pm
Postby Cephrir »
I'm pondering who it makes more sense to give Warsaw to. It's a question of whether st Petersburg is willing to risk Sweden taking their hone center or not really.
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Post #554 (isolation #47) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 4:22 pm
Postby Cephrir »
In post 551, Bellaphant wrote:ogml, thank you for your approach: ceph, I feel a bit....put out at the idea of you 'giving' other territories away. Maybe we should chat about that. I was feeling pretty happy and also pleased with mario's support following through, so maybe I'm being over sensitive.
lld, thoughts?
What do you mean? Warsaw is russias. I'm proposing it be taken from them. Whether you or LLD gets it I think should be decided based on which way is more likely to succeed; do you disagree?
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Post #583 (isolation #49) » Sun Mar 13, 2016 6:16 pm
Postby Cephrir »
In post 575, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Greece will support Turkish invasion of Bulgaria this phase unless someone has a better proposal for me.
@cephrir we are willing to work with rumania and our those who make an effort to work with us. We would enjoy your support in this
My agenda this turn is to survive the imminent attack from russia. It's actually a pretty bad time for me for you guys to deal with your crap, because I really could use support from Bulgaria and Serbia this turn.
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Post #601 (isolation #50) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:07 am
Postby Cephrir »
Budapest, Serbia, Bulgaria: Can you support me to free up Vienna to take Warsaw?
Greece: can you hold your horses for one turn?
Shadoweh: hi hello let's be friends Sev is yours if you want it. Russia can't guarantee you Rum and Austria would be able to easily take it back anyway.
Fluminator edit:
Remember you can't edit posts. It would allow for people to break the game. Cephrir's edit was done right away to add the second part of his post so no harm was done, but everyone remember for the future.
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Post #602 (isolation #51) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:08 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 601, Cephrir wrote:Shadoweh: hi hello let's be friends Sev is yours if you want it. Russia can't guarantee you Rum and Austria would be able to easily take it back anyway.
It should be noted that I will be supporting you into Sev regardless of your response, and you're more likely to get it successfully if you don't state whether you actually are going to try to take it or not, as you want Moscow to waste its time attacking me.
In post 601, Cephrir wrote:Shadoweh: hi hello let's be friends Sev is yours if you want it. Russia can't guarantee you Rum and Austria would be able to easily take it back anyway.
It should be noted that I will be supporting you into Sev regardless of your response, and you're more likely to get it successfully if you don't state whether you actually are going to try to take it or not, as you want Moscow to waste its time attacking me.
And if you're worried about where to go after, perhaps we can work something out to convoy you into the ocean.
In post 601, Cephrir wrote:Budapest, Serbia, Bulgaria: Can you support me to free up Vienna to take Warsaw?
Greece: can you hold your horses for one turn?
Shadoweh: hi hello let's be friends Sev is yours if you want it. Russia can't guarantee you Rum and Austria would be able to easily take it back anyway.
*more
And yes, if you can guarantee me your support in taking Bulgaria afterwards.
The problem is, if I agree to that, Bulgaria doesn't have any incentive to do what I ask this turn
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Post #612 (isolation #55) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:12 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 611, Shadoweh wrote:I agree with Dan that Nyalite should move into the Aegean. There's not much reason to stay behind.
Ah, Sevestapool. I said something to this effect earlier but, what would I do once I was there? I can't move further into Russia with a fleet, and I'd hardly be able to support myself keeping it. It makes much more sense for us to fling Constantinople into Bulgaria like a bullet. I haven't done the math on whose armies are whose up there. What would happen without Bulgaria's support up there?
Like I said a page or two ago, I'd be willing to help toss you into the ocean at some point if that's your fancy. Or you could just use it to get a build in Ankara and move out from there.
If I don't have Bulgaria's support, I may be able to survive as long as I have Serbia's, but it would be at the risk of passing on Bella getting Warsaw unless you were to support me as well.
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Post #626 (isolation #58) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:46 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 618, Zulfy wrote:Actually Tunis, with north africa under your control you can make another fleet and patrol the mediterranean sea. I can see marseilles or venice or the turks needing Support at some point. You are in a good position to have all of that on lockdown
guys i really dont think a lot of you understand how supply centers work
north africa is no more useful than the ocean, you all do know that right
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Post #637 (isolation #59) » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:38 am
Postby Cephrir »
In post 628, Bellaphant wrote:@lld, I am happy to support at some point in the future, as long as it's not a suicide mission. I think I'm all about holding or supporting next turn anyway. @ceph, does the move into warsaw supported by lld still work for you?
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