Micro 830: DoY II: Plato's Symposium! Lyncher/Inquisitor Win

[Krazy]

Vote Carmen

Think that's the only slot I have no experience with. Haven't played with the Inferno head of the James hydra but I have played with James.

Why's no one talking? I was at work for four hours after game started and still managed to be first?

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Ok well no one is saying anything.

There's only one thing to do.

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IN TWO MORE POSTS I WILL BE TOP POSTER

BOW BEFORE ME MORTALS

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James:
On second thought
VOTE: Fish
#ducknation

AFTER A FIVE POINT ANALYSIS JAMES BRAFIN HYDRA IS 1000% TOWN

I AM GIVING INCREDIBLE READS

SUCH EFFORT #EFFORTPOSTING

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I AM NOW THE #1 TOP POSTER OF ALL TIME

of

ALLLLLL TIIIIIIIIIME

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My RVS is still on you so I guess he was imagining a 2 person scumteam, but yeah, that was kinda odd.

Trying to remember the last time I saw FA_Q do something cautious lol

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Lol asking for self meta on page 2?

Thats ballsy james

Id say the main thing is that I think I have a lot less presence as scum.

Hows that for wifom?

As for faq, I usually see him getting immediately tilted by almost anything and being highly aggressive so Im a bit confused why you are saying hes locktown. Have you experienced cautious faq?

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Do you prefer playing town or scum?

Town, at least when the town has the right dynamic.

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Who made up these lies.

I've seen you have some exceptional games and some misses.

I would say you're more consistently confident in your reads than always correct. You're like the pleasant, fun-to-play-with version of [redacted name of overconfident player goes here]

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I'm Kanye West.

Well, I'm the Kanye West of Platonic dialogues.

Do you need flavor names or what part of flavor?

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I am one of the following:

Gorgias, the Orator
Pausanias, the Inventor
or
Polermarchus, the Hospitable

If you already know the role name then you know which one is real!

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Because there's no guarantee Maria is the only one with flavor-name related mechanics. If Maria says she already has the real name, then there is no reason to tell a potential third party or scum the real flavor name.

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Or maybe my real flavor name IS Kanye West... WHO CAN SAY?!

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Now I want to make a theme game where everyone is different versions of Kanye

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But if I get lynched how can I ORATE/INVENT/HOSPITALIZE you tonight?

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Carca whats your town game look like? Ive only seen your scumplay

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It's a bastard, this game could have ended in pre-game LOL

Carmen what do you think of FA_Q? tbh his unvote post bothered me. But I also don't have a great track record in reading him. Usually I incorrectly scumread him because he's too aggressive. Now I'm scumreading him because he's too passive. But maybe he's just always scummy? idk

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Krazy and FA looks very town to me from recent scum meta

And yeah I don't mind massclaiming flavor

I guess the thing that most puzzles me here is by what metric FA is town here

I don't know that FA is lockscum for me but I don't understand how Carca reaches this conclusion based on meta

Carca are you making up meta or is there actually something you're thinking of here?

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I'm thinking about Carca.

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I'm a little worried she's too scummy to be scum here, but don't hold me to that.

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Is it possible your game has any of the following bastard roles or mechanics? Indeed, this will be bastard.

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BEF is a gut scumlean but I have no doubts I can clarify that better given time.

I don't think BEF votes me in RVS as scum tbh

it's possible he wants to come at me more aggressively this time, but I wouldn't count on it

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I lynched him fairly recently in a recently completed game and I think the manner in which I did so left an impression.

I keep wanting to do this and now I think I'm going to do it

Vote FA_Q

Hope he's not like Profii and is just someone I'm always thinking is scum but never is

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If you think you're going to get a higher post count than me this game Carmen I can tell you right now I won't let it happen. No can do

You said two things I'm not sure on but I've liked some other stuff you've said so I'd say you're toward the middle of my list atm

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It could be I'm really egotistical. Or maybe he thinks I'll townread him for having the balls to vote me. I'm open minded, although I had him in my top 3 for likely town.

Where does your gutscumlean come from?

Also what do you think of FA's double voting?

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No, no real impression. I don't actually recall which game that was.

sorry going kinda stream of consciousness atm, the first part about the RVS vote was about BEF

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Double voting in 7 player game = confirmed third party

amright?

Like I'm not 100% on FA_Q being scum but I do think he could be like a survivor or serial killer or something. he doesn't taste like town this game

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cause he's not paying enough attention to realize the first part was about BEF?

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Like I don't know how to put this but any game where I don't have the impression FA thinks i'm a motherf'r at this point makes me think he's scum

he just seems to get so immediately frustrated and flustered with people when he's town whereas here he seems more like "oh huh people are like talking about me well that's cool"

his tone is not town FAQ

Like I don't hate carca for scum, she's in my bottom 3 atm, but do you wanna join me on FAQ wagon? I think we can push him thru today and be better off for it

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@Mod I'd like to

drop a hammer on FA_Q

that should instantly lynch him right?

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I might come around to Carca but right now FA_Q has a stronger scum stench

btw what's your avi from?

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I do have an alt, but I guess it doesn't matter if you didn't already make that connection which somewhat disrupts my read of you.

OK well BEF -- would you like to join me on FA_Q?

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Kinda weird that you didn't notice tbh, you must not have read any of the dead thread lol

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Day 1 begins now and will last until a hammer is dropped

I mean it's right there in the opening post. Drop a hammer and the day ends, ez

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Kinda weird that you didn't notice tbh, you must not have read any of the dead thread lol

ebwop - this was @bef

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This is my main reference point for FA_Q -- viewtopic.php?t=77101&f=2&st=0&sk=t&sd= ... er_sort=Go

know what I don't see there?

a single unvote

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Mafia is just like an exam for me, once it's over I forget everything I learned for it and just move on to the next.

wait so are you roleplaying a fish or are you a fish roleplaying as a human?

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join me maria!

together we can lynch scum!

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I'm sorry, once I do the Together image there's no turning back

It's not been proven as many times as the Scrubs geriatric dancing gif, but it's been good to me so far

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By the way, BEF's latest two posts don't do him any favors.

I mean I don't disagree, now I have to ignore his RVS vote

I don't know he's scum here but he's not as solidly in my top 3 town anymore

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You do make a compelling point Maria

don't you usually post more anime girl gifs as town by now?

This is alarming. very alarming

you can tell how alarmed I am by the lack of punctuation

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Does that mean I have successfully defended my spot as top poster for now?

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You don't have to townread me you just have to vote FA_Q

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Actually I usually kill people scumreading me

I pretty much straight open wolf as scum. which is one of the reasons I get destroyed every time anyone sheeps a dead person on a scumread of me lolol

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Then I'd say you're wrong lol

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Just think, if FA_Q is scum he could self-hammer right now!

Now that's scum utility right there!

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There might not have been a single unvote but he did have 2 of 3 scum reads correct on D1 before he was lynched...

so are you fossing Carmen or what?

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Since this game is bastard, I am FOSing just about everyone right now.

ok but you are still currently voting me from your RVS so am I your top scumread or are you just totally lost?

If you're just totally lost, well then, I can suggest a better wagon for you to join my friend

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You don't seem to care for my reasons, you don't seem to care for my sudden read switch or for convincing me that you're town, and you don't even

really

seem to care for convincing me that FA is scum outside of just directly asking me to vote there with you.

it sounded like you were logging off tbh

I thought you were voting BEF because you wanted to put your vote on a secondary read while you passed out or something

ok I'll bite: "why the bef vote?"

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But you still seem a little indolent to me.

you think I'm lazy?

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I don't think this response ever comes from town

well you can be wrong about that too

if you think town responds with anything other than "you're wrong" to a "you're scum" accusation with 0 explanation then I don't know what you expect when you play this game.

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I took it off because it was a pure RVS vote. Maybe it was placed correctly out of luck, but I can always throw it back if the situation arises.

so you looked at FA_Q's game there and noticed he had good reads, but didn't comment on the lack of an unvote and the lack of caution

the lack of caution is what is what I focus on. He is an aggressive, highly reactionary player as town

and he doesn't seem to be that way here

maybe it's because he's a double voter

or maybe it's because he's scum or third party

but what do you actually think of his reads in this game, and what do you think of his tonality in this game?

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Generally yes, but since this game is bastard it takes a little longer for my intuition to take hold

but why

all bastard means is that there are no limits on roles and the mod can change the rules

but players *right now* have been told they have certain roles. so until the mod *does something bastard* this is just a normal closed setup game

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I don't think this response ever comes from town

well you can be wrong about that too

if you think town responds with anything other than "you're wrong" to a "you're scum" accusation with 0 explanation then I don't know what you expect when you play this game.

How about a "why do you think that"? How about a "what changed your mind it seemed like you had an entirely different opinion mere minutes ago"? How about a "you've described reasons to scumread FA, why not vote him"?

All reasonable questions.

I'm not going to flip out because I'm your #3 scumread in a 7 player game. You weren't voting FA because you wanted either Carca or BEF. I didn't need to ask because the answers to those questions was already established. Why do you think I would ask you questions to answers I already have a pretty clear sense of the answer to? I feel like you're trying to create wifom out of nothing for no good reason which, sadly, is something I see way more often from town

the exception is the duck. he loves convoluted wifom as scum

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If FA's claim of being Socrates is to be believed, that could put him as a Lover/tragic lover in regards to Platos Symposium.

so you're townreading someone because you like his flavor name and are into setup spec about roles that you don't even know are in the game?

AND UH WTF IF HES A TRAGIC LOVER THEN SHOULDNT YOU WANT TO LYNCH HIM?

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that's a terrible mentality. we have exactly as much time as we have until we decide on a lynch. the dayphase lasts as long as we decide, the timer is only there to keep it from turning into absurdity

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This is such a strangely muted and reserved response for FAQ.

Are you annoyed I caught you so quickly?

but not really that annoyed because you don't care about scum games that much?

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I have not even yet begun to 'bother'

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Did I put someone at L-1 on the first page in RVS?

No, no I didn't. As soon as I explained the post you immediately went into lynch mode. And assuming 3p? Based on what?

I'm not assuming 3p, I'm assuming not-town

and you yourself are the one who said you put Carmen at L-1

and then you said you unvoted BECAUSE Carmen was at L-1

so what are you even talking about?

I went into lynch mode because I've never seen you unvote without a new candidate to lynch and it's fucking weird to see you seeming to 'rethink' the game when usually you're like 'yargh let's lynch this person'

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Where is Carmen?

Still want FA_Q here but where the hell did everyone go

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I haven't played with scum FA and sure, the inactivity in consistent, the tone is a little different so I have some slight doubts. Idk I'm pretty fenced on them, but I won't deny a lynch to keep the game going.

If you want FA_Q to hardclaim I think you need to say so. This reads like you're debating ITH to me but I'm not sure he would treat it that way

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Can someone ITH FA_Q and get a claim before we all forget this game exists?

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Well snikeys I'm at L-1

Who have I buddied here other than Maria? And even there idk, more vote corralling imo

Anyway I can point you to at least two games where I play fairly similar to this as town and, while I'm not really objective on this, I don't think I play exactly like this as scum

I guess you think I'm treating Maria here like... Not_Mafia in DoP? idk what is the analogue that you're seeing?

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on the one hand, I'm tempted to dish out some juicy twilight wifom

on the other hand, I think Ari might be asleep so it might be hours before a lock lol

while I like the game moving forward, lowkey surprised BEF dropped the hammer with no ITH

although i guess I've never actually seen him give intent since the last time we played he just self-hammered as scum lol

part of me feels like I should scumread him for that hammer but part of me is more relieved he hammered the person that wasn't me

guess we'll just have to tell him to be town protective and doc me tonight so that scum can't kill me over this post I'm making right now kekekekeke

@mod, please change BEF's role to TOWN DOCTOR and have him protect me tonight ok?

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Don't shoot the James hydra, beyond that I would need to know FA_Q's flip to give a strong recommendation on target for kill.

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Hmm if you flip town I'd say there scum in BEF, Carmen, and Carca. Maria says Carmen and Carca are town, so BEF could be scum, wouldn't mind that.

I don't have a preponderance of scumreads and the last time I had this sense of unease Maria ended up flipping scum, so that there is some paranoia there.

But I'd say BEF > Carmen > Carca > Maria is my probably wrong lynch order

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Well I'm town here so I will never get mislynched. The only way I get lynched is if I'm actually scum, or the game is unwinnable anyway. But yeah if you nightkill me I flip town.

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Carmen is Beyonce



Yeah, that explains my paranoia about Maria

Think my lynch order from yesterday was still pretty close to correct

VOTE: BEF

there's something else I think I'm supposed to crumb atm but I can't think of a good way to do it. idk can you think of anything worth crumbing jameshydra?

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Carmen do you really not get it?

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Could rephrase that as "did you really not get it"?

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If I'm Kanye, and you're Beyonce, what do I think you should have and could give you?

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I mean, sure, I can respect that, but why wouldn't it?

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Okay, but now you know what I did last night, and you know it wasn't a failed nightkill. Are you imagining a 2 man scum team in addition to the lyncher in a 7p game?

do you townread BEF?

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and you think I would make that argument if you could ask the mod and confirm scum are multitasking?

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I have this feeling that you're just awful at reading me and not actually scum but I have to keep an open mind on that front

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Did I say you were scum?

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who am I voting atm?

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OK, and why, at present, should I believe that BEF?

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My crumbs are not a guilty on you, you're simply at the top of my PoE. Why is Carmen a better lynch today than you?

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OK, so why is Carcalilly scum then? Because I'm not going to be sold on JamesHydra scum tbh

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Well I'm Phaedrus, Town Macho so that leaves Carmen and Carcalily.

Like, I've now played multiple recent games with BEF, and this is a scumclaim

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BEF is actually easiest to read in the context of a claim.

When he is scum it's always "oh shit I'm confirmed town because of this shitty claim for reasons that don't really make sense but fuck doesn't my role sound townie?" when it never does and it's never clear why he would think it would

and then when he's town it's "listen everyone this one person is scum so I'm making sure we're locked into a 1v1"

like his role doesn't even make sense here, there's no reason to think it would influence his alignment, but that weird, nonsensical overconfidence--that is exactly what he does as scum

Unfortunately I can't link the perfect example of this because the best game I'm thinking about is still finishing up but trust me, I know how to read BEF, and he is scum here

Basically, if the role sounds like pure nonsense, and his treatment of the role sounds like pure nonsense, that = scum

if the role sounds like nonsense *but it aggressively pushes town toward his top scumread* then that is when he is town

and if he was actually macho, he would just say he's macho, he wouldn't try to make it seem like that should clear him or something

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Carca what do you think of BEF here?

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Three scenarios:
A) BEF is solo scum -- would explain his activity and presence which is slightly above average for either alignment

B) BEF is scum with Carmen -- straight up hard defending her, refuses to vote her. BEF does tend to open wolf somewhat as scum, so not unlikely

C) BEF is scum with Carca -- voting her after minimal pressure and realization that I won't be an easy mislynch... possible, but less likely

I'd say A > B > C

Carmen's weird lack of reaction to my night action (which, for intensive purposes here, we could just think of as loud/fruit vending, since she knows I visited her) also is factoring into my thought process here perhaps.

would like to hear Carca's reads

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I gave her an idol lol

I give people idols, I kinda decided on the kanye/beyonce crumb almost as soon as I saw the role so that's why I led with that meme

tonight she can neighborize someone, which means that first my night action to her is confirmed, and then her night action can be cross-confirmed with someone else

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I'm not actually sure the Pausanias in the dialogue is the geographer but yeah the relation of the flavor to the role mechanics kinda surprised me lol

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you seem to be fishing for mislynches: you don’t care who we lynch, so long as it ain’t you.

dingdingding

whenever you're ready James lol

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>Vote count confirms that BEF is at l-1
>Carcalilly is elsewhere on the site but not posting in this thread

well that's interesting to think about.

if there is a 2 man scumteam, it would seem to have to be BEF+Carca at this point imo

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Most likely scenario is still just BEF is last scum on his own tho imo

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That's absurd. If you were town, it would have to be James + Carmen, and I don't buy that for a minute. Or there's only one scum and it's fucking Carmen and she replaced out. That's the only other scenario that seems realistic to me at this point

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Carmen where the fuck have you been?

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Sorry James

You did read me correctly

I was recruited last night

So I *was town*... yesterday

[Krazy]

Thems the bones in Bastard games...

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btw, Carca, WTF was with not hammering immediately?! LOLWAT

[Krazy]

Who had a PT?

I never got a PT 0.o

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Ari have you been holding out on me with a scum PT?

Pretty sure if there was a scum PT it would be 2 pages of me just typing "HAMMER ALREADY" over and over again

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I know James, I loved you too <3 <3 <3