Micro 895: Think Twice (Thanks for Playing!)

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ok VOTE: Saudade

WOW L-1 already!

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Saudade is the godfather

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that's not very positive.

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tris I know you are here why are you afraid to post

I was doing other things

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i like math

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Did you know that out of all the universes, our universe has the lowest possible value for the number Pi?

what?

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Did you know that every convex up function on (a,b) MUST also be continuous BUT if the function is convex up on [a,b] , then the function is not necessarily continuous ?

This seems counter-intuitive

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neither

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why do you think i'm scum?

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Before I called you out you were coming to the thread and kind of awkward replying to our convo instead of actually joining it or commenting about any of our posts that might be AI

More for the awkward thing to be fair

I'm not a very fast processor of information.

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also, i'm an awkward person

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when I feel like I need to be town read no matter what I link you the game

my scum vs town play is really day/night

I think I don't need meta to be obvtown though

how are you obvtown

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i'll try to make sure to be obvtown this game

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uh, he is at L-2

pedit:oh

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In post 57, Volpe14 wrote:
when I feel like I need to be town read no matter what I link you the game

my scum vs town play is really day/night

I think I don't need meta to be obvtown though


how are you obvtown

I clearly meant that I'll somewhat spew my alignment as the day goes on, not that I'm obvtown right now

how did you misunderstand that?

oh i see. i thought you were saying you should be being townread with or without linking the game.

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I have never played with saudade. no idea

i don't think the "intent to hammer" is scummy. so no read there either

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do you have any feelings about my slot in that case?

Somehow, I missed you saying this right after I posted.

you might be town. you look like you're trying to read me

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What do you think about Volpe's stronk start this game?

Awesome.

do you have any feelings about my slot in that case?

Somehow, I missed you saying this right after I posted.

you might be town. you look like you're trying to read me

A generic take but understandable in this stage

Tris be honest or I'm gonna find out, do you enjoy more being town or scum? Or you've no preference?

I much much much much prefer being town.

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Hi, Elements. Sorry, for screwing up the Lovers game.

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tris can also go either way. Significantly less questions then in lovers. not sure if that's AI, but if it is I'm thinking scum tris

I think it's because hasn't been much i've found to respond to in this game.


I like this entrance.

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eth0s is either the most transparent player in the game or i can't read him at this current time

how transparent?

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i don't know what you mean by transparent in this context?

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i didn't mean for there to be a question mark there

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Quickhammering is also equal to getting insta-lynched in Day 2 regardless of flips so no /funsies

idk not a huge fan of this post and then later unvoting saudade while still calling him out

if someone hammered THAT early in the game i think the flip would actually have been pretty good for reading the hammerer. Why would scum lynch their own buddy that early on?

But, on the other hand, if town quickhammers town there, they'll probably get lynched the next day, and we'll lose. Kind of like what happened in the game we were in together.

[/quote]As far as the tinfoil idea that pops into my mind of a volpe/saudade team goes, I wouldnt think goon!volpe would even put gf!saudade to L-1.[/quote]
not even with a warning not to hammer?

Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

why does he get to be town rather than null?

Not loving elements so far.

why's that?
in my case, i like how he's approached his read on me so far

No one should particularly love me either since I have one real post and it revolves around tinfoil. So I'll give elements the benefit of the doubt since I don't really feel much to respond to either.

However I want him to keep true to 116 rather than just wait around to "be impressed" I guess you could say.

VOTE: elements

didn't he follow up on that in 119?

tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

what was that thing? unless you're holding it back to try to continue to read me.

She can be town for now too. But I would like more activity from her as well. Now that we are all here and at least posted some sort of opinions I'd like to know if anything particularly sticks out to them so far.

I don't think a read list is necessarily needed but any perceived meta changes/similarities, valid/invalid points, basically just anything to help form reads and get the ball rolling would be nice.

now, that you've allowed 3 people to be town, which do you think is actually scum?

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see look elements! i'm asking questions!

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I don't know what to think about Saudade yet at all

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I much much much much prefer being town.

Gun to your head, one main difference between your town vs scum play?

I think when I'm town, i'm more likely to just do things or state things without justifying it. i'm more direct with my statements. particularly in the later game. i'm not sure if that's entirely accurate, but something along those lines. i don't know if i'm describing it properly. i think i generally tend to be a mess as scum in the late game.

I played a micro some time ago, and there was a sudden lolhammer, on town, from town. I loved it there since I was scum but I don't want to entertain the idea of happening here.

this is exactly what happened in the game me and ethos played in together. i was scum there, so that worked out great.

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Aside from this paranoid situation I think volpe seems town in a vacuum. And saudade can be town for now until I figure out what the big deal about him is.

why does he get to be town rather than null?

which one

obviously saudade

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now, that you've allowed 3 people to be town, which do you think is actually scum?

gun to your head

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Although to be honest I now realize I meant to add another point after the whole "why would scum lynch their buddy early on" bringing about the perspective that, yeah, a townflip there means the hammerer is probably scum. And in that case I would assume it's the goon with a deepwolf gf

but, a town quickhammer is going to be on town 3/5 of the time. when a townie quickhammers that early they have very little idea who is actually the mafia. that's why it's good to warn against a quickhammer.

saudade gets to be town rather than null because I am saying that I think he's town because of his approach the game so far. Yet people were making a big deal about him on page one so I'm thinking there is some meta about him that I don't yet know and will find out

i don't think he's really done much so far despite all the posts.

@Elements, could you also tell us why you think Saudade town?

Pedit: i'll think of something

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who would be your mafia partner if you had one?

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that wild guess aside tris why does it feel like you're asking questions for the sake of asking them?

the tone just seems so... mechanical

i get that a lot

jesus christ really

No, I was being sarcastic

?????????

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jesus christ really

No, I was being sarcastic

This was the sarcasm

I was skim reading on my phone when I posted and missed the context post above

why did you say you were being sarcastic then?

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that wild guess aside tris why does it feel like you're asking questions for the sake of asking them?

My experience with town tris is that she asks lots of questions which I've already said and she's picked up on. So is it town tris in this scenario or scum tris trying to look town with questions. I'm going for the latter given there have been so many non question posts from her.
VOTE: tris

i ask questions when i'm scum too.

why would also having non-questions mean i'm scum?

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I still don't know how to read Saudade.

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do you want to put your vote back on him?

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oh i'm at L-1 i just realized

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i wasn't asking you to unvote, (well i was asking you to vote for saudade i guess) i was just pointing out that i'm at L-1 in case someone hadn't noticed because i hadn't realized.

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Oh no i've been lynched!

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Didn't you say you'd do that if someone quicklynches town?

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where did you go elements??

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Spoiler:

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i was hoping to be able to talk to elements more.

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i sure hope you're town

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tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

Anyone disagrees with that?

if yes why?

I think I understand where town!you would feel that way but I'm not sure I agree. Saudade kinda beat me to it but I have other reasons to be less certain on tris now

So, you've changed your mind between these? Want to explain your reasons at either point?

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I feel that she was reactive yes but I also felt that although she was being rhetorical, she was being non rethorical enough to not look like scum asking pointless things/interactions to try looking productive, which is exactly the behavior that I would assume scum!tris has here although I need to check her games before getting solid on it

Eh based on what little I know of her meta the lines of questioning actually rub me the wrong way.

have you seen town me?

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you do happen to be the person that if i had to lynch right now it would be you

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So far volpe seems town

my reads on elements and ethos are in progress depending on how they respond to things

you, i don't know what to think about. so in the absence of a stronger scumread somewhere else, that's what i'd do.

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do you think volpe is town?

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Saudade/eth0s look either SvS or TvT but not much likely SvT or TvS

Doesn't this imply that it's either me/elements or Saudade/ethos fypov?

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i don't really see why one of them can't be scum without the other.

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But I also am saying that/pushing that to see how people are gonna react

why are you saying this before others react?

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tris is my null read but my gut leans scum on that overall

Disregard this completely. I thought this was similar to scum!tris play in micro 883 but it is actually like polar opposite I think.

For context that is my only game with her before this one (I think)

Anyone disagrees with that?

if yes why?

I think I understand where town!you would feel that way but I'm not sure I agree. Saudade kinda beat me to it but I have other reasons to be less certain on tris now

So, you've changed your mind between these? Want to explain your reasons at either point?

You started playing like you did in your scum game and it felt forced

i am asking this because i want to understand how you're comparing me to my play there. why did you earlier decide i was the polar opposite of my play there, and why is my play now similar?

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ok, i'm leaning towards ethos town now.

fyi, i ask questions a lot as both alignments. see 113 where elements was actually considering me as maybe scum for having less questions at the time. because he had played a game with me where i was town and asked lots of questions.

i'll focus more on saudade v volpe later

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I do have to wonder why you would let the beginning of the game go by without making any stances or doing, well, anything AI. I think that could be the kind of play that comes from the godfather. However I need to consider how strongly I feel there.

I just didn't have much opinions at first

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I know elements is V/LA but this day should NOT end until he comes back and gives some input on what's going on.

And I don't mean a line or two I want to see specifically what he agrees with, what he disagrees with, and original opinions he has formed from the last couple of days of discussion.

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so, elements/volpe

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yeah

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you lynched town (presumably)

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i wish i had come in here earlier because i was thinking of changing my vote

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i'm a little upset because i think i was going to move off him

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the important thing for me is that i townread ethos which leaves you and volpe scum

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i doesn't make you automatically scum. but, i think you might have done it because you saw people's opinions turning against you and wanted to ensure this mislynch happened

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it's important to note that tomorrow is lylo

pedit:what do you want me to answer?

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if I understand correctly there is no night kill and I get to live another day

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I fail to see why lynching town day one in this set up would be such a catastrophe

This

it's not a catastrophe if we then lynch mafia, but it's preferable to lynch mafia of course

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my question to you is why did you decide to do it?

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guess who im going to be voting tomorrow

i'll note that he didn't say you even though one might assume. i actually wonder if his answer here is me.

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If we lynch scum day 1: One lot of day interactions + wifom on the wagon

but then we have two chances to find the godfather. or we just won because we lynched the godfather

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guess who im going to be voting tomorrow

i'll note that he didn't say you even though one might assume. i actually wonder if his answer here is me.

The answer should be no one until we've all decided on a target

yes of course. although really it comes down who saudade will vote for.

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are you saying you intentionally lynched town?

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why did you flip him?

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i was just taking him at his word there. it's possible he's trolling. we'll find out

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oh, i read a game with nibbui in it once. i don't really remember what she was like in there though.

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i actually do think that the game could have turned to an elements lynch there. let me see if that holds up or if i'm just thinking of my own thoughts of possibly changing my vote to there.

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i definitely agree with the team being elements/volpe since i townread ethos.

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volpe changes her avatar so frequently!

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i think i was basing that idea on the fact that saudade was showing indications of possibly moving onto elements

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I haven't read all this yet, but should i hammer?

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he is confirmed scum at this point since everyone has had a chance to hammer, i don't know if there's a reason i should hold off on ending the day right now.

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VOTE: elements

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what?

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did you just say you're going to instavote me?

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I'm not gonna defend myself against such loose logic especially when tris is gonna come in and say shit like "I didn't read the game but let's lynch eth0s for doing exactly what I did even though his reasoning for it is way better than mine!"

why do you think i would do that????

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i just caught up right now and saw that

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why are you assuming i'll take menalque's side?

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Like if tris is deepwolfing her stance on both of our cases is the biggest clue there because I think if shes scum she just feels comfortable now seeing the two of us just go after each other, saudade do jack shit, and now she feels 0 pressure and can just platantly say shit like "lets lynch eth0s" without reading the game or interacting with anything

i hadn't caught up yet.

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i feel like you're reaction testing me or something

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why are you assuming i'll take menalque's side?

I interpretted this entirely the wrong way

he is confirmed scum at this point since everyone has had a chance to hammer, i don't know if there's a reason i should hold off on ending the day right now.

I thought you were saying I was confirmed scum for not hammering when I had the chance to

Sorry. Having 50 posts in a row from mena accusing me of being scum for really bad reasons just made me assume you were talking about me for some reason

oh i see
i was so confused.

i feel like you're reaction testing me or something

No, I'm just stupid

but I do want to hear your thoughts on... everything?

you continue to make posts that i think come from town. like 401 shows that you were thinking about how you would have been open to reconsider on me which demonstrates you were thinking from the perspective of a town.

i don't buy menalque's arguments for you being mafia.

disregard as in know that I'm not going to do it, feel free to talk about it and why you think I would say that if you want.

well it initially threw me through a loop because it was the first thing you were saying that didn't make sense to me(except i guess meta that i don't know about). i was wondering if you actually were mafia and it was some weird gambit. but, now i think your actions around it have been very towny. although i guess mafia could also be frustrated that the towny they thought they had pocketed was inexplicable turning on them.

but, yeah i'm still leaning towards you town. i'll try talking to menalque about it of course.

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oh menalque, i forget what game we were in together

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@menalque i'm townreading ethos for more than his read progression on me. i'd say that's a small part of the read. he keeps again and again making making posts that i feel are towny. i'll make a list

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We were in haunted village together

oh right. you were in a hydra there

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I guess as far as specific posts it was mostly just these two.

I know elements is V/LA but this day should NOT end until he comes back and gives some input on what's going on.

And I don't mean a line or two I want to see specifically what he agrees with, what he disagrees with, and original opinions he has formed from the last couple of days of discussion.

Mena you're picking the wrong person to try and mislynch here

I mean that in a purely factual way, not like an egotistical I cannot be lynched way

I thought there were more that stood out to me. but, i think in general his progression through the game seemed natural. i'll see if i can come up with some questions about specific parts. another thing is, i don't see why elements would need to ensure saudade gets lynched if ethos is gf. people were saying they townread ethos.

Pedit: time to read what ethos is posting there

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@ethos how would you say your read has progressed on me after i interrogated you about?

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@menalque could you give a summery of your case on ethos? it hasn't made sense to me.

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I don't really have time to hard sort this tonight but I might tomorrow afternoon

good to see that your "yeah, I'm gonna go reevaluate the game" was literally just "I'm gonna go case your predecessor" eth0s

that's cool of u

i'll talk to you then

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not hammering

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i don't see why elements would need to ensure saudade gets lynched if ethos is gf. people were saying they townread ethos.

i'd like a response to this from menalque

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are you done watching your movie?

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would also like the time to respond to eth0s' case on me because I think some of it is a steaming pile of horseshit

when is this going to be?

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colorful

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i'll focus on this later

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sorry for the delay. i'm a little busy right now. i'll be available later today

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I think I'm actually starting to lean towards voting ethos now

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VOTE: menalque

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Thank goodness

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Ooi, what was it that made you vote me in the end tris?

Also thanks for modding chem

townreading ethos. I got the overall sense that everything he was doing came from town. i didn't see the plan you were arguing he had was the most likely explanation. it was possible, but i thought is was more likely he was just town. one thing that helped towards the end was that he was getting upset, not just with me, but with saudade. i believed that was real frustration. me saying i was leaning towards voting ethos there was actually a lie, by the way.

also i decided volpe was scum. that was something i had started to suspect before ethos was arguing for it, and so that helped me feel like those feelings were accurate and not just something i had been convinced of.

when i skimmed some of your meta, it seemed you hadn't been in very many scum games, especially in this position, so i didn't buy the argument that you wouldn't be capable of putting up a fight like this.

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In hindsight disgusting tactical replacement by volpe

yeah this is the main reason I was so frustrated. I knew my case was solid and she just left with very poor reasoning.

saudade and tris, sorry for being an ass but this game got to me

mena too, but I think our arguments were more in the spirit of the game esp once you voted me and I knew I was right lol

no problem