Micro 906 | Dayvig Deactivators | Game Over!

[RadiantCowbells]

Hi I'm here but I won't be properly here til tomorrow night

Do not dayvig early no matter what

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Also there's literally no point in voting people rn

Don't

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If scum is eve Alimdia they can qh fdse and win

Don't enable that

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Unrelatedly hard townreading Eve for ~reasons~ for now

Leaning Fdse town but I would be 0% surprised at this point if that slot ended up being scum

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Eve feels genuinely gamesolvey up to now

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I am leaning town on you but I do not think your iso up to now is especially hard to fake

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I think all of that is essentially meaningless.

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If I were scum my game plan here would be to loudly post about how I and only I am good enough to have the dayvig and antagonize everyone else until someone takes a dayvig shot and then claim myself cleared because I was clearly trying to get the shot a la Albert b rampage

I really don't think words around the dayvig mean anything.

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Doubt ir

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Like I expect this list especially to be way too quick to townread people for virtue signalling about their willingness to shoot rather than the opposite

I think if this was a different lobby I'd open very differently with an analytically correct entrance but I think it's more important for me to clear myself than anything else

I've considered just lolvigging to ensure I live D1 and my reads can be trusted but I'd at least like to shoot someone I think is gonna flip scum

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There's a little more finesse to it than that but yes I fundamentally agree

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You will see

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that was a pretty terrible post

1) we are going to play around mechanical autowin for scum. Avoiding that isn't being fun ruiners. The fun ends if scum quickhammers.

2) The way that you loudly announce what you would do as Godfather makes me think that you are the godfather and "how you look like you're painstakingly overthinking things" doesn't help that feeling.

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Happy birthday Amrun's husband

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I might have overreacted anyway, dw about it.

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His name is dragonempire and don't you forget it

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We're having the scummiest player shoot the second scummiest but with a few scumteam considerations

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There's literally no reason to have an already townread slot shoot, it essentially gives us a mislynch to use it as a cop

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His name is DragonEmpire until further notice

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Is that all you have to add Amrun

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Why would you shoot FDSE? You haven't given any sort of explanation for that read

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Currently think that scum is Amrun godfather Fsde goon

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Although Alimdia could certainly replace Fsde's slot, I just moreso feel like Amrun is the godfather and the way that Fsde decided that everyone who has posted wasn't godfather makes me think he's the buddy

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Not 1 of Amrun's posts gives me the slightest gamesolving feels and she explicitly feels like she's trying to go down low to me

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More sure that Eve is town than Dragon but townreading both

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There's also anti partner tells between Fsde Alimdia I think

So yeah I think Amrun is scum

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I would like to have as much time as possible to scumhunt with the added information for the Lynch as opposed to getting two flips and having to speedvote someone

Can we all agree to have Amrun shoot if she's town and I'll vig her if she doesn't at 3 days on deadline?

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Actually I think I take that back again

Assuning Amrun is scum I'd say it's DragonEmpire or Alimdia

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But uh I guess this is a waste of time preflip

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Do you have anything to say about me wanting you to shoot or any reads on anyone else? Your play this game is incredibly underwhelming

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I kinda feel like I'm playing into the void...

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Tempted to just shoot.

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I'm reasonably confident that if you're town DragonEmpire is not but I would be okay with you shooting anyone besides Eve since if I'm wrong on you I need a full reset etc.

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I'm going to take it as you claiming scum sometime around 3 days on deadline so.

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If I end up losing this game because none of y'all can be assed to try I'm going to be not very happy with you

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What are your reads on everyone else

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ok...

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why is Amrun towny

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Pedit: Yes. I agree. Reasonably we can sort it down to the last three who have not posted. I do not know why, but I have had this sneaking suspicion that Alimdia is the godfather for some reason.

Interesting, I never knew first to post = town, especially when I'm in WAST time zone

Also this pretty conclusively says that Alimdia/Fdse is not SvS with Alimdia godfather

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I really really doubt that but ok

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I don't think scum would fuck around with their godfather

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I have 1 clear scumread 1 clear townread and I'm trying to figure out both who makes sense as Amrun's partner and as scum if she's not

I don't see how I'm supposed to solve this when half the game is barely posting

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Alimdia / Amrun is the pairing that makes the most sense to me atm

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Idk I don't get your townread on her.

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And I've seen town post like Fdse before and seen them be mislynched after I get nightkilled ad nauseam. I'm not like 100% sure he's town but I think that he's more likely town than not and the fact that everyone but me seems to scumread him suggests that either 1) he's goon AND getting bussed in which case we want to shoot for the GF or 2) he's town in which case yeah

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Actually hmm one second

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Would it be bad if I said I think he might actually be scum now lol

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The vote counts are giving me eye aneurysms. Can we change that color, at all,

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VOTE: Fsde

Because the name looks like I let my toddler loose on a keyboard

What a shame you cannot even spell my name right, and yet you have the gall to chide me on it.

Idk

Something about this feels wrong.

Not sure if it's the overly formal posting but he also says he'd be willing to shoot Amrun but never really had a progression on her

This was my original Amrun scumteam read, not sure why I backed off on it anymore lol

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Maybe it was just oh they wouldn't be shooting each other but now that I think of it if either of them gets pressured into shooting they're confirmed scum anyway regardless of who they said they were firing at..

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The vote counts are giving me eye aneurysms. Can we change that color, at all,

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VOTE: Fsde

Because the name looks like I let my toddler loose on a keyboard

The vote counts are giving me eye aneurysms. Can we change that color, at all,

mod

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VOTE: Fsde

Because the name looks like I let my toddler loose on a keyboard

What a shame you cannot even spell my name right, and yet you have the gall to chide me on it.

It’s a spelling, not a random amalgamation of letters?

Additionally, I am willing to say that everyone who has posted thus far is not likely to be the godfather.

Why?

This is a lot of consecutive interactions and even Amrun's next page stuff is still referencing Fdse's Godfather speculation (hasn't posted up to this point)

Definitely points to Amrun godfather moreso

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unvote

You don’t have to be fun ruiners. Yeah, this is a mechanical setup, and we should be cautious, but we can get acquainted and all present first.

I would absolutely not give a fuck about when I posted if I was The Godfather. Painstakingly overthinking things is how you look like you’re painstakingly overthinking things. Relax, people.

Referencing this referencing 14 but yeah

And yeah hard gut pinged this and usually when something tips me off this hard it involves some sort of attempt to antispew that feels wrong

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Amrun, you gonna shoot someone?

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It's a 7 page game

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Admittedly, I would like to currently shoot either Dong or Amrum for that reason explicitly.

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Ok so if she doesn't take a shot would you be willing to shoot her

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I actually totally forgot dayvig resets the day timer

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My read on DragonEmpire relative to the rest of the field has been going down all game. Not sure why they would be your sole confident townread Alimdia, if there's anyone I would single out as 'trying to do Towny things' without the same investment into gamesolving it would be him.

Also if your idea of Towny things is things scum can do just by wanting to then you're going to townread a lot of scum because scum are the ones actively trying to do things to get townread.

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I am not keen on losing out on a godfather win vs Amrun

No one in this game thinks that Fdse is Godfather

Please don't shoot them if you're town.

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Like I think there's a case for me specifically shooting because I'm me and I'm scary as scum and more likely to shoot scum than anyone else but I don't think that extends to any other townreads.

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That feels equally applicable in terms of inducing panic both targeting most and least scumread but (presumably) scumreads are more likely to be scum than town

Would you shoot Amrun?

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Also I'm kinda leaning town on you I think

You seem like scums designated mislynch

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Where I'm at now in ideal world is

If Amrun is town -> shoot FDSE
If Amrun is scum & FDSE is town -> shoot Amrun
If both are scum -> gg

I would prefer that you don't shoot in other words

I do think dragon has a lot of quiet scum equity but I think that it's probably dealt with anyway since I read him as goon with Godfather and I don't expect to be able to convince anyone on him at this point.

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I definitely wouldn't post the post that I am currently posting as scum

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yeah but you already know I'm town, you're my mason buddy

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I will be home in about an hour and a half

I'm close enough to 100% sure that scum is Dong/Amrun that I'm not going to waste my time asking him to unvote

That speedvote on me strongly indicates that I was right that Amrun is godfather and he's trying to force the 1v1 between our slots because he knows that as soon as she flips GF I'm cleared and scum lose and he has better odds 1v1ing me directly

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No one in the game has expressed disagreement that Eve is town btw so Dong forcing a 1v1 with me doesn't mean that we have to lynch in the pair of us: unless you think that we're SvS or me/Dong are scum it's correct to take the lynch on Amrun that dong is trying to prevent by voting me.

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Eve/Fsde

You both agree that when Amrun flips godfather I'm confirmed town, correct?

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I mean I guess she can still flip goon and it wouldn't mean as much but I think that this is obvious at this point

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I trust my reads.

Do you really believe he says this after both his scumreads flipped town

Or do you think he's speedvoting me because he looks terrible after Amrun flips

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Not that I won't vote Dong if you're comfortable lynching him

But I think that Amrun is a lot more obvious scum and her flip makes this really obvious

I literally haven't been wrong on a confident townread yet this year (Eve) and even aside from that just read Dong and Amrun's isos lol. Look at Amrun trying to appease me when I went after her, look at Dong calling her town then backing off on that when I called him out for that townread (but still only waffling and pointing out things to townread her for.) Plus the classic oh Fsde is my confident scumread but he put Amrun in as a potential partner option so that he looks like scumreading but can't be forced to commit to the read.

And just in case you're worried that my reads are 'too right' in that I was the only person confidently scumreading Amrun and unsure about Dong right down to the fact that Dong goon Amrun GF, I really am that good. Had complete game solve at start of N1 in my last game and 4/4 correct D1 scumreads in the large theme.

Anyway I will post more when I get home

Also who the fuck is confident enough in a me/Amrun scumteam here to speedvote? Like is it conceivable I tried hard to bus for literally no reason? Yeah, sure. I'm not saying he's scum for thinking it's possible. I'm saying he's scum for coming into this gamestate and being confident enough that the scumteam is me plus the person I was trying to kill to the point that he speedvotes me without considering Eve/Amrun which really has no evidence against it outside of the fact that I believe Eve to be town.

Like his backup scumread should have been Amrun/Eve not RC/Eve in terms of where his vote went if he was super confident because the Amrun flip would tell way more about my alignment.

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Omg ok fuck

I can't be here playing

Bye for now

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Seriously though

I'm not saying this to be mean but I'm way better than you guys

If I don't favor a dayvig you really shouldn't take it and the fact that all this went down before I got home in the evening is really really shitty

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I mean, wanting to shoot me is a poor play on your part. I have somewhat weak reads so far. Eve I think is town. You’re probably town. Fdse I think is scum, probably not scum with alimdah though. Maybe with dong.

Also

Only mention of Dong in her entire ISO was "oh this person who is scum is maybe scum with Fdse"

And I did meta on this when I was originally calling out Dong, Amrun is a player who under rather than over mentions her partners pretty consistently

Also think about it for a second: I am correctly scumreading Amrun and unsure about the partner. I thought it might be Fdse because of a few interactions and both Amrun and Dong go fucking ham all game on Fdse to make sure that he and not Amrun eats the vig

It'll be really funny if Eve comes in and hammers me but yeah

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ANYWAY I REALLY HAVE TO GO

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I think this is really obvious, if you guys don't see it let me know. I'll post more later too yada yada told you Amrun was scum yada yada

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if you're more worried about Dong/RC than RC/Amrun we can lynch dong

Scumteam is confirmed at this point fmpov with both you and Amrun having been on

Do you really think that scum can shoot is a plausible belief to have in this game as either alignment like...

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VOTE: DragonEmpire

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When no hammer comes DE is confirmed scum.

Fdse do you have any doubt that Eve is town / Amrun is scum?

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Oh it was Eve Amrun

Loss is still 100% on you Dong, I was transparently town and you hard townread both scum and speedvoted me

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It's all relative.

Eve was Towny enough but it Dong played better or town actually listened to me when I wanted to dayvig Amrun this was a very easy game

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You speedvoted me why are you blaming someone else for doing the exact same thing

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If Amrun was godfather if I decided to be selfish and speed dayvig my scumread instead of trying to be ~pro town~ we'd have won

Grr Eve spent the whole game discouraging me from shooting and I thought it was Towny I didn't think of it as her preventing the Amrun vig

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U literally lurked threatened to dayvig me and refused to catch up at all then speedvoted the only person actually trying to win this game in lylo. Grats on trusting your reads

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Both my SRs flipped town

BUT THIS TIME I'm confident in my reads

U managed to scumread literally every single townie before both scum

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I literally didn't even get the chance to comment before fdse vigged alim

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I feel like this is a very hard game for scum to win :/

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I don't even think that's the full story

There's a lot of aspects to this setup that don't express themself cleanly in EV terms that townside it

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I think the game was already over in 5 way.

Path to victory was forcing me to mislynch 2 townies instead of just 1 which is easy

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Notnsure how much of a path to victory that is.

Me being GF was super dicey since I would have been 0% surprised if someone either policy shot me or threatened to policy shoot me if I didn't shoot

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Who in this lobby was going to lol

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I mean

I was correct on scum in newsroom, just not the one everyone else scumread

Can't BoP me based on your assumptions about the flips of my scumreads before I've actually flipped my scumreads

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If your version of BoP involves assuming that the unflipped scumreads of a player you think is so good he's scum if his scumreads are wrong are town, you should reevaluate how you define BoP

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And u thought I was scum over Volpe

At least I figured it out the next day

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And I lynched 3 scum, two of which were townread by nearly everyone in the game who was town

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I'm talking about Baton Pass

I realize you're talking about newsroom

My point is that almost no one actually BoPs me based on the assumption that I deserve to be BoPed, what happens in practice is that dumbasses still think their reads are better than mine no matter what happens in that game or other games and when my reads don't align with theirs they decide that in scum for it as opposed to considering that I could be the correct one even though this literally all started with the assumption that I am competent enough to find scum super reliably

Sry I'm bitter this is off topic gg

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What you did was no different than what conftown did

And you only 'knew' I was scum because you were the designated ML

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Like you had 2/3 of hitting scum

Both other town agreed I was townier

I'm not sure why you're criticizing town for that decision as opposed to the Fdse/Alimdia vig but you supported that and townread Amrun so that would mean taking responsibility for yourself

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Quick check to confirm my feelings

Godfather in bottom 2 instalose 33% of scum loss off the bat

Godfather in 4 slot loses 3/5 of the time
Godfather in 3 slot loses 3/5 of the time
Godfather in 1/2 slot wins all the time

So 16/30

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Want to bother with actual criticism or just gonna continue tooting your own horn?

Don't speedvote people in lylo, don't hard defend scum!Amrun (this is by far the biggest concern here btw: you CANNOT have town defending scum or town loses), don't have your top two scumreads in a 6 person game be scum, and don't blame your team when all of the above is true

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I still don't feel like 53.3~ accurately represents it

I think the Godfather and dayvigs make it way easier for town to find scum

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top 2 townreads out of 6 be town*

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Like I'm only being like this to you because you're being a hypocrite about the other guy voting you when you voted me

Being right doesn't make the difference, I'm sure he thought he was right and given your reads in general this game you don't really have a basis to assert that your reads are superior to the point that you get to dayvig and he doesn't.

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Speedvote* man I'm out of it anyway bye everyone

Sorry I was scum eve

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No

Town needed to actually play the game and be Towny

The fact that scum was the towniest player in the game isn't a problem with the strategy of townreading Towny people it's a problem with no one trying to project town and everyone having bad reads

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Fdse played better than anyone who wasn't Eve.

I'm really not sure why everyone scumread him.

I was trying to bait him to shoot on 'spicy associatives reasons' because I thought I could get away with that and conftowning him more than on lynching him outright

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There was really no way for any townies to determine that you or Dong were town fmpov which is why I wanted you two to be the actual mislynches

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I can’t believe you didn’t lynch RC lol

Bad take

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ok

bestest most amazingest speech na

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Sry Eve

I'd have hard townread you as town as well

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you have how many wins when we were opposite factions again? 0

you deathtunneled me as town in one of only 2 games I played with you TvT so if your broader point is more along the lines of always lynch RC regardless of reads I'd understand that.