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In post 178, Amrun wrote:Wimpy’s deliberate obtuseness seems genuine.
I’m not being deliberately obtuse
The burden is on town to scumhunt, not scum to convince town they’re scum. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever to me but I kinda believe you believe it.
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Post #227 (isolation #7) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:51 am
Postby Amrun »
In post 225, gobbledygook wrote:I think people using neighborhoods is generally more useful than the way Wimpy and Chamber have decided to use their neighborhood.
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Post #252 (isolation #12) » Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:21 am
Postby Amrun »
I read it differently than you. I think to accuse someone of “tunneling” when they haven’t even voted you and it’s page 2 is excessive and indicative of scumflail.
In post 321, DrDolittle wrote:salamence you've been scumreading me wrong every game we played. maybe adjust your play rather than repeat the same mistake you made?
Well youre playing this game differently than the last two so...
I'm also in the camp of not knowing that there was an IC in this game. Intersting, thanks for pointing that out Chamber
In post 114, bugspray wrote:And I get the feeling that there might be masons
I think at least one of the neighbors is not town aligned, probably both.
I'm going to tinfoil predict that they are both sk
In post 121, bugspray wrote:As in I'm not in a neighborhood jic that's some named or (I'm not claiming hermit)
Where are these claims of masons coming from? I haven't seen your logic at all, and there's absolutely nothing in the game's known knowledge that even remotely suggests this.
In post 146, Looker wrote:This is going to be horrible. Salamence20 voting block.
@theslimer3:
How many mislynches do you think Salamence20 will be a part of?
Wait why address me directly? And he seems to have his head on his shoulders alright I guess.
My first post was a greeting
2nd post addressed to bug spray that made a weird post
3rd was another address, expanding my thoughts/ teasing them
4th addressing my wagon, which was there because I didn’t participate in rqs.
Why are you tunneling me so hard for no reason?
I'm not tunneling you. I'm refuting your denials of the point I've made. You could still be town and have just done one suspect pattern of behaviour. That doesn't mean the behaviour isn't suspect. My vote has never even been on you.
You're pushing bad information that I was contributing nothing to the game in
3
posts. 1 of which was my greeting, and the other two were addressing someone. No matter how you spin it, your reasoning for thinking I'm suspect was a misguided one. I'll admit, I may have jumped the gun a bit by saying you were "tunneling" me though.
In post 174, gobbledygook wrote:BS do you have role info masons exist or was that just set up spec. I found the way you backtracked from that to be in genuine
I don't and I really want to know why you think so
Absolutely could not stand the way he panicked at chamber “tunneling” him when chamber hadn’t even voted him. Scumflail if I’ve ever seen it.
I think gobble’s take on bug spray scum is interesting and only one of this pair (if any) is scum. I like a bug spray/slime team right in this minute.
Wimpy’s deliberate obtuseness seems genuine. Like, it comes off poorly, but I think scum would try not to come off so poorly, if that makes any sense.
Also completely missed the fact that sally was IC until it was pointed out here. Oof.
P-edit: buuuut I hate that wimpy post soooo
Picking out a word I say and assigning an emotion to it? How on earth did you get me paniking out of me refuting his logic of me being scum just because my first 3 posts didn't pinpoint the scum?
And what particular do you like about me and bug spray as a pair? Is that a claim made with logic, or in good faith that it would be true?
In post 186, Wimpy wrote:Slimer’s reactions were townie. Chamber’s push was scummy. The lack of vote makes it worse. He fabricated something to appear useful
I wouldn't say it was a scummy push, but I can say it kinda does seem like he just wants to look like he's doing something there
Most words have emotion to them. Your choice of the word “tunnel,” which you admit was “jumping the gun” was very telling.
I didn’t say bug/slimer team because you two were tied, you were just my two top picks for scum. You also happen to not have a reason I don’t think you could be a team.
The main point is that DDL is posting like hes honestly trying. I dont know DDL to be a person who actually tries. Hes tunneling gobble and doesnt have another read. Hes scum this time, his posting is more bold and upfront, compared to the lax nature im used to. he would be more relaxed if he was town.
If you dont want to follow, then just ignore each other and go after someone else. The hood business is going to drag the game and Im not lynching Chamber or you D1.
My bad, you answered later. I think this is a terrible reason to SR DDL and I don’t think it’s an accurate meta read at all.
DDL still might have rolled scum but not for this reason.
Gobble’s case is much better. I would vote DDL today but I think slimer has a much higher chance of flipping scum.
The posting seems to be similar enough; he was town btw (granted that its 9 years old and meta is terrible) albeit a little more agressive here fighting with wimpy.
Anyone got info on chamberscum?
I think chamberscum is more slippery and passive than he’s been here but that’s also old.
In post 482, Amrun wrote:Wimpy continues to misrep multiple players and I’m not liking it.
I don’t believe I have misrepped anyone.
Well, you just tried to say basic opinions and things that people disagree with you are “lies” among a handful of other things that are quite objectively misrepresentation, whatever you believe. Jury’s still out for me whether or not the misrep is intentional.
I just think the behavior is NAI. I think he is probably scum here but I’ve seen him do that as town as well, that’s all. It’s kinda irrelevant b/c I don’t think it makes him town.
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Post #492 (isolation #26) » Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:47 pm
Postby Amrun »
In post 489, Wimpy wrote:So you don’t agree with my opinions. It was also 2 am
And I was beyond tired.
One this is fact though. Since chamber didn’t vote slimer, that doesn’t appear to be genuine scum hunting which means he has gone this far, with so many posts, and hasn’t scum hunted.
He is also guilty of the very thing he accused slimer of.
He can swear up and down after the fact his rvs vote was serious, but he didn’t say so at the time and it was rvs so it clearly wasn’t.
I do disagree with you, and I don’t think he’s guilty at all of what he accused slimer of. The thing is, I’m not saying you’re lying just because I disagree with you.
In post 526, chamber wrote:And of course it was kicking tires, what else is a first post scum read. I would rarely expect to carry such things past the first several pages, them being weak is different from them being arbitrary)
See this to me is you admitting your read wasn’t serious. Thanks for around the bout way admitting I was right.
No. Bad. Stop it. I want to hit you on the nose with a newspaper.
In post 533, Amrun wrote:Please focus on the actual game. Thanks.
I am actually. I’m trying to lynch scum while everyone else is trying to lynch a lurker.
We all know what your scumread is. Misrepping and arguing semantics with him for 10,000 pages is just going to make me want to PL you since I see you as the instigator, even though I feel better about flipping other slots in the game. Don’t make me compromise my own gameplay because you won’t shut the hell up and comment on anything else going on in the game.
In post 534, chamber wrote:Me saying its weak but not arbitrary/random is the same as it being random? News to me.
I never said your vote was random. I said it wasn’t serious. You saying it was weak/arbitrary and that you would eventually move on means it wasn’t serious
Oh for crying out loud.
R
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V
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random
If you believe his vote is RVS, which you so clearly profess to, you believe it is random.
In post 539, Amrun wrote:Don’t make me compromise my own gameplay because you won’t shut the hell up and comment on anything else going on in the game
What am I supposed to comment on exactly?
It’s me vs chamber, a bunch of people vs a lurker.
Someone with content is at L-1 with intent and you categorically refuse to comment on it. You just want to make noise about a slot that is not likely to be lynched today.
Here’s a though: let’s say chamber is scum. He still has a partner.
2010 called. It says that actual definition died years ago. People vote in rvs for non random reasons now. It’s been that way since even before I left the first time.
chamber’s join date is 2005 and he very clearly was using the word random to refer to an RVS stage vote. No, RVS isn’t throw it at a dartboard random, but it’s so very obvious what he was referring to.
You’re choosing to clog the game up with semantics and contention rather than advance it.
In post 541, Wimpy wrote:Then policy lynch me. I got run out of two games because of bullying. I’m not going to stand down anymore.
But here’s the thing.
You’re the bully.
How so? I haven’t bullied anyone. Chamber has. Bug spray has. You just did.
Me? Bully you?
Oh you poor sweet summer child.
Your victim mentality isn’t going to be tackled by me. I have children of my own already.
VOTE: Wimpy
Point blank refusal to advance the gamestate could be from stubborn town, but could very easily come from obfuscating scum. I care less and less about which this is.
In lylo where no scum are dead, Bugspray > Chamber > Looker.
3p Lylo Chamber > Looker > Wimpy
Gobbles is most likely town, bug is dumb, wimpy is probtown, everyone else can die.
Huh, why looker for a DDL buddy over slimer? I don’t get it - please enlighten me. Everything else I basically understand I think, except lynching me if DDL flips green but whatever.
In post 566, Amrun wrote:That is literally not how this game works. It is a team game.
When the “team” wants to lynch a lurker for no reason at all. I can’t I’m good faith vote with them. I don’t condone actually policy lynching a lurker.
No one is policy lynching DDL for lurking. We think he is scum.
Threatening to policy lynching me is bullying. It’s a threat made towards me to play how you want or else. You’re a bully
That is not bullying, nor is it telling you how to play. It’s telling you that I’m not going to read this antagonistic bullshit all game. Scumread chamber all you want. Shouting it into the wind isn’t going to help you, if you’re town. It’s only clogging up the thread and distracting everyone, which is explicitly anti-town.
P-edit: There have been several reasons stated why he is (or could be) scum, the most notable being his lack of scumread or reads outside of a weak gobble push. Salamence20 believes DDL is scum by meta, though I personally disagree with that aspect. You clearly aren’t reading anything you’re not the center of, which is scum sided way of playing.
My townreading radar is on point this game. As long as I am right with the hood being t-t town has a very good chance at winning this.
Right now the only roadmaps in which I lose is the scumteam is Chamber/Wimpy (which is near mod confirmed it cant be), or Bugspray/Wimpy + X (Im currently willing to let Bugspray/Wimpy win as mafia because I dont think THEY (Spray) are smart enough to be mafia, and Wimpy I still feel is town because who the fuck does this as scum and carries on about it as he/she/it/they/heheue does).
By interaction I feel strongly that if DDL is scum, it is slimer. And significantly less likely that it’s Looker. I’d feel more scummy about Looker on a DDL townflip in fact.
I actually am half flipping DDL in hopes he flips red so I can get support for a slimer lynch. Just being honest.
In post 587, Wimpy wrote:I haven’t done anything bam worthy actually. Chamber has but he used to be a mod or something so I’m sure he won’t either.
Yeah but youre instigating it so you can go first.
Me responding to posts directed about or towards me isn’t instigating.
People telling me to fuck off, tossing insults, threatening to policy lynch Me, or telling me to shut up are the ones instigating. I’m playing the game as it’s intended.
The game as intended is a team game where town works in coordination, which you are refusing to do. So no you aren’t.
In post 592, Amrun wrote:I actually am half flipping DDL in hopes he flips red so I can get support for a slimer lynch. Just being honest.
You just said “we” think he is scum. This doesn’t sound like you are convinced he is.
In post 596, Wimpy wrote:Thinking somebody is scum isn’t the same as hoping.
More semantics. I think he has a higher than random chance of flipping red which is pretty good for a day 1 lynch. I am compromising to further the game and achieve my goals, which is something you should learn.
In post 597, Amrun wrote:which you are refusing to do. So no you aren’t.
I’m not refusing to work as a team though. I just don’t agree with a ddl lynch. No convincing argument has been made. Disagreement isn’t refusal
You don’t have to lynch DDL to work as a team. Already this conversation is 100x more productive.
I think DDL being lurky in the particular way he is lurky here could be a scumtell. He is SR one of my top TR as well. I also think my top pick for scum, slimer, is behaving in a very shady way around this slot.
In post 604, Amrun wrote:You don’t have to lynch DDL to work as a team. Already this conversation is 100x more productive.
That’s basically what you implied earlier though. “We think he is scum” and you’re working against us
No. I said you clogging up the thread misrepping Chamber and making noise is antitown. The DDL comment was unrelated, in response to you saying that people are policy lynching a lurker, which is false. And “we” wasn’t even town there - it was “people on his wagon (plus me since I declared intent).” I don’t know that everyone on his wagon is town.
In post 608, Amrun wrote:in response to you saying that people are policy lynching a lurker, which is false.
I’m sure I stand alone I’m thinking it’s a PL but he claims he is busy irl. Him being busy is an explanation as to why his play isn’t any good.
Now we all have to decide if we believe him or we don’t. I believe him so I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m willing to wait until Thursday to see if his play improves.
As am I but that doesn’t mean I can’t apply pressure and see what shakes out.
In post 469, Amrun wrote:
Most words have emotion to them. Your choice of the word “tunnel,” which you admit was “jumping the gun” was very telling.
I didn’t say bug/slimer team because you two were tied, you were just my two top picks for scum. You also happen to not have a reason I don’t think you could be a team.
I see someone coming to me with a crappy reason, of course I'd think they're trying to pun some sort of false narrative onto me. I thought they were tunneling me because their behavior was unreasonable. I stand by that.
I like a bug spray/slime team right in this minute.
You said team. Not these two, but team. That choice of word, reguardless of what you meant by it, would come to me as you thinking we're a team. And I'm not entirely convinced you were thinking it's because we were tied neither. It's kind of odd you'd use the word
team
if that were the case
I really don’t understand what you’re trying to say. It’s a micro so there’s very likely to be two scum. Two scumreads, if correct, are necessarily a team.
There is cognitive dissonance here - I supposedly ascribed too much “emotion” to the word tunnel, but you’ll do that with “team” in the same breath and not see an issue.
Also, apologies about pronouns. I suck at that but it’s not on purpose. I’ll try harder.
In post 803, Amrun wrote:@DDL: how did I disappear in any capacity?
You seem really beetlejuice-y. I'm not sure that's always a scumtell but~.
I mean I think it can be a scumtell, I just don’t think that applies to me at all in this game in any capacity.
I’ve been a little distracted for several days with a very sick child, which I warned in thread though he’s been sick for weeks leading up to this, but that’s it.
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Post #807 (isolation #59) » Tue Jan 07, 2020 11:42 am
Postby Amrun »
I mean I got into a pissing match with Wimpy which didn’t even involve me. But whatever, my presence is what it is. What has suffered most is my concentration but that’s just life.