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[Hectic]

I have a pretty reliable scumtell on Bungle. See this down here?

Now that that's out of the way

...

Notice the dots? I've highlighted them red for your viewing pleasure and convinience, since I am TOwN and want to make this experience as enjoyable as possible for you - unless you're scum - in that case please skip to the bottom of this post and read the "for scum players" section.
Anyway, Bongle

never

uses

3

dots for ellipses. As town, it's always at least 4, he's real careless with them, I've seen them exceed 7 at times. I know.
As scum? He's methodical. Calculated. Supreme. It's always 3, he's afraid of being inconsistent, and is a lot more self-conscious.
VOTE: Jangle

For scum: (annoying font colour)

I have a pretty reliable scumtell on Bungle. See this down here?

Now that that's out of the way

...

[/quote]

Notice the dots? I've highlighted them red for your viewing pleasure and convinience, since I am TOwN and want to make this experience as enjoyable as possible for you - unless you're scum - in that case please skip to the bottom of this post and read the "for scum players" section. Oh, you're already here? So you're scum then? Ha, that's pretty funny. Post "The turtle is engaged." to let me know in thread, no one else will read this, so it'll be our little secret.
Anyway, Bongle

never

uses

3

dots for ellipses. As town, it's always at least 4, he's real careless with them, I've seen them exceed 7 at times. I know.
As scum? He's methodical. Calculated. Supreme. It's always 3, he's afraid of being inconsistent, and is a lot more self-conscious.

VOTE: Jangle

[Hectic]

Back on my bucket list to lynch, is Mew. CLASSIC scumtell where you come in and ask a helpful asking question, but make no attempt to help out yourself.

VOTE: Mew

[Hectic]

Hectic, you left out the section for the non-game-ending third party roles. Just because they're not listed doesn't mean they don't deserve any love.

<conspicuous absence of an RVS vote here>

I am so sorry, I will be sure to make 3 sections for every longish post I have. Now, I want to test you, Farren, and I'm singling you out

specifically

, because you're a player with very high potential, and I KNOW you have what it takes to reach the big leagues. You see Bingle's recent posting history? Please tell me what you think is wrong with it. The answer is obvious, and if you're town and as promising as I suspect, you

will

see it.

For scum:

I am so sorry, I will be sure to make 3 sections for every longish post I have. So, I want to test you, Farren, and I'm singling you out

specifically

, because you're a player with very low potential, and I FEAR you have what it takes to be a dangerous game thrower. You see Bingle's AVI? Please tell me what you think is right with it. The answer is obvious, and if you're scum and as garbage as I suspect, you

will

see it.

For third party:

Fuck you for making me write this section, and good luck with winning all by yourself. If I'm being honest, you have no chance at all, and I'd concede on the spot. I mean, who even invited you to this game in the first place? Was it Karnage? Of course it was fucking Karnage. Well, do us all a favour and get yourself killed early, some of us have lives to lead, and don't have time to write out 3 different sections for every post.

[Hectic]

I'd like to emphasize Bingle's point that leashing hammers is optimal for this setup, so please be aware of how big the wagon you're going to vote is.

This setup can go very badly very quickly off a careless hammer.

Agreed, even if it's a little sadistic, it'd be wild not to.

[Hectic]

So make up a bad scumcase against Bingle, rant and rave about frogs, and then self-hammer. Got it.

There. Not to do list is complete. Thanks for the help!

(section 4: addressed to the mod.)
(section 5: addressed to spectators.)
(section 6: addressed to people not even reading the game.)

For town:

I'm disappointed. Perhaps you aren't the player I'm looking for.

For scum:

Well played. That was the correct answer, you son of a gun.

For third party:

Fuck off.

For the mod:

I love you; you're great. Keep it up.

For spectators:

Keep watching. I have BIG plans.

For people not reading the game:

You coward. You may not be scum, but you are

scum

, if you get what I'm saying.

[Hectic]

Why is the scum section no longer written in an annoying font colour?
-D

For town:

I realised scum are people too, and there's no reason they shouldn't have as much fun as everyone else. In fact, I'm rooting for you, scum. I hope you win this one.

For scum:

Without you, there'd be no game of mafia. <3

For the bugspray:

I'm not your God, but I appreciate the compliment regardless.

[Hectic]

Hmmm....... VOTE: Farren
-D

So why this? Absolutely loving that number of ellipsi btw.

[Hectic]

Hmmm....... VOTE: Farren
-D

So why this? Absolutely loving that number of ellipsi btw.

Weird absence of anything game related, plus the kinda-forced (?) "absence of RVS vote here" bit is giving me bad vibes. And........ Thank you.
-D

I kinda get the opposite vibe. <conspicuous lack of RVS vote here> is asking for attention, and scum usually love to dabble in some setup spec early on.

@Farren: Why didn't you comment on my ellipsi case on Jingle?

[Hectic]

I realised scum are people too, and there's no reason they shouldn't have as much fun as everyone else. In fact, I'm rooting for you, scum. I hope you win this one.

Are you rooting for yourself this game?
-D

..................yes

[Hectic]

Buggy asking for evidence on ellipsi case, and recent irritation is slightly towny. I've NEVER seen Penpow post those two gifs as scum.
Karnage lockscum by PoE.

VOTE: Karnage

[Hectic]

Also worth noting that we should massclaim vig/not vig if

the role group parity widens

, but that feels obvy.

What does this mean?
-D

Probably this, but I don't see why.

If there are flips such that there are 2 more bombs/supersaints than vigs/blank vigs (or vice versa) we massclaim which group we’re in.

How would we be able to tell if there's more saints/bombs than vigs, or vice versa without massclaiming? We don't know which we have more of to start off with.

[Hectic]

Weird absence of anything game related, plus the kinda-forced (?) "absence of RVS vote here" bit is giving me bad vibes. And........ Thank you.
-D

Kinda-forced, nothing.

That was totally forced, thank you very much. So you get some kinda points for that.

Might be misunderstanding, but are you saying you're forcing yourself to not post game-related stuff?

[Hectic]

If there are flips such that there are 2 more bombs/supersaints than vigs/blank vigs (or vice versa) we massclaim which group we’re in.

How would we be able to tell if there's more saints/bombs than vigs, or vice versa without massclaiming? We don't know which we have more of to start off with.

Hey, Bingle, what were you getting at here?

[Hectic]

Thanks for the explanation, Bungle. That makes sense.

Who dat say they gonna lol hammer dem Saints?

I've read this 5 times now and still don't get it.
-D

So... ... ... Not understanding slang is possibly scum-indicative?
-D

Hey Penpow, do you agree with Bongle on this being scum-indicative? Maybe you can enlighten me.

In other news, this Fishy guy is making a good first impression. Probably means he's scum though. Mafia is a serious fucking game, and I've found joking around/gimmick personalities are scum 60% of the time, every time.

[Hectic]

I like bingle and hectic so far. Not much of a read on anybody else as of yet.

Fishy seems fishy

Blake I think wasn't part of the page 1-3 shitfest so I think she is town also think you're town for the same reason

Why would you townread someone for not taking part in the early game?

[Hectic]

Karnage is the slot I'm least confident I will be able to read in the future if left unchecked, taking the V/LA of the unpronounceable name into account.

Why are you treating Karnage differently in unreadability? I don't believe I've ever played with you.

[Hectic]

Okay page 4 Fishy Logic is tryharding and mostly trolling, so they're likely scum

I don't thinking tryharding or trolling is AI. Is there anything you saw as fake?

[Hectic]

VOTE: JOngle

I'm liking Figic so far, Farren is also slightly town by tone. Bongle's a little strange in that he thought it scum-indicative for someone not to understand a American Football reference; it read as complete gibberish to me too. Also, it didn't sound like a 1% shift in his read when he first brought it up. His protection in Blake feels off despite having no read of her, and giving a statement like "I’d nightkill you tonight if you were town and I was scum." pings me in its certainty and lack of a word like 'probably'. You're saying she'd 100% be the kill for you?

@Bungle: Do you disagree with 126? What's wrong with letting Blake be pressured if you view her as a strong scum player, as well as a strong town one?

[Hectic]

For those unaware, this is an open Ankamius alt account.

Ah.

Interesting.

well, the cat's out the bag now

Lul, that didn't last long. If I were you, I would've deleted saved logins to prevent something like that.

[Hectic]

Okay page 4 Fishy Logic is tryharding and mostly trolling, so they're likely scum

I don't thinking tryharding or trolling is AI. Is there anything you saw as fake?

Could you enlighten me, Creature of Habit?

[Hectic]

what other things of note have happened?

You could comment on my thoughts on Jangle in 186. Agree/disagree?

[Hectic]

Farren is also slightly town by tone.

Pics?

[Hectic]

There's 3 and a half days left till deadline. Why do you think Creature's town, PenPow?

P.S: Every time I ISO you and see that Wallace and Gromit train chase gif, I can't help but watch it like 5 times. It's inexplicably hilarious.

[Hectic]

VOTE: CreatureVOTE: L-2

Do you want to elaborate on this Figic read, and why tryhardining/trolling is AI for them?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Creature Oh this is L-4 actually lol

[Hectic]

Hectic scares me because I feel like I really need to see what his scumgame looks like in order to be able to recognize when he's town properly.

He looks town on the surface, but I already suspect he's one of those players I can't properly read as of this point.

Woah, I can actually link a scumgame now. Jester won day 2 and the game was very inactive, so it's very short read if you want to ISO me.

[Hectic]

And I forgot the link.
viewtopic.php?f=83&t=81804

[Hectic]

Yeah, 254/257 is the biggest obstacle to that scumteam. Maybe 160 to a lesser extent, and a bit of 175 - both bugspray and Karnage had checked in by then.

Unless Creature's a big believer in bussing.

Why are you looking for possible scumteams so early in day 1? I think looking for the standalone scummiest person is far more useful right now. Could you point to some posts you dislike from Karnage?

[Hectic]

Karnage's posts are very awkwardly timed and ordered for how seriously he is taking the game in those posts.

Can you show some examples of what you actually mean by this?

[Hectic]

I think Karnegie has a real chance of flipping scum though

Already said: Dale Karnage is scum

Yeah, but why? I haven't seen any reasons.

[Hectic]

Hectic is annoying me, so he's also probably town?

For town:

Glad we could come to an understanding.

For scum:

Glad we could come to an understanding.

[Hectic]

I think it's a case of me not explaining my thoughts correctly, if anything. I think both are scum.

If only one are scum, the third is most likely PenguinPower.

How come Mew isn't in your PoE/suspects?

[Hectic]

Okay, so why is he the standalone scummiest person for you right now?

[Hectic]

Mew siteflaked I think, so probably won't return before deadline unless he gets replaced. Why aren't we doing claims before the death again?

[Hectic]

Mew's inactivity is NAI, and his response to me before he disappeared wasn't bad; better we wait for a replacement there. Karnage is either scum or a Bomb/Supersaint, given he seems to have accepted death or is putting on that act, and is mostly talking about potential hammerers now. Agreed with Penpow being the one hammering.

[Hectic]

Eh, this feels more like policy rather than the best play. Mew is almost entirely a null slot. Would much rather prefer lynching Karnage or Penpow. Seeing as it's far too late for a Penpow wagon:
VOTE: Karnage with Penpow being the one to hammer ideally.

I'm off for the night. (7 hours till deadline)

[Hectic]

Eh, this feels more like policy rather than the best play. Mew is almost entirely a null slot. Would much rather prefer lynching Karnage or Penpow. Seeing as it's far too late for a Penpow wagon:
VOTE: Karnage with Penpow being the one to hammer ideally.

I'm off for the night. (7 hours till deadline)

Flash lynch Hectic?

-Fishy

Why would you lynch me for this?

[Hectic]

That feels like an awful amount of over justification from Farren to explain moving his vote off Creature.
I'm liking Drew.

[Hectic]

Woah, wait a second, is that DOCTOR Drew?

[Hectic]

Drew's kinda a cult leader even in non-cult games. Last time I played with him, he got half the player list to change their profile pics to varying levels of nightmare inducing Doctor Drews.

[Hectic]

Drew's not someone you want to underestimate. I didn't see mafia as an art form until I first played with him. I'm kinda just hoping he's town here and we get an autowin.

I'm gonna reread Farren before deciding whether I want to hop on that over Karnage.

[Hectic]

Eh, I think it's better if Farren hammers Karnage for

reasons

. You okay with doing that, Farren?

[Hectic]

I think Farren should be the one hammering.

[Hectic]

Hammering isn't really self-preservation per se though. If you're scum, you know Karnage has a kinda decent chance of killing you right now.

[Hectic]

I've liked Drew so far, locking Creature and Blake as town based on the towntell thing doesn't give him a lot of wiggle room in the future. I guess it makes sense to let the person dying decide the hammerer though, since you're getting no scum opinions in the mix there if the person is town, but this is just my preference.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Bangle

[Hectic]

Shotgun reads list:
{Creature}
{Fishy}
{Farren, Penpow}
{Drew, Jingle}

[Hectic]

Drew is mostly a metaread; he feels off from his usual townplay. Bongle is mostly because he's had weird stances and opinions this game.

[Hectic]

Oh yeah, I forgot you claimed Bomb like that. Thing is, it makes sense to do that if he's actually a Bomb, but it does make him more likely to be scum overall, because scum wants to make that play in that position. Where's your crumb, Farren?

[Hectic]

Does anyone who isn’t scum have a guess who bb would have shot?

Why does that matter?

[Hectic]

Oh, right.

It's entirely possible the scumteam is just Karnage and Jtheophrastus Bartholomew. PenguinPower is another slot I am not convinced is town yet, but I believe there is enough reason to townread everybody else for me to be satisfied with this solve for today.

Drew or Penpow, but I have feeling it's more likely Penpow since Drew is more active and easier to read over time, but that's my opinion, so no idea if she agrees with it.

[Hectic]

Hmmmmm, I think the claim makes sense if he's a town bomb though, because he's making the vigs reconsider shooting him, since the stakes are a lot higher for them if he's telling the truth. The thing I actually find scummy about that post is this line: "If a Town Vig decides to shoot me anyway, well, sucks for all of us unless they drew blank, but at least this way they can't say they weren't warned, and they'll get a valuable lesson to boot."
It feels insincere, but that might just be how he talks in general. So I'm gonna do a quick metadive to find out.

[Hectic]

Idk, results inconclusive. His towngame looks more critical and scumhunty, but his scumgame didn't really look like this either, so who knows.

Why did you breadcrumb so late, Farren?

[Hectic]

Well, there is one reason for scum!Farren to claim there which neither of you have mentioned. You increase the likelyhood of town vigs killing other town if they're scared of targeting you, provided your partner isn't also a popular vig target at night.

[Hectic]

Hectic:

What sort of weird stances and opinions, and what makes them scummy?

re: Bingle.

His interactions with Bella and how he preemptively defended her, the American Football scum-indicative thing, and one other reason which I can't remember right now. It'll probably come back to me at some point.

[Hectic]

Scum can't win with a Bomb alive so if you were a Town Bomb you should have been shot.

Can't they foresee he's gonna be lynched, and if he isn't, he can just be roleblocked and shot the next night instead?

[Hectic]

Many. You were suspected by mostly fish. You had just hammered a slot that may well have been scum from a town POV when a lurk-to-no-lynch plausible, meaning if it flipped scum you’d be pretty damn town. You could have turned your play around D2. The argument that you could never be townread enough to be shot presupposes knowing karnages alignment.

Oh yeah, this is a very good point actually.

Farren, how confident were you on Karnage flipping scum when you hammered him?

[Hectic]

I mean - pushing for the lynch is good but not definitive and there could be upwards of 3 Bombs. Bombs can't be roleblocked, and the scum performing the nk has to be doc'd to be protected so it requires 2 scum alive. I don't know why they'd delay it.

Oh, right.
On average, there's 1.5 bombs in the game, but I get your point.

[Hectic]

Ja hallo. Kinda think it's Drew and Bongle, but Drew's making me feel bad because he wants to sheep me.

When do we massclaim?

[Hectic]

If multiple vigs target someone and they don't die, that's suspicious. So maybe, but probably not today.

[Hectic]

I don't think I get your Bingle scumread, Hec

What's your sniper list looking like?

[Hectic]

Farren, you put out a shotgun readslist yet?
-D

Two scum in Penguin / Hectic / Drew, wirth Bingle the most likely of the three. You / Creature / Hectic Town, in no particular order.

Wow, I must mean a lot to you, Farren.

[Hectic]

It's more supreme version of the shotgun list. Maybe even use double curly brackets for it.

[Hectic]

You've been hunting. Looking at things. If you're scum, pat yourself on the back for a flawless performance.

Lul, really? I wouldn't say that, but thanks.

I know this could be buddying, but it's still working on me. grumble grumble

[Hectic]

I don't think I get your Bingle scumread, Hec

It was not you
Tho now I see this ain't a question oops
Anyway Hectic if you could elaborate on this that would be gucci
-D

Idk, I tried ISOing him for other reasons just now but my eyes are glossing over. He's feeling different from when I last played with him, but that might just be because he's treating me differently from that game, so it's giving me that impression. He should probably be switched with Penpow.

Why is Penpow top town for you?

[Hectic]

VOTE: Drew

[Hectic]

Lul, oh no

Don't worry, Datisi, I'll nightkill you.

[Hectic]

Well, he if he's scum, he killed Blake in the night, so calling two people locktown is less bad if you nightkill one of them.

[Hectic]

What's F3?

[Hectic]

Ah, right. It varies for me.

[Hectic]

Hmm VOTE: Penpow

[Hectic]

In conclusion.

Farren and Karnage are prob scum.

Blake and Creature continue to be lock town......Hectic, prob town.

Bingle is also prob town, or more accurately.....didn't do anything I would say is scummy. Can't read him great historically.....so to be continued lol.

Feel good about the Fish hydra tbh.....makes me feel dirty.

Drew, why do you think Karnage is scum?

None of Karnage’s post have any substance, like just posting to let everyone know he is here. And the aforementioned associative tells with you.

Also, what is your scum case on Creature?

Listen, I will gladly hammer Farren if we can make it happen.....inam less confident on scumKarnage though. I feel he has strong saint equity, and outside of Farren I won't risk it.

Also, someone asked why I wouldn't hammer right as I replaced in........in what world is that a good thing to do?

Actually, VOTE: Drew

[Hectic]

I'm basically just putting a lot of faith in Ank's read on Creature. Weren't you townreading him for seeing the same thing she did?

[Hectic]

Hey, Cheeky; you're amazing. Also, can scum self-target with the protect?

[Hectic]

I've been reading you a lot better recently, haven't I? Actually got you as town in that other game when most people scumread you.

Why not Penpow?

[Hectic]

You wouldn't take hammering Drew over yourself dying? I think if Farren flips town (which I have feeling he will do), the scumteam is Drew + Penpow.

[Hectic]

Mafia can self-protect and perform the NK, which protects from all kills. I will discuss mechanics and improvements post-game.

Oh yeah, since mafia can self-protect which protects them from all kills, including a bomb explosion + several vig shots I'm assuming, vigs should not be firing tonight if Farren does flip scum. Otherwise, we may find ourselves at mylo/lylo with 3 or 4 people left alive tomorrow rather than 5 if scum just kills 1 person without any other town deaths.

[Hectic]

Still think Drew is the superior lynch though tbh, he hasn't been consistent on stuff like Creature for example, he was initially townlocking Creature for seeing a towntell, and even extended that to Blake for seeing the same thing. Then, he forgot about that recently and started shading him again, until I reminded him of it.

[Hectic]

Well, shooting potential mislynches off could still be a good idea if we take enough precaution

Not unless we luck out and get exactly 2 extra town deaths, which puts us at 3 player LyLo. One extra town death, and 4 player mylo is a lot worse than having 5 players, and an extra day+lynch after.

[Hectic]

Wait, actually, info gained from knowing your vig shot may have been blocked from a doc heal could also be useful the next day, which gives more reason to fire anyway. Not sure anymore; Jangle will probably let us know what's optimal.

[Hectic]

I'm not sure why Hectic is handwaving you off tbh...his buddying comment is concerning now.

I think it's important to discuss what we do if Farren's hammered and flips scum. Not sure what you mean here. Would still rather lynch Drew though.

[Hectic]

Well, yeah, my reads are:
Creature, Fishy
-
Farren
Drew, Penpow

[Hectic]

Farren, even if you are a blank vig, there's value in 2 or 3 vigs claiming to have overlapping targets over the 2 nights that didn't die.

[Hectic]

Yuh...thus my concern.

Is Farren too high or low for your liking?

[Hectic]

Eh, it's just how I stand on him. Some things of his ping me like the buddying or how he states the obvious sometimes like mentioning he doesn't care who hammers because he's a bomb, but his reasoning/reads has made sense to me this game, mostly.
Jongle exists, he's probably where the dash was.

[Hectic]

Holstering is

probably

right. Why aren't you willing to vote Drew, Farren?

[Hectic]

@Drew: Would you vote with Farren and I on Penpow instead of Jungle? He's in your scumpool too.

[Hectic]

VOTE: Penpow

MUTINY

[Hectic]

Aight, sober jingle agrees. Vig/bomb have almost 0 utility in the new setup regardless of whether we’ve lynched scum.

We should claim vig target vs not vig as soon as we are able so that scum doesn’t have the chance to think their claims through.

Order: Drew PP Hectic Creature Me Fish

Fish I trust you to be town and thus you may edit that order.

There’s a chance we get conftown out of this.

Should we do this? I don't mind the order too much. Start us off, Drew. are you a vig or non-vig?

[Hectic]

@Datisi: Any particular reason for the disengagement this game?

[Hectic]

Cool, who'd you target? I think we claim that as well while we do this; don't see a reason not to.

Penpow, you're up next.

[Hectic]

Lul, nice. Why target Fishy though?

[Hectic]

My turn: Also vig, targeted Penpow last night.

[Hectic]

Hence why my scumread on you is enhanced from last night, since it's a 50% off that alone that you're scum.

[Hectic]

I'd like to emphasize Bingle's point that leashing hammers is optimal for this setup, so please be aware of how big the wagon you're going to vote is.

This setup can go very badly very quickly off a careless hammer.

Agreed, even if it's a little

sadistic

, it'd be

wild

not to.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6211976/
Sadistic - Sadie
Wild - Olivia Wilde

[Hectic]

Drew and Penpow, did your failed shots not affect your read on your targets?
Especially Drew, you and Farren were both wagons, and you opted to vote for someone else over the opposing wagon, who you know has at least a 50% chance of flipping scum. Confused.

[Hectic]

Drew has no internal consistency this game. I'm ready to hammer.
So assuming Drew flips scum, Penpow targets Farren. But isn't the problem with this that Fishy can roleblock Penpow if they are actually scum? Wouldn't I have to target Fishy then, so they have to decide between protecting themselves and roleblocking Penpow. No, but then that's dumb because if they're bomb and I'm live, that has potential for an instant game loss if Creature or Bingle is actually scum.

[Hectic]

Hectic / Drew ... maybe more plausible?

Really? I've been actively trying to convince people to lynch Drew over you this whole day phase.

[Hectic]

Oh, I get it, Fish can't protect themselves and target a possible bomb safely in that scenario. This plan is fine then.

[Hectic]

And Creature and I holster?

[Hectic]

Nah, this plan is good. It has zero drawbacks, since I don't see town!Penpow being roleblocked night 1.
Penpow shoot Farren.
Creature and I holster.

VOTE: Drew

[Hectic]

If this flips town, all of us holster.

[Hectic]

You're a surprise supersaint and we just lost? Damn, why didn't you say anything?

[Hectic]

Btw, you've been hammered if you didn't notice. Any last words of gloating/rage?

[Hectic]

Hmm, did I spend yesterday trying to move a lynch from one mafia goon to the other? How you doing clidd, my friend?

[Hectic]

Post the coloured VCs here. Are they hand drawn?

[Hectic]

I would like to ask

Bingle

's opinion now. If

Hectic

is out there, it would also be nice to know what his current reads are.

Heyo, clidd.
Honestly, I the Farren night replace-out is really scummy. And that VCA Datisi posted makes Penpow look a lot better. I'm not convinced by your Fishy case.

My reads are something like:
Jangle
Fishy, Penpow
Clidd

I like Jongle more now for pointing out Creature and I claiming vig late was towny, not much scum-motivation in that. The Creature kill does confuse me though, I don't see why Farren makes that kill there rather than self-protecting and killing one of Fishy/Bongle. Maybe 741 is the reason he died? Not sure, could just be designed to confuse and frame.

[Hectic]

I would like to ask

Bingle

's opinion now. If

Hectic

is out there, it would also be nice to know what his current reads are.

Heyo, clidd.
Honestly, I the Farren night replace-out is really scummy. And that VCA Datisi posted makes Penpow look a lot better. I'm not convinced by your Fishy case.

My reads are something like:
Jangle
Fishy, Penpow
Clidd

I like Jongle more now for pointing out Creature and I claiming vig late was towny, not much scum-motivation in that. The Creature kill does confuse me though, I don't see why Farren makes that kill there rather than self-protecting and killing one of Fishy/Bongle. Maybe 741 is the reason he died? Not sure, could just be designed to confuse and frame.

I did not identify any emotional evidence in

Farren

's last posts that would justify an eventual departure motivated by anger or frustration, nor a drop in interest, if we consider the amount in post 901. He seemed very anxious and speculative about the game to leave, in that way. The scenario that encompasses the circumstances that support a possible exit due to withdrawal is very remote, if not, non-existent.

It also looked like he might've setting up a Hectic/Drew team in that post, which I didn't really get based on my actions from his perspective that day phase. In that I was constantly defending him and trying to lynch Drew.

[Hectic]

Penpow pushing for Mew/Drew for a lot of day 1.

[Hectic]

That makes sense.

[Hectic]

Hi, clidd.
Datisi having that coloured VCA ready to post was pretty towny btw, but I can definitely see Datisi preparing something like that and mentioning it so someone asks for it, which she can provide. So not as towny but still towny.

[Hectic]

I'm okay with Penpow being town. When Karnage and Drew/Mew were both on 3 votes, he consistently stayed on and pushed Mew.
Also, the weird vig plan yesterday.

[Hectic]

I start scumreading Drew start of day 2 when I realised his play was much more in line with his scum meta. Then, he started shading Creatire after stating he locktowned them the previous day for a towntell he saw, and even locktowned Blake for seeing the same thing, which suggests it's a pretty confident read.
Then the whole "I'm pretty sure Farren is town now" after scumreading him the previous day and even vig shooting him. The failed vig shot should only amplify that scumread btw.
Hence, lack of internal consistency.

[Hectic]

What were you expecting me to say that would be biased if I was scum?

[Hectic]

So why did you like the way I said that?

[Hectic]

You're an interesting player, clidd. You've successfully planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I don't always entirely understand what you mean, but that wall was pretty genuine/convincing.

[Hectic]

Figic, could I get your reads on Penpow and I in more depth?

[Hectic]

He had a lot of reasons to give for my 1010 being legitimate. More genuine over the reasons being great tbh. Better he had all those in mind and could provide when Ia asked him 1016.
Lolhammer? Was par for the course when I hammered iirc.
Could you give your reads on Penpow and I then?

[Hectic]

Huh, maybe I should be voting Figic here. I'm still favouring a clidd lynch over a you lynch, so what do you mean I'm taking a backseat because I know clidd will look worse tomorrow? He should be dead by tomorrow.

[Hectic]

I was thinking the same thing about what scum!clidd's plan is if he's completely tunnelling on Figic lynch, but he repped into a very losing slot, so it's not like there's a much better plan. Though, I've not been a fan of the Fishy head ever since the first bout of memeing he made on day 1 tbh. Like, what happened to your Farren hard scumread? And this feels like if you get me lynched today, you're in a much better position to win 1v1 against clidd the next day.

[Hectic]

You're an interesting player, clidd. You've successfully planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I don't always entirely understand what you mean, but that wall was pretty genuine/convincing.

yeah, because this very much looks like you are gonna vote clidd today
-D

I went from voting clidd 90% of the time to 70% of time

[Hectic]

Though, I've not been a fan of the Fishy head ever since the first bout of memeing he made on day 1 tbh. Like, what happened to your Farren hard scumread? And this feels like if you get me lynched today, you're in a much better position to win 1v1 against clidd the next day.

what's wrong with memeing on first post? iirc you were also memeing for a good bit early day 1

and by what logic (haha getit gettit) are we in better position tomorrow if we swing the lynch onto you today? and this way no less?

-D

The memeing was good. I mean everything since the meming hasn't pinged me as town. I think it'd be easier for scum!you to lynch the Farren slot.
It probably just is that slot though. I just looked back and saw how averse he was to voting Drew and wouldn't join his wagon even to save himself when I was asking him.

[Hectic]

Holstering is

probably

right. Why aren't you willing to vote Drew, Farren?

Because I think Drew's less likely to be scum than Penguin / Bingle are.

I wasn't worried about hammering a Supersaint yesterday. Today, I am. I'd rather get mislynched than see that happen; me hammering a Supersaint today is a scum win, unless we have a live Vig that correctly shoots the one unprotected scum. Even if the scum outright claimed during twilight, I *still* wouldn't want to play that game if I could help it. And something tells me they won't be that obliging.

I'm not a Supersaint, so we don't have to worry about losing that way, at least.

This might be part of why I'm reading Drew better today, come to think of it. The gamestate's different today than it was D1, but still.

[Hectic]

And yeah, the Fishy head.

[Hectic]

Also for most of that day phase it was Drew and Farren as the leading wagons, both on 2+ votes. Farren opted to vote for Bubgle instead and Drew sheeped that in a really weird way which at first I thought was too obvious to be a partnership. But it makes a lot more sense if they were forced to do that because both wagons were scum.
But then it's weird they didn't take my offer to vote Penpow later, but maybe they thought it'd be seen as opportunistic.

[Hectic]

Idk, nullishscum? Just he's been poppin-ey and was earlier deadset on Farren with that "kill it with fire" post, but now he's on me.

[Hectic]

Not checking back right now btw. Phone posting.

[Hectic]

What do you mean how far we'll get? Don't one of us get lynched 95% of the time if clidd flips town today?

[Hectic]

Is 70% too high or low for your liking?

[Hectic]

I'm at 70% clidd, 25% you, 5% Penpow if you want some arbitrary percentages

[Hectic]

Your slot is lean town overall I guess.

[Hectic]

@mod: V/LA until the 10th.

[Hectic]

yohoho

[Hectic]

Dat shot holes all in my idea. It was going to be epic. Fucking epic. But she is a clear voice of reason to my chaotic good and she showed me the errors in my Maverick ways.

Hectic or clidd is scum.

Clidd doesn't make sense because of the way he's pushing us.
Hectic makes sense because he's letting clidd do whatever because he knows that clidd is going to end up slipping the noose around his own neck when we flip town, which hect knows we will. When that happens hect pushes clidd tomorrow for the winning mislynch and town goes down in flames.

If hect lynch doesn't end the game then it's clidd. We'll probably be alive for lylo as jingle and pp are both conftown and clidd going to lylo with them would be suicide.

Penpow and Jingle both have you as scum before me. Why is it weird how clidd is pushing you over me?
Also, what do you expect me to do regarding clidd? I've expressed I still think it's him over you guys, it's just he gave me a little bit of paranoia, because honestly, someone replacing into a slot like this if scum, and putting this much effort into it? I would never do that considering the likely waste of time. But maybe he's just really up to the challenge, he seems like that kind of player from what I've seen from him.

[Hectic]

clidd, why would you ever vote yourself to be lynched over Fishy? No one other than Fishy has expressed a desire in lynching me today. So what's given you fear that I get lynched today, followed by you tomorrow? I don't understand why you've given up pushing for Figic so easily.

[Hectic]

By reaction, Hectic is scum. By initial read Fishy is.

Which reaction are you talking about?

[Hectic]

So you're self-voting because you're only 98% sure of Figic being scum rather than 100%? Is that right?

Pedit: oh, there it is

[Hectic]

VOTE: clidd
Sorry, I don't get that at all.

[Hectic]

What are your percentages at now, clidd?

[Hectic]

Dat shot holes all in my idea. It was going to be epic. Fucking epic. But she is a clear voice of reason to my chaotic good and she showed me the errors in my Maverick ways.

Hectic or clidd is scum.

Clidd doesn't make sense because of the way he's pushing us.
Hectic makes sense because he's letting clidd do whatever because he knows that clidd is going to end up slipping the noose around his own neck when we flip town, which hect knows we will. When that happens hect pushes clidd tomorrow for the winning mislynch and town goes down in flames.

If hect lynch doesn't end the game then it's clidd. We'll probably be alive for lylo as jingle and pp are both conftown and clidd going to lylo with them would be suicide.

Penpow and Jingle both have you as scum before me. Why is it weird how clidd is pushing you over me?
Also, what do you expect me to do regarding clidd? I've expressed I still think it's him over you guys, it's just he gave me a little bit of paranoia, because honestly, someone replacing into a slot like this if scum, and putting this much effort into it? I would never do that considering the likely waste of time. But maybe he's just really up to the challenge, he seems like that kind of player from what I've seen from him.

Figic, reply to this post

[Hectic]

I think I made a very logical explaination of how today can go best for town, and thats to vote for hect and lynch scum. And if its not hect its clidd. Unless you want me to rethink a tr on pp or jingle, but they seem to be mech cleared or they cant win here so...

If our poe is clidd/figic/hect

I know we town, and clidds play from today makes him town. If clidd has made one hell of a play and is scum then that slot dies tomorrow and town wins.

Ugh, all of your logic is "I know I'm town, so we lynch hectic today. If he flips town, we lynch clidd and win?"
Really?

[Hectic]

100% you Hectic. I saw through your move.

Oof, nvm lol, Figic, this is just scum. Do I really need to argue about this?

Anyway, clidd, what caused this flip?

[Hectic]

But anyways, im hammering.

VOTE: Clidd

Oh, what in the world

[Hectic]

Damn, sorry then, clidd. I was completely wrong.

[Hectic]

clidd, what are you doing...

[Hectic]

That was well played with that coloured VCA prep, if you're scum here, Datisi.

[Hectic]

Datisi, did you come online just after the hammer happened?

[Hectic]

True, I missed your sign there

[Hectic]

Its weird if clidd is scum because of how the optics play out when we flip town. It assures his loss either alignment he is, so he is town with a bad read. If we lynch you by that evidence and you flip town then he was running a gambit and it almost paid off, but we caught him in the end so yay!

I really don't get this though. From what I saw, clidd was pushing a read with way too much confidence to survive till the enxt day. And it doesn't guarantee his lynch tomorrow, town can be wrong about reads, and then there's the WIFOM involved of "oh, why would clidd do this as scum, it makes no sense".

Also, ftr, I wasn't swayed by his case into thinking you were scum, I was slightly swayed into think he was town based on the effort/genuineness from that case.

[Hectic]

Don't be emotional, I'm the last scum.

Lul, that would save me a whole lot of stress.

[Hectic]

Oof, this is gonna be painful. Why you do this to me, clidd.

[Hectic]

Its weird if clidd is scum because of how the optics play out when we flip town. It assures his loss either alignment he is, so he is town with a bad read. If we lynch you by that evidence and you flip town then he was running a gambit and it almost paid off, but we caught him in the end so yay!

I really don't get this though. From what I saw, clidd was pushing a read with way too much confidence to survive till the enxt day. And it doesn't guarantee his lynch tomorrow, town can be wrong about reads, and then there's the WIFOM involved of "oh, why would clidd do this as scum, it makes no sense".

Also, ftr, I wasn't swayed by his case into thinking you were scum, I was slightly swayed into think he was town based on the effort/genuineness from that case.

Appreciate an answer to this, Figic.

[Hectic]

Oh, so Creature died instead of a Bomb/Supersaint because Penpow was shooting Farren and scum!Figic would need to protect Farren there? Oh, right, because Penpow was shooting Figic night 1. Why would Figic heal themselves over Drew that night though?

[Hectic]

Oof - I was wrong on Farren.

VOTE: Farren

Penpow, remind me of where the confidence in this post came from. Was it the Farren claiming bomb thing?

[Hectic]

Ftr, I'm at 80% Figic, 20% Penpow.

[Hectic]

Appreciate an answer to this, Figic.

Its a moot point. He was town, which we called by his play, and you guys lynched. Now we are in the position where we have to figure out which of you is scum.

Youve stayed my hand on you for the time being by not coming out shooting at us when you know PP wants our head too.

-F

I mean, I'm just surprised you saw it as town with how confident he was on scum!you. And the selfvoting because he "only" had you at 98% scum rather than 100%, and you townread him for that? That's what I'm struggling to see why.

Also, why is me being not completely certain on you being scum a good thing? Can't I just be leaving my options open here?

[Hectic]

I was certain about him flipping town because his strat was suicide as scum. And I was right.

Logically, his play didn't make any sense though from town. I still don't get how he would rather selfvote than vote you because he had 2% of doubt. Felt more like AtE to me.

[Hectic]

Also, why is me being not completely certain on you being scum a good thing? Can't I just be leaving my options open here?

What about this? Your tone from EoD yesterday suggested to me you were gonna come out hard-gunning to lynch me.

[Hectic]

I was certain about him flipping town because his strat was suicide as scum. And I was right.

Logically, his play didn't make any sense though from town. I still don't get how he would rather selfvote than vote you because he had 2% of doubt. Felt more like AtE to me.

It was a trap. He hard pushed us to see what wed do, that added to the self vote made us see he was town looking to smoke you out.

Wait, what? Where did he say this?

[Hectic]

Hect, you are clearly squirming. You may as well just give up. This is the fish you have all hread about and maybe fear a little, i dunno, ive taken down bigger scum in my day, but never like this.

I mean, yeah i have you as scum, but you didnt insta vote us, so we agreed wed engage you and see what you did.

PP not instavoting us like he indicated he would yesterday threw a wrench in your plan because you would hope PP would throw a quick vote you can instahammer after.

Now you have to argue why we are scum to PP who said hes going to look at us again, and not im actually here to talk, sorry ive been neglectful dat.

Lul, what? I've entered this day clearly not 100% certain you were scum.

Also, how did you got form "Hectic is definitely scum" but with a lot more caps lock, yesterday, to:

Youve stayed my hand on you for the time being by not coming out shooting at us when you know PP wants our head too.

and then straight to:

PP not instavoting us like he indicated he would yesterday threw a wrench in your plan because you would hope PP would throw a quick vote you can instahammer after.

Now you have to argue why we are scum to PP who said hes going to look at us again, and not im actually here to talk, sorry ive been neglectful dat.

Why would you even try to engage me in the first place, I haven't even seen any attempts for you to sort Penpow this day before this post.

[Hectic]

I literally dont understand what the fuck is going on. Clidd votes us while we are voting hect causing hect to vote clidd while we are trying to convince clidd that hect is scum...

What doesn't make sense about this?

And also, why am I for lynching clidd yesterday over you? Doesn't scum!me pretending to be swayed by clidd's case into voting you condemn him more than it does me - based on his crazy certainty? This is more for you to consider, Penpow.

[Hectic]

I mean Hect, you were interacting with clidd during that. How do you not remember how that all went down?

I didn't get that he selfvoted as a "trap". I'm sorry, clidd, but I never see self-voting like that as town-indicative. My first thought is always scum AtE. But maybe that's just how my brain is wired to never self-vote as any alignment if you want to win, so I just see it like that.

[Hectic]

Also, why is me being not completely certain on you being scum a good thing?

Can't I just be leaving my options open here?

What about this? Your tone from EoD yesterday suggested to me you were gonna come out hard-gunning to lynch me.

The bolded is interesting from you. This sounds like scum fencesitting to see which way the town wind blows the vote before committing to anything.

I mean, that's literally my point lol. So why did you think me "leaving my options open" was a town-indicative thing? And now you're using it to scumread me instead?

[Hectic]

Shotgun reads list:
{Creature}
{Fishy}
{Farren, Penpow}
{Drew, Jingle}

This, Penpow? It was meant as the whole hydra. Datisi was reasonable throughout the game, and nothing pinged me as scum. I started getting pinged from the Fishy head here:

Idk, nullishscum? Just he's been poppin-ey and was earlier deadset on Farren with that "kill it with fire" post, but now he's on me.

VOTE: Farren

Kill it with fire.

-Fishy

Like he went from this to suddenly being set on scum me in 1053

[Hectic]

Whatever. You deserve the win here if you're scum, Penpow.

VOTE: Fishy Logic

[Hectic]

The fact that you are now saying it could be pp is opportunistic and scummy. I misread what PP was saying about me yesterday, whats your excuse?

Where did I say this?

You not immediately voting our slot confused me for a moment but then we realized that you voting us immediately would have bad optics to PP so you waited to see what he would do. Its not that its bad that you have your options open its that you shouldnt have your options open in this situation.

What? You thought leaving my options open was originally town-indicative, but then realised it might look

fishy

if I was too certain on scum!you? That seems pretty shallow. What do you think of my vote now then?

[Hectic]

PP, this comes down to you, talk to me about anything you need to before you vote please?

Lul, you're good at this with the whole sounding cooperative thing.

[Hectic]

This is exciting. Never been in a 3 player LyLo before. Am I supposed to continue talking to someone I know is scum, or Penpow? (assuming Penpow isn't scum who just hasn't checked the thread recently lol)

[Hectic]

Sounds good. What's the best Kamek as a profile picture in these: https://imgur.com/a/6cF3xdk

[Hectic]

Oh no

[Hectic]

I blame Jangle for this defeat.

/s

[Hectic]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I'll wait for the mod, thanks.

[Hectic]

Lul, what. Meanwhile, there's Fishy over here implying I'm scum and won.

[Hectic]

[Hectic]

Well played, Penpow.

[Hectic]

if only I wasn't blank!

Same!

[Hectic]

So I realise that this was scum sided and no way near as lolbloodbath as I had imagined because scum should not have a doc which self-protects and protects from all kills. It effectively rendered the bombs and vigilantes useless so I apologise!!

I will run this setup again knowing now how to make it run better.

I still had fun, thanks for modding! Will the PTs be released?

[Hectic]

Was fun playing with you, Farren! Hope to see you around.