Micro 915 | Brass & Shrapnel | Fin

[Fishy Logic]

Clidd is annoying me to no end, I'm trying to understand his thought process, but with him refusing to answer some questions it's just plain annoying. However. I was skimming 1979 (i think that's the number) where clidd flipped Town, and I remember him expressing certainty in his SRs to a similar degree, I'll go reread parts of that game again later.

Another thing bothering me about this is that clidd's play right now seems very... tone-deaf? Obviously if he's scum he needs to score 2 mislynches here, and this hard of a push most likely won't do him any favours in F3. In a theoretical scum!Hectic world however, lynching Fishy > clidd is easier than lynching clidd > Fishy, since clidd would look very bad if we flipped green today.

This was my first thought when waking up this morning and reading the parts of this game i've missed. I'm definitely not ready to TR clidd yet, but I want to revisit parts of this game again too.

-D

[Fishy Logic]

Actually... I’m a super saint. Fishy, hbu?

Was this a serious question? I for sure thought you got my crumbs earlier and we were on the same page.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Hi, clidd.
Datisi having that coloured VCA ready to post was pretty towny btw, but I can definitely see Datisi preparing something like that and mentioning it so someone asks for it, which she can provide. So not as towny but still towny.

Dat made it in our hydra pt so that I could look at it and see if i saw anything. After looking at the vote trends and wagon compositions of day 1 it became clear to me that there was a pattern with Farren slot and drew slot. I explained my reasoning to Dat in a private chat and then she posted it in the thread when asked and then i made a joke about her doing all the work. So that wasn't just something she had in her back pocket, she was trying to try a new thing to game solve for her.

-Fishy

[Fishy Logic]

Another thing bothering me about this is that clidd's play right now seems very... tone-deaf? Obviously if he's scum he needs to score 2 mislynches here, and this hard of a push most likely won't do him any favours in F3. In a theoretical scum!Hectic world however, lynching Fishy > clidd is easier than lynching clidd > Fishy, since clidd would look very bad if we flipped green today.

I hadnt even thought about it like this yet, but this make a lot of sense.

Clidd coming out gangbusters on us is only going to lead to his getting pushed tomorrow when we flip green, and hectic is kinda just taking a backseat to clidds read on us because he knows that tomorrow it will look worse for clidd.

VOTE: Hectic

This is where scum is, and if we need to die for you guys to see it then

[Hectic]

Huh, maybe I should be voting Figic here. I'm still favouring a clidd lynch over a you lynch, so what do you mean I'm taking a backseat because I know clidd will look worse tomorrow? He should be dead by tomorrow.

[Hectic]

I was thinking the same thing about what scum!clidd's plan is if he's completely tunnelling on Figic lynch, but he repped into a very losing slot, so it's not like there's a much better plan. Though, I've not been a fan of the Fishy head ever since the first bout of memeing he made on day 1 tbh. Like, what happened to your Farren hard scumread? And this feels like if you get me lynched today, you're in a much better position to win 1v1 against clidd the next day.

[Fishy Logic]

You're an interesting player, clidd. You've successfully planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I don't always entirely understand what you mean, but that wall was pretty genuine/convincing.

yeah, because this very much looks like you are gonna vote clidd today
-D

[Fishy Logic]

Though, I've not been a fan of the Fishy head ever since the first bout of memeing he made on day 1 tbh. Like, what happened to your Farren hard scumread? And this feels like if you get me lynched today, you're in a much better position to win 1v1 against clidd the next day.

what's wrong with memeing on first post? iirc you were also memeing for a good bit early day 1

and by what logic (haha getit gettit) are we in better position tomorrow if we swing the lynch onto you today? and this way no less?

-D

[Hectic]

You're an interesting player, clidd. You've successfully planted a seed of doubt in my mind. I don't always entirely understand what you mean, but that wall was pretty genuine/convincing.

yeah, because this very much looks like you are gonna vote clidd today
-D

I went from voting clidd 90% of the time to 70% of time

[Hectic]

Though, I've not been a fan of the Fishy head ever since the first bout of memeing he made on day 1 tbh. Like, what happened to your Farren hard scumread? And this feels like if you get me lynched today, you're in a much better position to win 1v1 against clidd the next day.

what's wrong with memeing on first post? iirc you were also memeing for a good bit early day 1

and by what logic (haha getit gettit) are we in better position tomorrow if we swing the lynch onto you today? and this way no less?

-D

The memeing was good. I mean everything since the meming hasn't pinged me as town. I think it'd be easier for scum!you to lynch the Farren slot.
It probably just is that slot though. I just looked back and saw how averse he was to voting Drew and wouldn't join his wagon even to save himself when I was asking him.

[Fishy Logic]

nothing from Fishy specifically pinged you as town, correct?

which posts were the voting aversion?

-D

[Hectic]

Holstering is

probably

right. Why aren't you willing to vote Drew, Farren?

Because I think Drew's less likely to be scum than Penguin / Bingle are.

I wasn't worried about hammering a Supersaint yesterday. Today, I am. I'd rather get mislynched than see that happen; me hammering a Supersaint today is a scum win, unless we have a live Vig that correctly shoots the one unprotected scum. Even if the scum outright claimed during twilight, I *still* wouldn't want to play that game if I could help it. And something tells me they won't be that obliging.

I'm not a Supersaint, so we don't have to worry about losing that way, at least.

This might be part of why I'm reading Drew better today, come to think of it. The gamestate's different today than it was D1, but still.

[Hectic]

And yeah, the Fishy head.

[Hectic]

Also for most of that day phase it was Drew and Farren as the leading wagons, both on 2+ votes. Farren opted to vote for Bubgle instead and Drew sheeped that in a really weird way which at first I thought was too obvious to be a partnership. But it makes a lot more sense if they were forced to do that because both wagons were scum.
But then it's weird they didn't take my offer to vote Penpow later, but maybe they thought it'd be seen as opportunistic.

[Fishy Logic]

did anything from Fish ping you as scum? or is he just a nullread and you've been reading our slot through me?
-D

[Hectic]

Idk, nullishscum? Just he's been poppin-ey and was earlier deadset on Farren with that "kill it with fire" post, but now he's on me.

[Hectic]

Not checking back right now btw. Phone posting.

[Fishy Logic]

ye, now he's on you
tho idk where your 70% voting cliss comes from then
idk how far we'll get with you SRing my other head tho, i'm a bit biased there obviously

But it makes a lot more sense if they were forced to do that because both wagons were scum.

this is also an interesting thought

does scum!Drew try to leave horrible associates when going down like he did with Farren?

-D

[Hectic]

What do you mean how far we'll get? Don't one of us get lynched 95% of the time if clidd flips town today?

[Hectic]

Is 70% too high or low for your liking?

[Fishy Logic]

"how far we'll get" was meant as "I don't think you'll be able to convince me fish is scum"

70% is confusing me since you said Fish is nullishscum in your eyes
so what's your read on our slot then?

-D

[Hectic]

I'm at 70% clidd, 25% you, 5% Penpow if you want some arbitrary percentages

[Hectic]

Your slot is lean town overall I guess.

[Fishy Logic]

yeet

[Fishy Logic]

ye i wasn't exactly looking for percentages but it's good

-D