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Post Post #264 (isolation #0) » Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:07 pm

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First gut scum read goes to Porkens. Holden post 40 read as buddying.
Exeplar reads a little trying too hard.
In post 76, Exemplar wrote:What I mean is why it would look like you were coordinating? Does scum ever coordinate posts like that? I don't think so.
yes, yes they do.
popopop seems weird.
Feeling better about Holden, Exemplar still reads as scummy.
I don't get monkey's point about Holden.
In post 141, Porkens wrote:I’m just glancing at posts but Holden talking about TVs this late is p scum
This is pretty weak.
Don't like exemplar's back and forth with popopo. Call's him tunnel, then when called out by monkey switches to scummy with this.
In post 195, Exemplar wrote:
In post 190, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Exemplar, did your scumread of popo change?
I thought his case was genuine enough, but if he's not seeing his fault and actually declaring me caught scum in page 8 after my response, he might just be scum.
That is some serious back tracking there.
In post 209, Exemplar wrote: is fake. You guys buying this false bravado?
Someone is panicing on just one vote.

vote: Exemplar


scum reads thus far Exemplar and Porkens
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Post Post #268 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:22 am

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VOTE: porkens
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Post Post #270 (isolation #2) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:18 am

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In post 269, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: Porkens

Let’s have some bacon.

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I just found this and thought it was appropriate.

Fun fact: Your first few post and I am not scum reading you. I'm sure you will do something to change it. :lol:
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Post Post #276 (isolation #3) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 4:55 am

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In post 273, HoldenGolden wrote:I liked poopoo's intial case, but dislike both examplars and poopoo's reactions to each other afterwards for different reasons.

Farside, how did poopoo sound werid to you? What do you make of the two after their interaction
Popopopo's entrance seemed weird. He just comes in, ask if any scum caught and says "I'm town". I didn't take popopopo as a troll type so it just reads weird.
I found popopopo more town in the exchange. Things I found a few things scummy about Examplar, then when examplar calls out popopo for tunneling that was just a bs reaction. As soon as he's called out about his comments on popopopo he votes pox7 from post 195

*looks at exemplar's vote*

VOTE: exemplar

It's going to take a lot for me to move this.
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Post Post #280 (isolation #4) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 5:02 am

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In post 277, HoldenGolden wrote:Townlean on inutile.
I find the handling of Monkeys posts townie in addtion of their offering to vote me in order to gague HEM intentions furthe
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popopopopopopo wrote:Welcome farside
Hey pox7. Any thoughts on porkens?
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Post Post #304 (isolation #5) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:25 am

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In post 283, popopopopopopo wrote:Porkens his content is not too good but the obliviousnes in parts strikes me as a little town. Idk, porkens is a cypher.
Ive gone back and forth on my read of porkens. Didn't like the l-1 vote without reasons. Otoh he reads a bit goofy/trollish. He wasn't trollish in the game i modded with him but its hard to see why he's doing it.
In post 286, humaneatingmonkey wrote:HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.
Still not seeing it. I don't really see you figuring him out either.
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Post Post #308 (isolation #6) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 6:50 am

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In post 307, gobbledygook wrote:Why are people voting Exemplar? I’m only on page 5. I’ll read later.
Wait, why'd you vote porken then?
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Post Post #313 (isolation #7) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:25 am

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In post 312, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 310, HoldenGolden wrote:death tunnel
do i really look like I'm deathtunneling right now?
I would say your focus has been more on holden then anyone else.
I don't know what you think about the current wagon going on.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #8) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 7:43 am

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In post 314, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I'm voting Exemplar right now, ain't I? I agree with the Exemplar wagon and I want to see it happen. I don't want Porkens to be lynched, but I appreciate the wagon.
Why not porkens? Do you see Examp/HG scum together? Any other scum reads thus far?
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Post Post #321 (isolation #9) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:52 am

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In post 319, popopopopopopo wrote:lol that dude replaced out. usually id give time for the replacement to come in, but i am convinced its scum..
Agreed.

Feeling better about monkey.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #10) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:30 am

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In post 327, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 265, Porkens wrote:VOTE: exemplar. Who’s scummy now haha
Farside and pox7, I voted Porkens for this post specifically. But I had been scumreading Porkens since he said he wasn’t going to fake an RVS vote which reads scummy to me since a townie shouldn’t need to fake anything.

Farside and pox7, what alignment do you think Porkens is?

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I am reading now from page 5!
Answer in thread.
In post 334, inutile wrote:
In post 320, Porkens wrote:I feel like Holden is scumanhis partners derailed his wagon but exemplar replacing out is hella scummy
if i tilt my head at just the right angle it kinda feels like monkey/holden are doing limit/skitter.
Can you explain what you mean. Too lazy to read another game.
In post 332, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 326, popopopopopopo wrote:honestly the best possible play exemplar could make there as scum is to replace out. why dont we save the mod and his replacement a lot of trouble
Why are trying to entice me to vote when I already said I prefer to wait?

Pedit: which I'm fine with. But your painting the replacement situation as only scummy in 326.
what spurred you to give this read at that moment?
I was commenting on the other non HEM stuff in the pages I was alseep for
Curious. You votes examplar, was fine with him at l-1 ,but feel gun shy when he replaces out........why?
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Post Post #372 (isolation #11) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:11 am

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In post 360, gobbledygook wrote:Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already
So why the unvote? Are you scum reading anyone else?
Sorry I saw the unvote and I thought you voted examplar.

@GG: I voted pork when I saw the vote on examplar, but after examp made his comment it reinforced my scum read on him and thought about porkens in a different aspect. With the waiting to see what else he says.
popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 357, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 353, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 352, HoldenGolden wrote:Popo engage with me
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Since we are waiting on the replacement to fully catch up, do you have any other reads?
farside is town
holden town lean
gobble is kinda scummy
GG has been reading scummy in many a game with me. I found his vote on pork weird by I liked his follow up as to why he was scum reading pork.
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Post Post #379 (isolation #12) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:18 am

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gobbledygook wrote:
In post 372, farside22 wrote:So why the unvote?
I didn’t unvote Porkens. I’m still voting him.
Sorry my question was to go to HG. I really need to make sure I grab the right quote when I'm posting.
I just thinking as I'm typing.

@HG: Why the unvote?
In post 350, inutile wrote:
In post 349, farside22 wrote:Can you explain what you mean. Too lazy to read another game.
elaborate potentially risky scum theatre
You think HG/Monkey are risky scum theatre? Why do you say that?
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Post Post #389 (isolation #13) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 11:35 am

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In post 384, popopopopopopo wrote:anyone think its weird he claimed 1 shot hider then said after he was weak, but like it was already implied in his claim

maybe scum gobble thought hiders were weak by default and did not know he had to fake claim the weak moderator, he thought it was inherent in the role. so he thought he did not have to claim weak in order for us to know this. could be a scumslip.
I'd let this go. See what happens. I think if gg is what he claimed it is a benefit for town. I see no reason to lynch him based on how he claimed.
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Post Post #405 (isolation #14) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:55 pm

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In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
Why the scum read on bug?
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Post Post #418 (isolation #15) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:45 pm

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In post 399, popopopopopopo wrote:yea when u think about it claiming ur hider target is really bad, gives scum a double nk if ur wrong
He's got to find a way to claim. If he hides under scum and says nothing we get no info.
It's a damn/damn situation,.
In post 407, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 404, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
You are neutral on exemplar slot?

Can you explain the HEM read?
Reserving judgment on Exemplar until Ame catchup.
HEM read comes from the fact that I think he is actively trying to figure out alignments of people he is interacting with.
In post 405, farside22 wrote:
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
Why the scum read on bug?
He is not scumhunting. Do you townread the slot? If so, why?
He's pretty invisible compared to other players. All I saw was him saying holden was weird and complain about the number of pages. I would say given the type of game where in I put him under actively lurking.
I actually forgot he was in the game, which was why I asked why the scum read.

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Post Post #425 (isolation #16) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:50 pm

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Ame wrote:Gobbles should keep his target hidden since I can track him. So if he dies, I'll know who he targeted. If I die, he'll be around to say who he targeted.
In post 412, gobbledygook wrote:Thoughts?
Meh. I find her reaction to the wagon good so far. Curious to see where it goes before final decision.
Ame wrote:Gobbles should keep his target hidden since I can track him. So if he dies, I'll know who he targeted. If I die, he'll be around to say who he targeted.
p sure you can't target a hider. They are not targetable by anything.
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Post Post #427 (isolation #17) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:52 pm

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In post 422, gobbledygook wrote:The resistance to Porkens is annoying!

VOTE: Bugspray
I'm giving porkens one more chance to see if he can post anything that is worth a damn before I vote there. Might as well give pressure to the lurker of the game.
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Post Post #428 (isolation #18) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:53 pm

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Mod: Do you use natural action resolution for this game
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Post Post #437 (isolation #19) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:10 pm

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In post 436, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 433, Ame wrote:
In post 431, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 430, Ame wrote:
In post 429, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 417, Ame wrote:
In post 415, HoldenGolden wrote:Oh there was a claim.

I was voting to hold ame accountable to actually actively catching up instead of hiding behind other interactions
What gave you the impression I was hiding?
Less of I thought you were hiding and more preemptively not allowing scum!you to wait and post a catch up post after the conversation moved away.

It makes sense in my head, but it may not be coming out clearly
So what was the reason you unvoted HEM earlier?
To give a possibilty an intent of hammer could come from me like I've said.
OK but you said you unvoted to "pressure" me so why did you vote if you were already "pressuring" me? What changed between those two posts?
Your wagon dropped to L2. I voted to get it back to L1 to maintain the notion.

My intentions with the unvote was to voice that I was waiting only on the catch up post. That was to try and stress that point by unvoting HEM and hovering over the wagon.
Honestly I don't see how unvoting someone really causes any player to believe you are going to vote them.
Unvotes just read awkward to me typically.
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Post Post #440 (isolation #20) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:15 pm

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I felt meh about the claim. I liked Ame's reaction better then the claim.
I've seen too many fake claims in my time to take any at face value.
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Post Post #444 (isolation #21) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:21 pm

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In post 441, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 438, Ame wrote:
In post 435, gobbledygook wrote:Well be happy that I didn't do it!
"Give me all your money or I'm going to punch you in the face"
"Ok here, but why"
"I really want your money and to punch you in the face. Be glad I'm giving you a second leash on your pretty face"
"That's shitty"
"Well be glad I didn't punch you!"
Except I never punched you so your analogy doesn’t apply ;)
That's Ame's point. :lol:

*makes wooshing sound over GG's head*
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Post Post #445 (isolation #22) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:22 pm

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In post 443, Micc wrote:
In post 428, farside22 wrote:
Mod: Do you use natural action resolution for this game
Yes.
In post 442, Ame wrote:Town
Shiki
Farsi
Bugs: meta
Gobbles: claim, play is scummy

Scummy
holden: wanting replacement to catchup then putting them at l-1, posting after shiki indicative of active lurking, doesn't seem to be really trying to figure things out. there was something else but i forgot i need to look back
po: pushing over sorting, fake concern about activity while not trying to push the game forward

Scum
hem: like this is pretty obvious? his prodding on why shiki wasn't voting holden was so fake. wont explain his push on holden. didn't want porkers lynched for some reason. likely scumbuddies with pp based on his interaction, said something like "buddy me" which was completely random and exactly the way scum!Hem interacted with his scum partner shiki in the last game and his scum partner bugs in the game before.

Vote: HEM
Bugs lurks and offers nothing typically?
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Post Post #446 (isolation #23) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:24 pm

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Sorry I meant to add the Natural action resolution means copy, hiding......wiki
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Post Post #532 (isolation #24) » Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:52 pm

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I'm thinking monkey/bug scum team at this point.
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Post Post #534 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:20 am

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In post 479, humaneatingmonkey wrote:gook hiding under Ame would kill him if Ame is scum. but if gook is fakeclaiming and said he hid under Ame, a scum buddy, they control the lynch for one day and there's no way to disprove it otherwise.
See this implies you think GG is scum. Looking at your post you don't talk about a scum read on GG. This just reads as trying to create a false narrative.
In post 533, humaneatingmonkey wrote:farside, if I'm town, who is scum in my tail right now?
I would say the only other player I don't have a read on currently is inutile.
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Post Post #537 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:45 am

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Hmmm i just had an epiphany. Why would examplar replace out without claiming if he had a pr?
Just pondering that.
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Post Post #539 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:59 am

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In post 538, gobbledygook wrote:Why would Exemplar do that if he knew he was replacing out?
Well the replaced out looked scummy. He was under scrutiny during the time. It just hit me.
Id just look at ame with her defense of bug if he flips scum.
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In post 540, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 537, farside22 wrote:Just pondering that.
i admit, I'm scumreading Ame, but your "pondering here" and your hesitation to explicitly say that this is scummy and leaving us to infer for ourselves that it's scummy makes me have an epiphany myself. Just pondering this.
How do I explain this.......sometimes things just hit me and I post about it in the game to see if it makes sense. I wonder if I'm going crazy or if I'm thinking about things correctly. Sometimes I feel strongly about those moments.
This is one of those that I thought about the replacement and my initial feeling of it. Just a bit of paranoia.
TBF the back and forth between Ame and you I would say you look more scummy.
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In post 543, humaneatingmonkey wrote:You would be wrong because I'm town. You are also town, I bet. How legendary are your reads?
Ups and downs. I tunnel on players and sometimes miss things.
In post 553, humaneatingmonkey wrote:yeah i dont know how to read this slot, and I'm not open to lynching it right now. why is bugs scum and not town?
What di you think of his comments about pork?
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In post 544, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 539, farside22 wrote:
In post 538, gobbledygook wrote:Why would Exemplar do that if he knew he was replacing out?
Well the replaced out looked scummy. He was under scrutiny during the time. It just hit me.
Id just look at ame with her defense of bug if he flips scum.
I would do this but I’m really hoping I just die on Porkens tonight. :lol:
Do you really think bug/pork makes sense as scum team?
That was a pretty weak reason from bug to vote pork.
In post 553, humaneatingmonkey wrote:yeah i dont know how to read this slot, and I'm not open to lynching it right now. why is bugs scum and not town?
No substance compared to others. Weak reasons for vote on pork. A bit of POE at this point for me.
TBF I didn't check his meta and from what I read from a few it's not really easy to tell his alignment.
In post 558, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i'm going to trust your reads and inutile reads and piggyback off of them as needed. carry me this game. if i get lynched, it's your responsibility to find the scum in my wagon. you have no say in this. kthxbye.

In post 571, humaneatingmonkey wrote:I can't read this slot because I'm too biased that it's scum. I defer to farside for this one.
Just not liking the buddying I'm getting from this spot.

Scum reads: HEM, bug
Questionable: Ame, intutile
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Post Post #655 (isolation #31) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:34 am

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In post 641, Ame wrote:
In post 472, Porkens wrote:WOW I was not expecting this turn in the game. Interesting and puzzling. I don’t understand how hider works exactly but I assume others in the thread do and will jump on any inaccuracies. So what gobbled is saying here is that he’s going to hide behind me and nothing can stop that. If he dies, that means he targeted scum. Right?
AND if he doesn’t die, that means I’m confirmed town BUT if I get nightkilled then we both die?
AND I assume that means he cant be nightkilled while hiding.
SO if all the above is right; we will both die tonight because otherwise im clear tomorrow.

I have further thoughts about this…but I haven’t checked the thread since I started this so I’ll treat it as a separate matter.
Looking at this again, I agree with bugs that this
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I don't see this as an overreaction. Im not sure why you do. Hider when town can hurt a game. Porks is right, now that gg outted his ability and he claims a target if that player is town and scum know ut thats 2 dead town players.

Gg: would you hide behind bug?

If porks is scum he'd be more worried about being checked.
In post 644, Ame wrote:@Inutile what are your reads?
What do you think of the point I made in ?
What do you think of the point I made in ?

@Farside what do you find questionable about Inutile?
What are your thoughts on my bugs town case?
What are your thoughts on ?

@pox7
What are your thoughts on ?
(I'm also still curious about your read on Monkey)
I didn't check the meta but it sound like from what i read he waits longer as scum to talk about his reads?
Ill check it out later today. Im away from my computer temporarily so let me grab some stuff in regards to inutile
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Post Post #656 (isolation #32) » Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:54 am

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In post 33, inutile wrote:
In post 31, Porkens wrote:A real TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone to blend in with the herd.
A fake TVs vote is when you pretend to randomly vote for someone strategically to encourage future conditions.

Generally you care more about the second but pretend to care more about the first.

Huah?
i would say that the purpose of blending in with the herd would generally also be to strategically encourage future conditions but i think i'm following. what do you make of the coincidence i pointed out with regards to holdengolden's posting pattern?
In post 37, inutile wrote:
In post 35, humaneatingmonkey wrote:looks like nonsense to me, tbh
i posted and then one minute later holdengolden posted and then neither of us posted for fifteen minutes and then i posted and one minute later holdengolden posted and then neither of us posted for half an hour and then i posted and one minute later holdengolden posted.
In post 36, humaneatingmonkey wrote:are you madoka?
i am a vanilla town.
In post 80, inutile wrote:
In post 76, Exemplar wrote:What I mean is why it would look like you were coordinating? Does scum ever coordinate posts like that? I don't think so.
it could easily be construed to look like we were talking to eachother in the scum pt between posts by holdengolden's potential partner in the case that holdengolden was lynched.
In post 166, inutile wrote:
In post 163, humaneatingmonkey wrote:you've been alluding HG as scum and making a ruckus about it, and now you don't have the intention to vote?
scum is in this wagon if they don't vote because they've been blowing smokes with no intention to commit to their reads.
i currently have a scumread on holdengolden. it is the strongest read i have so far. if that is what you are interpreting as intention to vote, then yes, i have 'intention to vote'. if you are saying that i should do so now and we should immediately lynch holdengolden otherwise i am mafia i have a hard time believing that is a town thought process.
In post 211, inutile wrote:
In post 210, humaneatingmonkey wrote:WHY are you still not voting HG?
because i don't want to put him to L-1 as i don't want him to claim right now and i also don't want him to be lynched right now, which i've already more or less spelled out.
In post 219, inutile wrote:
In post 215, humaneatingmonkey wrote:is he at L-1? is there intent to hammer? are we in a gamestate where a lynch would realistically happen? why are you so soft on your scumread? are you really scumreading him?
he is at L-2. my vote would put him to L-1, at which point it would not be unreasonable for him to claim and it is also possible he would be lynched. i am 'soft' on my scumread to the extent that my putting additional pressure on him in the form of my vote seems more a net negative than a net positive at this point in the game. why is my vote necessary? what purpose does it serve for you?
In post 247, inutile wrote:
In post 245, humaneatingmonkey wrote:UNVOTE:

you say i will orchestrate a hammer, but that involves someone else putting HG at L-1 and you think nothing of that person?
VOTE: holdengolden

they would, most likely, be the person you orchestrated the hammer with. regardless, it is more on you than it is on them. your second strongest scumread, that you plan on pressuring, has expressed potential issues with his own vote. this leave him open to possibly moving here as well. anyway, there you go.
In post 257, inutile wrote:
In post 256, humaneatingmonkey wrote:your assumption that i would automatically be scummy if i hammer HoldenGolden seems to imply HoldenGolden will flip town if I hammer.
UNVOTE:

this is enough for me to back out of this and reevaluate tomorrow. you would be scummy if you hammered someone you agreed not to vote on. that scumminess would of course be lessened greatly if holdengolden flipped town. but why would you, as town, agree to this deal, and then hammer holdengolden anyway?
In post 263, inutile wrote:
In post 261, humaneatingmonkey wrote:so you think HG and I are TvS or TvT only?
no? that was in the case that you hammered him and he flipped scum, which i think was clear from context.
In post 334, inutile wrote:
In post 320, Porkens wrote:I feel like Holden is scumanhis partners derailed his wagon but exemplar replacing out is hella scummy
if i tilt my head at just the right angle it kinda feels like monkey/holden are doing limit/skitter.
In post 350, inutile wrote:
In post 349, farside22 wrote:Can you explain what you mean. Too lazy to read another game.
elaborate potentially risky scum theatre
In post 393, inutile wrote:
In post 389, farside22 wrote:I'd let this go. See what happens. I think if gg is what he claimed it is a benefit for town. I see no reason to lynch him based on how he claimed.
a benefit to the town how? we lose a lynch if he finds scum, we lose a lynch if he dies with a town, or he doesn't give information. maybe i'm misunderstanding.

So a lot of my questionable feel for inutile was from the start how he posted about holden as scum for what reads as busy work reasons. Then he says holden is his scummiest read but doesn't vote him, supposedly because he doesn't want to put him at l-1.
Then after monkey unvotes, he votes holden.
Now i thought maybe uts a reaction test but he says that he sees hem and holden scum together.
Since then he's unvoted, hasn't talked about scum reads on anyone and just sitting by asking questions to look busy in my mind.
Ive been waiting to see if he comes up with some push or scum read. But i have no clue where his reads are at.
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Post Post #697 (isolation #33) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:12 am

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Waiting for ame before voting. Don't need a lol hammer without info.
Not sure why GG didn't do his hide. Are you doing it tonight?
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Post Post #698 (isolation #34) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:13 am

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I'm curious about inu as well. He was calling HG/HEM scum play and hasn't said anything else.
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Post Post #793 (isolation #35) » Tue Jun 09, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 704, inutile wrote:
In post 698, farside22 wrote:I'm curious about inu as well. He was calling HG/HEM scum play and hasn't said anything else.
you've now repeated this but i do not understand what it is based on. you say i have no stances but i felt through much of yesterday like i had an excess of scumreads. do you think i asked what happened to your porkens read (a question you conveniently never replied to) because i had no opinion of your weird progression on the slot and the scumread you apparently forgot about? do you think i asked porkens his read of you at random or because in addition to your weird progression on his slot he simply stated a strong townread of you without ever having given real explanation for it despite making a rather elaborate reads posts? do you think there was no reason i was questioning the town benefit of gobbles claim? or do you think, perhaps, that i thought it was somewhat unlikely there'd be a net negative utility town role in a nine person game? do you think i have no opinion of ame's scumreads being seemingly based in my opinions while no real reasoning was given for her townreads?
I talked about my pork read here a bit:
In post 304, farside22 wrote:
In post 283, popopopopopopo wrote:Porkens his content is not too good but the obliviousnes in parts strikes me as a little town. Idk, porkens is a cypher.
Ive gone back and forth on my read of porkens. Didn't like the l-1 vote without reasons. Otoh he reads a bit goofy/trollish. He wasn't trollish in the game i modded with him but its hard to see why he's doing it.
In post 286, humaneatingmonkey wrote:HG rolled scum this game guys. Trust me.
Still not seeing it. I don't really see you figuring him out either.

Since then I didn't see anything scummy about pork. I see someone looking at the game as a whole and pushing his thoughts out there.
In post 743, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 741, Ame wrote:Gobbles, why did you town read me yesterday?
I townread Exemplar for his play prior to ragequitting. I also thought the ragequit was more likely to come from town than scum. When you defended bugspray, I thought there was a possibility my read on bugspray was wrong. However, after that hammer and the fake mea culpa afterward I think that I was right. I now scumread you because you have been a strident defender of bugspray who I think is scum.

The confidence is 70%. I still think there is a possibility that you are town and I do not want to lynch you today.
farside not gunning for my throat when I said I could not confirm someone is suspicious. She wants to kill me on a good day and this is most definitely a Bad Day, so her not wanting to kill me is odd.
:lol:
Funny enough I would have been more suspicious had you said you visited someone and said it was bug. But at the end of the day the right move is not to visit anyone.

I'm still catching up but I'm in the middle of a few things today.
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Post Post #810 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:14 am

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Sorry, just having some rl issues keeping me occupied. I will be getting to this game later today.
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Post Post #812 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:56 am

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In post 716, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 714, Ame wrote:I was roleblocked.

Also why on earth would we not lynch Gobbles. He’s doing exactly as I said.
Are you daft? Do you not realize how scummy Bugspray’s hammer is?
I endorse this product and/or service.
In post 726, gobbledygook wrote:I didn’t want to kill SS, but Bugspray lolhammered before I could say anything. I should have unvoted when HEM left because that felt townie but I was distracted by other games.
Why did you feel that? Like you said that about examplar too but how is replacing under pressure reading as town?
In post 729, gobbledygook wrote:Truthfully america you’re lucky I didn’t just lolhammer you myself. I contemplated it when I gave intent to save you the trouble of reading the game.

Please reread end of day yesterday and give me your opinions on Bugspray hammering the literal vote after a vote count and not realizing it was a hammer vote.
Question: If bug hammered without the oops would you have thought of it any differently?
In post 742, Porkens wrote:The replace out triggered me to vote him. It was time for a corpse anyway. However, I should have unvoted after SS didn’t self. Big sprays oopshammer is bullshit imo.
Why did you unvote bug?

note to self recheck gg's thoughts on examplar

someone is keeping all their options open. :roll:
In post 763, gobbledygook wrote:I thought you were town and I want to hit scum with my hide.
pretty sure you said you were going to hide behind porks for awhile day 1.
You never stated a town read on him that I recall.
In post 796, Ame wrote:
In post 793, farside22 wrote:Funny enough I would have been more suspicious had you said you visited someone and said it was bug. But at the end of the day the right move is not to visit anyone.
Why was it the right move given ?
The reason I made my statement was the hammer by bug looked hella scummy. Inu point about if we lynch incorrectly is more valid about GG not using his ability, but personally if I was an outed hider and I didn't claim my target I would have probably not hid behind anyone either in a micro game.
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Post Post #813 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 4:57 am

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In post 811, Porkens wrote:Farside I’m kinda lost here.
Just want to check a few things, but I'm almost down to POE.
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Post Post #814 (isolation #39) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:08 am

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In post 377, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 375, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 373, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 371, popopopopopopo wrote:convenient to claim an unconfirmable 1 shot PR when under the slightest amount of pressure
Idrc, I’m probably going to die night 1, you won’t have to worry
how would u die night 1, ur a hider
I’m going to hide behind pork if we don’t lynch him. He’s probably scum so I’m probably dead. If not scum shoot him and take 2 town out but I forced them to kill mislynch bait
In post 419, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 416, Ame wrote:Why did you put me at L-1 Holden?
Gobbles why did you have the intent to hammer me if you were waiting on my catchup before judgement?
I wanted your claim and I love hammering people. It really took everything in me not to hammer you while you said you were gonna catchup. ;)

I've given you a second leash on life, don't disappoint. <3
In post 458, gobbledygook wrote:ame track me
In post 597, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: HEM
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
In post 717, gobbledygook wrote:I didn’t use my hider last night because I didn’t want to target Porkens at the end of day but it all ended so quickly before I could crumb a new target.
A few problems I have with GG right now is that he talked about going to pork, wanted Ame to track him (I forgot about that request) then claims he didn't hide behind anyone.
He also stated a twon read on HG, but then says he is null, votes HEM and thinks the rage quit was town in both cases (which again is at best NAI) but I read as scummy given the situation.
He is calling bugs out for hammering but he stated he would do it himself to Ame.

I get the impression that GG is contradicting himself a lot this game and keeping his reads safe following others while pushing no one till today, which is bugs for the hammer.

I sense scum bussing at this point.
If I'm wrong I would pull back and put back to inu who just kept a whole of of open reads to say anyone is scum.

VOTE: bugs

Scum: Bugs with either Gobble/inu
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Post Post #815 (isolation #40) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:10 am

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Just noticed the vote count. Consider me on GG in spirt.
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Post Post #824 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:17 am

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In post 817, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 815, farside22 wrote:Just noticed the vote count. Consider me on GG in spirt.
???

We could very easily make a Bugspray lynch happen.

This post makes no sense and furthers my idea that it’s bugs and farside
Nice try, I'm voting bug but please keep deflecting and proving my point.
In post 816, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 812, farside22 wrote:Why did you feel that? Like you said that about examplar too but how is replacing under pressure reading as town?
Because people know deep down if they are scum getting pressured it isn’t malicious (well, most people, we do have players on this site who treat any type of pressure on them as malicious).
Anyway, a townie is way more likely to get upset and thus replace out when people incorrectly pressure them. I know I get super upset and annoyed when I’m pressured as town because it means everyone is doing something wrong and that’s frustrating to experience.
As scum you know people are just doing their job.

That’s the way I see it. I think if I was HEM or Exemplar I would have replaced out too. Both of them had one main opponent who was just guns a blazing trying to kill them (pox7 for Exemplar, Hg for HEM).
That is bullshit. Players replace out as town and scum. Pressure or no. Saying that a player only does it under pressure is town.

Hey mod replace bug or gg they are under pressure they must be town. That's is fucking crap and you know it.


In post 820, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 814, farside22 wrote:He is calling bugs out for hammering but he stated he would do it himself to Ame
If you can’t see the difference between wanting to hammer and actually hammering then... you won’t be able to catch any scum at all.
You stated you were going to hammer but changed your mind. I'm asking why someone hammering is different in your eyes.
I don't hammer for lolz, I find it anti-town/scummy.
In post 822, Porkens wrote:
In post 712, Ame wrote:It’s not bugs + America.

@porkens could you unvote? We have 3 days, there’s no reason to rush the lynch.

Inutile what are your reads?
Ame asked me to unvote.



Farside, are you scum? Why are you voting bugs if you wanna lynch gg?
No I'm not scum.
I find the hammer by scum far scummier then GG. He says he didn't know it was a hammer but the vc was right before he hammered. That's an obvious lie.
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Post Post #825 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:20 am

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In post 809, bugspray wrote:
In post 807, Ame wrote:Or were you joking?
did it seriously look like a joke to you?
In post 808, Ame wrote:Also @bugs what do you think of the stuff with Gobbles?
his logic is sound but tonally it reads like scum that's getting frustrated because the easy mislynch is actually taking a bit of effort
I mean seriously did you see this post from Bug when ame asked him about the vote.
He completely side steps it by asking a question back. That is not an answer to the question. You know why, it wasn't a joke. He knew that was a hammer and pretending otherwise is a fucking joke in it's self.
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Post Post #834 (isolation #43) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:38 am

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In post 826, Ame wrote:Farside what do you make of pox7 refusing to answer about why they were complaining about the pace?
Its pretty nai.
I thinking complaining to complain isn't alignment indictive. Ive see players do it before when they have nothing to add as both alignments.
In post 827, bugspray wrote:My pronouns is they them
Sorry.
In post 830, Ame wrote:Also @Farside what do you think of the paranoia Porkens expressed regarding you throughout ?
Pretty sure your asking about this comment:

I like this analysis, it looks to be coming from a scumhunting POV, the read on me is totally justified. The only problem is that scum Farside can fake all of this in her sleep.
I lol'd that anyone would think i was that good as scum.
Parania comes across as town more often then scum.
In post 832, Ame wrote:
In post 817, gobbledygook wrote:This post makes no sense
I fully agree with this. This looks opportunistic.
Nah i would have just voted gg without batting an eye as scum. I typically find 2 players scummy I would vote them both, but if i find one more scummy my vite stays on them. Gg know better too.
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Post Post #844 (isolation #44) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:29 am

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In post 835, Ame wrote:@Farside do you have a response to this?
In post 704, inutile wrote:
In post 698, farside22 wrote:I'm curious about inu as well. He was calling HG/HEM scum play and hasn't said anything else.
you've now repeated this but i do not understand what it is based on. you say i have no stances but i felt through much of yesterday like i had an excess of scumreads. do you think i asked what happened to your porkens read (a question you conveniently never replied to) because i had no opinion of your weird progression on the slot and the scumread you apparently forgot about? do you think i asked porkens his read of you at random or because in addition to your weird progression on his slot he simply stated a strong townread of you without ever having given real explanation for it despite making a rather elaborate reads posts? do you think there was no reason i was questioning the town benefit of gobbles claim? or do you think, perhaps, that i thought it was somewhat unlikely there'd be a net negative utility town role in a nine person game? do you think i have no opinion of ame's scumreads being seemingly based in my opinions while no real reasoning was given for her townreads?
I responded to the post here
In post 837, Porkens wrote:I want it on the record that while I believe she is town and will vote with her all the way to lylo, I’m telling her (and everyone) that there is a part of me that is convinced she is scum and screams at me every time I read her posts.

hi I’m that part. Farside isn’t doing anything outstanding with her posts. It’s not like she’s taking any risks. She’s just posting well and conveying her thoughts in a believable way. This says absolutely nothing about her alignment. The “but I’m not good at scum” is actually the scummiest thing she could have said there. It’s like the employee of the month who you know is stealing but have no evidence to prove it’s them. Scumread me for this if you want I literally do not give a fuck. But let it be known that this half of my brain scumreads the shirt out of farside. Technically though I’m not in this game so I don’t get a vote.
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Post Post #846 (isolation #45) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 9:31 am

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In post 838, Porkens wrote:
In post 833, Ame wrote:
In post 831, Porkens wrote:Which way are you leaning ame?
I'm not sure yet. I'm still waiting for some questions to be answered.
So your fence sitting until someone tells you how to vote?

Oh god I’m sorry about this...

you are fucking scum ame. You replaced scum and you are scum. Your inumerável questions are bland, busywork inducing, unhelpful to the game nonsense and I’ll eat my hat if they lead to anything protown. You hide behind empty interrogation and dither.
I'm totally in love with this duel personality thing you are doing. I wish I had the imagination to do something like this. May for another game. It looks fun.


Anyways back to game talk. I will not vote pork or ame. Those are my 2 strongest town reads. Pox7 seems to have fallen off the face of this game day 2.
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Post Post #851 (isolation #46) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:20 am

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Inu: i have 2 main scum reads. There is no wishy washy stuff about that. I looked at your list because everyone on your list had something you slighted as scummy in some small way.
Im just noticing with after the hanner from bug that pox7 is being a bit quiet. I noticed that quiet tends to come from scum to town.
Im listing my lynch preferences....are you?
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Post Post #854 (isolation #47) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:27 am

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In post 852, inutile wrote:
In post 851, farside22 wrote:Inu: i have 2 main scum reads. There is no wishy washy stuff about that. I looked at your list because everyone on your list had something you slighted as scummy in some small way.
Im just noticing with after the hanner from bug that pox7 is being a bit quiet. I noticed that quiet tends to come from scum to town.
Im listing my lynch preferences....are you?
my list was in order, my vote is on gobbledygook and i have expressed that i found the hammer and what bugspray said after it very very scummy. what did you find wishy washy about my main two scumreads?
In post 746, inutile wrote:
In post 712, Ame wrote:Inutile what are your reads?
like i said i have been scumreading pretty much everyone to some extent so this list is mostly an attempt to weigh those scumreads against eachother. when i am kinda manic and excited to play i become don quixote tilting at windmills.

least likely to be mafia

farside - the associatives with porkens are the only thing i've noted as scummy. her stance on me feels unfair but not necessarily mafia indicative.
popopopopopopo - making a show out of wanting content instead of trying to get that content from players still feels mafia indicative to me. refusing to discuss that further also felt scummy to me. confidently declaring exemplar 100% scum probably a playstyle thing.
porkens - associatives with farside + the readslist being presented as a 'hey look i'm not scummy anymore' type of thing. like before that he was understanding of people scumreading him and then he made a big show out of having this big post coming, and then he presented that post as if it were meant to make him look town not to solve the game.
ame - the possible mafia reasons for the initial reads you presented feel stronger to me than the town reasons.
bugspray - it is hard to put that hammer any higher than this.
i think they knew it was a hammer, but i don't know if town!bugspray would lie about not knowing it was a hammer. maybe. like 'i am going to believe in my reads this game' then hammering someone they thought was scummy follows, but the oh didn't mean to hammer part doesn't.

gobbledygook - too hard for me to believe him with all of the factors considered.

most likely to be mafia
To be fair the bold reads very fence sitting on bug so it's hard to see you saying yes that is my second strongest scum read.
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Post Post #968 (isolation #48) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:16 pm

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In post 863, gobbledygook wrote:If Bugspray flips scum, Ame’s scum equity goes up. That said she’s the only other power role claimed so I am townreading her for now.
Farside I think is playing both sides with the vote on Bugspray and the spiritual vote on me.

Inutile’s paranoia and stubborness on me looks town.
Porkens reads town now too.

Farside > pox7 > good luck
In post 884, Porkens wrote:Oh fine I’m a parody cop. Bugspray and Ame are not the same alignment

Ugh i got through this read and i feel confused by pork and ame.

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I need to think and reread
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Post Post #970 (isolation #49) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:17 pm

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Im a vt
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Post Post #975 (isolation #50) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 1:23 pm

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In post 967, Porkens wrote:Why claim doctor then? Why would scum target neither power role?
There is a lot of wifom with that question.

I think ame tow. I dont doubt that based on her actions and pushes this game.
Pox7 has gone under ground this game day.
Pork looks like he was doing a reaction test with gg if i read all that correctly.
Im just not sure why gg bought that or didn't question that a bit more. The role seemed a bit nutty.
Hmmmmm poe

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Post Post #992 (isolation #51) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 986, popopopopopopo wrote:farside ur big on meta is this my scum meta this game?
I don't see anything this game day that reads your figuring things out. I see no reason not to push you while you glide under the radar.
In post 989, Ame wrote:I just mean I don’t think they are doc. Jailkeeper and Roleblocker are both feasible.
Do you think he is lying about his claim?
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Post Post #998 (isolation #52) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:12 pm

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In post 996, Ame wrote:
In post 992, farside22 wrote:Do you think he is lying about his claim?
Yes
I'm confused. You think bug is either a jk or rb?
I would think you would vote for bug if you believed bug was scum.
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Post Post #1001 (isolation #53) » Wed Jun 10, 2020 5:50 pm

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In post 999, Ame wrote:Yes, you believe their claim?
Why do you expect me to vote? It takes four to vote and I'm not ready to lynch.
Idk. I wait to see how or what is said by the player to determine if i believe the claim.
Its an easy claim to fake for scum.
Everything you've stated prior to the claim was town read or uncertain with bug. So its hard to tell where you stand.
Its not like your vote would put him at l-1 so im not sure why you wouldn't vote.
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Post Post #1008 (isolation #54) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 8:16 am

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In post 1006, Porkens wrote:So is there any kind of consensus on whether hider+tracker+doc is possible or is there one scum there?
Tracker/doc can get a bit one sided but if scum have an RB it takes that out.
Hider can go either way but you have a cycle can can verify a hider (I think?) that would be different. Mod said the game was NAR so I don't see how tracker/doc can help with the hider.
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Post Post #1016 (isolation #55) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:43 am

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In post 1009, Porkens wrote:So would you say it makes more sense to lynch in or out of PRs today?
If I were to pick one I would say Bug only because so far he hasn't done anything to change my impression of him.
Sense lynching a claimed pr????? The only time I think about doing that is with a CC, a game that is role madness or if something doesn't make sense.
Played a mini recently that had 2 miller claims and an IC. This was all on day 1. The CC I legit felt was town but the player that claimed read town to me so I looked elsewhere. Most disagreed and I could see too many would WIFOM the claim with the CC. So lynched the claimed miller even though I felt he was town.
I was right he was town and so was the CC. So nothing to me is ever really that simple.
Ultimately it's about does that player read as scummy.
With bug? Yes.
With Ame? No
With GG? I'm leaning on no.
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Post Post #1017 (isolation #56) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:46 am

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In post 1015, Ame wrote:I'm going to see how many of these combinations I can eliminate

Bugs + Farsi
Bugs + Inu

Bugs + Pork
Bugs + popo

Bugs + Gobbles

Inu + Farsi
Inu + popo


popo + Farsi
popo + Pork
I bolded the ones that make the most sense to me.
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Post Post #1019 (isolation #57) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:52 am

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In post 1018, Porkens wrote:Sorry just to clarify; are you saying that you don’t lynch a claimed PR without a Cc except when they are as scummy as Bugs?
I have and I would. I'm waiting to see if bugs does anything to change my read while poking on pox7
Who has decided to be as invisible as bug is in this game.
Well there is another time I voted a PR claim that wasn't CC but something didn't add up with the claim or target.
Are you saying you don't lynch a claimed PR or never have?
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Post Post #1020 (isolation #58) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:53 am

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Follow up to Pork: Do you really see anything town about bug?
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Post Post #1027 (isolation #59) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:27 am

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In post 1024, Porkens wrote:
In post 1019, farside22 wrote:
In post 1018, Porkens wrote:Sorry just to clarify; are you saying that you don’t lynch a claimed PR without a Cc except when they are as scummy as Bugs?
I have and I would. I'm waiting to see if bugs does anything to change my read while poking on pox7
Who has decided to be as invisible as bug is in this game.
Well there is another time I voted a PR claim that wasn't CC but something didn't add up with the claim or target.
Are you saying you don't lynch a claimed PR or never have?
No I have and would hammer a claimed PR in CCd if I thought or felt they were scum.
In post 1020, farside22 wrote:Follow up to Pork: Do you really see anything town about bug?
No; too scummy to be scum would be the only thing. I guess I have a sliiiight empathy for mishammering as town but I will hammer bug If they get in range.

I think I was confused by the bolder part of your post below:
In post 1016, farside22 wrote:
In post 1009, Porkens wrote:So would you say it makes more sense to lynch in or out of PRs today?
If I were to pick one I would say Bug only because so far he hasn't done anything to change my impression of him.
Sense lynching a claimed pr????? The only time I think about doing that is with a CC, a game that is role madness or if something doesn't make sense.

Played a mini recently that had 2 miller claims and an IC. This was all on day 1. The CC I legit felt was town but the player that claimed read town to me so I looked elsewhere. Most disagreed and I could see too many would WIFOM the claim with the CC. So lynched the claimed miller even though I felt he was town.
I was right he was town and so was the CC. So nothing to me is ever really that simple.
Ultimately it's about does that player read as scummy.
With bug? Yes.
With Ame? No
With GG? I'm leaning on no.
Not sure why the bold is confusing. I continued with the bottom saying if a player is scummy the pr means nothing.
I was trying to remember times ive lynched a claimed pr.
Im really not sure what the point of this conversation is.
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Post Post #1042 (isolation #60) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 11:45 am

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In post 1037, Porkens wrote:Sorry farside, I can’t parse that sentence that starts with Sense...???????. The only point of the conversation is for me to make sure I understand what you are saying, which I believe I do now? IE let’s lynch PR claims that aren’t town.
Ah. You asked me if ut made sense to lynch a claimed pr and i started by saying sense lynching a claimed pr?
I sometimes type the way my brain thinks and i was processing the question trying to remember the times i did.
Ive been told my posts read really back most times
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Post Post #1048 (isolation #61) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:07 pm

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In post 1043, Porkens wrote:Ah, they aren’t that back.
:lol:
That should be bad not back.
I'm also very bad at previewing before posting.
In post 1046, Ame wrote:I don't think scum!Farsi joins the Exemplar wagon with scum!popo in . Her progression reads natural. So does the phrase poking pox in
Farsi + popo



Farside wasn't on Porkens game entrance scumometer. Hm. Farsi's scum read of Pork disappears without a comment and she indirectly defends him in . I think Inu mentioned this earlier. Hm. Farsi also defends him in . And there is a contradiction here:
In post 389, farside22 wrote:
In post 384, popopopopopopo wrote:anyone think its weird he claimed 1 shot hider then said after he was weak, but like it was already implied in his claim

maybe scum gobble thought hiders were weak by default and did not know he had to fake claim the weak moderator, he thought it was inherent in the role. so he thought he did not have to claim weak in order for us to know this. could be a scumslip.
I'd let this go. See what happens. I think if gg is what he claimed it is a benefit for town. I see no reason to lynch him based on how he claimed.
In post 655, farside22 wrote:I don't see this as an overreaction. Im not sure why you do. Hider when town can hurt a game. Porks is right, now that gg outted his ability and he claims a target if that player is town and scum know ut thats 2 dead town players.
@Farsi can you clear this up?

Farside + Porky*


Pork was just ahead of the curve (behind Farsi and Gobbs) in scumreading bugs. At the point of his read, I don't think bugs was on the chopping block so his position looks natural. Porky also put bugs at L-1 today and claimed that if bugs flipped scum I would be clear. If they were scum together, this would unnecessarily be clearing me.
pork + bugs




Bugs + Farsi
Bugs + Inu
Bugs + Pork

Bugs + popo
Bugs + Gobbles


Inu + Farsi

Inu + popo*

popo + Farsi

popo + Pork

Farsi + Pork*

I feel like I already explained this twice.
Sigh.

My first gut response to Porks vote was it read scummy. Then I thought about pork as a player and what I recalled how he played in a game I modded. I felt that his play didn't make sense and I wondered after everything said in done if he was trolling or doing a reaction test.
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Post Post #1062 (isolation #62) » Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:58 pm

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In post 1049, Ame wrote:The contradiction that I'm referring to is your treatment of Gobble's claim. You expressed to popo that his claim was a positive, but when you defended Pork, you said pork was right that it was a negative.
Oh. I thought about hider helping the town but when pork brought up how 2 people can die if he is town and scum shots correctly I realized why that was bad. I keep thinking of this game as a mini instead of a micro game.

I see pox7 is ready to vote bug without adding anything to the convo.
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Post Post #1075 (isolation #63) » Fri Jun 12, 2020 10:15 pm

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In post 1074, Porkens wrote:Crickets. Popopopopopopo why shouldn’t we lynch you?
This ^
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Post Post #1080 (isolation #64) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:32 am

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In post 1079, gobbledygook wrote:VOTE: farside

Still think this is scum

Random q, Farside but how did you get your children to eat fruit? Mine do not like fruit oddly enough
Did you hide behind anyone?

As for your q, mine loved fuit the moment he had strawberries and pocked his own blueberries. Have you tried berries? If so smoothies are the best way to hide fruit
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Post Post #1082 (isolation #65) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:31 am

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In post 370, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 362, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 360, gobbledygook wrote:Like how can anyone read Porkens iso and think that he is scumhunting. It is truly baffling he isn’t six feet under already
i think porkens is mislynch bait, this post solidifies my scumread of gobble
Please don’t I’m a 1-shot hider. I’m fine claiming this because even if I get targeted for an rb they can’t stop me
In post 1081, gobbledygook wrote:I’m a loyal fruit vendor and Farside did not confirm she received a fruit
VOTE: gobble
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #66) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:54 am

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Wait im a dumb ass. Didn't ame say she was rb?
Jeez gobble wtf is wrong with you lying about your role.
VOTE: popo
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Post Post #1088 (isolation #67) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:25 pm

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Thats why i posted this.
In post 1086, farside22 wrote:Wait im a dumb ass. Didn't ame say she was rb?
Jeez gobble wtf is wrong with you lying about your role.
VOTE: popo
I was just surprised by gg's comment after claiming hider and thought he was lying in general.
Fast forward realuzing it makes no sense for scum to 1v1 at this point and i realized gg was rb.
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Post Post #1098 (isolation #68) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:48 pm

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In post 1090, Porkens wrote:Seemed solvable. Farside is gg really fugirt vendor then?

Gobbles explain yourself role please I’m dumb
I dont know what gg is. He claimed hider today fruit vendor.
I haven't seen a micro with only one claimed pr before. And since ame said she was blocked i assume scum has a rb.
In post 1089, popopopopopopo wrote:whats the case on me farside lol
You were not solving the game day 2. You basically look like actively lurking scum.
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Post Post #1105 (isolation #69) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:31 pm

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In post 1101, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 1098, farside22 wrote:
In post 1090, Porkens wrote:Seemed solvable. Farside is gg really fugirt vendor then?

Gobbles explain yourself role please I’m dumb
I dont know what gg is. He claimed hider today fruit vendor.
I haven't seen a micro with only one claimed pr before. And since ame said she was blocked i assume scum has a rb.
In post 1089, popopopopopopo wrote:whats the case on me farside lol
You were not solving the game day 2. You basically look like actively lurking scum.
i voted scum yesterday did you? who's solving again?
In post 1099, Porkens wrote:did you get fruit?
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Post Post #1106 (isolation #70) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:32 pm

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In post 1105, farside22 wrote:
In post 1101, popopopopopopo wrote:
In post 1098, farside22 wrote:
In post 1090, Porkens wrote:Seemed solvable. Farside is gg really fugirt vendor then?

Gobbles explain yourself role please I’m dumb
I dont know what gg is. He claimed hider today fruit vendor.
I haven't seen a micro with only one claimed pr before. And since ame said she was blocked i assume scum has a rb.
In post 1089, popopopopopopo wrote:whats the case on me farside lol
You were not solving the game day 2. You basically look like actively lurking scum.
i voted scum yesterday did you? who's solving again?
In post 1099, Porkens wrote:did you get fruit?

Sorry hit replay before posting comments.
No I did not get fruit.

Solving is not just coming in and placing a vote on your scum buddy there pox7
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Post Post #1107 (isolation #71) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 3:33 pm

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In post 1104, gobbledygook wrote:2 shot loyal fruit vendor. Tried to get it to someone who would be Lynchable after day 1 so I targeted HG. Was surprised when he died.
Targeted Farside last night. Possible I was Rb’d but Farside was scumm yesterday
:roll: I'm sorry should I just say nothing and vote next time. I'm sure that is so much more like a town quality there. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
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Post Post #1126 (isolation #72) » Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:37 pm

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In post 1118, Porkens wrote:unless they didn't block him and farside is lying
In post 1119, Porkens wrote:but why lie in the first place?
Im not lying. I don't see gg lying so an rb makes sense to me.
As i said a 1 for 1 makes no sense for scum to make at this point.
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Post Post #1131 (isolation #73) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 6:28 am

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In post 1128, gobbledygook wrote:I think Farside scum targeted me to rb me and is miffed we are catching her for the wrong reason potentially?
I think that is farfetched considering I didn't even think about the RB till an hour later. But you can lynch me and when I flip town just make sure to lynch pox7 the next day.
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Post Post #1142 (isolation #74) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 8:38 am

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I just looked and a micro game micc modded stated that scum were multi tasking. Its hard to copy links on the phone, but check completed micro. It wasn't his last game but the one prior to this
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Post Post #1156 (isolation #75) » Sun Jun 14, 2020 1:39 pm

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In post 1145, inutile wrote:
In post 1141, popopopopopopo wrote:How common is multitasking as a scum pr modifier
here is the mini normal archive of the last 700 or so mini normals:

viewtopic.php?f=53&t=29549

this isn't a perfect database to use as it is all mini normals not micros but there is no comparably searchable micro normal archive. there are only 18 results for multitasking, some of which there are two in the same game, however it is worth noting that games designed by both schadd and ircher have used multitasking as they were the reviewers for this game.
In post 1142, farside22 wrote:I just looked and a micro game micc modded stated that scum were multi tasking. Its hard to copy links on the phone, but check completed micro. It wasn't his last game but the one prior to this
neither of the previous blitz games used multitasking but micro 838 which micc also modded had a mafia multitasking neapolitan. that seems to be the only game from his wiki that applies. i will continue looking through the micro archives, but so many of these games apply to this game far less than the larger mini normals i think.
In post 1143, popopopopopopo wrote:As it is i think farside today is the correct lynch, she has the highest chance to flip scum.
Then likely me inu porkens in lylo.
uh ???

Huh, I swear I saw something from micc, now I can't find it. That's what I get for checking on my phone instead of on the computer.
Well it's fine I'm sure pox7 is scum I realize me not getting fruit is scummy to GG but I still say he was rb and as long as people lynch pox7 the next day that should win the game.
Well I'm still iffy on inu but I will have to hope that either gg is lying and is an actual hider (which would really be funny as hell) but I felt inu was working with Ame day 2 in trying to figure out who was scum and the back and forth with bug.
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Post Post #1182 (isolation #76) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:47 am

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In post 1159, inutile wrote:here are bugspray related posts i collected while rereading the thread:

Spoiler:
In post 8, bugspray wrote:VOTE: popopopopopopopopopopo for having a stupid name
In post 405, farside22 wrote:
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
Why the scum read on bug?
ame said farside wouldn't do this as bugspray's partner, which i am still trying to understand. were bugspray under any pressure i would agree but at the time i think it was pretty safe.
In post 418, farside22 wrote:
In post 399, popopopopopopo wrote:yea when u think about it claiming ur hider target is really bad, gives scum a double nk if ur wrong
He's got to find a way to claim. If he hides under scum and says nothing we get no info.
It's a damn/damn situation,.
In post 407, gobbledygook wrote:
In post 404, HoldenGolden wrote:
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
You are neutral on exemplar slot?

Can you explain the HEM read?
Reserving judgment on Exemplar until Ame catchup.
HEM read comes from the fact that I think he is actively trying to figure out alignments of people he is interacting with.
In post 405, farside22 wrote:
In post 403, gobbledygook wrote:Currently scumreading Porkens and bugspray.

Town reading inutile, pox7, Holden, and HEM
Why the scum read on bug?
He is not scumhunting. Do you townread the slot? If so, why?
He's pretty invisible compared to other players. All I saw was him saying holden was weird and complain about the number of pages. I would say given the type of game where in I put him under actively lurking.
I actually forgot he was in the game, which was why I asked why the scum read.

VOTE: bugspray
so farside asked gobbledygook why he was scumreading bugspray, then scumread and voted bugspray herself.
In post 422, gobbledygook wrote:The resistance to Porkens is annoying!

VOTE: Bugspray
wagon grows
In post 427, farside22 wrote:I'm giving porkens one more chance to see if he can post anything that is worth a damn before I vote there. Might as well give pressure to the lurker of the game.
hmm makes it clear she is voting bugspray for lurking and possibly builds an escape from the bugspray wagon.
In post 452, popopopopopopo wrote:vote:bugspray

ame does not impress me in the slightest but i feel the consensus is we dont lynch the claimed tracker, if im wrong on that and people are down ill happily switch back
this is building the wagon even further which would be pretty dangerous for a mafia partner to do.
In post 472, Porkens wrote:Bugspray is scummier than all of them but borders on lynchbait territory.
In post 472, Porkens wrote:gobbledygook
farside22
popopopopopopo
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HoldenGolden
humaneatingmonkey
Ame Exemplar
bugspray
porkens big post occurs when bugspray is at L-2. he lists bugspray as his strongest scumread but also says they might be lynchbait. porkens never votes bugspray here.
In post 507, bugspray wrote:porky gives me weird low key scum vibes. almost like he has info about scum prs that would make him think hider is a weird claim
In post 510, popopopopopopo wrote:gonna keep my vote on bugspray
weird to draw attention to this, but wagon still at L-2 and porkens just said bugspray was his strongest scumread.
In post 537, farside22 wrote:Hmmm i just had an epiphany. Why would examplar replace out without claiming if he had a pr?
interestingly timed epiphany!!
In post 539, farside22 wrote:Id just look at ame with her defense of bug if he flips scum.
this feels like hedging in case of a bugspray lynch. farside both distracts from the pressure on bugspray with the epiphany and ties bugspray to ame in case they are lynched.

gobbledygook moves his vote. i accidentally deleted the quote in preview.
In post 658, Porkens wrote:VOTE: humaneatingmonkey
porkens sets up bugspray's hammer here, very impulsively, after listing bugspray as his strongest scumread and never voting but also soft defending them by saying they were lynchbait. a super impulsive vote on humaneatingmonkey feels quite strange from someone who wasn't voting their strongest scumread.

start of next day
In post 682, Porkens wrote:Weird and bad nightkill.

VOTE: bugspray
In post 697, farside22 wrote:Waiting for ame before voting. Don't need a lol hammer without info.
Not sure why GG didn't do his hide. Are you doing it tonight?
In post 698, farside22 wrote:I'm curious about inu as well. He was calling HG/HEM scum play and hasn't said anything else.
no mention of bugspray despite that hammer.
In post 721, Porkens wrote:VOTE: unvote
In post 814, farside22 wrote:I sense scum bussing at this point.
If I'm wrong I would pull back and put back to inu who just kept a whole of of open reads to say anyone is scum.

VOTE: bugs
farside applies pressure that might not be necessary at this time from a scum partner.
In post 845, bugspray wrote:I see why your name isn't Porken <3
In post 847, bugspray wrote:pox7 is 3 hours from prod
In post 855, Porkens wrote:If this is town we annihilate ame tomorrow.

VOTE: bugspray
so this was setup for the parody cop bit?
In post 884, Porkens wrote:Oh fine I’m a parody cop. Bugspray and Ame are not the same alignment
In post 892, bugspray wrote:what the fuck is a parody cop i just checked the wiki and couldn't find anything
also i'm doctor
4 minutes for bugspray to make an unsafe claim if this wasn't planned.
In post 951, Porkens wrote:
In post 944, bugspray wrote:normals have to follow normal guidelines
i've gotten two games through NRG and the only adjustments to setups i've ever had to make were for balance reasons
prok is reckless flaunty scum right now and should not be allowed to live
that claim? this bullshit? fuck!
Oh please you got to L-1 all by yourself and I probably just saved you from the lynch.
this seems very aware. would porkens say this to his partner?
In post 975, farside22 wrote:
In post 967, Porkens wrote:Why claim doctor then? Why would scum target neither power role?
There is a lot of wifom with that question.

I think ame tow. I dont doubt that based on her actions and pushes this game.
Pox7 has gone under ground this game day.
Pork looks like he was doing a reaction test with gg if i read all that correctly.
Im just not sure why gg bought that or didn't question that a bit more. The role seemed a bit nutty.
Hmmmmm poe

vote: pox7
this coming on the heels of all that feels very out of place.
In post 964, inutile wrote:popopopopopopo's appearance and re-disappearance upon being asked to claim is bothering me.
this is still bothering me. also strange that neither popopopopopopo or farside had much to say about what was actively happening.
In post 1041, Porkens wrote:Bugspray, popopopopopopo, gobbledygook

One scum in there at least, maybe both.
could have been setting up later pushes.
In post 1066, popopopopopopo wrote:
vote: bugspray
In post 1067, Porkens wrote:If this is town we annihilate ame tomorrow.

VOTE: bugspray

i think that lynching farside is probably best here because a multitasking roleblocker feels a less likely explanation than farside is mafia for the lack of fruit. relying on mechanics over reads. i would like to use the time we have though. if there's anything anyone would like me to address, please ask.
Hmm this really makes things a bit more concerning tomorrow. Inu is already painting a disbelief in a multitasking scum and using this to have others fight on who is scum with bug.
In post 1171, Porkens wrote:Ok, yeah I agree gg is probably not lying about being pr.

Why would farside lie about not getting fruit?
I thing gg is a pr too. I wouldn't lynch him or pork.
Po×7 did nothing but lay low while bugs was being discussed and inu looks like he might be coving his bases with that post for next game day.
I don't envy lylo day 4. I think based on interaction there is no way pork is scum with bug.
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Post Post #1201 (isolation #77) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:55 am

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In post 1191, gobbledygook wrote:Farside > Porkens I think wins the game
Nah porks is obvious town here. Look at the interaction he had with Ame and bug day 2. There is no way that is scum theatre.
Just lynch pox07 day 4. I'm just paranoid about inu but there is no way I believe the player that floated day 2 while there scum buddy was flailing and then coming in and voting is anything more then scum.
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Post Post #1222 (isolation #78) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:56 am

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Just going to say a rage quit should never been assumed town.
I mean if thats all it takes then ill just rage quit every time im accused.

That said i was not thrilled with the set up. 2 role that are in essence investigative roles is typically town sided.
Without gg ability i think po×7 would have been lynched by most standards
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Post Post #1225 (isolation #79) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:58 am

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In post 1206, gobbledygook wrote:Gg all!
Mafia why did you kill HG?
I put my thought as possibly killing you and not hiding. Hg wasn't really a concern amd looked like a good frame up for inu.
Ame was helping bug but i left the final choice to bug
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Post Post #1227 (isolation #80) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:04 am

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Nah its all good. I lived porks post about me as possible scum the most. I posted how i felt reading things.
At least i know what id change playing this game.
It was still fun, thanks for the game
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Post Post #1232 (isolation #81) » Mon Jun 15, 2020 11:57 am

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In hind site ahould have blocked gg and killed ame
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