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hi pp choochoo

VOTE: pp

Vote counter not recognising vote. VOTE: Penguin

- Sirius

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A bit about me, since I love talking about myself:

I play on EpicMafia. It's a live chat / browser mafia site, but we have a burgeoning forum community, too. I ended up liking forum maf to the point that I pretty much play it exclusively now.

I think my posting style can be--pretty spammy, honestly? I'm a product of my environment. Playing on MS feels like playing mafia in a country club, versus playing on EM, which feels like playing mafia in a back alley behind a seedy restaurant. On EM we meta constantly, we AtE, and there's usually at least one OGI incident or modkill per game. (I won't do any of that here.) No one knows how to host properly and we don't have any kind of setup review, so games are usually some kind of wild, unbalanced PR madness. It's really fun.

I have two game on MS, one on this acc (a scum game), and one on a hydra (a town game). The hydra's name is Oromis. I can also dig up plenty of EM games, if people want to see them. Tbh, I haven't gotten that much value out of metadiving people. But they're there, if other people want them.

Looking forward to playing with everyone.

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VOTE: Lost

Like joqiza for town.

me too

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hey look at me i'm going choochoo

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stealing pagetop to say that i caught up but i saw nothing worth posting about

see yall again in a few hours

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leave

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smth smth expecting a welcome is acting privileged smth smth

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Rude

VOTE: Lost

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uwu

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Like joqiza for town.

me too

Why?

i liked 34

do u have a diff opinion on him?

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I think I'd prefer to find a scumread first, and then apply pressure, instead of the other way around. Or at least E-1 pressure. PR/VT tells are a thing too.

So why just unvote and not vote me? You had said you thought I was scum based on my opening. Which I guess makes you a United supporter, but you just unvoted rather than voting me. Why?

I was thinking about voting you last night, but in the end didn't really feel the need to. I was pretty sure people were going to come back in here and react to the Page 2 content. A vote felt ceremonial.

RVS is still a bit awkward to me. We don't really do it so much on our home site. Rather, we ask each other questions and we vote when we feel something. I don't really scumread you yet. You just ended up being M when I put a gun to my own head.

u should vote. voting is good

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also can you better explain your read on billy

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I guess my read comes more from not having meta knowledge, but i guess someone coming from epic mafia would play like this. I still dont know what to feel about it, and svs is still an option.
On another note, i dont like penguin/lost/almost just tossing people into the town pile. I think its frankly too early to do anything like this and im sure at least one of them is scum. Town wouldnt, or at least shouldnt feel comfortable tossing everyone they see into townpile just 4 pages into a game.

You think townbinning people too early is scum motivated?

Its anti town, and i dont think people should be indulging in throwing out random reads for the sake of it. Theres clear danger in townreading scum that might not be obvious at first glance, acting and reading people comprehensibly is good for town while throwing out random reads are not.
Whatever. Its 1 am, i just want to say that yeah its pretty anti town

even more antitown is just saying random reads are bad instead of asking for reasons for reads.

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i like nona

hi nona what do you think about billy

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choochoo

VOTE: almost

would like to hear more from you almost. what are your thoughts on dong

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Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.

choochoo

VOTE: almost

would like to hear more from you almost. what are your thoughts on dong

My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.

so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

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Btw, does me putting someone @E-1 mean anything to you?

not rly, but if you continue to push it then maybe i'd be interested.

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also can you better explain your read on billy

I don't have one. He turned up "M" in a gut-read exercise that I've been doing in my games recently. If I had to say why, it's probably because his opening line was addressing another player, in a way that felt like it might be comfy for scum. I don't actually put much stock into a page 1 read. I just posted it to get people talking about something. Start of the game felt anemic to me.

what do you think of his posting recently? or rather, what do you think of his non page-1 posts?

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let me just

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steal top

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In principle im voting Dong here, but I dont want to lol hammer.

??? how can you lol hammer someone with no votes on him

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In terms of just his posts, there hasn't been much to sway me on his alignment. He has some simple questioning. It doesn't do much for me. I don't know what any of his reads are yet. I assume he will share at some point, and at that point I can start trying to dissect him.

In terms of associatives, I made a note to myself to keep an eye on him/Nona. I don't necessarily think this is a viable team yet, just noticed some weird stuff. On phone now so posting is a pain but will elaborate more in a bit.

yes, do elaborate more.

would be nice to give a brief readlist if possible, be it now or later

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so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

I didn't even mention dong in anyway, shape or form.

i mean...

Lastly, imma VOTE: Almost50. I don't know where his head's at. Give me something.

choochoo

VOTE: almost

would like to hear more from you almost.

what are your thoughts on dong

My thoughts are the exact same thoughts pf PP

. Whatever he says I agree with, and wherever he votes my vote follows.

so you agree with everything dong and pp are saying?

kind of implies that what you think of dong is the same as what you think of pp, and that your thoughts on pp are "whatever he says i agree with", hence leading me to the conclusion that whatever dong says, you also agree with

but your reply implies otherwise so....once again....

what are your thoughts on dong

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Btw, does me putting someone @E-1 mean anything to you?

not rly, but if you continue to push it then maybe i'd be interested.

I'd announce intent and ask for a claim if I were you (and that would be regardless of your own alignment, tbh)

sure

@lost i intend to hammer you pls claim

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Not really. I can't unvote this one since I'm not on the wagon.

I'd announce intent and ask for a claim if I were you (and that would be regardless of your own alignment, tbh)

oh ok this makes sense

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I mean.. I still don't see where the implication of ANYTHING regarding dong came from? YOU asked about dong. I did NOT respond to that part AT ALL. I only responded to the part about you requesting to hear more from me by telling you I am PP's loyal servant and humble slave.

"my thoughts are the exact same thoughts of PP"

by that u meant: my thoughts on the game are the same as PP's thoughts on the game

i asked you "what are your thoughts on dong", and thus when i read that line what i got was: my thoughts on dong are the exact same thoughts i have on PP

which is what i said in 136 but let's move on from this

what are your thoughts on dong

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No. You misinterpreted my words. What I meant is I am a follower of PP. O belong to the PP cult. Whatever he says is what my beliefs are. And that DOES apply to his read on dong too.

very cool

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What made that a town post?

his intro def set the context for how i read his posts. actively(not the right word but i can't find the appropriate one) jumping off the wagon seems like a newbtown mindset, in that having a wagon grow too fast could potentially end the day early.

as opposed to newbscum, that wouldn't really care because why should they.

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yes unintentional pagetop

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What made that a town post?

his intro def set the context for how i read his posts. actively(not the right word but i can't find the appropriate one) jumping off the wagon seems like a newbtown mindset, in that having a wagon grow too fast could potentially end the day early.

as opposed to newbscum, that wouldn't really care because why should they.

Right, but given that hes not a newb, does that still apply?

it would, just to a lesser degree. i still see more town motivation from the unvote and justification than i do from scum.

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hi dong how are you

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i'm a little tired too. i guess life b dat way

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would u be so kind as to share some reads

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Reads are a strong word. I do have a townlean on billy however. I think their posting is down to earth while not being fluffish. I can say the same for joq, but for different reasons. I like posts like 117 and 126. Its also a slight townlean there.
As for the rest, if i had to lynch right now i'd go with almost or penguin.
That leaves me, you and nona. I have no thoughts on nona. I dont think i have enough info to make a lean on you.

can you link some billy posts that your townlean on him is based on?

also maybe explain more about why almost and penguin

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i like nona

hi nona what do you think about billy

could use some more analysis. i like his questions though, and his approach to joqiza on post 65 was nice.

could you do that analysis now and then come up with something more concrete?

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Did you read my case on Almost/Penguin? Do you agree?

this isn't addressed to me, but i read all of them and none of them feel particularly well substantiated. or more specifically, none of them are substantiated enough for me to want to use them to educate my current reads. too many reaches with too little evidence, and most importantly, they're all associative tells before any flips, which makes them even less useful.

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My read on Nona has developed to "unconfident scum" (THEY are unconfident, not my read on them). They are trying to avoid the thread as much as they can and their reads seems to follow consensus with not much originality/genuineness.

nona has like a couple of completed games and is still holding a townie post title

i don't think her posting activity very alignment indicative

am conflicted about the second half of the read. where do you think her reads look disingenuous?

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would like more involvement from nona and penguin

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stealing pagetop for now, actually reading later

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i got town vibes from joqiza and pp's interaction earlier.

This is both a fence-sit and going with the flow. At least 3 people had stated a TR on joq by this time, and at least one stated a TR on PP

i don't see how its a fence-sit, and while i do see your point about it being a consensus read, that doesn't necessarily mean they're lazyscum. you could argue it that way, but it could also be them actually having that read and not feeling the need to explain it. i don't see any strong scum mindset here.

do you mean that an outside observer could not get as much info from the conversation despite that they can read every word of it as well?

oh i see. you mean unless lost has the same thoughts as penguin's regarding joqiza's thoughts early on he shouldn't have the same read.

These two posts accomplish nothing. The first is a question and the second is a reiteration of the answer Nona got for that question. Now what do we get from that? What does NONA get from it?? NOTHING.

i agree that this line of questioning is unhelpful, but i would argue 108 is pretty town given the slightly more condescending-ish tone she uses in 102. tonal read here

i like nona

hi nona what do you think about billy

could use some more analysis. i like his questions though, and his approach to joqiza on post 65 was nice.

Non-committal. (Hint: If Nona is Scum Pilgrim could very well be their partner)

P.S. Yes, I know I said I kind of TR Pilgrim, but that's an independent read and ignoring associatives because we didn't flip Nona yet.

pretty fair point here, although i still struggle to see how it's non-committal. if youre referring to how she barely explains her reads, then i'm inclined to think its her playstyle

penguin i sus over what i think is a lack of content despite having over two dozen posts. the only concrete stuff i had on him was his read on you.

regarding your case i agree that it might be unlikely they are a team. i don't think scum would interact with his partner this way.

A couple of people questioned the TRs on PP, so the read conveniently changed here. Also agrees to whatever joq had said (A50+PP isn't a valid team).

also pretty fair point here, especially the 180 on penguin

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sorry i meant id like to hear more reads/analysis from billy before i think on his alignment

because all ive seen so far is questions and interactions with others which is nai

questions and interactions are very often alignment indicative

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nona has like a couple of completed games and is still holding a townie post title

What does "townie post title" mean here, btw?

its the thing on the left below the username. townie means <100 posts in mafia games if im not wrong

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still catching up

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Side note, I like the way dong answered my concerns about it, but ... im concerned because that's what I do as scum. I tend to interrogate the scumreads and like see if parts of it are valid. So im a bit confused how if you think im misrepresenting a sort of playstyle you have that makes me town.

I realize that I didn't vote there after the last votecount and this hasn't really given me a reason to townbin you.

VOTE: Dong

Also, I looked at that game with Umlaut, but didn't see what you were referring to. Can you point me to your back and forth? I'll admit I didn't read the whole game, I was more looking for your early posts because here you seemed to rocket the game out of RVS and I picked up in your town games that you tend to suspect people that do that.

hi billy i read this 4 times and my brain fell out of my ears

can you clarify:
"i tend to interrogate the scumreads and see the parts that are valid" - is this what you refer to when you say "im concerned because that's what i do as scum", and if so, where was this point brought up in your interaction with dong? if it isn't, then what are you actually referring to

what does not voting dong have to do with not townbinning nona(are you referring to nona?)

and...who is the whole last para directed to? dong?

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i read 226 and my brain crawled back into my skull through my nostrils

i m happi

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A50 played scum with me once when we didn't have daytalk. Him classifying LAMIST for me as a scum tell is like complete bullshit since to some degree its my playstyle. Remember that large normal where I claimed VT early on to get cleared? And I lolhammered someone once in a hydra with Hectic and so now I double check vote counts before putting a vote down.

i don't think claiming vt is particularly lamist. also still don't get why you didn't vote dong when you said you wanted to. you could have just checked to see if he was e-1.

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Also, how are you reading for scum PR? Just proclivity to bussing?

As I said, activity+substance. PP's posting is designed to make him survive longer than "his partner". Billy is being active and tackling many, making him more likely to be either wagoned or investigated. Nona (assuming she is scum with PP) is also inviting the Cop investigation to her over PP.

i can kind of see what you're saying with this, considering i just finished a game with scumPP. what would be the differences between his town play and scum play?

although i haven't meta'd any of his town games, i would think his posting activity would be consistent between the both of them(based on how you describe PP in 243), but i feel his content this game is already more substantial than the one i just finished with him.

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ooo nice another pagetop

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i believe that dong and sirius do have some history, and so i don't think 18 is a very good towntell/slip.

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I agree that a me/you/Dong/Lost townbloc puts Penguin/Nona/BP in the PoE

{peng nona bp dong} for me

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bp what are your reads like?

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in the interest of time i would actually prefer if you just shared. i believe meta gained by playing together is more valuable than the information i gain from reading these games.

i also don't really have the luxury of time to intently read through those games as i'm pretty busy from now til deadline

but if you insist, i'll skim through the games tomorrow

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im ok with bp pp nona dong, although im a little hesitant on pp and nona. not particularly keen on ending a low content day with a an elim on a low poster

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ok i need to leave now, catch up when Im back

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hi I'll b active in 5ish hrs

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A50 played scum with me once when we didn't have daytalk. Him classifying LAMIST for me as a scum tell is like complete bullshit since to some degree its my playstyle. Remember that large normal where I claimed VT early on to get cleared? And I lolhammered someone once in a hydra with Hectic and so now I double check vote counts before putting a vote down.

i don't think claiming vt is particularly lamist. also still don't get why you didn't vote dong when you said you wanted to. you could have just checked to see if he was e-1.

This is a product of the fact that I dont have a computer that I play on. I only play on my phone. So that was saying my intention is to vote here, but I want to check a vote count first. Don't know if you've ever tried to play on a phone before, but keeping open a bunch of tabs to check vote counts and search for the most recent VC is a giant pain in the ass. So when I come in the game and notice that there are pages after where I am, I just say things like this so that people can track where I am. I do this as scum too though so its not AI.

i play on a phone all the time, and if i really did want to vote i'd spend the few minutes of checking to make sure the vote doesn't hammer somebody.

@264 yeah that does clear it up. i thought you were referring to nona throughout the post because you were replying to a nona quote.

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im ok with bp pp nona dong, although im a little hesitant on pp and nona. not particularly keen on ending a low content day with a an elim on a low poster

Does im ok with refer to a scum pool or townpool?

that's my scumpool

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Lost, why did you unvote A50?

his early-day was bad, but he recent posting has been good. i dont think he had to go out of his way to entertain joq as scum as he could have continued with his usual posting, but i think his frustration from joq and his catchup posts feel town. i dont see scumA50 orchestrating that and putting in the effort when he really doesn't have to in a game as slow as this.

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11 hours left we should really settle the elim for the day

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VOTE: dong

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wtf

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hi just checking in. had a busy day, so will probably think abt this game tmr

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and i've caught up

VOTE: peng

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are you waiting for peng to cc?

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i don't see a50-scum coming up with a fakeclaim gambit as his d2 entry.

plus between all your cc options, the only cc i would consider is dsj's, but i highly doubt this is dsj-cop & a50-scum going on.

if nona cc'd then it's pp/nona

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peng has also been posting elsewhere and not here

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hmmmmm was pretty sure it was pp/Nona

between dsj and BP it's probably BP.

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Anyone want to take a guess at who Mr. Monkey copped last night

Spoiler: My Guess

Me!!

i think he probably checked either me or nona

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....i didn't even get to check back

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was a gamble on the nk. alr knew nona was doc, but had a feeling a50 would be ballsy and check between me/nona/bp.

would have preferred to kill bp and fight it out with nona by claiming doc before she did

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Quick game. Sorry Lost, the guilty on PP probably blew it.

yeap lol.

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Also, I have noticed that Lost has really only been saying what BP has been saying

i have no idea what this is referring to btw

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i still have no idea what you're referring to lmao

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gz all

a50 rly did well with his n1. should have been more confident in swapping nk targets to him lmao