Micro 974: The Last of the Red-Horned Dung Beetles (Borked)

[Herta]

Alright now.

HEAL: johnnyfarrar

[Herta]

HEAL: bugspray

I sense magic.

[Herta]

I'm not getting involved in mech talk unless I have to.

[Herta]

The bear's here? Aww yeah.

[Herta]

HURT: johnnyfarrar

Alright. I need to sleep on it. I'm a growing boy and can't stay awake much longer.

[Herta]

HURT: johnnyfarrar

Alright. I need to sleep on it. I'm a growing boy and can't stay awake much longer.

Wrong person.

Hurt: bugspray

[Herta]

RVS be damned. We don't need you! I must chop some wood at the factory. I will return to catch up.

[Herta]

Norwee, Nancy has assured me of your scummitude here and I know for sure she is town since I cheated and peeked at her role pm.

What do you have to say for yourself :3

-smoke

Whoa, wait, I said that was my initial take but it wasn’t based on much.

~M

I find it's best not to overthink things my dear :3

Do you tr Herta?

I don’t like that they’ve made votes and aren’t actually sorting.

~M

Hey wait. What do you want through post 27 a complete solve?

People vote in rvs? Did I miss a memo?

[Herta]

Alright now.

HEAL: johnnyfarrar

HEAL: bugspray

I sense magic.

HURT: johnnyfarrar

Alright. I need to sleep on it. I'm a growing boy and can't stay awake much longer.

No execution vote. No one should be voting anyone other than themselves for caretaker this early.

VOTE: Herta

I think this is better.

~M

Okay, so I didn't make an execution vote, but where's your Taly push?

[Herta]

VOTE: tay she looks towny but i think it loks more like scum looking like town than actual town

VOTE: bugspray

Aerosol confusion.

[Herta]

So like, these roles are all pretty unique and without significant precedent for me. When I saw my PM I came to the thread and read up on the setup. I think scum have it easier setup wise, and are thereby less likely to have read the setup.

P:edit i man did you also skin your pm? Because I borderline didn't understand mine

I don't follow your logic about scum having less likely to have read. To the bat computer!

..
..
..

[INCONCLUSIVE]
..

I still don't follow. I can see an individual scum not reading and being led around in the maf PT, but other than that I got nothing.

[Herta]

I'm not going to be sore if we don't give someone the bug.

But Town's abilities hinge on what we rolled, so I'm iffy with in-depth discussion about mechanics until there's concrete information (D2).

I also refuse to believe that most aspects about mechanic discussion are AI.

However, I want to switch here: VOTE: Hertz - I think the suspicion to this slot is very superficial, but their follow-up to my 18 lacked

A

A

A

L

L

L

L

L

kinds of flavor... this palate needs some

OOMF.

I'd

love

an explanation on why

Bug

and

Tay

voted themselves to be poopy bug handlers.

I don't

follow

.. errr. I didn't

follow

up.

Here you go

Spoiler:

O

O

M

F

[Herta]

HURT: johnnyfarrar

Alright. I need to sleep on it. I'm a growing boy and can't stay awake much longer.

Wrong person.

Hurt: bugspray

Make this official in case it's missed. I fell asleep having unhealed the wrong person.

HURT: bugspray

@mod To be clear is that the way to remove a heal?

[Herta]

Garderer is not a role. Are you intentionally misspelling it?

[Herta]

VOTE: unheal bugspray

[Herta]

Garderer is not a role. Are you intentionally misspelling it?

No I was too busy dealing with S&M/typing too fast to notice the mistake

I'm not a native english speaker

Okay. Sorry about that. I just wanted to be sure.

[Herta]

VOTE: unheal bugspray

Dammit.

UNVOTE: heal bugspray

[Herta]

No one besides me seems to be claiming

Whatever I guess, but in that case I'll not reveal my target until the next day.

It's been just a couple of hours or so. I want to hear some takes on this.

[Herta]

bunno is so scummy how do yall not feel this vibe tht im checking

trouble following bunno

smoke & mirrors is scummy tho

[Herta]

I see

Bunno's

POV. We reduce the likelihood of a late-game

Mafia

win via bug-catch if

Gardener's

openly voiced their target (and it can functionally protect the Sentry/Doctor pool from NK), but I don't think he's seeing the value of claiming anymore?

I doubt half the players even looked at this thread between the time

Bunnos

suggested the claim 129 and now 171 (I didn't).

Anyway, I don't think reading the past 2 pages have helped me read any slots better.

Bunno

, let's reel this in. What is ONE non-mechanic based take you have?

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Awfully

bold

of you to use my own syntax and wit against me. You are a formidable specimen.

In any case, I assume your HURT: tags are a pseudovote. Correct me as needed.

Part of your course of action in reply to a wagon on you (with the reason of your lack of vote) is to push someone else who was questioned (

bugspray

). Why?

AHA

!

We shall spar.

You've probably figured it out by now, but the HURT: tags were an attempt to unheal, but that has been cleared up by the bod, which

Smoke & Mirrors tried to scummily subvert

by getting me to reclaim the HURT: tags.

The vote for bugsy was because of the ambiguous nature of their question and because they immediately tried to snag the bug. Even though I had voted to heal bugsy, that was more because I like the yellow tags and didn't understand the mechanic than because I wanted a known

exterminator

to have the bug.

[Herta]

Norwee, Nancy has assured me of your scummitude here and I know for sure she is town since I cheated and peeked at her role pm.

What do you have to say for yourself :3

-smoke

Whoa, wait, I said that was my initial take but it wasn’t based on much.

~M

I find it's best not to overthink things my dear :3

Do you tr Herta?

I don’t like that they’ve made votes and aren’t actually sorting.

~M

Hey wait. What do you want through post 27 a complete solve?

People vote in rvs? Did I miss a memo?

You didn’t vote though, you HEALed.

~M

Why did you say I voted?

[Herta]

Treestumps don't appear in the VCA, because they aren't viable targets for elimination. The same should happen here by the rules.

That's literally not what happens tho. according to the public info for a gardener - the last line:

(if they are voted to receive it, instead nothing will happen, and if they attempt to steal it the attempt will automatically fail).

implies that those unable to possess the bug can still be voted to receive it - hence you would need to actually vote them the bug to test it out.

I am revealing it because I don't want to lose when you do your plan and the mafia take this fairly obvious countermeasure and insta-win.

I had already noticed that, and I was using it to my advantage

That's the difference between me and you, I don't only use truths, I use lies as well even as town, and we should all claim garderer or not before someone confirms with the mod how it works.

I think poorly of you slot right now btw

Well that not only sad but wrong, I’m just trying to understand the value of gardeners claiming.

~M

I think poorly of your slot as well.

[Herta]

VOTE: unheal bugspray

No, you need to use the HURT tag.

[ HURT ] bugspray [ / HURT ]

Like that, minus all the spaces.

~M

This is super scummy coming after this

@mod To be clear is that the way to remove a heal?

To remove a heal use HEAL: nobody or UNVOTE: heal XXX. Sorry for not making that clear.

VOTE: Smoke and Mirrors

[Herta]

COME ON
psuh bunno and get the free scum d1 elim and then we just need the doctors to operate and its a free win d2

also give me the bug because i'm towen

Because you say so? You can’t even read our slot correctly.

Why does scum!bunno claim gardener but I definitely trust ASP > bunno.

Actually,

HEAL: JohnnyFarrar

I wanted to wait with this but you’re making me extremely nervous with this.

~M

You want to give the bug to someone you're unsure of?

[Herta]

Since Bug stated their eyes hurt reading me post, I will calm down with the font changes. Apologies, that was not my intention.

But I will say, my specific statements toward you Bug are without color/size changes. Is the bold a problem for you?

Herta

,

Tay

was also quick to get the bug, what is your take on her posts revolving around the desire to handle it?

Norwe

, you have to admit, your timing is rather odd. 312 Your latest appearance was in response to

Bunno's

push on you 296, and your vote-post 324 implies that you had only read parts of the thread before responding.

That's a defensive vote on your part, specifically because

Bunno's

vote was fresh enough to not carry traction that would put you at execution risk.

23 and 30 are not AI. she says in 30 we need a consenus town read to give the bug to, which she had already voted for herself as that. so to me that's either a townie voting to give it to a townie or a maf saying she's a townie. could go either way.

[Herta]

and thanks for the heads up on bugsy and the colors. I missed that.

[Herta]

Smoke and Mirrors is playing very badly here.

[Herta]

Actually

VOTE: Norwe

I dunno if bug is scum or just weird, but norwe is sus atm.

It's not the main reason, but notice how he says he's curious about my mech solve, but when we begin discussing it he just vanishes. He was posting elsewhere meanwhile by the way.

I doubt that if he was really curious he wouldn't read and comment on it a bit later, he was online multiple times since that post.

Norwe's opening is intense asking around simple mechanical questions. I feel like that's a likely scum!Norwe opening.

He was

intensely

posting elsewhere during that time by the way.

I've a hard time believing that he would vanish and not look back on this later (he was online at least 3 times by now).

I suspected norwe of being scum (rightfully) in the first 10 pages of our most recent game

I got sidetracked and ended up keeping it as a pet scum read during the game, but I did notice early something wrong with Norwe's slot.

I'm noticing the same thing here, so if I'm wrong I want him to come around and show me.

I town read bunno but I hate looking at other activity to gauge alignment. It's scummy.

[Herta]

ARE WE USING ALLCAPS NOW?

OKAY.

MY EYES HURT WHEN I LOOK AT TALY POSTS AND THEN I GET BORED READING YOUR MECHANICAL POSTS BUT I STILL SCUM READ YOU FOR SAYING YOU HAVE A READ ON POOKY (OR IS IT HECTIC? I CAN'T REMEMBER BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT POOKY) (OH RIGHT ITS NORWEE) BECAUSE OF A SPECIFIC META THING AND WHEN I ASK YOU TO EXPAND ON IT YOU POST SOMETHING THAT CONTRADICTS WHAT YOU INITIALLY SAID ABOUT HOW YOU WERE READING NORWEE IN THAT GAME

pedit: wow bunno goes for a weird weak pressure from norwee. if bunno was as super logical as bunno claims to be then i think bunno would absolutely understand why town!norwee would suspect this!bunno as being scum!bunno

What was the contradiction that you caught bugs?

[Herta]

pedit
i didnt read any taly posts and skimmed most of yours because a lot of them just were too thick with content i didn't find useful

translation:

You aren't reading the game, neither my posts, but think I'm scum.

I don't use this often, I find it not cool, but

you're genuinely dumb or obvious scum

.

translation:

You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum

pedit: your tldr needs a tldr

This is a blatant misrep. Where did he say he KNOWS you’re scum?

~M

Your reading comprehension is that bad?

[Herta]

I see

Bunno's

POV. We reduce the likelihood of a late-game

Mafia

win via bug-catch if

Gardener's

openly voiced their target (and it can functionally protect the Sentry/Doctor pool from NK), but I don't think he's seeing the value of claiming anymore?

I doubt half the players even looked at this thread between the time

Bunnos

suggested the claim 129 and now 171 (I didn't).

Anyway, I don't think reading the past 2 pages have helped me read any slots better.

Bunno

, let's reel this in. What is ONE non-mechanic based take you have?

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

Awfully

bold

of you to use my own syntax and wit against me. You are a formidable specimen.

In any case, I assume your HURT: tags are a pseudovote. Correct me as needed.

Part of your course of action in reply to a wagon on you (with the reason of your lack of vote) is to push someone else who was questioned (

bugspray

). Why?

AHA

!

We shall spar.

You've probably figured it out by now, but the HURT: tags were an attempt to unheal, but that has been cleared up by the bod, which

Smoke & Mirrors tried to scummily subvert

by getting me to reclaim the HURT: tags.

The vote for bugsy was because of the ambiguous nature of their question and because they immediately tried to snag the bug. Even though I had voted to heal bugsy, that was more because I like the yellow tags and didn't understand the mechanic than because I wanted a known

exterminator

to have the bug.

No, I actually misunderstood because I hadn’t read what SS said and that’s usually how it’s done

.

~M

@Herta

You did it twice, once before the SS post and once after.

When you lose a double down you gotta pull more money out of your pocket.

[Herta]

Actually

VOTE: Norwe

I dunno if bug is scum or just weird, but norwe is sus atm.

It's not the main reason, but notice how he says he's curious about my mech solve, but when we begin discussing it he just vanishes. He was posting elsewhere meanwhile by the way.

I doubt that if he was really curious he wouldn't read and comment on it a bit later, he was online multiple times since that post.

Norwe's opening is intense asking around simple mechanical questions. I feel like that's a likely scum!Norwe opening.

He was

intensely

posting elsewhere during that time by the way.

I've a hard time believing that he would vanish and not look back on this later (he was online at least 3 times by now).

I suspected norwe of being scum (rightfully) in the first 10 pages of our most recent game

I got sidetracked and ended up keeping it as a pet scum read during the game, but I did notice early something wrong with Norwe's slot.

I'm noticing the same thing here, so if I'm wrong I want him to come around and show me.

I town read bunno but I hate looking at other activity to gauge alignment

. It's scummy.

You tr Bunno but your strongest sr is a player HEALing them but not a player on his wagon?

Please explain that.

Why is my not reading SS’ post scummier to you than a player trying to push through an execution on a claimed gardener?

~M

You did it twice.

[Herta]

Fuck it.

HEAL: Bunno

My only hesitation with this is that I don't want to underestimate

Bunno

-scum again, so this vote is currently fickle.

But

Tay/ASP

are effectively nonexistent.

And I have my eyes on several players aside from the one person who has continually tried to break this game mechanically with plans that can actually benefit town.

Bunno

had no known motivation of acquiring the beetle when he originally asked for

Gardener/No Gardener

claims, and there is no way to faithfully verify that.

So, I'm just going off what I see here. Not my favorite strategy, I know.

Taly, you're town, what's the benefit of disclosing our heal reads now rather than later in the day?

[Herta]

pedit
i didnt read any taly posts and skimmed most of yours because a lot of them just were too thick with content i didn't find useful

translation:

You aren't reading the game, neither my posts, but think I'm scum.

I don't use this often, I find it not cool, but

you're genuinely dumb

or

obvious scum

.

translation:

You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum

pedit: your tldr needs a tldr

This is a blatant misrep. Where did he say he KNOWS you’re scum?

~M

Your reading comprehension is that bad?

No offense but what planet are you from? Bunno said to bugs. that he thought that they were EITHER “dumb” or “obvious scum”. *smdh*

“OR” does in no way imply KNOWING anything. He literally said “OR” ffs!

~M

That's not what bugsy is saying.

[Herta]

Actually

VOTE: Norwe

I dunno if bug is scum or just weird, but norwe is sus atm.

It's not the main reason, but notice how he says he's curious about my mech solve, but when we begin discussing it he just vanishes. He was posting elsewhere meanwhile by the way.

I doubt that if he was really curious he wouldn't read and comment on it a bit later, he was online multiple times since that post.

Norwe's opening is intense asking around simple mechanical questions. I feel like that's a likely scum!Norwe opening.

He was

intensely

posting elsewhere during that time by the way.

I've a hard time believing that he would vanish and not look back on this later (he was online at least 3 times by now).

I suspected norwe of being scum (rightfully) in the first 10 pages of our most recent game

I got sidetracked and ended up keeping it as a pet scum read during the game, but I did notice early something wrong with Norwe's slot.

I'm noticing the same thing here, so if I'm wrong I want him to come around and show me.

I town read bunno but I hate looking at other activity to gauge alignment

. It's scummy.

You tr Bunno but your strongest sr is a player HEALing them but not a player on his wagon?

Please explain that.

Why is my not reading SS’ post scummier to you than a player trying to push through an execution on a claimed gardener?

~M

You did it twice.

It was still an ERROR and 100% NAI.

~M

Glad NAI checked in. Was afraid they needed a prod.

[Herta]

I gotta go to bed.

[Herta]

pedit
i didnt read any taly posts and skimmed most of yours because a lot of them just were too thick with content i didn't find useful

translation:

You aren't reading the game, neither my posts, but think I'm scum.

I don't use this often, I find it not cool, but you're genuinely dumb or obvious scum.

translation:
You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum

pedit: your tldr needs a tldr

Bugs was writing their translation from a scum!bunno POV. It's easy to see. Just put quotes around the translation part written by Bugs:

"You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum"

Further evidence: Who is the one who resorted to ad hominem? Bunno. Bugs had no reason to put anything about ad hominem in there -- Bugs never used ad hominem.

Even further evidence: The common tactic of mirroring, in this case using "translation" followed by two lines, both ending with the word "scum." The first line is an accusatory statement, and the second is personalized. It's quite poetic really.

The "and" "or" means nothing.

Town!Bunno should have pointed this out because I know very little escapes Bunno.

[Herta]

I'm getting bad vibes from Bunno on this Norwee push too.

[Herta]

Also @Herta, you didn’t answer the OTHER half of my question.

~M

What was the other half?

[Herta]

Actually

VOTE: Norwe

I dunno if bug is scum or just weird, but norwe is sus atm.

It's not the main reason, but notice how he says he's curious about my mech solve, but when we begin discussing it he just vanishes. He was posting elsewhere meanwhile by the way.

I doubt that if he was really curious he wouldn't read and comment on it a bit later, he was online multiple times since that post.

Norwe's opening is intense asking around simple mechanical questions. I feel like that's a likely scum!Norwe opening.

He was

intensely

posting elsewhere during that time by the way.

I've a hard time believing that he would vanish and not look back on this later (he was online at least 3 times by now).

I suspected norwe of being scum (rightfully) in the first 10 pages of our most recent game

I got sidetracked and ended up keeping it as a pet scum read during the game, but I did notice early something wrong with Norwe's slot.

I'm noticing the same thing here, so if I'm wrong I want him to come around and show me.

I town read bunno but I hate looking at other activity to gauge alignment

. It's scummy.

You tr Bunno but your strongest sr is a player HEALing them but not a player on his wagon?

Please explain that.

Why is my not reading SS’ post scummier to you than a player trying to push through an execution on a claimed gardener?

~M

You did it twice.

It was still an ERROR and 100% NAI.

~M

I found it, actually I think.

It was three times I think, actually, but we'll go with error for now.

It was more than your not reading SS post. I agree that the claim should be left alone for now, but voting to give bunno the bug rn is a bad idea. We need more conversation.

[Herta]

Ummm

he literally came to thread when I was asking him a pretty important question (I'm almost winning this game by now and he should stop me if he thinks I'm scum), but rather than doing anything he just left(?) the thread

Even if as town he hadn't realized he should stop me, I feel like he should be attempting something now that I explained how I'm gonna win as scum to him, but still...

I feel like this is a "yes please get over with this already" signal from him. Idk how to interpret it other than that.

This is scummy. 1:00 AM for him and you're doing this.

[Herta]

Town!Bunno should have pointed this out because I know very little escapes Bunno.

I'm flattered but I'm not sure what to say, I did notice he was talking as if he was scum!me but why would I point it out? I thought it was self-evident enough.

About that exchange with bugs overall, I don't feel anything bad or weird that I did. He was literally not reading both my/Taly posts but was scum reading me out of a poor understanding of my mech plans.

He didn't read my mech plans, but he began scum reading me from a poorly read/understood notion that my plans were trying to fool town.

I couldn't resist calling him potential dumb town, It's not one of my proudest moments as I don't like to attack the player but I could understand exactly 0 of where he was coming from.

I can at least vaguely understand why it's plausible town!Norwe could be suspicious of me maybe. I didn't understand bug at all though.

It apparently wasn't self-evident. S&M has spent the last 24 hours not understanding it. You could've helped them out and said, "I think you're looking at this wrong" when you realized they weren't misinterpreting it on purpose. That's why I didn't let it hang any longer. It's obvious they just misunderstood. You admitting that you understood and continued to let them toil in question marks says a lot about you.

[Herta]

pedit
i didnt read any taly posts and skimmed most of yours because a lot of them just were too thick with content i didn't find useful

translation:

You aren't reading the game, neither my posts, but think I'm scum.

I don't use this often, I find it not cool, but you're genuinely dumb or obvious scum.

translation:
You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum

pedit: your tldr needs a tldr

Bugs was writing their translation from a scum!bunno POV. It's easy to see. Just put quotes around the translation part written by Bugs:

"You've seen through all of the useless filler posts I've made as scum and know that I'm scum.

I'm really desperate to ruin your credibility but I'm resorting to ad hominem arguments also lmao ur scum"

Further evidence: Who is the one who resorted to ad hominem? Bunno. Bugs had no reason to put anything about ad hominem in there -- Bugs never used ad hominem.

Even further evidence: The common tactic of mirroring, in this case using "translation" followed by two lines, both ending with the word "scum." The first line is an accusatory statement, and the second is personalized. It's quite poetic really.

The "and" "or" means nothing.

Town!Bunno should have pointed this out because I know very little escapes Bunno.

I’m sorry, I’m still not getting any of this?

~M

Bugs was essentially mocking Bunno. One of them is scum.

[Herta]

Ummm

he literally came to thread when I was asking him a pretty important question (I'm almost winning this game by now and he should stop me if he thinks I'm scum), but rather than doing anything he just left(?) the thread

Even if as town he hadn't realized he should stop me, I feel like he should be attempting something now that I explained how I'm gonna win as scum to him, but still...

I feel like this is a "yes please get over with this already" signal from him. Idk how to interpret it other than that.

This is scummy. 1:00 AM for him and you're doing this.

You do realize he posted "Ummm" by 00:12 AM, and he replied to me 4 minutes after I posted, therefore the chances he was following the thread are big,

right?

If he had gone to sleep I wouldn't have said anything, it's the fact I could see he was logged in that made me think poorly of it.

First I felt like he kinda lurked without posting between pages 7 ~ 13, but the pattern just keeps repeating itself.

Look I don't know if he changed but in my experience town!Norwe wouldn't let me boss things around like this if he was confident on me being scum. Especially if I was trying to pull one on him like this.

I can't believe I'm defending Norwee, but reading the thread is one thing. I follow threads often but many times don't feel like posting or am half asleep so I'll wait until I get the mood and go back and do what I need to. I wouldn't be surprised if every person her has done that, and maybe even posted an answer to one post or interjected something and all of a sudden everyone wants you to address every question that's been posed to that point. Norwee would've been better off not posting anything, but he didn't. I think this is nitpicking if you're going after him for this.

[Herta]

Actually

VOTE: Norwe

I dunno if bug is scum or just weird, but norwe is sus atm.

It's not the main reason, but notice how he says he's curious about my mech solve, but when we begin discussing it he just vanishes. He was posting elsewhere meanwhile by the way.

I doubt that if he was really curious he wouldn't read and comment on it a bit later, he was online multiple times since that post.

Norwe's opening is intense asking around simple mechanical questions. I feel like that's a likely scum!Norwe opening.

He was

intensely

posting elsewhere during that time by the way.

I've a hard time believing that he would vanish and not look back on this later (he was online at least 3 times by now).

I suspected norwe of being scum (rightfully) in the first 10 pages of our most recent game

I got sidetracked and ended up keeping it as a pet scum read during the game, but I did notice early something wrong with Norwe's slot.

I'm noticing the same thing here, so if I'm wrong I want him to come around and show me.

I town read bunno but I hate looking at other activity to gauge alignment

. It's scummy.

You tr Bunno but your strongest sr is a player HEALing them but not a player on his wagon?

Please explain that.

Why is my not reading SS’ post scummier to you than a player trying to push through an execution on a claimed gardener?

~M

You did it twice.

It was still an ERROR and 100% NAI.

~M

I found it, actually I think.

It was three times I think, actually, but we'll go with error for now.

It was more than your not reading SS post

. I agree that the claim should be left alone for now, but voting to give bunno the bug rn is a bad idea. We need more conversation.

What else because whatever you want to believe or how many times I made that error, it still doesn’t change the fact that it 100% was a mistake on my part, because I hadn’t read that post.

I have to go back and look because I don't remember right now, and I don't feel like digging it back up. There were a couple of other things though. I'll do it tomorrow sometime.