Micro 968: Your Nightmare (But 4 Scarier)

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boop

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should we mass claim fears now

would that be beneficial?

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i'm bad with setup spec so i'll just rvs for now

VOTE: kerset

also disinterested with fluff talk BUT marvel movies > dc movies, dc cartoons > marvel cartoons

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yay wagon

VOTE: sirius

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steal

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steal

Nice try.

BRUH u doin me dirty like that

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Well right now we have a 3 person wagon on someone who hasn't posted yet, so that isn't great lol

umalaut has a post literally 2 posts above you

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We didnt finish rvs, theres someone who didnt post at all. Im down to mechtalk but we should finish up formalities so everyone starts playing. This is what happened in that newbie game and we didnt have activity until mush and worst replaced and wanted to play.

who are you talking to

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i too love speaking into the void when i'm bored

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i feel like i haven't posted in a while but i will catch up later

although i predict, i will have not much catching up to do

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What do you mean by that? I think you might be misreading what I wrote. I was only pointing out that we have 3 people voting for Sirius who has yet to post in the game.

but the sirius wagon only ever got 2 votes big?

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i too love speaking into the void when i'm bored

When you stare at the void, does it stare back it at?

it does, but it blinks pretty quickly

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What do you mean by that? I think you might be misreading what I wrote. I was only pointing out that we have 3 people voting for Sirius who has yet to post in the game.

but the sirius wagon only ever got 2 votes big?

i hereby retract this statement, and nobody here ever saw this post

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VOTE: dong

i actually like this

inb4 "lost/gamma ez"

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Hm? As far as i know, i was the only one trying to solve the game mechanically while you were back there jerking off. So i would consider that at least a step in the right direction.

I honestly have trouble believing you are pushing this wagon in good faith. Its either a reaction wagon or you're scum, and i also dont think you're this bad as scum.

bad response to gamma push

granted gamma's push on u is a bit strong and i don't see anything so far that warrants a strong stance, it seems like a push to get thing started rather than something actually solid and confident

180 as a response to that push is what i dislike. trying to solve the game mechanically != pushing game activity to move us into scumhunting, which is, from what i'm seeing, gamma's main reason for his vote on you.

moving on from that, tonally your response is more hostile that i would expect from town that "is doing setup spec and engaging in what he can to keep activity up and move us into scumhunting" and more like "iviaunsei i have been doing stuff you can't push me for that! doing stuff is town".

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hi i skim but i have a paper tomorrow so i don't rly have the time to invest in this game right now.

UNVOTE: for now, i do like dong's response.

also because there haven't been many pages, so i hope yall are ok if i delay my catchup for a dayish

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Sorry, have had some stuff pop up that made it hard to focus on here. Going to catch up and try to be more active.

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FYI ‘boop’ is declaring my presence so people who have questions directed at me can ask

I like this idea but it's also a good cover if scum to set up quickhammers in ExLo
Is there any way to insulate for that possibility?

scum have daychat, he would boop in there

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Instead, we should focus on aristo. He was pretty chatty before role pms, but flaked after a few posts.

158 was pretty bad. It seemed like a post feigning ignorance, and basically a fluff post. I'll probably expand on this tomorrow cause i cant think straight rn
In a similar vein 189 and 204 dont add anything and dont try to. They are there just to have his name pop up occasionally, and dont achieve or help achieve anything. Basically fluffposting.
VOTE: Ari
I'm fine with a lynch on this slot, or a fear claim.

ehhh ari's posting looks more of actual inability to post rather than trying to coast as scum.

no reason for him to need to coast now either, despite being 10 pages in i think we're still light on content and pushes. while i'm not approaching it from gamma's meta-ish perspective, i do think ari's activity isn't alignment indicative at this point

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right now i'm at

wont vote:
Sirius912
Gamma Emerald
Kerset
Dongempire
Random Canadian

will vote:
Umlaut
PookyTheMagicalBear
Aristophanes**

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contemplated voting for umlaut just to have my vote down but my list is pretty townhunted PoE so i'm just gna hold my vote for now

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i like 233, hope rc and uma both respond to it

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I understand most of these, but why not vote sirius? I thought he and pooky were similar content wise. Gamma is also concerning me, i didnt like that he pushed, and then quickly retracted, and i'd like to know why you wont vote for him.

What do you think of forcing ari to claim his fear and lynch someone else? Might as well use the duo lynch we have

i think his booping and some posts are a little towny. i have a stronger town impression from sirius than i do from pooky, but the reads are open to change from now til deadline. i just wanted to put some reads out to hopefully get some more engagement

i don't think it's gamma, especially 227. his push and back off also seems town to me, don't think scum would be keen on going so strong and just 180 off it when they've been wagoned for majority of the game, because that could go wrong very quickly.

i'm ok with the ari-claim plan.

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I think umlaut rolled town here. He seems much calmer and open than the last game i played with him where he was scum. To add, his voting pattern of constantly moving around but doing so cohesively further cements this read for me.

i actually don't like uma's most recent vote, which iirc was a sheep. can you expand a little more about his meta is different thsi game?

Kerset is always town.

is there more to this

Firstly, i doubt a aristo/sirius pairing is viable. 159 seems too obvious for that to be the case. Along with that, i doubt sirius would be this chatty without his scum partner in the wings to prop him up, since most of what he posted was fluff and in a situation where he gets dogpiled on because of that aristo wouldnt have saved him.

sounds solid

Pooky is a different case. I think hes just having fun, which while not town indicative, does mean hes flailing around aimlessly = no agenda. Im fine on differing thoughts here, but the next two im more convinced on.

i agree

Sirius' playstyle is different since we last played, and u see a few reasons for that.
Firstlt, he seems more active yet he doesnt seem to be playing proactively. Most of his posts are repeating or referencing things other people have said, like the gamma/umlaut team meme or pointing out gammas at l-2. These are fluff posts in essence but make it seem like sirius is probing people when in reality hes asking the safest questions and proposing the safest solutions.

i feel this game is still in that early-post-rvs kind of stage. are you comparing sirius's current play to how he played majority of that other game you are referencing here? or does his early-game play in that other game vary drastically from this one?

His relation to gamma is also interesting. Starts off saying his vote on him is suspicious, doesnt go into further detail and neber brings it up again. Logically this could only be distancing, further amplified bygamma straight up ignoring this. However, he did post between that asking kerset if he wants to hammer and whatnot. I doubt he was expecting a yes, and probably wanted to test the waters and see the opinion on gamma in general.
Responding to aristo, he also says the scumteam is gamma/umlautz which is even more distancing. Consider that he made 0 pushes on gamma and has him confscum based on us wagoning him. I doubt he believed this, which is why he avoided making a case, and he probably thought a lynch wouldnt go through evident by his sitting on a wagon and probing people.

what do you think of gamma directly addressing sirius's boops and insinuating that they could be used as a tool to quickhammer in lylo situations? does that seem like an interaction scumbuddies would fabricate? also with daychat, i would think scum plan their interactions much more, and also remind each other when they send interactions to each other.

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wont vote:
Sirius912
Gamma Emerald
Kerset
Dongempire
Random Canadian

explain this part

sirius for tonal + booping. kind of a superficial townread. only scum motivs i see so far is baiting for hammers on gamma to get a possible miselim without having to be the hammer, but town can ask for hammers to gauge out reactions too. fluff is pretty nai currently

gamma's strong entry doesn't seem very beneficial for him as scum. plenty of other ways to engage the wagon and do some basic towntelling to get easy early townreads, especially since this game has been moving slow. i also really like what he said about the boops, really strikes me as town. not rly a townslip, but almost there.

kerset is gut/tonal. will wait for more content, but i don't see anything from them that makes me want to vote them. nice response to sirius asking for hammer, calling out boops are some weak towntells that i have on kerset

dong's towny as shit

rc's towny as shit

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FYI ‘boop’ is declaring my presence so people who have questions directed at me can ask

I like this idea but it's also a good cover if scum to set up quickhammers in ExLo
Is there any way to insulate for that possibility?

scum have daychat, he would boop in there

Huh

Huh?

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Terrible logic. Why would I lynch Gamma if I were scumpartners eith him?
Especially with this mechanic!

bad response

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anw i'm going to be quite lurky this next week, it's midterm season. will drop by with these catch ups every day hopefully, but my memory will probably be trash!

btw pooky, what are ur reads

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wait deadline is in a day what the fuck?

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I guess this is a townslip from gamma if he didnt know scum have daytalk

possibly intentional fake townslip?

bigger reach

wanna post some reads?

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i'm posting this 10 minutes before my paper to say that i won't be around until close to deadline (like 2-3 hours before deadline) although i'll try to pop in whenever i can between papers but i can address this for now:

i actually don't like uma's most recent vote, which iirc was a sheep. can you expand a little more about his meta is different thsi game?

What's wrong with sheeping? I thought RC made good points and Kerset's ISO shows a lower signal:noise ratio than I'm comfortable with.

i don't like people that sheep blindly, which is what your post look like, as compared to this one here where you take some ownership in your vote by explicitly stating the parts that you agree with. to just say "baaa." and vote is lazy, and doesn't show to town the specific things you dislike, which makes it easier to mask ingenious reads.

i also skimmed the rest, though i haven't read dong's posts in detail. i'm ok with ari/kerset. we can fearclaim one and elim the other

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ok i leave now bye

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hi dong

lynch sirius fearkill gamma?

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VOTE: sirius

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omgus?

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Way things are looking its a lynch between sirius or you. I still think you're town, so can you join us on the wagon?

both you and lost said that you are fine with ari as well

yes, but I think ari has the least content amongst the 3, and I'm not sure if his will be the most beneficial. would prefer Sirius and gamma

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would u like to move your vote off kerset then?

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me

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Not especially. If Sirius wagon keeps growing I'll vote Ari as an alternative to that, but I like where I am now.

i don't see kerset happening honestly

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I also think kerset is town

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i'm ok with ari/kerset. we can fearclaim one and elim the other

What made you change your mind since this post?

that would b a mistype

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ari who do you want to lynch?

lost who do you want to lynch?

I'm voting who I want

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u r absolutely right. my reads are trash

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im also on mobile until deadline

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i'm ok with ari/kerset. we can fearclaim one and elim the other

What made you change your mind since this post?

that would b a mistype

which part of this is a mis-type?

the kerset part

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Lost, who was it supposed to say instead of Kerset?

i was comfortable with ari/Sirius. gamma become a viable option over ari after reading dongs posts

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blah blah pooky

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so am i

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I also think kerset is town

Like this is a very strange post to make at this point in time. 1h b4 deadline - kerset is leading vote getter. He states he thinks Kers is town but doesn't state why - that's a red-flag for me because it feels like scum positioning for Kers inno flip rather than town trying to defend Kers because if it was town defending Kers he would state why he thinks Kers is town and provide an alt-wagon push. Instead it's just some non-chalant this dude is inno post.

I've thought kerset was town for a while now tho

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there's literally no time to case

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aren't scum driven wagons less likely to hit elim or smth

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to be honest gamma should die just for not being here (and not casting vote at all)

I'm ok with gamma lynch and fearkill Sirius too

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who's the fearkill

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shld really settle the fearkill before the thread locks

for both possible alignment flips

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shld really settle the fearkill before the thread locks

for both possible alignment flips

Shoot where you think scum is lol

that seems a bit disorganised

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dong thoughts?

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dong thoughts?

Right now, nothing. I'll have to examine the nightkill because pooky seems an absurdly safe kill. I assume it was made by a team not afraid of you, me or aristo. Not that im good

@Jingle who wins if everyone dies at the same night?

idgi. wouldn't they want to keep u and me arnd cuz we fought for kerset-town?

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i have consulted webmd

i diagnose myself with apathy toward this game

some1 help

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i will now pull a read out of my ass in hopes that this game once again comes alive

it's gamma/kerset

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wrong reads + active player = more confusion and dissonance in town.

anw ari, i look forward to your case whenever you feel its ready

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@Jingle who wins if everyone dies at the same night?

If literally every player dies simultaneously, both win conditions are achieved. Mafia achieves parity and town eliminates all mafia.

If we knew this on day 1 we could have just all agreed to fearkill one another for the mutual win.

Actually, it may still be possible to arrange this?

Question for everyone:

(True/False) "I believe a mutual win is just as good as a win for my team only."

My answer is

True

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If everyone says True to this then it is likely possible, with unanimous cooperation, to force a mutual win.

nope

there's a pretty good chance those that have already died are the fears of those alive, so that would probably leave 3 of us immune to a fearkill, and we wouldn't be able to cleanly kill off everyone

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i actl do think dong could be scum, but when i saw the flips i alr knew i'd get elim'd today

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ehhh i typed out a plan but realized it was too messy and only gets us to lylo with 1 conftown and that doesn't really help

i'm down to claim, but i will say that i don't see any mechanically way to win this currently. probably the best bet is a mix of reads, poe, and fearkills to hopefully end it with night actions

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rc
gamma
umlaut
dong
ari

town on top, scum on bottom

that would be my kill preference

for anyone that does care about my opinion

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Yeah thats sad.
Im waiting on ari and losts thoughts on whether or not we should claim roles

the lazy side of me wants to claim because planning night action is easy and it's not like we'll make miseducated elims and fearkills and end up botching this

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but we're 6 layers with 1 scum, why are we so bad rn

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oh dong are we claining now?

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im success

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which is a bit ironic cuz im not rly succeeding

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im flipping green

would prefer not to be the elim target considering the above statement

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im flipping green

would prefer not to be the elim target considering the above statement

Are you insinuating that you think I am scum and are therefore eager to fearkill me?

i'm insinuating that im town

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i hope yall know what yall are doing the next day

feel free to hammer

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488 was bullshit just to make things happen. when i made that post i was pretty apathetic about the game state because i knew i was probably top elim candidate for the day, and i'm not particularly against it because town is in a decent spot right now

508 and 510 are pretty consistent with where i am now. dong is very much paranoia. hence "i do think dong could be scum". i'm not sure if my uncertainty of my dong read is clear, but if it wasn't, i hope it's clear now

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i think its inevitable at this point but i still think yall should fearkill

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the last scum has a pretty low chance of hitting his fear kill since we haven't outed fears yet (i think)

might as well announce who you want to be fear killed and take it from there. the only way i see this failing is if the town feakill goes through, faction kill goes through, and scum also somehow nail their fearkill correctly. i still think that's pretty unlikely

you also get to reduce your elim pool more for the next day

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Correct, we don't know who can be fear killed besides you and that gamma can't be.

wait what?

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last i recalled only gamma outed his fear

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VOTE: dong

if it matters in the end i think i would prefer this over ari

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i dont think dong would ever get this lazy

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between dong and ari's recent posts dong has been getting lazy and agitated wrt my elim

too big of a change since his early game

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You bought that? It honestly feels like hes saying hes cool for s potential reconsideration by simply not giving us any more stuff to talk about. I dont have any issues with my lost vote, though i arrived by PoE i believe i can still support it without it

like this dismissiveness

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Just push a lost lynch through please, im having mental issues

and this

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In that case, umlaut or rc, do you fear brain damage?

also handy for him to either find his target or narrow down his target pool if he were scum

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Also Umlaut didn't claim his exact fear, just that he can be fearkilled

I did though, Dong asked if I was afraid of brain damage and I said yes.

rip

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also top

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yay i love it when there's people online and i have nth to do cuz i don't wanna do work

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feel free to ask me more about dong/ari, even if you've already decided to elim me in the end

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also why did you guys ever claim fear? horrible idea

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whether or not he actually gets to do it is different. as town i have no interest in knowing who i can fearkill tonight, because the more wrong kills i do the worse it gets for town

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i guess you can only do 1 wrong kill lol

the more wrong kills that happen*

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rc i see you online come n chat

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I'm here lost. What do you want to talk about?

I don't see why using a fear kill tonight after an elim would be pro-town.

smaller elim pool for next day, less uncertainty.

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also there's only 1 conftown and 1 more that's as good as conftown

we're 6. lets say we elim 1, no fearkill. we enter the next day with 4, probably 1 conftown. you're not going to no-elim and enter the next day with 3 and no conftown

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My understanding is that the Mafia win when they reach parity, but 2:1 is not parity so even if we miss tomorrow a night will still happen for this to play out.

what if by the time you hit the 2:1 the last scum cant even be fearkilled?

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then you might as well try to fearkill as town to narrow it down your elim pile

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Then we lose.

What if Dong('s slot) is scum like you seem to think it is, town firing squad hits the wrong target tonight, and scum fearkills me?

lynch dong then ezpz

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sweet pagetop

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in the event that we elim dong and he flips green

at least we know that the last scum isn't guaranteed a fearkill

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Then we lose.

What if Dong('s slot) is scum like you seem to think it is, town firing squad hits the wrong target tonight, and scum fearkills me?

lynch dong then ezpz

Can't do that if we've already lost (we'd be at 1:1 then)

i mean right now

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Do you think his mechanical talk is worse than Lost's?

i cri

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I have not read yet but intent for deadline

Please don't hammer until we get a replacement.

Is deadline paused? Will there be an extension?

If either answer is no I will hammer before deadline.

yes both

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I get why having a smaller elim pool is beneficial and would advocate for that in a different setup. With this game though, if we elim today and go ahead with fear kills tonight, the game can be over by the time we get to tomorrow if the town fear kills wrong and scum gets a double kill off (NK and fear). I feel like the chances of that happening are better than you give it credit for.

meh, i actually don't think it's as likely as you think it is, but i think we've reached the point where any further discussion doesn't hold any value

i'll be around until the replacement comes and beyond, feel free to shoot any question my way

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Lost, who did you fear target last night as well? I'd also be interested in hearing Dong's slot's answer to this but not sure we will be able to get that.

pooky

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let pj catch up then we can finish this wagon lmao yall rly not getting anywhere til I flip green

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why is this game so slow

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I feel kind of bad leaving Lost in this limbo-type situation where he's been the main target all day.

u can make it up to me by actually eliminating scum tmr

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I don't get why Dong would've targeted Lost but you really can't make a case on that with so much WIFOM involved.

maybe it's cuz we've had lots of games together recently lol

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vla until monday, sorry
my predecessor voted lost so ill trust them

lmao that's literally the day of deadline

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Deadline is 6:00 PM CST on Monday the 12th, or roughly 33 hours.

At the time this was posted, 6:00 PM CST on Monday the 12th was roughly 57 hours, not 33. It would have been 33 hours if it said Sunday the 11th, which is today.

I'm not sure which one Jingle intended, but depending on his intention we may have as few as 6 hours left.

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i meant to type "hm" but it disappeared

im inclined to think it's on the 12th rather than in a few hours

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i won't be around for deadline. opinion on gamestate hasnt changed given nothing has happened

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im fine with claiming fears

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been town still town

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i have nothing to add i need help

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actually based on the posts you quoted, and ari's recent posting(tonally), that's a pretty convincing case for aritown

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Yeah, agreed on that.

Didn't expect Lost to so readily accept a case for Ari being town, given I've been pretty clear I don't consider Gamma a suspect and Gamma was saying he's more interested in looking at the two of them first. Lost, who do

you

think is the scum?

hmmmmmm tbh i thought it wld be ari, but those are good points you made

i'm kind of flipflopping between ariscum(which i was pretty sure was the case) and gammascum(which is a lot harder to prove)

both of those i would prefer over youscum because youscum doesn't need to post 732 imo

gammatown (for me) was built upon the modkill post he made, but i am paranoid now that the options are limited and bouncing around

would like to hear more from ari before i really give you a definitive answer on this

also gamma saying he would reply in a sec, and then barely offering anything <- dont likey

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Why doesn’t scum!Umlaut need to post 732?

look at that, a solid 24 hrs of absolutely content since ari's post above

he literally doesn't need to do anything if he was scum, he could literally lurk this game to completion

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i mean... i know it isn't me, and i'm not gna fearkill soooooooo

is noelim a viable option

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or i could jsut fearkill ari cuz im between ari and gamma

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It seems we’ve all been coming around to that conclusion

I really dislike this post, who is "we all" here? You and Ari?

Lost was also thinking that earlier

huh

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Wait, why wouldn't you fearkill Ari if we miselim today? There's no reason not to, if Ari is innocent it just means we lose regardless.

i would if we miselim, i wouldn't if we noelim

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im getting more ok with gamma over ari

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if we no elim and ari isn't scum, then fearkilling ari would lose the game? lmao

and if we miselim then whether or not i fearkill we would lose anyway, so i might as well fearkill ari and maybe win if ari was scum

its not rocket science pewpewpew

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hi I'm conftown

I also didn't fear ari so there's that

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Im leaning gamma

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VOTE: Umlaut
I’ll let Lost decide whenever he’s ready.

i honestly expected more of a reaction

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oh sick I got top

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would scumumalaut purposely leave me alive and conftown me cuz i think he's town to win the dub? hmmm

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Any questions for me at all?

nope, I'm terrible at this game and have just been reading isos while cycling thru stages of paranoia

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maybe I'm just rly bad at rmbing this game

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im just gna hammer cuz tbh I made up my mind at day start and I've just been trying to convince myself otherwise to no avail and im too scared to hammer in case I'm wrong lmao

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VOTE: gamma

I play bad dis game I m sorry

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Well, that was lucky for me!

i think you played well, just that paranoia got the better of me and i was pretty scared to be holding hammer.

sorry to have dragged this out with my low activity, but had a fun game nonetheless