Micro 982: Dr. Hideyoshi

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be

Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone

. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

So if I understand this if either Shellley of Pooky get elimed on D1, the town scuentist dies but we can still win if neither die?

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be

Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone

. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

So if I understand this if either Shellley of Pooky get elimed on D1, the town scuentist dies but we can still win if neither die?

And the one of them who flips town, I mean, so we probably shouldn’t risk killing the town scientist.

[Gloria Cleary]

This is early and weak but very slight tl on Bulge.

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: gloria cleary
hi

Who are you?

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: gloria cleary
hi

Who are you?

And why the naked vote? Even if it’s RvS, shouldn’t you at least give some kind of a reason?

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria are you shelly's friend?

Why are you asking me that?

[Gloria Cleary]

setup spec isnt the right word. setup fluff??? its not scummy its just fluffy so im trying to get stuff out of u by voting u

Well good luck on getting much this early. I’ll certainly try though.

[Gloria Cleary]

because its unlikely we elim either me or shelly so i need to find her friend so we can win the game duh

No “duh” is actually necessary here.

[Gloria Cleary]

because its unlikely we elim either me or shelly so i need to find her friend so we can win the game duh

No “duh” is actually necessary here.

I don’t have either one of you as a friend but if whichever one of you is town gets elim’d, it’s definitely bad, because we obviously don’t want the town scientist to die.

[Gloria Cleary]

so are you her buddy?

See previous post.

[Gloria Cleary]

Someone in the lab is a traitor and has secretly cloned me.

Who do you think it is?

I’m still trying to figure out how the setup works. Why should I assume you’re the town here and not Shelley?

[Gloria Cleary]

Shelly does not have my memories.

Ask her who my first love in high school was.

She will have no idea.

Spoiler:

I think I found her.

[Gloria Cleary]

are you trying to pokit me?

I’d actually have to tr you for that to happen, wouldn’t I and I’m still trying to sort you.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think TGP may be right. I think Shelley is town here.

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be

Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone

. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

So if I understand this if either Shellley of Pooky get elimed on D1, the town scuentist dies but we can still win if neither die?

According to this, there isn’t any town clone or am I totally misunderstanding this?

[Gloria Cleary]

well the clone joins the town after we kill the rogue scientist

well the clone joins the town after we kill the rogue scientist

Oh I see, well nobody’s posting enough. I don’t think it’s TGP anyway.

[Gloria Cleary]

hellbooks explain to me why you aren't scum with shelly in 6 words.

six words? shit, used them up

thanks 4 trying!!!

Maybe it’s this guy? I need to hear more from Bulge though but not thrilled with hellbrooks response to this. They accuse me of fluff posting, then just drop it.

[Gloria Cleary]

setup spec isnt the right word. setup fluff??? its not scummy its just fluffy so im trying to get stuff out of u by voting u

Why do you need to vote me to get responses from me?

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 1.1

hellbooks -
The Bulge - (2) shellyc, TheGoldenParadox

PookyTheMagicalBear

-
Gloria Cleary - (1) hellbooks

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (1) The Bulge

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)

Shelly is the clone

whether she is scum depends on whether she willingly gives up the name of the traitor in my lab.

well the clone joins the town after we kill the rogue scientist

Why are you voting her? Aren’t you risking killing the town scientist?

[Gloria Cleary]

stop trolling Gloria

How tf do you read that as “trolling”?

You shouldn’t be voting Shelley here because you endanger the town scientists.

Tell me honestly Pooky, is Shelley right? Are you scum here?

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

@Pooky

[Gloria Cleary]

pooky if you're town fypov shelly is scum but also limming shelly scum kills a townie resulting in a conftown (you), two townies, and one maf

hmmmm shelly is wrong about not voting pooky from her pov but i don't know if it's scum wrong or just wrong

So I’m not wrong then? One town scientist dies. But isn’t the optimal play for town to lim the mafia scientist?

You are currently my most confident tr.

[Gloria Cleary]

if i get shelly scum killed today we go into tomm with 4 alive and 1 IC, 2 shots to kill the scum - if I can identify a single def-townie in the 3 remaining from how they interact with shelly that's lock-win

It’s not me and TGP seems super townie, so it’s probably between Bulge and Brooks. If Shelley is scum and she’s voting Bulge then that would seem to point to Brooks unless Bulge is distancing but his “bold move” comment didn’t strike me as a buddy and Brooks refused to answer your question. She claimed to vote me because I was apparently posting “fluff” and then just dropped it.

VOTE: Brooks

Let’s see you do some actual solving.

[Gloria Cleary]

hellbooks explain to me why you aren't scum with shelly in 6 words.

six words? shit, used them up

I didn’t really care for this post.

[Gloria Cleary]

Please make a good faith effort to pronoun other players in the game correctly. You can view each player's pronoun setting in their profile, beneath the avatar.

Whoops, sorry TGP.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think TGP may be right. I think Shelley is town here.

ths progression is meekly pooky / gloria disassociative -> in other news i'm trending gloria town anyways so have an UNVOTE:

Why do you need to vote me to get responses from me?

4 fun also it like worked kind of lol

Why are you assuming Pooky is the scum here?

[Gloria Cleary]

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

UNVOTE:

[Gloria Cleary]

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

UNVOTE:

You under no circumstances should be voting either Pooky or Shelley today or you’re killing a town scientist!

[Gloria Cleary]

Bulge is now my strongest tr. I still don’t like Brooks but I want her to claim.

[Gloria Cleary]

Yeah, sorry what I said earlier, TGP. I think Pooky got into my head. Because I hard tt both you and Bulge and I think the fact that Shelley wants to elim the slot that I find the most suspicious means that it probably is Pooky. Sorry for being dumb earlier but this is the safest and Brooks did very clearly perspective slip.

Intent to hammer

[Gloria Cleary]

like seriously

this is a vanilla only game

what do you think brooks will be able to claim ? like cop or something? lol

We all have roles. My role PM didn’t say VT.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think TGP may be right. I think Shelley is town here.

ths progression is meekly pooky / gloria disassociative -> in other news i'm trending gloria town anyways so have an UNVOTE:

Why do you need to vote me to get responses from me?

4 fun also it like worked kind of lol

im just theorizing

[Gloria Cleary]

We all have roles. My role PM didn’t say VT.

...

2

this is an open setup stop trolling me :/

Adrenaline-Tweaked/Clone

im on board pooky

Is Shelley trolling here by claiming this? Because she has to know she can be CC’d. Unlike my role which there are exactly three of, there’s only one A-T.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Pooky, what is your read on Brooks? The only other read you’ve given on anyone other than Shelley was TGP when they voted you. Why did you autojump to the conclusion that TGP is a Shelley buddy?

Why haven’t you given any reads other reads than that?

[Gloria Cleary]

what in the world are you talking about

There's 4 people in the lab who do not look like me.

They are 1 Evil Scientist and 3 Good Scientists.

The Good Scientist Role PM is public info...

What exactly are you guys looking for Hellbrooks to claim here?

C’mon Pooky, You’re the one who sounds like they’re trolling. Why does an open setup mean that claims don’t matter?

[Gloria Cleary]

my read on brooks is that brooks is innocent because if brooks is mafia shelly would be hard throwing here

What do you mean

specifically

by “hard throwing”?

I’m asking based on your read of that slot without regards to Shelley. Why is TGP her buddy because they voted you? Why aren’t you considering the possibility fypov that they’re just wrong?

[Gloria Cleary]

oh hm the mafia scientist is a flagbearer and hell is *probably* scum
this is l-1 i believe?

intent

I SR TGP for this post because it makes 0 sense to claim intent -

but now you're claiming intent too so i dont know like am i the only one not in crazyville?

In what world do you read claiming “intent” as scummy? Why does that make 0 sense?

[Gloria Cleary]

like there is no "town cred" for yeeting your mafia partner in this game. Shelly loses if Brooks!scum gets yeeted here so if Brooks is scum, there's no way Shelly would put Brooks there at L-1 with people like you claiming intent.

Here’s the thing, I’m not completely sure on either you or Shelley but her claiming A -T unless someone else CC’s it means it probably is you because there’s only one A-T.

So, now you understand the point of claiming.

[Gloria Cleary]

In what world do you read claiming “intent” as scummy? Why does that make 0 sense?

Do you think there's a point to claiming Vanilla Townie in a MT game?

like seriously

this is a vanilla only game

what do you think brooks will be able to claim ? like cop or something? lol

We all have roles. My role PM didn’t say VT.

[Gloria Cleary]

Why would I not use my knowledge of shelly to sort Brooks?

I know Shelly is scum. I know Shelly is trying to kill Brooks. I know if the Mafia Clone kills the Mafia Scientist the game is over in town-win so there's no way Brooks can be scum here.

Fair but I am obviously in a very different position. And TGP doesn’t feel scummy to me.

[Gloria Cleary]

no i have no idea what you think the point of claiming is

Every town player got this role PM from this post 2

the mafia can also see that post

so what is the point of claiming?

like there is no "town cred" for yeeting your mafia partner in this game. Shelly loses if Brooks!scum gets yeeted here so if Brooks is scum, there's no way Shelly would put Brooks there at L-1 with people like you claiming intent.

Here’s the thing, I’m not completely sure on either you or Shelley but her claiming A -T unless someone else CC’s it means it probably is you because there’s only one A-T.

So, now you understand the point of claiming.

Adrenaline-Tweaked/Clone

im on board pooky

What about this Pooky? Do you think Shelley fake hardclaims this when she knows she wikl be counterclaimed?

If no one else claims A-T, that means she’s obviously telling the truth. Because we know there’s one in the game and only one.

[Gloria Cleary]

nobody knows who is A-T or C

except the bad guys

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be Adrenaline-Tweaked, and a Town Scientist to be Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

^

Adrenaline-Tweaked/Clone

im on board pooky

@Shelley, Pooky is right. How do you know you are A -T?

[Gloria Cleary]

Cancel Intent

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 1.3

hellbooks - (2)The Bulge, shellyc
The Bulge - (1) TheGoldenParadox

PookyTheMagicalBear

-
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (1) hellbooks

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary,

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)

The scientists seemed to be arguing about some kind of staffing issue. Isis didn't pay all that much attention. Instead she cleaned out the two glass tanks for the day's experiments. She hadn't read the experiment plan for today, but they almost always spawned something or other. She felt strongly that the experimented animals need a clean start to their short lives. Even the cloned ones.

No one hammer anything yet. Shelley isn’t informed about being A-T, so she can’t genuinely claim that.

[Gloria Cleary]

I and all members of my faction that are known to me and I to them, VOTE: The Bulge and win the game.

pooky you are confscum and the only reason im not voting you is because the town clone dying actually doesn't put us in such a good position tbh

*deep breath* town creator of dr. hideyoshi clone

btw i didnt realise that pooky was confscum before since i completely misread the setup and it confused me a lot

@Shelley, I actually had to read and reread the setup a few times before I understood what post 10 was referring to.

[Gloria Cleary]

its not gauging support

its scum trying to make it not look like a lol-hammer

Yeah but I did that too, so I don’t see why claiming intent in itself is scum indicative?

The most suspicious thing for me is that they wanted to vote you over Brooks. Both you and Shelley are masters at deepwolfing, so we’re never going to figure out the game that way.

So rn, if I can figure our which of you or Shelley it’s more likely to be, I will probably know who to vote for.

[Gloria Cleary]

My gut tells me it’s Brooks > TGP, so I’m leaning that way rn.

[Gloria Cleary]

anyway i'd be worried abt a future where someone like TGP or bulge is soft bussing pooks for cred (soft bussing bc there's no threat of eliming between clones) & pooks leverages my town flip (yes babes i'm flipping town) into a shelly miselim but i could be overthinking here -- it's just one possibility of many. taking into accoutn everything, my theory going out is shelly / tgp

Where are you getting Bulge “softbus” from? Where did he ever say he wanted to elim Pooky today? It’s posts like these that seriously ping me.

[Gloria Cleary]

Both you and Shelley are masters at deepwolfing

uh, what? lol

Pooky and Shelley

[Gloria Cleary]

anyway i'd be worried abt a future where someone like TGP or bulge is soft bussing pooks for cred (soft bussing bc there's no threat of eliming between clones) & pooks leverages my town flip (yes babes i'm flipping town) into a shelly miselim but i could be overthinking here -- it's just one possibility of many. taking into accoutn everything, my theory going out is shelly / tgp

You think Shelley!town is hard trying to get you miselimed? Please explain your thought process to me because I don’t understand.

I initially reacted to you referencing Bulge bussing Pooky because it was TGP who wanted to lim Pooky not Bulge. So, I guess I don’t understand. Are you arguing that Pooky is scum here and one of TGP/Bulge are distancing him here? And how come I’m the only one here who still isn’t leaning either way between Pooky/Shelley?

[Gloria Cleary]

@Bulge, please help me out here. *pulls hair out*. gah!

[Gloria Cleary]

just promise me that u will stop tring shelly after i die lol

Well that was what was confusing me about a previous post of yours where you were worried about TGP and Bulge bussing Pooky and I was like wtf? If you flip green that looks bad for Shelley and possibly good for Pooky.

Maybe I gave Bulge a too quck tr? Idk. If I had any idea which one was scum between Pooky and Shelley, this would be a lot easier.

Scum generally try to distance and TGP and Shelley haven’t really done that much at all. Pooky auto assuming that TGP is Shelley’s friend also concerns me.

[Gloria Cleary]

just promise me that u will stop tring shelly after i die lol

I don’t think it’s you anymore. Unfortunately, it’s a plurality vote, so my vote might not matter. And I think you still lose in a tie vote, so I’m not sure it can be stopped unless the townie on your wagon unvotes. So, you’d need to convince whomever that is. My vote can only guarantee your elimination faster. My not voting or voting elsewhere won’t stop it.

[Gloria Cleary]

the townie on your wagon unvotes

this logic implies that shelly is scum (?)

I was specifically referring to either you or Bulge. I’m still not sure on which on Pooky/Shelley yet but Brooks!town looks possibly good for Pooky and possibly bad for Shelley.

So, I’m asking you if you are the town, assuming Brooks flips green, to possibly reacess if you really think she is scum here. I’m kind’ve getting a bad feeling about her flip now and if she’s town, we need to try harder to solve this.

[Gloria Cleary]

the townie on your wagon unvotes

this logic implies that shelly is scum (?)

I was specifically referring to either you or Bulge. I’m still not sure on which on Pooky/Shelley yet but Brooks!town looks possibly good for Pooky and possibly bad for Shelley.

So, I’m asking you if you are the town, assuming Brooks flips green, to possibly reacess if you really think she is scum here. I’m kind’ve getting a bad feeling about her flip now and if she’s town, we need to try harder to solve this.

@Bulge, please read, assuming Brooks flips town, if you are the townie (between you and TGP) on her wagon, because I’m having doubts on her flipping scum now.

[Gloria Cleary]

VOTE: the bulge
i think i am liking this a slight bit more rn

Can you explain why you think it’s Bulge over TGP?

[Gloria Cleary]

the townie on your wagon unvotes

this logic implies that shelly is scum (?)

I was specifically referring to either you or Bulge. I’m still not sure on which on Pooky/Shelley yet but Brooks!town looks possibly good for Pooky and possibly bad for Shelley.

So, I’m asking you if you are the town, assuming Brooks flips green, to possibly reacess if you really think she is scum here. I’m kind’ve getting a bad feeling about her flip now and if she’s town, we need to try harder to solve this.

@Bulge, please read, assuming Brooks flips town, if you are the townie (between you and TGP) on her wagon, because I’m having doubts on her flipping scum now.

I'm not sure I follow. are you backing down, or advocating for following through with the lim regardless of expected alignment for info?

I’m asking you to re-evaluate if you really think Brooks is scum because I would like us to ideally scroll who actually is the scum out of the three of you. Iow, I’m not confident on it being Brooks anymore. In fact I’m leaning away from that.

[Gloria Cleary]

bulge
gloria
booky

lets vote shelllly-scum

thx

No, we need to vote amongst the rest of the players, so we don’t possibly kill a town scientist or one of the two uninformed town roles. So fmpov, since I still don’t know which one of you is town/scum. that would be extremely irresponsible and obviously risky if we’re wrong.

[Gloria Cleary]

bulge
gloria
booky

lets vote shelllly-scum

thx

if you think tgp is the partner, why shouldn't we from our pov elim them first for the chance at instawin and avoid the possibility of instalose?

+1

Yes, we need to find the scum outside of Pooky/Shelley first.

So maybe it is TGP then?

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t think it’s you anymore.

why not?

Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town, Is there some reason you’re opposed to reacessing? I just want us to get this right if possible.

[Gloria Cleary]

I don’t think it’s you anymore.

why not?

Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town, Is there some reason you’re opposed to reacessing? I just want us to get this right if possible.

It’s still possible it is them but I don’t just want this rammed through if I’m not convinced. So you tell me, why are so do certain Brooks is the scum here?

[Gloria Cleary]

Okay, I really don’t think it’s Brooks. Can either Pooky or Shelley actually bus and still win?

[Gloria Cleary]

Is there some reason you’re opposed to reacessing? I just want us to get this right if possible.

I'm not opposed but-

i think last two posts kinda did it for me?

I mean 217 and 218

i used to townread the rest of the playerlist minusing confscum, looking into tgp again later

Can you please explain why you think 217 and 218 scummy because I don’t see it?

[Gloria Cleary]

ugh i mean 217 and 218 townie

So you agree with me then on Brooks town?

So, who is the scum between TGP and Bulge do you think?

[Gloria Cleary]

But Shelley is agreeing with me on town!Brooks and I think the safest thing is to figure out who’s scum. between Bulge and TGP.

I’m thinking Bulge looks better but you forget that Shelley reconsidering on Brooks doesn’t make it obvious to me which one of you/Shelley is town, so best strategy is to lim the scummier of Bulge or TGP because we will have one less player. Could be me, could be Brooks, could be whomever’s town between TGP/Bulge.

[Gloria Cleary]

I think TGP/Bulge fmpov is easier to sort than you/Shelley and less risky. What we need to do here is to find the third town between TGP/Bulge and lim them and we need at least three votes on that player.

I have more confidence in sorting between Bulge/TGP than I do between you/Shelley.

[Gloria Cleary]

Does “flagbearer” mean mafia scientist here? I’m assuming yes?

[Gloria Cleary]

i did not read that pedit

bulge we are mindmelding

VOTE: hellbooks lets go speedwagon

oh hm

the mafia scientist is a flagbearer

and hell is *probably* scum
this is l-1 i believe?

intent

Oh, question answered.

[Gloria Cleary]

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

Brooks is obvtown and if you’re town here get tf off of his wagon ASAP. Reactions will tell us which one of Bulge/TGP is scum here.

[Gloria Cleary]

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

Brooks is obvtown and if you’re town here get tf off of HER wagon ASAP. Reactions will tell us which one of Bulge/TGP is scum here.

Sorry, don’t yell at me @Isis. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

Yell yell

[Gloria Cleary]

It’s ok I still wub u princess

<3

[Gloria Cleary]

Gth, Bulge not wanting to elim within Pooky/Shelley looks townier because if we get that wrong, we lose a town scientist and possibly one of the two uninformed townies.

From Pooky/Shelley pov, their best elim is each other but from whomever’s town in the rest, that should be viewed as suboptimal, so rn, I tr Bulge > TGP for that alone.

Problem is people aren’t posting enough and the way things look rn with the votes, Brooks is getting elimed which sucks but with both a plurality elim + an apathetic playerlist, how do we change course with just over a day left? :/

[Gloria Cleary]

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

i think bulge's play has been waaay more careful so im inclined to think that's scummy but its hard also omg look at us!!!

TGP gave intent jumped on Pooky then back onto you when I objected. However, town never wants to miselim, so their reactions ought to be telling. I just don’t know if we have enough time because of plurality and playerlist being so apthethetic, so I will be pissed if apathy is the reason we lose this game.

[Gloria Cleary]

if i die at least i died a hero

But that’s bad for us because we lose an obvtown and usually I could prevent that but I have low confidence because of plurality elim and apathy.

When you have a playerlist this apathetic, it’s extremely easy for scum to hide and just coast.

[Gloria Cleary]

Gth, Bulge not wanting to elim within Pooky/Shelley looks townier because if we get that wrong, we lose a town scientist and possibly one of the two uninformed townies.

i think your reasoning is good but what i'm thinking is that whatever their words were, their actions ended up being the same (voting me) so

Yeah but the low activity levels make it extremely difficult to push either into obvtowning, so I really feel helpless now.

[Gloria Cleary]

I am not apathetic. I have given a good path to winning. :/

Not you and Brooks, everyone else is barely posting.

[Gloria Cleary]

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

i think bulge's play has been waaay more careful so im inclined to think that's scummy but its hard also omg look at us!!!

i wanted to elaborate on this: playing carefully is something i would expect from a flagbearer

You may be right but without either of their reactions to you obvtowning, it’s extremely hard to tell. Whichever one of them is town is whether they realize it or not, is scumsiding by being so apathetic. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 1.6

hellbooks - (3) The Bulge, shellyc, TheGoldenParadox
The Bulge - (1) hellbooks

PookyTheMagicalBear

- (0)
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (0)

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)


Moments later, Gramz was back in one of the tanks, taking a nap. Isis felt confused about what she thought he had seen. There had clearly been a lump in the python's throat.
Then it dawned on her.
She had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the rat.
Then she had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the feasting python.
But now she was looking at Gramz in a tank.
What if, there were two?
This was a genetics lab, what if cloning had happened?

What if someone had cloned Gramz!?!?!?!?!?!?

@mod any chance at all at an extension or can you prod Bulge, TGP, Shelley?

[Gloria Cleary]

This is really detestable. We are miselming obvtown and there’s not a goddamned thing I can do about it. @Pooky, that won’t make any difference, because only way Brooks doesn’t get elimed is if we get 4 votes and because whomever is town between Bulge/TGP is being apathetic, we’re fucked.

I really hate it when town eats itself.

If they would both post and we could get reactions, we would know but Shelley made it clear she’s now tr Brooks but didn’t fucking uvote her.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'll prod these players when they reach the 48 hour mark.
If those prods lead into a replacement scenario that may trigger a deadline extension.

<3

That is probably are only hope rn.

[Gloria Cleary]

If they would both post and we could get reactions, we would know but Shelley made it clear she’s now tr Brooks but didn’t fucking uvote her.

because shelly is my evil clone.

you guys need to help me vote her

town cant be fragmented.

we take a 50/50 shot on her helpers

or we take a 100% shot on her.

There are 3 votes on Brooks. If we tie with Shelley or any other counterwagon for that matter, Brooks still dies and I doubt we’re getting 4 votes on Shelley. If whomever is town between TGP/Bulge gets off their ass and votes the other, that is most likely our best shot.

Because then you, me and Brooks can vote them out.

[Gloria Cleary]

my vote remains.

217, 218 and beyond. Maybe it is you because instead of re-evaluating you throw shade at the onr person trying to stop this.

[Gloria Cleary]

my vote remains.

217, 218 and beyond. Maybe it is you because instead of re-evaluating you throw shade at the onr person trying to stop this.

We’ll find that out if TGP re-evaluates. I’ve lost my initial tr on Bulge. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

my vote remains.

217, 218 and beyond. Maybe it is you because instead of re-evaluating you throw shade at the onr person trying to stop this.

you still haven't explained how you're so sure, while you had no problems giving reasons for why books is scum before the gamestate changed to where it is now. It's like you slowly built up a trajectory and then when the gamestate no longer suited, you had to dismantle and distance. I could see this being intentional to get a read from me and tgp but I don't believe those were your intentions.

What do you think my “intentions” are and why are you more focused on me then stoping a likely mis-elim? I really don’t care for your shading me over trying to stop the misrlim of a player I believe is likely to flip town.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Bulge’s throwing shade on me rather than re-evaluate Brooks doesn’t exactly scream town to me. Not liking that one bit.

[Gloria Cleary]

what do you think re-evaluate means? I've read what's in the thread, I don't see how it points to obvtown, and books isn't here right now for interactions. I have a pending question to her. are you just going to shade me for not agreeing with you?

You’re shading me for trying to stop an elim on a slot I think is likely to flip town. Why would town!you do that?

[Gloria Cleary]

what do you think re-evaluate means? I've read what's in the thread, I don't see how it points to obvtown, and books isn't here right now for interactions. I have a pending question to her. are you just going to shade me for not agreeing with you?

Okay, tell me why her most recent posts don’t strike you as townie? Shelley specifically mentioned 217 and 218 as being townie but I think that’s true for most of the posts which followed as well.

If you tell me why you think my tr on Brooks is wrong, that obviously isn’t scummy but you auto shading me for this is seriously pinging.

[Gloria Cleary]

You have yet to give adequate reasoning for backing off. if i can determine that you have a towny mindset then i might be inclined to trust you.

Why would scum!me, scum!anyone try to stop a miselim on a slot they tr? What is the possible scum motivation in that? You obviously know from thesetup that me and Brooks can’t possibly be aligned, so in what world do you vuew this as scum indicative?

[Gloria Cleary]

You have yet to give adequate reasoning for backing off. if i can determine that you have a towny mindset then i might be inclined to trust you.

Why would scum!me, scum!anyone try to stop a miselim on a slot they tr? What is the possible scum motivation in that? You obviously know from thesetup that me and Brooks can’t possibly be aligned, so in what world do you vuew this as scum indicative?

And that’s beside the point, if you’re town, reacess that slot please because I think she’s very likely town.

[Gloria Cleary]

This is what is making absolutely no sense to me @Bulge. If this was a setup where me and Brooks could possibly be aligned, your suspicion on me would be a lot less weird but since you know that’s impossible, how in the actual fuck do you see any possible scum motivation in that?

You either think after re-reading Brooks’ posts that I’m wrong or you see what I’m talking about and think I’m right.

[Gloria Cleary]

But bothers me, is that you immediately decide to shade me rather than try to re-acess Brooks. Why are you more concerned with solving me than the slot that’s very likely about to die?

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 1.6

hellbooks - (3) The Bulge, shellyc, TheGoldenParadox
The Bulge - (1) hellbooks

PookyTheMagicalBear

- (0)
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (0)

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)


Moments later, Gramz was back in one of the tanks, taking a nap. Isis felt confused about what she thought he had seen. There had clearly been a lump in the python's throat.
Then it dawned on her.
She had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the rat.
Then she had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the feasting python.
But now she was looking at Gramz in a tank.
What if, there were two?
This was a genetics lab, what if cloning had happened?

What if someone had cloned Gramz!?!?!?!?!?!?

@mod any chance at all at an extension or can you prod Bulge, TGP, Shelley?

I really hope you all are right because I think Brooks is very likely flipping town and no one is willing to even put any effort in attempting to re-evaluate the slot.

If I’m wrong, then tell me what you think I’m not seeing but fffs reread her latest posts. We have under 12 hours. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

My only niggling issue Brooks is fypov, why wouldn’t you be leaning town on Pooky for trying to save you? But then Bulge throwing shade at me for trying to stop your wagon is really hella weird.

If Brooks flips town, I feel best about TGP because that shade Bulge directed at me made no sense whatsoever.

@Brooks, please explain your Pooky/Shelley reads. Thanks.

I still think you’re town but I’m a bit paranoid of your Pooky suspicions considering he is the one wanting to save you? I’m worried that it could possibly be scum distancing.

I don’t think TGP is scum here. They seem to be very transparent about their thought process.

@Shelley, if you think 217 and 218 is town indicative why did you just leave your vote on Brooks and not do more reacessing?

@Pooky, why would you auto assume that if you are wrong about either TGP or Bulge, that would look bad for you?

And why aren’t you trying harder to solve between the two of them?

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 1.6

hellbooks - (3) The Bulge, shellyc, TheGoldenParadox
The Bulge - (1) hellbooks

PookyTheMagicalBear

- (0)
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (0)

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)


Moments later, Gramz was back in one of the tanks, taking a nap. Isis felt confused about what she thought he had seen. There had clearly been a lump in the python's throat.
Then it dawned on her.
She had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the rat.
Then she had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the feasting python.
But now she was looking at Gramz in a tank.
What if, there were two?
This was a genetics lab, what if cloning had happened?

What if someone had cloned Gramz!?!?!?!?!?!?

The deadline expired so nothing can be done anymore.

[Gloria Cleary]

it's pretty hard to sort between pooky and shelly when one of them has dropped off the face of the earth, but I don't think I'm obligated to be townreading Pooky just because he's "wanting to save me" -- in fact i think he seems to be significantly more motivated by trying to push through a shelly elim, a wagon that is never going to happen today, and is trying to avoid committing to an alternate wagon on one of us 4. that being said, yeah, i think shelly is worse overall and I'm still leaning shelly scum. But like, pooky has to be doing town things for me to be tring lol.

Yes, that is an extremely good point. @Pooky, why were you hard pushing a Shelley wagon when you had to know next to no chance of that happening? And again, why didn’t you try to sort Bulge or TGP?

[Gloria Cleary]

@mod, please prod Shelley, it’s been over 2 1/2 days since she’s posted. Thank you.

I have a bad feeling about this flip. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

because I know shelly is scum and I hoped you guys would believe me.

That doesn’t really answer the question of why you didn’t try harder to get a wagon going on TGP or Bulge, because that had far better odds of happening than Shelley.

[Gloria Cleary]

like our townblock is Pooky/Gloria/Brooks.

Together we can't actually do anything because Shelly has 3 votes on brooks.

Our only chance this game is to convince one of the 2 who are with shelly, whichever one is the scum to vote the other way.

This can't happen if we vote the one that is town. So right off the bat we have a 50/50 shot of making our votes mean nothing.

I think you had a much better chance of towncasing Brooks than building a scumcase on Shelley because I still have no idea which one of you is the clone. What I do know is if we voted the wrong one of you, it harms town, so the most logical thing as Brooks pointed out is to try harder to solve Bulge/TGP. because Shelley was clearly not going to happen.

[Gloria Cleary]

That doesn’t really answer the question of why you didn’t try harder to get a wagon going on TGP or Bulge, because that had far better odds of happening than Shelley.

Not really. If I counterwagon on the townie between TGP/Bulge, there is 0 shot we save brooks.

No I mean try to solve each of them. And my argument is that because of the obvious risk from mpov, pushing a Shelley wagon was not going to happen. Similar why I wouldn’t vote you if I wasn’t sure.

[Gloria Cleary]

shelly said she thinks brooks is town and then decided to leave her vote there until deadline anyway because she knows she wins d1 with 3 votes on brooks. what world is she town in?

She’s posting elsewhere on site. Yeah, doesn’t seem like she cares very much about this game.

[Gloria Cleary]

@Bulge I made those posts BEFORE the deadline expiration. I’m not sure how to read you but in a game where you 100% know I can’t possibly be aligned with Brooks, you either sr or being suspicious of my wanting to derail a wagon for any other reason than I thought it might flip town, is super pinging. You may just be irrational paranoid town or scum trying to disingenuously shade me for that. I have no idea but if you honestly can’t understand why I’d find that reaction from you hella weird, I honestly don’t know what to tell you.

[Gloria Cleary]

prodge, forgot about this game, will catch up (3 more pages since I last posted )

have we hit deadline?

Votecount 1.6

hellbooks - (3) The Bulge, shellyc, TheGoldenParadox
The Bulge - (1) hellbooks

PookyTheMagicalBear

- (0)
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (0)

Not Voting (1) - Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-19 05:00:00)


Moments later, Gramz was back in one of the tanks, taking a nap. Isis felt confused about what she thought he had seen. There had clearly been a lump in the python's throat.
Then it dawned on her.
She had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the rat.
Then she had seen Dr. Hideyoshi with the feasting python.
But now she was looking at Gramz in a tank.
What if, there were two?
This was a genetics lab, what if cloning had happened?

What if someone had cloned Gramz!?!?!?!?!?!?

According to this yes but Isis has neither extended the deadline or posted a flip, so Idk wtf’s up with that?

[Gloria Cleary]

Spoiler:

hellbooks, you are a

Town Scientist.

This is an open setup, so I am not telling you what this means.
Please confirm your rolename and acknowledge that the mafia has daytalk.

Fucking knew it!

Tell me again @Bulge, @TGP that I was wrong.

[Gloria Cleary]

btw gloria is never scum here unless u guys think gloria and shelly decided to play this weird stalling game where they have a townie at L-1 and just keep trolling us and not voting her for lulz and kicks

I was waiting on another wagon to vote for but with a plurality vote, deadline approaching and pretty zero chance of anything other than a Brooks’ elim what exactly could I do. Neither of Bulge/TGP was interested in voting the other and I couldn’t tell which of you can Shelley was the town or the scum.

What is your take on Shelley tr Bulge and shading TGP?

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m town, one of Bulge/TGP isn’t. We need to figure out which one isn’t and the literally the only two players who even tried to do that were me and flipped town.

[Gloria Cleary]

What is your take on Shelley tr Bulge and shading TGP?

it doesn't matter to me because you are never scum here

I’m town, one of Bulge/TGP isn’t. We need to figure out which one isn’t and the literally the only two players who even tried to do that were me and flipped town.

[Gloria Cleary]

one of TGP/Bulge is pocketed town and the other is scum.

If we elim shelly, we go to you/me are locktown - with 2 elims and bulge/tgp can both be flipped

Why can’t I die in that case? but yeah Shelley coming back and voting post-deadline doesn’t look great.

@mod, when did Shelley get the prod, before or after deadline expired?

I’m leaning Pooky town but feel safer in trying to figure out who’s scum in TGP/Bulge but I don’t understand why we’re not doing that?

We could have you know actually maybe saved Brooks if someone other than me or her was actually trying to do that. If Bulge still tries to shade me for trying to stop Brooks’ wagon, I swear I will vote him.

[Gloria Cleary]

Why can’t I die in that case? but yeah Shelley coming back and voting post-deadline doesn’t look great.

how can you die?

this is a nightless game

they dont get to shoot us

Have you read the setup? If we lim in you/Shelley and it’s wrong I mean. Like I said, I’m leaning on you town but if we hadn’t have elimed Brooks, I’d have another townie to help solve this. You keep saying Shelley is confidcum isn’t helping me because fmpov, I’m still not sure and whichever one of you is town needs to help me sort the scum between TGP and Bulge and I can’t do it alone. Brooks was literally the only one helping to try to do this.

[Gloria Cleary]

i mean your paranoia regarding gloria

i have seen scum WK townies and I wouldn't say gloria = "almost conftown"

Where was Pooky paranoing on me? How tf am I not “almost confitown”?

[Gloria Cleary]

I did read the setup.

After shelly flips red we don't need to sort between TGP and Bulge because we have enough eliminations to get them both. As long as YOU are town we win this game.

Yes I usually try to derail town wagons as scum because I’m super into gamethrowing.

[Gloria Cleary]

If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is

the very first elimination

, the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.

Is it only the first? So, it’s no longer a concern?

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria you dont have to defend yourself to shelly

she is trying to muddy the waters

There have only been two players attempting to shade my attempts to derail Brooks’ wagon: Bulge and Shelley.

Could this be the actual team?

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria you dont have to defend yourself to shelly

she is trying to muddy the waters

There have only been two players attempting to shade my attempts to derail Brooks’ wagon: Bulge and Shelley.

Could this be the actual team?

I want bragging rights if this turns out to be the case.

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria you dont have to defend yourself to shelly

she is trying to muddy the waters

There have only been two players attempting to shade my attempts to derail Brooks’ wagon: Bulge and Shelley.

Could this be the actual team?

I want bragging rights if this turns out to be the case.

However, I might possibly be being unfair to Bulge because Idk if he will still shade me post-flip but if he does, than I will have my answer.

[Gloria Cleary]

How tf am I not “almost confitown”?

im not TMI'd unlike pooky, I consider the possibility of a scum!you world unlike pooky, its implausible not impossible. your defense of hellbooks was based off

Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town

which is pretty vague.

p-edit go eat your hat you will not have bragging rights

I was obvtown to you pre-Brooks flip, now I’m not, seriously?

[Gloria Cleary]

im not convincing people gloria is scum its kinda clear that she is my strongest TR here.

I'm convincing people that you are TMI'd

I was literally the only one other than of course Brooks and Pooky trying to stop the wagon but I’m still paranoid on him because he didn’t try to help solve TGP/Bulge but fmpov you calling his read on me tmi really doesn’t make much logical sense.

[Gloria Cleary]

I was obvtown to you pre-Brooks flip, now I’m not, seriously?

uh... no?

you are still townread just I wouldn't call you "near conftown" in lylo

[Gloria Cleary]

Let's say you are town in some fantasy universe far far away. You know I'm confirmed scum, you think this interaction between me and gloria looks like scum theater?

This is a first. I’m pretty much the only one trying to stop an elim on town and my town equity actually goes down? What will you crazy kids come up with next?

[Gloria Cleary]

like its wild how disconnected from reality scum-shelly's reads are

Her downgrading her read on me instead of the converse isn’t exactly filling me with warm fuzzy feels,

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria you've avoided answering my questions and elaborating on why you did a 180 on hellbooks. Why aren't you acknowledging the possibility that you were doing it for town cred? if pooky is town then it's worked, you've pocketed him. you didn't do anything serious to stop the hellbooks wagon or try to convince us to vote elsewhere, only to "re-evaluate", and it's all looking very performative the more I reread it.

Your whole play since halfway through yesterday has been about causing a fuss about the hellbooks wagon going through, but why would you refuse to explain yourself if you really wanted me off the wagon? why would you ignore my questions?

You know that this isn’t true. Wtf did you expect me to do here? We needed 4 - count ‘em - 4 votes to get the wagon off of Brooks and the fact that you are pushing me over TGP is extremely telling because you know that TGP is an easier miselim than me.

You’re progression on my slot has been hella weird. You not only refused to reacess Brooks but you shaded me for trying to stop her wagon. TGP has been extremely transparent and there’s a damn good reason Brooks voted you over them. “Careful” is what she called you iirc.

I also like TGP unhesitatingly voting you here and defending me. That is very clearly townie behaviour. I still am not honestly sure who is scum between Pooky and Shelley but you are the scummiest player here with your ridiculous push on me, so we still can win this even if we don’t figure that out today. As far as I’m concerned, whomever is town between them dropped the ball and I’m leaning Pooky because I don’t understand why town!Shelley leaves her vote on a slot she thinks is town. That said, I’m much more confident on scum!you because TGP just obvtowned.

VOTE: Bulge

[Gloria Cleary]

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

i think bulge's play has been waaay more careful so im inclined to think that's scummy but its hard also omg look at us!!!

Brooks is seriously so obvtown here. @Brooks, What do you think? I’m leaning TGP over Bulge but we can find this out pretty easily.

i think bulge's play has been waaay more careful so im inclined to think that's scummy but its hard also omg look at us!!!

i wanted to elaborate on this: playing carefully is something i would expect from a flagbearer

[Gloria Cleary]

gloria u should unvote because if you're wrong we lose here

bulge is an idiot but he's not 100% scum - the right play for the scum between tgp/bulge is to vote the other and try to pocket you.

I don’t know for sure Shelley is scum and you were opposed to voting Bulge on D1, when you hard tr Brooks? Why?

Scum doesn’t want me anywhere near Elo. Do you think scum!TGP would be this ridiculous? TGP knows they have 0 chance against me in Elo, that’s why Bulge wants to get me out of the way but isn’t voting me.

He isn’t even remotely suspicious of TGP. Only me. Wtf does that tell you?

[Gloria Cleary]

UNVOTE:

For now but if Bulge doesn’t town tf up and convince me it’s not him, my vote’s going right back on him.

[Gloria Cleary]

shelly is against you being town, so it makes sense for her scumbuddy to try to pocket you and vote the person she has pocketed. if they both go against you it's like auto-loss for scum if the townie changes his mind.

Pooky, if you are the town between you and Shelley, you seriously need to open your eyes. Why isn’t town!Bulge pushing TGP at all? Why is he only shading the one slot besides dead town who actually tried to do fuck all? Like this isn’t rocket science but fine.

My reads are obviously good here. I was right on Brooks and Brooks thought it was Bulge too. TGP has really good tone as well, where as Bulge seems super sketchy. He isn’t even pretending to fucking reacess me.

Shelley isn’t even pushing me here, she just isn’t confitowning me, so I’m extremely worried that maybe Bulge is your buddy because he hasn’t done a damn thing townie but whatever.

[Gloria Cleary]

Gloria this IS ELO. If we elim wrong we lose unless we hit the adrenaline person and then we get another shot.

Can you explain this to me?

[Gloria Cleary]

like bulge should know its 100% not you by this point because TGP's vote is on him. If it was Gloria-Scum, you would just vote him with whoever is scum between me/shelly and win the game.

That’s my goddamned point. He has said absolutely nothing about TGP at all and instead of trying to re-evaluate Brooks, he shades me for trying to stop her wagon. In what world does this ever come from a townie mindset?

TGP is obvious town and Idk how you’re not seeing that but I unvoted because it’s Elo and it’s possible - extremely unlikely though imo - that I could bd wrong here but very much doubt it - because Bulge’s tone is seriously off where as TGP’s is extremely transparent. I really don’t understand how you’re not seeing this?

[Gloria Cleary]

if we eliminate wrong today we lose unless we hit a vengeful right?

You mean mafia scientist or what Brooks called “Flagbearer”?

[Gloria Cleary]

gloria, where are you at on pooky/shelly atm?

Idk and as Brooks pointed out, neither of them tried to shift the wagon to either you or Bulge, so I honestly can’t tell yet.

Pooky suspects you most on D1 but doesn’t want to push you only Shelley and Idk now. Shelley being online and leaving her vote on a slot she claimed to tl and only unvote post-deadline looks pretty bad.

What frustrates me is that both he and Shelley seem to act like the uninformed amongst us - two now - are supposed to auto agree with their scumreads on the other but from my and the other townie that isn’t the one between them - how are we supposed to be that confident?

Gth, I think it’s Bulge/Shelley because something about Pooky’s tone strikes me as townie, so I’m very sure I won’t be voting him today.

[Gloria Cleary]

However Shelley’s tone isn’t terrible, actually only Bulge seems off and somewhat disconnected but I’m liking Pooky more than Shelley but I feel the worst about Bulge.

[Gloria Cleary]

That’s my goddamned point. He has said absolutely nothing about TGP at all and instead of trying to re-evaluate Brooks, he shades me for trying to stop her wagon. In what world does this ever come from a townie mindset?

TGP is obvious town and Idk how you’re not seeing that but I unvoted because it’s Elo and it’s possible - extremely unlikely though imo - that I could bd wrong here but very much doubt it - because Bulge’s tone is seriously off where as TGP’s is extremely transparent. I really don’t understand how you’re not seeing this?

Gloria you know today TGP v Bulge is 1v1.

TGP knows today is 1v1 TGP v Bulge.

But Bulge doesn't know it.

Why doesn't bulge know it?

If you think I'm scum with bulge dont you think I tell him what the game state is?

If you think shelly is scum with bulge, don't you think shelly tells him what the game state is?

Bulge not knowing where the game state is, means its likely he is just completely clueless/lost - which is more likely of townie than scum at this point.

No offence but most of this is just wifom, Bulge sounds really off to me. Why wouldn’t he push me today? If he can get me miselimed, he has a much easier time taking out TGP. So sorry, I don’t find any of this persuasive.

[Gloria Cleary]

they need to fool one of us to win Gloria.

So it makes sense they would be taking separate approaches to the game.

I'm all in on shelly

Shelly is all in on me.

TGP is all in on bulge.

that's how the game state is right now.

1 scum in me/shelly

1 scum in TGP/Bulge

I think Bulge might just be the clueless dude who's been pocketed and apparently completely lost. because nothing he's done this game makes any sense. Shelly also town-read him so it makes sense to me that was pocketing.

Like continuing with more suspicion on you today when you are in the driver's seat and making the decision is super clueless behavior and I would think if he is partnered to shelly that she would tell him to not play so stupid.

You will be the deciding vote today.

Read Shelley’s opening post. Who was her vote on before she switched it to TGP. Also, do you really think scum!TGP would really be that obvious and hard tr Shelley right off the bat and vote you? They haven’t even tried to remotely distance from each other except for iirc Shelley did shade them?

I completely disagree with this analysis but I’ll hold off voting for now.

[Gloria Cleary]

if you get mis-elim'd the game is over Gloria.

and I don't see how any1 thought you could get mis-elim'd today? that's just a completely wrong read of the game state.

Where I am rn: You are my strongest tr and Bulge is my most confident scumread but I think your read is wrong. I don’t see why you’re so certain that scum!Bulge couldn’t be pushing on me.

That’s where I’m at. I think you’re misreading the gamestate but we have time. There’s no need to rush this.

[Gloria Cleary]

I and all members of my faction that are known to me and I to them, VOTE: The Bulge and win the game.

[Gloria Cleary]

I feel like scum!gloria doesnt push against confirmed scum!pooky like that and gloria sounds pretty inquisitive so far.
Disagree with TGP sounding townie though.

VOTE: the bulge this is better.

TGP why do you think a Bulge vote is *better?* instead of scummy, etc.

i did not read that pedit

bulge we are mindmelding

VOTE: hellbooks lets go speedwagon

bulgeeeeeeeeeeee

i think im roughly at town -> scum:

gloria
bulge

TGP



hellbooks


pooky

[Gloria Cleary]

that's a bold opener from shelly (heh)

pooky if you're town fypov shelly is scum but also limming shelly scum kills a townie resulting in a conftown (you), two townies, and one maf

hmmmm shelly is wrong about not voting pooky from her pov but i don't know if it's scum wrong or just wrong

I'm not sure how important povs are to consider here. from each of their town!pov, the other is confirmed scum. but it's not like they will automatically ignore the rest of the players' povs, which is that it is probably not optimal to elim between the doctors today.

so like a vote on the other means nothing, because a vote is not an elimination. it's only fishy if one of the clones is actively pushing for the other's elim d1, but even then idk if I'd believe town or scum would be more likely to be tunnel-visioned in that scenario.

I liked these posts from Bulge.

[Gloria Cleary]

hellbooks what do you think of shelly's claim?

thank you that answers my question lol

any thoughts on gloria's lack of setup knowledge?

that said, I don't think gloria is faking here.

Both you and Shelley are masters at deepwolfing

uh, what? lol

tgp did you think gloria was implying they could both be scum? either way, do you have any scumreads? iirc you were the first to suggest limming outside of the two clones.

the townie on your wagon unvotes

this logic implies that shelly is scum (?)

I was specifically referring to either you or Bulge. I’m still not sure on which on Pooky/Shelley yet but Brooks!town looks possibly good for Pooky and possibly bad for Shelley.

So, I’m asking you if you are the town, assuming Brooks flips green, to possibly reacess if you really think she is scum here. I’m kind’ve getting a bad feeling about her flip now and if she’s town, we need to try harder to solve this.

@Bulge, please read, assuming Brooks flips town, if you are the townie (between you and TGP) on her wagon, because I’m having doubts on her flipping scum now.

I'm not sure I follow. are you backing down, or advocating for following through with the lim regardless of expected alignment for info?

bulge
gloria
booky

lets vote shelllly-scum

thx

if you think tgp is the partner, why shouldn't we from our pov elim them first for the chance at instawin and avoid the possibility of instalose?

Because I might be wrong and then Shelly will have upper hand vs me on d2. If we elim Shelly first I am IC tomm

hellbooks is the only unconfirmed player who has left themself open to eliminating within pooky/shelly today

Alright Pooky, I suppose you could be right. I just didn’t see why Bulge would be pushing the most obvtownie in the game but I suppose I could be wrongly hyperfocusing on that.

[Gloria Cleary]

i need to buy groceries for dinner. pls dont quickvote. you gave me heart attack last time lol.

I won’t. I didn’t realize it when I voted.

[Gloria Cleary]

pooky you are confscum and the only reason im not voting you is because the town clone dying actually doesn't put us in such a good position tbh

btw i didnt realise that pooky was confscum before since i completely misread the setup and it confused me a lot

pooky you got lucky with a mislaunchable target, but I'll try

gah.
this makes me townread shelly so hard. "pooky you are confscum", as opposed to opening with "pooky is confscum" feels like a townslip.
that being said. i have scumread town!shelly in i think every game we have played together. Shelly giving me townvibes shouldn't be happening from town shelly. so i'm lost.

VOTE: the bulge this is better.

i'll do setup spec later, but we should probably avoid limming in the dr hideyoshis unless there is a strong consensus townread or scumread on one of the two, because it's an instaloss if we're wrong without a guaranteed win if we're right.

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

UNVOTE:

You under no circumstances should be voting either Pooky or Shelley today or you’re killing a town scientist!

I'm really confident in my shelly tr, so upon pooky flipping red we have a 2/3+ chance of winning
and shelly being the ic considering her reads are quite good is a scenario i'm fine with
that being said, hellbooks is a better lim to end this game d1. VOTE: hellbooks

TGP voting you D1 isn’t good no matter how confident his Shelley read was and I think they would have absolutely elimed you if I hadn’t objected, which makes Bulge’s suspicion on me really strange.

I just don’t know if scum!TGP would really be that obvious.

I probably feel more confident on Pooky!town than Bulge!scum, so I will put my faith in Pooky. He just seems so obviously town here. I think I’m pretty good at reading him.

[Gloria Cleary]

pooky you are confscum and the only reason im not voting you is because the town clone dying actually doesn't put us in such a good position tbh

btw i didnt realise that pooky was confscum before since i completely misread the setup and it confused me a lot

pooky you got lucky with a mislaunchable target, but I'll try

gah.
this makes me townread shelly so hard. "pooky you are confscum", as opposed to opening with "pooky is confscum" feels like a townslip.
that being said. i have scumread town!shelly in i think every game we have played together. Shelly giving me townvibes shouldn't be happening from town shelly. so i'm lost.

VOTE: the bulge this is better.

i'll do setup spec later, but we should probably avoid limming in the dr hideyoshis unless there is a strong consensus townread or scumread on one of the two, because it's an instaloss if we're wrong without a guaranteed win if we're right.

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

synergy with shelly and bulge seems town from both ends

i'm good with hell but tbh i think pooky is a better lim because i'm fairly confident in shelly town

VOTE: pooky

UNVOTE:

You under no circumstances should be voting either Pooky or Shelley today or you’re killing a town scientist!

I'm really confident in my shelly tr, so upon pooky flipping red we have a 2/3+ chance of winning
and shelly being the ic considering her reads are quite good is a scenario i'm fine with
that being said, hellbooks is a better lim to end this game d1. VOTE: hellbooks

TGP voting you D1 isn’t good no matter how confident THEIR Shelley read was and I think they would have absolutely elimed you if I hadn’t objected, which makes Bulge’s suspicion on me really strange.

I just don’t know if scum!TGP would really be that obvious.

I probably feel more confident on Pooky!town than Bulge!scum, so I will put my faith in Pooky. He just seems so obviously town here. I think I’m pretty good at reading him.

[Gloria Cleary]

like bulge should know its 100% not you by this point because TGP's vote is on him. If it was Gloria-Scum, you would just vote him with whoever is scum between me/shelly and win the game.

this is a scumslip, i think

from a neutral pov, basically there are two options for why pooky did not hammer
either pooky is scum with bulge
pooky is scum with gloria or me and knows bulge is adrenaline tweaked
pooky is town and shelly is scum with bulge

either pooky did not acknowledge that bulge could be adrenaline tweaked town because pooky is scum (and knows bulge is not adrenaline tweaked) or because pooky actually forgot, and i think the latter is quite unlikely because they have been on this site for 17 years
and anyways option #2 is laughably unlikely

so i'm town, gloria is near conftown
bulge is therefore near confscum
and between pooky/shelly, pooky is looking a lot more like the scum, especially since shelly apparently loves playing scum but is inactive here and active in other places on site

so i think it's bulge/pooky

Meh Here is my problem with this. Both you and Shelley have accused Pooky of having a tmi read on me for entirely logical reasons. While this is of course not outside the realm of possibility, Pooky’s read on me makes logical sense. Remember flipped town also called me “confitown”.

I still think it’s Shelley/Bulge and that Pooky is wrong town because she was posting elsewhere on site and just left her vote on a slot she was townreading. That looks seriously bad, no matter how you look at it and now she’s positing the possibility of my being a white knight, so she’s either possibly interested playing the good cop to Bulge’s bad cop or she’s pocketing him.

I have no clue how to read Shelley but something pings me town about Pooky.

But Isis answering my Shelley prod question will I think possibly resolve this once and for all. If Shelley intentionally ignored her prod than she’s lying about forgetting about the game, so Isis can clarify that in a heartbeat. She is either telling the truth about forgetting about the game - ergo, she didn’t get the prod in time or she did and she is outright lying about that.

@Isis, please tell us, when did Shelley receive your prod - BEFORE or AFTER the deadline expiration date?

If she received it BEFORE than she’s very likely confiscum here, since she was posting elsewhere on site and left her vote on a slot she townleaned and only unvoted it after it was too late. Otoh, if she received the prod AFTER the deadline expired, than it’s NAI.

[Gloria Cleary]

yea TGP has a much better game-state read than bulge.

today is basically 1v1 between Bulge/TGP and 1v1 between Shelly/Me with Gloria as decider.

I think that's actually more indicative that bulge is Clueless!idiotTown and TGP and shelly planned out how they would play today.

I’m not convinced on that. I do think that you’re likely the town between you and Shelley and if Isis confirms that Shelley got the prod BEFORE the expiration date, I’m locking you in as town. I need a helluva lot more to convince me on your “clueless” Bulge theory though.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not 100% sure on Bulge but I'm 100% sure on Shelly so if we get Shelly we don't need to get the right one between Bulge/TGP.

Well, if Isis confirms that Shelley got the prod before deadline expiration, then she’s confirmed to be lying that she forgot about the game.

In any case, in no world should town leave their vote on a slot they were tl with a plurality eiim. She was literally the only one who tl thar slot and didn’t unvote them. So something is extremely suspicious about that. And this thread ought to be showing up for her even if she didn’t get the prod anyway. So it just looks really bad but especially if she got the prod in time to unvote.

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not 100% sure on Bulge but I'm 100% sure on Shelly so if we get Shelly we don't need to get the right one between Bulge/TGP.

Yeah, I still think I’m right because TGP has much better tone and Bulge seems kind of disconnected somehow but rn leaning Shelley over Bulge but weakly.

I think it’s hella weird that Bulge says absolutely nothing about TGP at all and shaded me. TGP just seems more transparent. I actually disagree with you. If Shelley’s scum and leaning yes, I think she and Bulge could be playing good cop/bad cop gambit wrt me and TGP being this confident on town!me reads very town indicative because scum!TGP knows he can’t win against me, so I think it would be gamethrowing for them to confidently vote out Bulge here. Notice, they aren’t being even remotely hedgey about it so yeah I think I’m right that it is a Shelley/Bulge team. I’m not familiar with any TGP scumgames and I should probably check them out but their tone and level of engagement is so much better. And I have a really hard time believing Shelley doesn’t try to get him to distance more obviously but leaning Shelley since you didn’t want to vote TGP yesterday and now it’s Bulge and you’ve made it abundantly clear you’re never voting me, so I don’t really see the scum mindset in that.

I just need to understand why fmpov a possible Bulge miselim is actually worse than a possibly Shelley one?

[Gloria Cleary]

I'm not 100% sure on Bulge but I'm 100% sure on Shelly so if we get Shelly we don't need to get the right one between Bulge/TGP.

Yeah, I still think I’m right because TGP has much better tone and Bulge seems kind of disconnected somehow but rn leaning Shelley over Bulge but weakly.

I think it’s hella weird that Bulge says absolutely nothing about TGP at all and shaded me. TGP just seems more transparent. I actually disagree with you. If Shelley’s scum and leaning yes, I think she and Bulge could be playing good cop/bad cop gambit wrt me and TGP being this confident on town!me reads very town indicative because scum!TGP knows THEY can’t win against me, so I think it would be gamethrowing for them to confidently vote out Bulge here. Notice, they aren’t being even remotely hedgey about it so yeah I think I’m right that it is a Shelley/Bulge team. I’m not familiar with any TGP scumgames and I should probably check them out but their tone and level of engagement is so much better. And I have a really hard time believing Shelley doesn’t try to get him to distance more obviously but leaning Shelley since you didn’t want to vote TGP yesterday and now it’s Bulge and you’ve made it abundantly clear you’re never voting me, so I don’t really see the scum mindset in that.

I just need to understand why fmpov a possible Bulge miselim is actually worse than a possibly Shelley one?

Sorry TGP.

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be

Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone

. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

@mod how does a D2 vengeful even happen if the player who has it is not informed of it?

[Gloria Cleary]

if the scum team is shelly/tgp - they can win today on elimming bulge if bulge is not vengeful person.

fmpov if we elim shelly there is no way scum team can win.

Because vengeful can take out last scum, right?

I’m just waiting on Isis to answer my prod question but I’m leaning that way now too. If you’re scum, you’d know who has the vengeful and I think you’d be pushing the A - T player because scum!you would absolutely want to take out the non-vengeful.

Yeah, I don’t see how you can possibly be scum here with this mindset. Because if scum!you elims town!Shelley today. the vengeful townie is 100% eliming you tomorrow, so you have to be town here, because if you’re scum, this is suicide.

[Gloria Cleary]

I’m leaning Pooky town

because I am not scum with gloria?
this is a cognitive load slip. scum!you believes gloria-shelly not s/s is enough to justify not scumreading gloria, when it is not true from the other players' pov

Dafuq? Wtf kind of messed up read is this?

Okay Shelley just beat Bulge here for whack dafuq post of the entire game.

Are you still tr Shelley @TGP?

[Gloria Cleary]

If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.

If we elim shelly now - the creator person doesn't commit suicide. so we have 4 alive tommorrow and 2 eliminations to kill TGP/Bulge and win with me/you.

Yeah. this makes so much sense.

[Gloria Cleary]

How tf am I not “almost confitown”?

im not TMI'd unlike pooky, I consider the possibility of a scum!you world unlike pooky, its implausible not impossible. your defense of hellbooks was based off

Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town

which is pretty vague.

p-edit

go eat your hat you will not have bragging rights

Did you just locktown me with this post?

You don’t ever make this post to anyone you aren’t obvtown reading.

[Gloria Cleary]

How tf am I not “almost confitown”?

im not TMI'd unlike pooky, I consider the possibility of a scum!you world unlike pooky, its implausible not impossible. your defense of hellbooks was based off

Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town

which is pretty vague.

p-edit

go eat your hat you will not have bragging rights

Did you just locktown me with this post?

You don’t ever make this post to anyone you aren’t obvtown reading.

And on what part Shelley? You or Bulge?

[Gloria Cleary]

@Isis, when did Shelley receive her first prod, BEFORE or AFTER the D1 deadline expiration date?

[Gloria Cleary]

Dr. Hideyoshi's clone

Dr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1

Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1

Mafia Clone Scientist

1

Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3

Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be

Adrenaline-Tweaked

, and a Town Scientist to be

Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone

. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.

• If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  
• If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  
• If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
  Adrenaline-Tweaked
  player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
  Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
  gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).

@mod how does a D2 vengeful even happen if the player who has it is not informed of it?

not the mod but they are informed after they are eliminated

Yes, so unlike on D1 where this was reversed, the safest course of action is to elim whomever you think is scum between Pooky or Shelley and it makes absolutely no sense for scum!Pooky to push Shelley elim here because town!vengeful just kills him tomorrow.

But if Isis confirms Shelley received the prod prior to deadline, then she is confirmed to be lying about forgetting about this game since I know for a fact she was online posting elsewhere.

Check her posts at the time closer to the deadline because everytime someone posts, this thread goes to the top of the “view your posts” thread, so I really don’t understand how it’s possible to be posting elsewhere online and forget about this game.

[Gloria Cleary]

pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose

Explain this? This was true for D1 but it’s reversed for D2.

[Gloria Cleary]

also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town

Why? Do you agree or not agree that if Bulge isn’t the vengeful we lose?

[Gloria Cleary]

pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose

Explain this? This was true for D1 but it’s reversed for D2.

i thought that only a town scientist could be adrenaline tweaked

They can also be town creator too, which should be fairly obvious now, because Brooks didn’t flip either.

[Gloria Cleary]

also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town

Why? Do you agree or not agree that if Bulge isn’t the vengeful we lose?

bulge is just scum so bulge can't be the vengeful

But fmpov, we lose the game today if he isn’t scum. It’s the converse of D1.

[Gloria Cleary]

if we elim shelly we win the game regardless of which one of TGP/Bulge is the other scum.

Just for the sake of covering all bases fmpov. While I do think you’re very likely town, what would hypothetically happen if we miselimed town!Shelley here?

Sorry but I need to ask this obviously.

[Gloria Cleary]

from your pov
if bulge is not scum
if bulge is not adrenaline tweaked
we lose correct

but bulge is MUCH more likely to be scum than either shelly or pooky

That’s why I need to understand which elim is fmpov the most likely to be the town losing one if wrong.

[Gloria Cleary]

we can't miselim shelly town because shelly is scum.

if we were to mis-elim a town player who is not "vengeful" we will lose the game.

Please answer the question fmpov hypothetically, what would happen if Shelley were town miselim?

I need to know this especially if Isis tells me she only received the prod AFTER the D1 expiration deadline.

[Gloria Cleary]

we can't miselim shelly town because shelly is scum.

if we were to mis-elim a town player who is not "vengeful" we will lose the game.

So fmpov, any town miselim is equally bad, right?

[Gloria Cleary]

@Isis, when did Shelley receive her first prod, BEFORE or AFTER the D1 deadline expiration date?

Isis can possibly confiscum Shelley if her answer proves she’s lying about forgetting about the game. Because if she received the prod before deadline, she’s proven to be lying and we can’t get this kind of proof on any other player.

[Gloria Cleary]

ok :3

Not that receiving if after makes her town. It’s still pretty sketchy that she left her vote on a player she townleaned, in a game with a plurality elim then just conveniently “forgot about the game” and then unvoted after the deadline had already passed.

Pooky’s reaction to this only increases my tr on him. I think scum!him would be arguing this. @TGP, how is leaving your vote on a player you townlean in a game with a plurality elim mechanic, then conveniently unvoting post-expiration and claiming you forgot about the game less “scummy” then whatever reasons you’re possibly scumreading Pooky for?

[Gloria Cleary]

Votecount 2.2

The Bulge - (1) TheGoldenParadox

PookyTheMagicalBear

- (1) shellyc
Gloria Cleary - (0)

shellyc

- (1) PookyTheMagicalBear
TheGoldenParadox - (0)

Not Voting (2) - The Bulge, Gloria Cleary

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2020-11-26 02:00:00)

"Isis, a few questions have been asked."
He left the message on her voicemail.
Normally Hectic would answer them himself, but he was just a technician here, and not only that, but an ANGRY one...
What if his rage got the better of him? He just couldn't risk it.

[Gloria Cleary]

I still don't think gloria is conf fmpov if shelly is the partner and was not online, but I think it's unlikely gloria would throw down the second vote on the wagon without waiting for her partner. the only thing that's not possible in this scenario is a pooky/gloria team.

VOTE: tgp

@Isis, when did Shelley receive her first prod, BEFORE or AFTER the D1 deadline expiration date?

Isis can possibly confiscum Shelley if her answer proves she’s lying about forgetting about the game. Because if she received the prod before deadline, she’s proven to be lying and we can’t get this kind of proof on any other player.

[Gloria Cleary]

R u trolling

+1

@Bulge,
If you’re town here, do you literally not understand the setup? There is no bussing ffs! If Shelley is my buddy, my pushing her loses us the game.

Are you scum or just punking me? Serious question.

[Gloria Cleary]

do you not remember the quick hammer rule @bulge

if gloria were scum and you aren't adrenaline tweaked she could just use the all members of my faction thing and win

I’m still not sure how that even works

[Gloria Cleary]

oh what the hell

i thought shelly was doing an original bit with that opener hahahahaha

ok yes sry Gloria

That’s one of the reasons I think she’s scum. Claims to not understand the setup but does that?

[Gloria Cleary]

The Day 2 Vengeful receives a PM informing them they have 48 hours to choose a vengekill, after they've been eliminated. They are still not informed of why they are being asked to make this choice.
Players do not show whether they are Adrenaline-Tweaked or the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's clone when they flip.
Shellyc was due for a prod before the deadline, however because I was asleep, she received it after the deadline.

This is extremely frustrating.

If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the Adrenaline-Tweaked player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the Adrenaline-Tweaked player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.

So we have no idea if Brooks was either. So for all we know she could be neither?

This really muddies things up considerably. :/

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i appreciate you gloria.

Where is my Pookybear?

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I still don't think gloria is conf fmpov if shelly is the partner and was not online, but I think it's unlikely gloria would throw down the second vote on the wagon without waiting for her partner. the only thing that's not possible in this scenario is a pooky/gloria team.

VOTE: tgp

oh what the hell

i thought shelly was doing an original bit with that opener hahahahaha

ok yes sry Gloria

I’m leaning town now on Bulge, especially if Shelley is scum here, which I lean to rn.

I think Bulge’s straightforward apology minus any defensiveness looks townie and I seriously cannot imagine any world where possible scum!Shelley tells buddy Bulge to even suggest such a narrative.

Pooky panicking over my Bulge vote doesn’t really make sense if he’s scum here.

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Shelley is very obviously avoiding this game. She continues to post elsewhere onsite.

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I very likely wouldn’t avoid this game as scum - im sure all of you know that I have a clear preference for the red alignment

You were just scum in Death Curse. I think if I had rolled scum in two games back to back. I’d not be terribly active.

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bulge is scum w/ pooky

just sheep

pooky doesn't bus flagbearer!TGP

Dafuq? Did you just scumclaim? You just called both Bulge and TGP scum?

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bulge is scum w/ pooky

just sheep

pooky doesn't bus flagbearer!TGP

Dafuq? Did you just scumclaim? You just called both Bulge and TGP scum?

VOTE: Shelley

This isn’t a townie thought here ever, not in a game where there’s only two scum.

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Sorry Gloria!! <3

You know I’m never going to trust you again, right?

Sorry Shelley, TGP. I guess I misread her posts.

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Can’t wait for Shelley, TGP and Brooks to rightfully scream at me.

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for what it's worth, Shelly did play incredibly scummy by voting brooks, putting her at E-1 and then just awoling for 3 days or w/e.

I would say it's mostly her fault :3 You did incredibly well for your position in the game.

Thanks. You guys totally deserved the win and I know I’m being a brat. :/

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scream at you? why! you played very well and obvtowned yourself by d2, you were the victim of an unfortunately good pocket by pooky
side note on that pooky might be the most underestimated player on this site

<3

Thanks, I still feel bad though. I wish you had listened to me on Brooks and Shelley hadn’t have left her vote on her, because we still would have had a shot. Oh well.

I did think Bulge was off and his sr on me for trying to stop Brooks’ wagon made zero sense coming from town and you obvtowning me was extremely town indicative but then a scum teddy got into my head and turned my brain into swiss cheese.

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Sorry Gloria!! <3

You know I’m never going to trust you again, right?

Sorry Shelley, TGP. I guess I misread her posts.

I think you will learn how to read me by heart - you are so emotionally strong <3

How? You totally fooled me and at a hard gut level too and that doesn’t happen very often.

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nuh uh you played lights out - you resisted being pocketed even when I was the only one here talking to you :3

I felt like we were the only two playing at times :>

Well yeah, that certainly didn’t help. It’s not like town had a MUSH to help us figure things out.

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nooooo gloria you played well, our wincon from decently early was to win you over (obviously I didn't get that memo until later lol)

That in a nutshell is why I feel so shitty.

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I hope nobody ever actually underestimates pooky

Yeah, never ever again. If I’m fooled by scum but it’s not at a deep gut level it’s different and with Noraa, she made Death Curse so extremely enjoyable I wouldn’t have cared. Like I’m obviously glad I won that but what Noraa did for me in that game totally overrode any negative feelings I could have ever had about it. Plus, I think I have a way of parsing her, I thnk?

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you just didn't see the rule that bulge getting elimd d2 is an auto-loss for scum, so you couldn't understand why I panick'd when you voted him :3

Yeah I didn’t. I’m not upset that I lost so much as I was completely fooled at a deep gut level and I shouldn’t have sheeped Bulge without waiting for TGP. I was just so confident that Shelley was scum. :/

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Gg, Pooky and Bulge very much deserved this win and I’m sorry for raining on your parade.

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bulge is scum w/ pooky

just sheep

pooky doesn't bus flagbearer!TGP

Dafuq? Did you just scumclaim? You just called both Bulge and TGP scum?

lol when did i call both scum in this post

That’s how it read to me, obviously I misread. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

u played gr8 gloria dw. loved playing w u. would do again. gg every1. i am hell books

Thank you so much. Hope we get another chance to do it again and next time, town actually listens to me.