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Post Post #425 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:39 pm

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In post 423, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if the scum team is shelly/tgp - they can win today on elimming bulge if bulge is not vengeful person.

fmpov if we elim shelly there is no way scum team can win.
Because vengeful can take out last scum, right?

I’m just waiting on Isis to answer my prod question but I’m leaning that way now too. If you’re scum, you’d know who has the vengeful and I think you’d be pushing the A - T player because scum!you would absolutely want to take out the non-vengeful.

Yeah, I don’t see how you can possibly be scum here with this mindset. Because if scum!you elims town!Shelley today. the vengeful townie is 100% eliming you tomorrow, so you have to be town here, because if you’re scum, this is suicide.
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Post Post #426 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:45 pm

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In post 342, shellyc wrote:
In post 335, Gloria Cleary wrote:I’m leaning Pooky town
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because I am not scum with gloria?
this is a cognitive load slip. scum!you believes gloria-shelly not s/s is enough to justify not scumreading gloria, when it is not true from the other players' pov
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Dafuq? Wtf kind of messed up read is this?

Okay Shelley just beat Bulge here for whack dafuq post of the entire game.

Are you still tr Shelley @TGP?
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Post Post #427 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:48 pm

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In post 348, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
In post 349, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If we elim shelly now - the creator person doesn't commit suicide. so we have 4 alive tommorrow and 2 eliminations to kill TGP/Bulge and win with me/you.
Yeah. this makes so much sense.
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Post Post #428 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:51 pm

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In post 359, shellyc wrote:
In post 347, Gloria Cleary wrote:How tf am I not “almost confitown”?
im not TMI'd unlike pooky, I consider the possibility of a scum!you world unlike pooky, its implausible not impossible. your defense of hellbooks was based off
In post 216, Gloria Cleary wrote:Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town
which is pretty vague.

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go eat your hat you will not have bragging rights
Did you just locktown me with this post?

You don’t ever make this post to anyone you aren’t obvtown reading.
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Post Post #429 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:54 pm

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In post 428, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 359, shellyc wrote:
In post 347, Gloria Cleary wrote:How tf am I not “almost confitown”?
im not TMI'd unlike pooky, I consider the possibility of a scum!you world unlike pooky, its implausible not impossible. your defense of hellbooks was based off
In post 216, Gloria Cleary wrote:Her reactions to likely getting elimed. They didn’t sound scummy to me, they sounded like doomed town
which is pretty vague.

p-edit
go eat your hat you will not have bragging rights
Did you just locktown me with this post?

You don’t ever make this post to anyone you aren’t obvtown reading.
And on what part Shelley? You or Bulge?
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Post Post #430 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:06 pm

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@Isis, when did Shelley receive her first prod, BEFORE or AFTER the D1 deadline expiration date?
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Post Post #431 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:09 pm

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In post 424, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 1, Isis wrote:
Dr. Hideyoshi's cloneDr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

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Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

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Mafia Clone Scientist

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Town Dr. Hideyoshi

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Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be
Adrenaline-Tweaked
, and a Town Scientist to be
Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.
  • If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
    Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
    becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  • If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  • If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
    Adrenaline-Tweaked
    player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
    Adrenaline-Tweaked
    player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
    Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
    gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.


The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).
@mod how does a D2 vengeful even happen if the player who has it is not informed of it?
not the mod but they are informed after they are eliminated
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Post Post #432 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:12 pm

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pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose
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Post Post #433 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:12 pm

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also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town
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Post Post #434 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:14 pm

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In post 432, TheGoldenParadox wrote:limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose
????

any town player can be vengeful

shelly is not vengeful tho because shelly is scum
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Post Post #435 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:20 pm

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In post 431, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 424, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 1, Isis wrote:
Dr. Hideyoshi's cloneDr. Hideyoshi has been a respectable leader in the genetics lab for years, but something has gone wrong.

1
Mafia Clone of Dr. Hideyoshi

1
Mafia Clone Scientist

1
Town Dr. Hideyoshi

3
Town Scientist

From the start of the game, the mod reveals which players look like Dr. Hideyoshi.
There is only night zero. During Night zero, the mafia chooses a town player to be
Adrenaline-Tweaked
, and a Town Scientist to be
Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
. They must be different. Those town players are not informed.
  • If someone who looks like Dr. Hideyoshi is the very first elimination, the
    Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
    becomes remorseful and eliminates themselves.
  • If the Mafia Clone Scientist is the very first elimination, the most seditious scientist doesn't get to do enough whispering, and everyone realizes having two Dr. Hideyoshis can just be a chill thing actually and town wins.
  • If a Town Scientist is the very first elimination, the
    Adrenaline-Tweaked
    player gains Day 2 Vengeful. However, if the
    Adrenaline-Tweaked
    player is themselves the player who was the very first elimination, the
    Creator of Dr. Hideyoshi's Clone
    gains Day 2 Vengeful instead. The player is not informed that they have gained Vengeful.


The game uses a parity win condition (checked after venges resolve).
@mod how does a D2 vengeful even happen if the player who has it is not informed of it?
not the mod but they are informed after they are eliminated
Yes, so unlike on D1 where this was reversed, the safest course of action is to elim whomever you think is scum between Pooky or Shelley and it makes absolutely no sense for scum!Pooky to push Shelley elim here because town!vengeful just kills him tomorrow.

But if Isis confirms Shelley received the prod prior to deadline, then she is confirmed to be lying about forgetting about this game since I know for a fact she was online posting elsewhere.

Check her posts at the time closer to the deadline because everytime someone posts, this thread goes to the top of the “view your posts” thread, so I really don’t understand how it’s possible to be posting elsewhere online and forget about this game.
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Post Post #436 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:22 pm

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In post 432, TheGoldenParadox wrote:pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose
Explain this? This was true for D1 but it’s reversed for D2.
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Post Post #437 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:22 pm

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oh okay pooky is correct any town player can be adrenaline tweaked


interesting this is some wifom shit
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Post Post #438 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:22 pm

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In post 436, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 432, TheGoldenParadox wrote:pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose
Explain this? This was true for D1 but it’s reversed for D2.
i thought that only a town scientist could be adrenaline tweaked
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Post Post #439 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:23 pm

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TGP protecting shelly mad hard here
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Post Post #440 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:25 pm

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In post 433, TheGoldenParadox wrote:also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town
Why? Do you agree or not agree that if Bulge isn’t the vengeful we lose?
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Post Post #441 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:27 pm

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In post 440, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 433, TheGoldenParadox wrote:also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town
Why? Do you agree or not agree that if Bulge isn’t the vengeful we lose?
bulge is just scum so bulge can't be the vengeful
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Post Post #442 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:27 pm

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In post 438, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 436, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 432, TheGoldenParadox wrote:pooky is wrong and they are experienced enough that they should know they are wrong from every other pov

limming shelly is strictly worse than limming bulge because if bulge is town they might be vengeful but if shelly is town we lose
Explain this? This was true for D1 but it’s reversed for D2.
i thought that only a town scientist could be adrenaline tweaked
They can also be town creator too, which should be fairly obvious now, because Brooks didn’t flip either.
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Post Post #443 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:28 pm

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@mod
do town creator and adrenaline tweaked flip as such
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Post Post #444 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:29 pm

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In post 441, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 440, Gloria Cleary wrote:
In post 433, TheGoldenParadox wrote:also @gloria no i'm not townreading shelly much anymore but i'm scumreading pooky quite hard so shelly has to be town
Why? Do you agree or not agree that if Bulge isn’t the vengeful we lose?
bulge is just scum so bulge can't be the vengeful
But fmpov, we lose the game today if he isn’t scum. It’s the converse of D1.
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Post Post #445 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:30 pm

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if we elim shelly we win the game regardless of which one of TGP/Bulge is the other scum.
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Post Post #446 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:32 pm

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from your pov
if bulge is not scum
if bulge is not adrenaline tweaked
we lose correct

but bulge is MUCH more likely to be scum than either shelly or pooky
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Post Post #447 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:34 pm

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In post 445, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if we elim shelly we win the game regardless of which one of TGP/Bulge is the other scum.
Just for the sake of covering all bases fmpov. While I do think you’re very likely town, what would hypothetically happen if we miselimed town!Shelley here?

Sorry but I need to ask this obviously.
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Post Post #448 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:35 pm

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we can't miselim shelly town because shelly is scum.

if we were to mis-elim a town player who is not "vengeful" we will lose the game.
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Post Post #449 (ISO) » Fri Nov 20, 2020 1:37 pm

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In post 446, TheGoldenParadox wrote:from your pov
if bulge is not scum
if bulge is not adrenaline tweaked
we lose correct

but bulge is MUCH more likely to be scum than either shelly or pooky
That’s why I need to understand which elim is fmpov the most likely to be the town losing one if wrong.

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