Micro 981 | Chain of Command 2004 Camry Edition | Game Over!

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VOTE: kookie

"always reading me wrong" is a scummy opening.

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hot take????? dostin is aligned with the town.

agree with this take

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i think datisi is town here. he's insanely nervous/anxious as scum from my knowledge and he seems much more relaxed

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VOTE: bugspray

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hi ico :^)

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Let's start here.

VOTE: Dostin

Tonally awkward and over-explainy on P1. Content with being TLed with actually delving into why someone would think that after only a couple of posts.

i feel like this read while it's rationed out correctly and you seem town for it, is wrong because of reasons i may not talk about

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Let's start here.

VOTE: Dostin

Tonally awkward and over-explainy on P1. Content with being TLed with actually delving into why someone would think that after only a couple of posts.

i feel like this read while it's rationed out correctly and you seem town for it, is wrong because of reasons i may not talk about

Okay, talk to me about it in general terms though, without being too specific. Is it just something they usually do? Like a playstyle habit?

Sure, okay. I'm not really talking about them specifically, but things along these lines (awkward/overexplainy) in my experience are usually newbtown.

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Second Question: Why was my post townie to you?

That vote struck me as incredibly genuine, and the logic behind it seems organic, not something scum would make up even though I don't agree with the logic. That read on your post is also augmented by things I can't talk about.

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@tgp, mind answering this at least?

yeah, my reasoning was similar to yours but it was closer to just gut for me. dustin immediately strikes me as newbtown in the way that they ask questions: essentially, I see what uncrowned sees (awkward/over-explainy) as towntells, not scumtells.

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VOTE: datisi
He knows I'm town and feels guilty about having to fake sr my beautiful innocent soul

i-
this is a painfully obvious scum response and dats switching off after this is something we need to come back to if bugs flips red

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The vibe is the same lazy scum vibe that you have when you're scum. It's not based off of one post but that one post triggered a SR from a previous null scumlean
-norbear

oh hm this is terrible

i still think bugs is scum but this is just contriving nonexistent meta out of thin air

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i mean my two cents are that datisi/noraa is tvs
i have a townread on dats, so i think bugs and kookie are the scumteam

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TGP do you think Datisi isn't all that capable of changing his behavior when he is scum? Since that seems to be what you're basing your TR on?

I'm townreading dats on play, but I townread scum!him on play pretty solidly so i don't think I can rely too much on that. I think that the level of panic and agitation he displayed as scum was genuine, especially considering it was a notes pt, and it isn't something that he can turn around that quickly.

Town!you would be more like "Gosh Noraa why are you so scummy" and actually talk to me. Scum!you will try to gaslight me and shade me big time. My mafia skills are inferior to yours and thats clear but you never use that against me when you are town.

who the fuck are you

excuse me, just *who* the fuck are you?

who the fuck do you think you are to be like "well you see, town!datisi would've reacted like *that* and scum!datisi would've reacted like *this*"??? like, you replaced into ONE game with me where i was town, which was past 200 pages and 2 months at that point, we were in it (at the same time) for *less than a week*, AND i was a literal mod-confirmed innocent child. and i'm playing differently here than i was there and you're immediately connecting that to alignment as opposed to, i don't fucking know, the game circumstances being one hundred percent different? you think you know anything about my town play from that one single game where you saw me play for less than a week???

dats, i get your frustration, but this is overly harsh.

IAmAUsername's vote is pretty believable, I think. The reasoning is surface level but we are early game. However I don't believe Kookie was pushing for the PL. It seemed more like an attempt at actual discussion even if it was kinda gross.

it wasn't the PL suggestion that i found scummy so much as the post afterwards. it felt way too concerned about the possibility that they were going to come under suspicion for the original post.

anyway, moving on from that now, because the kookie/Datisi fight is looking pretty TvT to me. Uncrowned summed up my thoughts well in 173 i think.

Dostin casing of Datisi/Bugs teaming is a real stretch to the point where it doesn't feel organic in the slightest.

also agreeing with this. i'm vibing a lot with Uncrowned, he's solidly town i think.
actually, it specifically reads to me like dostin knows bugspray is scum and is searching for reasons to tie Datisi to them, which is wild. i kind of doubt it's that easy, but i'm definitely feeling a

VOTE: dostin

right now.

hm. i see it in the exact opposite way from you - if bugs is scum, dostin is likely scum, but i tr dostin on play and vastly prefer a bugs flip here.

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ico what do you think about bugs

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this is such a fucking shite thing to wake up to

this sentence has me feeling scum dats hmm

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i'm still incredibly uneasy on the dostin wagon, and still feel bugs is the better lim today. hm.

iaaun, definitely resting scumface. i only have a single scumgame post-hiatus and i died n1, so i don't think you'll be able to meta me in that way.

i honestly just have a terrible feeling on the dostin wagon because they feel exactly like newbtown/lhf

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let's see what happens VOTE: dostin e-1

terrible vote

like this is horrible, any way dostin flips

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For someone who is adamant about needing "evidence" your reads are manufactured and have no backing behind them. You hand out TRs to people and then give minimal reasoning as to why they're town. The other time you were asked for reads, your SRs were Me (who has been directly pushing against you) and then on two slots that were inactive at the time and couldn't engage with you at all. Again, with nothing behind the reads.

You can't even keep your style consistent. For someone all about the evidence, you're severely lacking it when giving your "totally not BS 100% legitimate townreads"

I'm happy to flip this once Ari has completed catching up.

When was I handing out townreads? I said not a lot of people looked scummy to me. You and Datisi who I think are both scum forced me to give reasons for that when I didn't have any reasons in the first place. This all feels like one big trap.

okay, i'm convinced.

intent dostin

, but i will wait until ari catches up.

i was townreading you quite hard, but this post threw me because the logic is so... convoluted. "you and datisi who i think are both scum forced me" so you're saying both scum are trying to "trap" you together, and you're scumreading two of the most active and solvey slots in the game just because they're pressuring you? this is a scumpost, and iaaun is correct that this slot has tons of partner equity with bugs.

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tgp what is my alignment in this game

town from play. scum from votes/wagon movement. i am getting more of the panicky vibes from you that you displayed in random facts, but it's not to an extent where i feel i can read you for it anyways. i need to reevaluate, my vote will stay where it is for now.

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this wagon movement is wack and i'm liking the kookie wagon much more than the dats one hm

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wagon hopping isn't scummy inherently, but the way datisi did it looked highly opportunistic, more like he was panicking and trying to find the best counterwagon to himself. i need to think more on dats.

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(expired on 2020-11-20 21:16:31) i will fucking hammer

VOTE: kookie

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we are a RBer.

like this is just "oh okay let me wait until i can consult with my fellow scumbuddies to claim"

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that hammer won't be a good look if you flip town

lmao

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Golden and Datisi die tomorrow.

another scumslip but you're hammered already so it doesn't matter does it

if this flips scum like i believe it will, datisi and i are conftown

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btw, if it so happens that this is red and i die, don't give tgp too much credit for that scumflip. or like, any. i saw the fencesitting on me while i was still a viable cw.

i'm still fencesitting on you
like i've reevaluated my reads several times this game but generally just come to the same conclusions
bugs and kookie are scum - i swapped kookie with dostin there for a bit but yeah

everyone else except ari is just town or at least a townlean

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though hammering a buddy right as they're gonna claim when you can lurk it out... yeah that's more masochistic than it needs to be i think...

datisi if kookie flips scum do you really see me as the scumbuddy

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bugs didn't lie on anything they simply said that they will hammer in one hour

you cannot use your night action on anyone, that is not how this game works

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It was really mean.

i cannot, noraa. it was MEAN?

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It was really mean.

i cannot, noraa. it was MEAN?

STFU what do I gain from twilight trolling when I'm already dead?

the same thing... every scum gets? sowing confusion and discord?

it's so hilarious that you're calling my hammer mean. please get over yourself and stop acting like a child.

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honestly, even if this flips town, it's a +town execution

if this flips town, dats is scum

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to be faiiiir, tgp, it was a bit uncalled for. i'd ask you why you did it, but i'm sure you'll have plent of oppotunity to explain yourself tomorrow.

i will have plenty of time

the tldr is that i thought the hammer was better for town than waiting and letting another wagon dissolve but this time on someone i quite scumread

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VOTE: kookie

"always reading me wrong" is a scummy opening.

i mean my two cents are that datisi/noraa is tvs
i have a townread on dats, so i think bugs and kookie are the scumteam

this wagon movement is wack and i'm liking the kookie wagon much more than the dats one hm

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why was bugs the nk?? i'm so confused

VOTE: datisi i'm confident this flips red based on interactions with kookie + wagons + his opening post today which is terrible

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ok cool my reads were utter trash yesterday let's try again

considering how the game is going right now, giving yourself a way to quickly turn your reads on their head is convenient.

one mislim before lylo. do we claim today?

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i'm really not feeling this game, so i'll scumcase datisi tomorrow.

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okay okay i have finished hw so i'll do it now

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apologies i was writing this but got interrupted so here it is

hot take????? dostin is aligned with the town.

initially townread this post, but honestly after looking at it with the benefit of being able to look at his future posts, i feel like this post is forced-casual and forced-jokey instead of actually so.

The vibe is the same lazy scum vibe that you have when you're scum. It's not based off of one post but that one post triggered a SR from a previous null scumlean
-norbear

sAmE LaZy ScUm ViBe

played one town game with me for like 3 days, apparently a pro at my meta already

no sorry i don't fucking buy it at all

especially considering tgp called me town earlier (because of the same game we've played in) and you didn't give a damn to actually engage them over it

and like "that one post triggered a scumread from previous scumlean" for being "less engaged and less explain-y" when (1) in that very same post i'm doing things and (2) what kinda fucking explantion did you imagine town!me would've written there?

and why was it previously a null scumlean?

this being overly triggered when being called scum is NORMALLY a towntell, but in this situation with this context it makes almost no sense - an extreme reaction to a bad meta-based read that looks much worse considering kookie flipped green

fuck me for giving in to my curiosity and checkign this game again hahahaHAHAA

VOTE: kookiemonster

no you will die now i don't care
you have given up your life privileges

"hey look datisi is the same as last game lol scum!!!"
*puts in one random quote from last game that has absolutely nothing to do with anything that's going on*
*explains absolutely nothing about how that quote is supposed to prove anything*
*doesn't interact with me because I wIlL mAkE hEr LoOk BaD*
"hey look guys datisi is different from last game that must mean he is purposefully changing his meta lol scum!!"

thanks for not interacting with anything i said (: thanks (: not acknowledging how shit of a read you had on me in haunted village (: is gonna be a real good look on you (:

ay yo ico are you feeling the scumtisi vibe??? are you FEELING it??????

"hey monster what's your read on me"
"BUDDYING MY PARTNER"
l m f a o do you know what buddying means???? i don't think you do????????

*random post that tgp made at me*
"lol look partner equity!! i am gamesolving!!!"

*random +town point for me*
"look i have nuanced reads!! i am not of the informed minority at all!!"

there's two scum in kookie/bugs/dostin and if there isn't then we've already lost ggwp

again looking at this from town!kookie, the entire post screams datisi!scum being tunneled correctly instead of frustrated town. it doesn't look real, and i feel like that points even more to scumtisi

ico, gun to head, dostin town or scum? i'm rereading his posts and i don't ever know what to think anymore

dats's read progression on dostin feels really weird here and looks a lot more "scum trying to secure a mislim"

VOTE: dostin

this *should* be E-2

i have a horrible gut feeling there's gonna be a lolhammer for some reason
like i don't know why but i do, please thread carefully, *especially* if bugs is off the wagon (as they (probably) are atm)

UNVOTE:
VOTE: kookie

VOTE: bugspray

considering both pr and officer, it's likely he's just... gonna die. and even if he's scum, him being alive restricts scum's nightkill choices.

VOTE: ico

whatever. i understand.

VOTE: bugs

oh boy, i can't wait to get scumread for this suspiciously timed vote change!

VOTE: kookie

and now we get to this, which is maybe the worst vote progression i've seen of all time, again looking at this after bugs and kookie have both flipped green. like, the movement here, the thought process, and the succeeding "oh changing your vote isn't scummy" doesn't feel natural or townie to me at all, and i absolutely hate every part of this vote movement. essentially, this voting does not show any intent of trying to scumhunt or sort - it looks like datisi finding the easiest miselimination wagon, and voting in an incredibly erratic way to do so.

alternatively, i'm getting a feeling the dragon might be aligned with the mafia. and i really really do not like it.

Ohey, we agree lol
See, this is good shit!

is... is this a bad time to point out i've completely changed my mind there by now?

further weird posting from datisi, who moves his reads up and down faster than a yoyo. i don't understand at all datisi's thought processes behind his votes, i don't understand where he is coming from with his scumreads, i don't understand why he makes the votes and the posts that he does, and that lack of transparency and attempting to work together feels like it is coming from scum.

that's fine. the deadline will justify it, and george will tell us what your role was anyway.

how is this a townpost? in any way, shape, or form? scum's job is to find PRs and secure miseliminations, and both of those motivations shine clear in this post.

nah, i'm not going anywhere.

tgp might, tho. that hammer won't be a good look if you flip town.

honestly, i absolutely hate this. you pushed the most on a kookie wagon from what i recall, and it just feels like you were creating a nice path out for yourself when (like you knew they would) kookie flipped town

honestly, even if this flips town, it's a +town execution. a derptunneled player who's not solving anyone outside their tunnel and is refusing to explain things or listen to reason is massively anti-town. *and* we (probably) get a free scumkill in the form of their lolhammerer. or a speed-ticket to a painful 5p lylo. either one.

not scumclaiming in twillight actually has distinct value here, since the captain has to send in orders during the day, but something tells me you didn't know that...

why am i even typing it's 2 am...

see above. datisi's ENTIRE post-twilight interactions were trying to get out of the kookie wagon and get a free miselimination on me today on the way out.

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Dostin imo still had a super scummy D1 and uhh... I'm kind of confused about why you'd obey an order to protect Datisi? Didn't you SR him hard?

what's the advantage to disobeying
either datisi is town, in which case it allows a possible NK on towntisi, or datisi is scum, in which case he wouldn't be NKed anyway.

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yeah no i'm thinking about it and you and iaaun are right that i'm confbiased

UNVOTE: need to think this through

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okay i am back with piping hot reads
i think i literally just used things that were generally town to be scum for datisi for ??? reasons so i think i'm back to my townread of datisi
dostin and uncrowned are still pretty town, for the same reasons
iaaun is still a bit of a question mark because of their low posts but i have a townlean on them because their few posts are incredibly content rich and explain their reasoning well

so that leaves VOTE: ico and ari, the former of whom seems weirdly scum for the aggression dats pointed out and then 880 and 881 look like bad distancing attempts

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i haven't actually changed that many reads, and yeah i think it was just reevaluation
i mean it wasn't as much of a progression as me realizing how confbiased i was, reading my own post, and realizing it was just me saying "this is normally town but scum for dats" when it was just town i think

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bussing... ico? you think my interactions with ico are scumpartnery? lmao

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i'm an ensign, but like uncrowned said, it doesn't matter :/

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yessir

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do you have scum!TGP meta? is it known that they aren't solvey/don't like playing the alignment?

i far prefer playing scum and am probably better at it
but yeah the only scumgame i have after hiatus is boardgames and a 4p wnaf

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i mean i'm just resigned at this point
i'll be eliminated for the loss and ari is scum but no idea out of {user/dats}

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ok i'm again looking at tgp's recent posting history on the site and surely, *surely* town doesn't just lay down and fucking die? in lylo? without even trying???

VOTE: ari
i'm like, done
if this gets quickhammered gg

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UNVOTE: jk i need a sec

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yeahhhh okay VOTE: ari

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alright so ari has to be scum

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what if i just... voted iaaun and prayed for not a quickhammer

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who oh who is ari's scumpartner

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can i just.... assume datisi is town hm hm hm

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Looking forward to a case, TGP!

I think your hammer was very scummy but that doesn't make you outright scum. I'm holding my vote for the moment, but I'd like to see what you've got for us

UGHHHH ARI WHY ARE ALL YOUR INTERACTIONS IN THIS FUCKING GAME WITH DATISI I DON'T KNOW IF THIS MAKES HIM YOUR BUDDY OR CONFTOWN

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VOTE: aristophanes

Datisi!!!

It's because I'm first name on the VC and you're jelly innit

I thought the first couple votes on this site are supposed to be random to kick off the discussion. Doesn't choosing from a list ruin the whole point?

Nah, it's just as random a reason as any. Plus, it's not a confirmed reason, I'm merely speculating and joking about it

hot take????? dostin is aligned with the town.

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uncrowned can't be ari's partner, right? right.

VOTE: datisi

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like, if this gets quick hammered, i'm really sorry dats

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VOTE: aristophanes

Datisi!!!

It's because I'm first name on the VC and you're jelly innit

I thought the first couple votes on this site are supposed to be random to kick off the discussion. Doesn't choosing from a list ruin the whole point?

Nah, it's just as random a reason as any. Plus, it's not a confirmed reason, I'm merely speculating and joking about it

hot take????? dostin is aligned with the town.

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ari/dostin, can you two talk reads?

Sure, have you got questions for me or nah?

who are your townreads, who are your scumreads, and why? :upside_down_emoji:

XD
Okay I should have expected that tbh.

dostin gets to be town for now. I was thinking about the lack of game-mechanics knowledge in the last few posts and really I don't think scum would allow a scummate to be this uneducated about their role and how it works. Plus, the nature of the role means we may find out sooner than later and I'm willing to let that go.

TGP scum based on that hammer. I think they are by far the best Elim for today and we should be hitting scum there.

Datisi town. I mean, I made this case yesterday and I don't see Datisi killing Bugs, plus posting today has been good.

Icon could go either way and Imma have to read that better to give a proper answer here.

I forget that Username and Uncrowned exist most of the time? I suppose that's 2 nulls but I should probably give them a deepdive too and get an actual answer here.

Hooooooly ninja's

yeahhhh datisi is the partner

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i'm like, genuinely sorry for my lack of interest in this game. it was just ridiculously unfun but i think i got the scumteam now

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user, uncrowned, do you see this team glaring out to you when you reread ari's iso? he only interacts with datisi, putting him as town for weakish reasons while being nullish on everyone else

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here is what datisi did:
they did the entire "oH sCuM mUsT bE oFfIcEr" knowing that officer scum was really just them and there would be little suspicion on them

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i can point out every problematic interaction between ari and datisi looking at it with this lens but iaaun and uncrowned PLEASE look at it and tell me that this isn't the scumteam

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no it wasn't :/ and it wasn't a lolhammer either, really

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i'm really disappointed in myself here and i apologize to the rest of the town, i sat there and lied down when i should have been trying and i realized that too late