jester irl
VOTE: Wisdom
who doesn’t love Daria?In post 21, Gamma Emerald wrote:No I just get the reference because I watched that show with my mother because she watched it as it aired and then got the box set.In post 20, Wisdom wrote:do you know who mystik is?
I read that as if you knew X was making an alt and used a different name for their alt than you expected
In post 40, Bingle wrote:Nah uh, I popcorned to an Irish guy. Clearly there’s nothing specifically related to the US involved.
Yeah, so we’re in a halfway between two different setups, which is interesting. I think I’m leaning
VOTE: cakez
18 sounds like not jester.
idk, it seems a little too obvious. like he’s almost baiting people to vote him.In post 18, SirCakez wrote:I am the ultimate jester i always get limmed regardless of alignment muahaha
he’s either town or jester. i doubt he’s scum, so agree.In post 51, Bingle wrote:What?In post 44, Wisdom wrote:Maybe I switched plans
Like, if you're Jester then your plan is definitely to play it straight, because you're playing it straight. If you're not Jester, then switching plans would be irrelevant because you wouldn't be playing to a Jester plan.
Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.
your initial post didn’t sound particularly townie.In post 62, SirCakez wrote:whatIn post 48, Mystik Spiral wrote:what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.
anyone else get possible lamisty vibes from this?In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?
In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someone
that wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
In post 29, Wisdom wrote:Mystik why the vote change?
imaginality
In post 89, imaginality wrote:How does that explain why you voted Gamma?In post 86, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?
i explained why I unvoted Wisdom. both were rvs votes but i switched because i like Wisdom’s response.In post 90, imaginality wrote:Since Wisdom's comment was responding to SirCakez rather than Gamma it can't be that.
In post 86, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?
also you’re now moving the goalposts. first you falsely accuse me of dodging W’s question which i clearly didn’t do and now you’re trying to shade me for my Gamma vote.In post 88, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 29, Wisdom wrote:Mystik why the vote change?imaginality
how did you miss this?
but that wasn’t how you phrased it. you didn’t actually say Mystic only answered the unvoting Wisdom part of it. you framed it as a straight up dodging of the question and considering both were rvs votes, i do find that suspicious.In post 93, imaginality wrote:I didn't make an issue of this? I asked why you hadn't answered, you said you had, I pointed out it wasn't an answer to the question Wisdom asked, which you have now answered.In post 91, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 89, imaginality wrote:How does that explain why you voted Gamma?In post 86, Mystik Spiral wrote:imaginality, why are you saying i didn’t answer Wisdom’s question when i clearly did?i explained why I unvoted Wisdom. both were rvs votes but i switched because i like Wisdom’s response.In post 90, imaginality wrote:Since Wisdom's comment was responding to SirCakez rather than Gamma it can't be that.
VOTE: imaginality
i really don’t like how you’re making such an issue of this, considering that neither Wisdom or Gamma did.
Not shifting the goalposts - 31 isn't an answer. It was half an answer at most. Why was it scummy of me to ask for the full answer?
Lol at you voting me over this
I obviously didn’t. And I’m fine with keeping my vote on you.In post 95, imaginality wrote:"considering both were rvs votes"
Youknew that. We didn't. (Or I didn't, at least. Maybe others can read your mind as to whether your vote on Gamma was also RVS or had a reason behind it?)
Now you've explained it as I requested we can all move on to more important questions.Like why you overreacted to my question.
how am i being lamist exactly?In post 118, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.In post 117, Wisdom wrote:Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town
no, this doesn’t answer my question, i want to know specifically what about my posting do you read as lamist?In post 118, LicketyQuickety wrote:Yes, for sure. But I expect Jester to want to look Town in a way that is bad LAMIST. Not blatantly Townie, which is something they can do fairly easily because they don't have TMI.In post 117, Wisdom wrote:Scum tries to look like town
So jester tries to look like scum who tries to look like town
oh this post but you still don’t really explain it. i want to know what takes are “off-center” and what makes me “bad town”?In post 107, LicketyQuickety wrote:I thought I was replacing into a Scum slot. I wasn't.
Is this underground enough for you?
The difficult part about this game is we can't just form a PoE of Town and be good because Jester can act like mock-Town. Not a good strategy for Jester, but I can see Jester act just enough like Town to make it look like they are trying to LAMIST but just lay it on thick.
Based on how the game is going so far, I think we just Lim Scummy people. I have like 3 jester reads at this point: Cakes, Image, Mystik.
I had Mystic and Wisdom as Jester reads but then ISO'd to make sure and I reevaluated.
TRs on Wisdom, Meg, and Bingle, but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around. This could just be a bad take though, IDK.
Wisdom's 27 is not really fakable, so I'm willing to call this lack of TMI. I don't think this is the sort of thing Scum will fake. Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game.
I like 68 from Meg. Blatantly saying they think their post is Townie seems cocky. IDK if Meg has the stones for that sort of thing as Mafia.
Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might justactuallybe LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.
On the second ISO of Mystik, I can see them as Jester. They seem to have some takes just off-center enough to make it look like they are bad Town - enough that it looks like they are Scum. If you're Town, then just take it as me not wanting to Lim you.
That just leaves Clemency. So I guess I will go there since they have no content yet.
VOTE: Clemency
yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?In post 125, LicketyQuickety wrote:How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.In post 87, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someonethat wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
/Atlas Shrugged.
that was my read of one single post. i’m not calling you scum, i’m actually leaning to jester or town right now. it’s not a confident read either way. i currently feel the best about Bingle.In post 126, MegAzumarill wrote:My point is that if you think I am scum actively going for towncred, it's incongruent with my play.In post 87, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someonethat wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
you’re townread his sig? are you trolling us with this?In post 131, LicketyQuickety wrote:Oh, I just saw Bingle's sig. Feeling more like they are Town then. (As if I wasn't reading them as Town before, but, yup.)
didn’t you think i was the jester? i thought his reaction to my vote wasn’t jestery.In post 139, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.In post 138, Mystik Spiral wrote:yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?In post 125, LicketyQuickety wrote:How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.In post 87, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someonethat wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
/Atlas Shrugged.
i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?
uh yeah, scum does that all the time, if it’s deliberate. if accidental it could be town but seriously, what a weird take.In post 140, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.
i thought he seemed not too happy that i didn’t unvote him.In post 146, LicketyQuickety wrote:Admittedly, my eyes kinda glazed over in your back and forth.In post 144, Mystik Spiral wrote:didn’t you think i was the jester? i thought his reaction to my vote wasn’t jestery.In post 139, LicketyQuickety wrote:I'm saying I don't get why you are not considering it, yes.In post 138, Mystik Spiral wrote:yes, of course I’m doing that. how does my getting pinged by imaginality translate to my not looking for the jester?In post 125, LicketyQuickety wrote:How does it ping you, for example? Are you looking for the Jester at all? I sorta feel like you are not.In post 87, Mystik Spiral wrote:In post 81, MegAzumarill wrote:Imagine thinking someone is looking for towncred when they are openly sheeping someonethat wasn’t why, it was this post but i don’t like imaginality’s misrepping me, so that pings me.In post 12, MegAzumarill wrote:Nvm we get a third shot because plurality
Although jester could still kingmaker which socks
Conclusion: Elim scum d1 d2
/Atlas Shrugged.
i already explained the reasons why when I voted. are you saying you think imaginality could be the jester?
and shouldn’t your primary focus be on trying to find who’s scum?
What about their reaction did you think wasn't Jestery?
i didn’t like the way he kept trying to justify the initial misrep, it read like backpedaling to me. it definitely didn’t read townie to me.In post 147, LicketyQuickety wrote:Scum kinda wants to not get caught with their pants down, is what I'm saying.In post 145, Mystik Spiral wrote:uh yeah, scum does that all the time, if it’s deliberate. if accidental it could be town but seriously, what a weird take.In post 140, LicketyQuickety wrote:Because your read is based on a misrep. Do you think Scum likes to misrep people? Because I don't.
convince me imaginality’s jester then and i’ll unvote him.In post 148, LicketyQuickety wrote:Sure, you want to find Scum but like, the game is 2 Scum, 1 Jester, and 5 Town.
If you get it wrong, then the game is over. Kinda makes me want to be careful.
nothing more than that i didn’t townread your opening post. i like your subsequent posts a little more.In post 158, SirCakez wrote:ok and what's your point?In post 66, Mystik Spiral wrote:your initial post didn’t sound particularly townie.In post 62, SirCakez wrote:whatIn post 48, Mystik Spiral wrote:what’s odd is that cakez is the only one trying to sound unlike town, so he’s probably not town, so we probably either kill scum or lose with his lim.I don't understand how you could have this read on me
you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.In post 155, imaginality wrote:Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.
why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.In post 168, Bingle wrote:Good thing you said that, I was about to quickhammer.
It’s worth noting that I will be policy quickhammering in this setup.
UNVOTE:In post 162, SirCakez wrote:this post is another reason to vote Bingle - I don't think this vote comes from town BingleIn post 133, Bingle wrote:In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.In post 51, Bingle wrote:Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.
OTOH:
VOTE: LQ
Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.
but what do you make of that post? policy quickhammering is the most likely thing to make us lose this game. especially until the jester is flushed out/day 4 right?In post 175, MegAzumarill wrote:Well obviously we don't quickhammer if they are already self voting but otherwise jester will self hammer anyway
because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?In post 177, Wisdom wrote:I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle
that’s why we should be careful about putting anyone to e-1 unless we’re extremely confident they can’t be jester.
imaginality, are you going to respond to this?In post 173, Mystik Spiral wrote:you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.In post 155, imaginality wrote:Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.
it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?
In post 183, Wisdom wrote:Yes but youre dodging the point
Once someone is at e-1 why is it bad to quickhammer them?
did you miss my point here? we shouldn’t be quickhammering anything unless we’re confident they can’t be jester.In post 181, Mystik Spiral wrote:because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?In post 177, Wisdom wrote:I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle
what am i not comprehending?In post 186, Wisdom wrote:So mystik is either jester or unable to comprehend
Did i mention i wish i knew who it was an alt of?
so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.In post 96, imaginality wrote:Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer
what other reasons?In post 193, SirCakez wrote:Yeah thisIn post 188, Wisdom wrote:Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?
I don't understand what Mystik is not getting
Seems jestery
I SR Bingle for other reasons
oh okay, i think i get it now. wrt what Meg said, i’d actually think jester wouldn’t be so obvious as to try that but you never know.In post 195, Bingle wrote:If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.In post 174, Mystik Spiral wrote:why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.
Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.
why? if you’re going to die anyway, then you obviously wouldn’t need to self-hammer. who tf cares about “wasting time” unless it’s near deadline?In post 202, Bingle wrote:I mean… not selfhammering when you’re obviously going to die is just wasting time, but really the takeaway is that e-2 is actually e-1.
i still don’t like imaginality. he shouldn’t be having that reaction to my response wrt to Wisdom’s question. i don’t think he’s town but jester is possible. ugh.In post 209, LicketyQuickety wrote:I am considering you could be Town. I said that more or less.In post 173, Mystik Spiral wrote:it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?
you really want me to vote you don’t you, otherwise why keep pushing this inane bullshit? hmmmmmIn post 214, imaginality wrote:Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.In post 191, Mystik Spiral wrote:so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.In post 96, imaginality wrote:Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer
you really want me to vote you don’t you, otherwise why keep pushing this inane bullshit? hmmmmmIn post 214, imaginality wrote:Exactly this. You seem smart enough that I don't believe you don't understand my point (that you in fact didn't answer the question from my perspective of why vote Gamma, while I admit your post #31 did answer the question from your perspective of why you stopped voting Wisdom) so I believe you continuing to argue I'm misrepping you is disingenuous.In post 191, Mystik Spiral wrote:so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.In post 96, imaginality wrote:Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer
In post 72, Bingle wrote:@all: Is this a slip or a fakeslip?In post 46, Gamma Emerald wrote:iirc jester doesn’t endgame in this but I think it’s good to get a refresh
In post 73, Gamma Emerald wrote:What does it tell you if it’s real?
In post 74, Bingle wrote:Not knowing how jester works implies not being jester. Faking it implies the exact opposite. Frankly I’m more interested in how other people react than how you do though.
so i decided to look at Gamma’s jester “slip” and i’m going to assume that jester isn’t very likely to replace out, so i don’t think lq is jester.In post 77, Wisdom wrote:More likely jester than not
In post 63, Gamma Emerald wrote:Wisdom feels slightly town, that’s my first read
In post 71, Gamma Emerald wrote:His positions feel pretty nuanced rn
the entire ISO doesn’t feel scummy to me.In post 73, Gamma Emerald wrote:What does it tell you if it’s real?
In post 220, imaginality wrote:Mystikyou asked mewhat I thought was disingenuous. I answered. That is not 'pushing'. I was the one who said it was a dumb disagreement we should move on from!
You keep confusing me with these posts. Why?In post 221, imaginality wrote:How should my answer to your question have been different because you unvoted me versus if you still had your vote on me?In post 218, Mystik Spiral wrote:town!imaginality would take into account that i unvoted him but he ignores it.
To my mind it's either:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ. I see you've unvoted me but that was because you were thinking of voting Bingle and you later still said I'm not town so it seems like your views on me haven't changed."
Or if you hadn't unvoted:
"I think you're being disingenuous because XYZ."
Same answer to your question in either case.
could we actually be getting somewhere then? Am I wrong about you? you posts confuse me so much. okay, what makes you think Meg is scum here as opposed to town or jester?In post 228, imaginality wrote:I agree with you on Gamma/LQ's slot being town btw