Micro 1033: XD [Game Over]

[MegAzumarill]

Well obviously we don't quickhammer if they are already self voting but otherwise jester will self hammer anyway

[Mystik Spiral]

Regardless, my takeaway here is Wisdom never dies before D4.

In the game Shirley, You Jest (a variant of Jester Nightless with moar Jester) Wisdom won as the third Jester limmed by playing as town as possible. It is not only a good theoretical strategy, it's a proven one I have first hand experience with. Me being uber town is not a reason to say I'm not Jest.

OTOH:

VOTE: LQ

Jester hunting in lieu of scumhunting is a pretty good reason for me to think you're maf.

this post is another reason to vote Bingle - I don't think this vote comes from town Bingle

UNVOTE:

i will seriously consider this.

[Wisdom]

I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle

[Mystik Spiral]

Well obviously we don't quickhammer if they are already self voting but otherwise jester will self hammer anyway

but what do you make of that post? policy quickhammering is the most likely thing to make us lose this game. especially until the jester is flushed out/day 4 right?

[Wisdom]

How does it make us lose
The jester will selfhammer anyway

[imaginality]

Lean town:
Cakez

I don't understand how you could have this read on me

Post #64 sounded like it had genuine intent behind it. Trying to sort, expressing willingness to prod at people to do so. So I don't think you're scum. And purely subjectively I personally doubt jester calls themselves jester in their first post.

[Mystik Spiral]

I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle

because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?

[Mystik Spiral]

How does it make us lose
The jester will selfhammer anyway

that’s why we should be careful about putting anyone to e-1 unless we’re extremely confident they can’t be jester.

[Wisdom]

Yes but youre dodging the point

Once someone is at e-1 why is it bad to quickhammer them?

[Mystik Spiral]

Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.

you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.

it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

imaginality, are you going to respond to this?

[Mystik Spiral]

Yes but youre dodging the point

Once someone is at e-1 why is it bad to quickhammer them?

I dont understand why that made you dislike bingle

because policy quickhammering in this setup could make us lose. the troubling word here is “policy”. quickhammering because you’re confident you’ve hit scum is fine but don’t you find that at all concerning?

did you miss my point here? we shouldn’t be quickhammering anything unless we’re confident they can’t be jester.

[Wisdom]

So mystik is either jester or unable to comprehend

Did i mention i wish i knew who it was an alt of?

[Mystik Spiral]

So mystik is either jester or unable to comprehend

Did i mention i wish i knew who it was an alt of?

what am i not comprehending?

[Wisdom]

Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?

[imaginality]

Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?

I can see why Cakez/Mystik might think it's bad but not gonna put words in their mouths.

Also I have a theory about why Bingle has that policy. Not gonna say that either though.

[imaginality]

Sorry yes that last sentence wasn't clear. I meant I'm wondering if you're the jester, fishing for votes on you by hoping to irk me into voting you an make others think you're scum and vote you.

you are correct that nothing about my play makes any sense if i’m scum here and that’s all you’re actually right about.

it concerns me that neither you or lq are even considering the fact that i could be town here, so why is that?

imaginality, are you going to respond to this?

It was less than an hour ago you posted that so hold your horses. If you're expecting me to consistently reply to stuff that quickly you're going to be disappointed. It's 10am here, if I didn't have today off work you'd be waiting even longer.

But to answer: I am considering the fact you could be town. If I was 100% convinced you're not town I'd either be voting you or very loudly telling everyone you're jester.

For the record, I actually started out with our disagreement thinking there was a decent chance it could just be TvT but after I pointed out it was a semantic disagreement (in post 96) your subsequent posts about it (#115, #150) seem less genuine.

Could be tunnelled stubborn town but could also be scum or jester trying to look scummy.

[Mystik Spiral]

Giving benefit of the doubt I can see that you might have interpreted "why the vote change" as "why did you stop voting me(Wisdom)" whereas I interpreted it as "why are you now voting Gamma and no longer voting Wisdom". It doesn't seem as natural a reading but it is plausible. So I don't see your 31 as scummy but neither is me asking for the other half of the answer

so what is disingenuous about my reaction? i’m still not convinced you actually did think i dodged Wisdom’s question because fmpov, it seemed pretty obvious i didn’t do that.

[SirCakez]

Good thing you said that, I was about to quickhammer.

It’s worth noting that I will be policy quickhammering in this setup.

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

lost my Bingle townread. :/

Join my wagon

[SirCakez]

Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?

Yeah this
I don't understand what Mystik is not getting
Seems jestery

I SR Bingle for other reasons

[Mystik Spiral]

Bingle didnt encourage putting people at E-1
He said he will quickhammer whoever is at E-1
Which the jester will do anyway if we put them there
So what's wrong with it?

Yeah this
I don't understand what Mystik is not getting
Seems jestery

I SR Bingle for other reasons

what other reasons?

i’m really lmao at all the jester reads, i only wish that were the case.

[Bingle]

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.

Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.

[Bingle]

Also I have a theory about why Bingle has that policy. Not gonna say that either though.

Nah. It's a Jester Nightless policy. I had it the first time I played Jester Nightless. I will have it the next time I play Jester Nightless. It just makes sense.

[Bingle]

Although, iirc I was scum the first time I played Jester nightless. I lolcatted into a sweep with shos and Wis was the mod, I think.

[Clemency]

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

[Mystik Spiral]

why? in this kind of setup, policy quickhammering is what could make us lose.

If a player is L-1 and not voting themselves, we've already lost if they're the jester. If they're town, they're likely to selfhammer to prevent losing to the jester. The only people who have no motivation to selfhammer are, in fact, mafia. So either I cut down time to what will already happen (a selfhammer) or I get to hammer mafia. It's like literally the only setup where quickhammering doesn't have drawbacks.

Also, Meg is correct that we obviously shouldn't qh someone who is already on their own wagon, but I don't see it as likely that someone will already be on their own wagon.

oh okay, i think i get it now. wrt what Meg said, i’d actually think jester wouldn’t be so obvious as to try that but you never know.