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I still don't get it but I absolutely do not see the harm so count me in, if you're wanna do that.In post 31, Radical Rat wrote:
The idea is if anyone claims Jester, they're a relatively safe choice for a D1 lim. Jester has a reason to claim, or at least one or two of them might, because we would eliminate them.In post 26, WINfried wrote:I'm wondering why anyone would have an interest in claiming jester. But I don't see any harm here so I guess we can do that.
Since the whole Jester thing means we have extremely few Townies, it's a hell of a risk to just lim blindly here, whereas this generates an amount of content to inform future eliminations, while avoiding a D1 mislim and instant MeLoJust call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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[unpoke][/unpoke]In post 34, Radical Rat wrote:
I am going to interpret this as Jester Claim #1In post 33, schadd_ wrote:i dont feel like anyone in particular that has posted is town although i did go back and notice that galron was confirmed so that was nice
VOTE: schadd_
[poke]Radical Rat[/poke]
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Me too.In post 66, MegAzumarill wrote: Also I'd like to hardclaim not jester.
If the alternative is town fooling around assuming not to get voted a jester sounds more likely.In post 67, schadd_ wrote:i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get votedJust call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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In post 108, bugspray wrote:
if you're a nontown you help yeet the IC. tomorrow there will be three townies so all nontowns can massclaim (on day 2) and then we form an anti town voting bloc and start doing a cycle of yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet scum -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie and then everyone except town losesIn post 107, AtE wrote:Heyo what up, too many pages for me to read, can someone give me a tl;dr of the game state?
-one of the heads
Bugs is the first not-town here trying to look like he's explicitly jester. I'm leaning towards scum trying to hide as jester there.In post 109, bugspray wrote:btw theres no reason NOT to openwolfJust call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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If we can discern who is more likely to be scum of the two it matters to me a lot. Between NM and bugspray, bugspray seems like a better choice to me currently. I asked you this before and I'm still wondering, why are you even already voting? We haven't even seen all the players yet.In post 131, Radical Rat wrote:VOTE: Not_Mafia
VOTE: bugspray
Doesn't much matter to me Which Jester and/or Scum get their clown scholarship, or at least not who gets one first.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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Literally nothing meg has done has raised eyebrows for me here. Or is this basically "too town to be town" logic?In post 161, Galron wrote:Prove me wrong.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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I might still change my mind if Snow Marty writes an even better application letter for clown college. And I hope this issue is going to be resolved in hours, not days.In post 181, Galron wrote:
Why not vote them?In post 111, WINfried wrote:In post 108, bugspray wrote:
if you're a nontown you help yeet the IC. tomorrow there will be three townies so all nontowns can massclaim (on day 2) and then we form an anti town voting bloc and start doing a cycle of yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet scum -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie -> yeet jester -> nk townie and then everyone except town losesIn post 107, AtE wrote:Heyo what up, too many pages for me to read, can someone give me a tl;dr of the game state?
-one of the heads
Bugs is the first not-town here trying to look like he's explicitly jester. I'm leaning towards scum trying to hide as jester there.In post 109, bugspray wrote:btw theres no reason NOT to openwolfJust call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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I usually don't think about reads beyond what I need for the next decision, but:In post 214, MegAzumarill wrote:Besides bugspray what are your reads?
NM: jester. bugspray unfortunately didn't take my bait, but they somewhat did and that makes me wanna hang them even less.
AtE: probably town. they should give more input here, but i can understand they wait for marty.
shadd: probably town. I really disliked their entry here but since then they give me pretty towny vibes.
you/ratt: undecided, I don't like how both of you don't care too much who goes down today. It only makes sense if you are absolutely certain all of the obvious clown college applicants are jesters, but if that is your stance, you should be advertising for not eliminating ANY of those.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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I'd like to know how these readsIn post 221, MegAzumarill wrote:I hardread shadd as jester
N_M is trolling which is NAI
I think bugspray is scum
can be in harmony with these votes? Why even place a vote on NM if you think bugspray is scum?
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In post 252, bugspray wrote:
mod error occuredIn post 247, Radical Rat wrote:
And this is a lie because the role PM also requires you to confirm the voting rules explicitlyIn post 246, bugspray wrote:I stopped reading at vanilla town and replied confirm vanilla town
jingle this is the greatest game of mafia i ever played and I will make sure to join your next game too.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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Bugspray seems even more obvious today as they did not self hammer yesterday and I really do not think they are town. So, I don't see anything else that could be preferable today really.
I don't think RH9 is town after their entrance yesterday and I am puzzled why both RR and Meg see him as town, what. I mean he hammered NM, when bugspray was at E-1 and actively did not self-hammer. What about that is town?
Assuming bugspray flips scum, town would then be for me:
Me, Galron, AtE, Shadd
Which leaves for not town:
RH9, RR, Meg
RH9 leans into jester, as them voting for NM looked pretty bad, and I think intentionally. This way they got NM eliminated and started to set up their own elimination.
RR leans into scum, I think they clearly don't want to get elimmed but their votes still seem like they don't care much who exactly goes down.
I am getting conflicting signals by Meg. Don't really know where in which camp to put them.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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After their entry, almost all of their posts seem to be driven by town motivation. And as I said before, it wouldn't be the first time some townie did some silly bs after entering the game.
So this was the bad stuff and now just comes a wall of townpings?
+townIn post 55, schadd_ wrote:does like nobody else understand the joy of voting the confirmed town person??? is Nobody upset?? frustrated?? that they don't get to do it because i did it already??
+townIn post 65, schadd_ wrote:ok here's my first good vote
VOTE: radical rat
- so this is a blitz game and it looks like we have a handful of dawdlers in the pl here. everytime you say "poke player" imagine youre poking me in the eye socket/temple to try to give me a headache. anyway if i want to move towards a good execution meaningfully it occurs to me to act fast
- i do think that radical rat voting me was a sign of someone wanting an excuse to get a vote down, which is something that non-town alignments are generally happy to do
- idrc if i end up voting a jester. crack eggs to make an omelette
+townIn post 67, schadd_ wrote:i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted
+townIn post 74, schadd_ wrote:Well i just have the one vote & incidentally i dont believe it was from town
+townIn post 94, schadd_ wrote:idt jesters would do that
+townIn post 88, schadd_ wrote:i dont think not mafia needs to be voted necessarily
+townIn post 114, schadd_ wrote:for now i might place winfried as town
+townIn post 123, schadd_ wrote:i don't see why it is most likely that they are jester
+townIn post 136, schadd_ wrote:the thing about it is that any player is capable of doing some sort of jester-like performance whenever they feel like it. i think a key aspect of bugspray's play here is that they chose to vote galron.
+townIn post 138, schadd_ wrote:was there something that changed your mind about that
+townIn post 169, schadd_ wrote:sooort of neutral on azumarill. i slightly suspect that they arent a jester ?
+townIn post 190, schadd_ wrote:do u have any ideas as to who your partner is
+townIn post 281, schadd_ wrote:id be inclined to think rh9 is one of the several town. which also helps explain the period before the rep in where it felt like everyone that was posting was a wolfJust call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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This looks like you want me to send you to clown college. I tend to not OMGUS vote, but I don't think you know that.In post 495, MegAzumarill wrote: Deadline is approaching and I won't be there near it but votes need to come out ASAP.
VOTE: Winfried
Voting my second highest scumread
This reeks of nervousness of getting eliminated and looks like the opposite.In post 497, MegAzumarill wrote:what happens if the elim threshold would lower and more than one player would be eliminated
Not seeing a straight agenda, maybe you're just town and to be fair, there was only one weird thing you did this game. I'd also feel a little guilty if I eliminated town you, not gonna lie.
Nothing changed on the bugspray slot. Not sure why this doesn't have all the votes yet.
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My hardest townread is still shadd. If I'm wrong about that and they are scum in hiding I'm just screwed I guess.
I don't want to go into endless reverse psychology spirals so I'm just trying to Occam's razor it and go for what seems most plausible to me.
That means the ones most trying to look like town (and aren't shadd) are probably scum. And that's Meg and RR for me. RR has posted a lot of pro-town looking busywork, and Megs displayed reactions to the game state that seemed town to me, while making sensible calls for action, asking players for activity, votes, etc.
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In post 528, RH9 wrote:
I genuinely thought that.In post 527, RH9 wrote:
The part where I thought that N_M was on E-1?In post 526, schadd_ wrote:weird to think that both of the executions so far have been people seeming to do like very obvious jester moves. and i think that regardless of who the last jesters are they've been playing a pretty honest game, which is weird. i think the closest that could come to being untrue is if it's exactly radical rat & ate, the former advancing a pretty plainly pro-scum thingy at the expense of any attempt in particular to solve the game & ate for maybe just playing in an odd and wolfy way
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At this point this feels more like guessing than anything else, but:
And I think RR is trying to attract votes from players who are unlikely to be voted out before they are. That move neither makes sense if they are scum nor if they are town (maybe if they are tilted but I don't believe that). And they have theorycrafted this game so hard and then they just double vote at the start of the day and hope for the best or what? I doubt that is the best strategy they could have come up with.
RR probably has picked up they are one of the prime target for elim by looking at players preferences and hopes to carry it home here. Don't believe it. Meanwhile RH9 and AtE are trying to derp their way out of this game by competing in making the clowniest posts and are my best bet for the scum team currently.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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What is scum indicative in there?In post 648, Radical Rat wrote: It's mostly this post. Like, most of this is completely NAI to me, some even slightly scum indicative, so you putting a bunch of emphasis on how it makes schadd_ town seems like you might be defending your buddy.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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This is the post on shadd with explanations added why I did not think any of the statements were merely NAI, I thought it was pretty obvious especially in context of all the other null- or antitownposting going on in the beginning, but anyhow:
In post 387, WINfried wrote:After their entry, almost all of their posts seem to be driven by town motivation. And as I said before, it wouldn't be the first time some townie did some silly bs after entering the game.
So this was the bad stuff and now just comes a wall of townpings?
+town, because it displays his attachment to his reaction test. They cared about what happened there.In post 55, schadd_ wrote:does like nobody else understand the joy of voting the confirmed town person??? is Nobody upset?? frustrated?? that they don't get to do it because i did it already??
+town, because they are literally trying to sort radical rate here. and them hating my poking is honestly just... an expectable town reaction unfortunately. for some reason townies don't like it when someone tries something that isn't in line with how they want to play.In post 65, schadd_ wrote:ok here's my first good vote
VOTE: radical rat
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- i do think that radical rat voting me was a sign of someone wanting an excuse to get a vote down, which is something that non-town alignments are generally happy to do
- idrc if i end up voting a jester. crack eggs to make an omelette
+town, because they are debating how facts are to be read to correctly sort alignmentsIn post 67, schadd_ wrote:i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted
+town, because they sort the vote Radical Rat casted on them.In post 74, schadd_ wrote:Well i just have the one vote & incidentally i dont believe it was from town
+town, because they are again trying to argue how alignments need to be sorted.In post 94, schadd_ wrote:idt jesters would do that
+town, because they show hesitation against a policy(?) kill and again show their willingness to rather cast a correct vote.In post 88, schadd_ wrote:i dont think not mafia needs to be voted necessarily
+town, general sorting of a slot (also coincidentally correct, but that's beside the point).In post 114, schadd_ wrote:for now i might place winfried as town
+town, because they are caring about and questioning the reads other people make.In post 123, schadd_ wrote:i don't see why it is most likely that they are jester
+town, again, trying to sort a slot.In post 136, schadd_ wrote:the thing about it is that any player is capable of doing some sort of jester-like performance whenever they feel like it. i think a key aspect of bugspray's play here is that they chose to vote galron.
+town, because it is critical questioning of another players change in opinion.In post 138, schadd_ wrote:was there something that changed your mind about that
+town, because they are trying to sort the Meg slot and show genuine looking insecurity about them there.In post 169, schadd_ wrote:sooort of neutral on azumarill. i slightly suspect that they arent a jester ?
+town, because they are fishing for associations here.In post 190, schadd_ wrote:do u have any ideas as to who your partner is
+town, because it is a feeling I can completely mindmeld with, sometimes the entire table just doesn't feel right, and that was especially the case in this gameIn post 281, schadd_ wrote:id be inclined to think rh9 is one of the several town. which also helps explain the period before the rep in where it felt like everyone that was posting was a wolf
... I'd ask you if we're even in the same game if I didn't think you were a jester.In post 710, Radical Rat wrote:Sucks to eliminate Town by accident, but I do still think it put us into a better spot overall
This friendly, and maybe honest, advice somewhat feels like leaking that RH9 is aware I am not in the scumteam.In post 651, RH9 wrote:So some advice, Winfried. You shouldn't be too generous in giving out townleans. It's a mistake I often make.
For example, I once gave RR a free TR and after they replaced out, their predecessor, fferyllt, scumslipped. However, under my believe that RR's slot was town for their earlier posts, I failed to catch that. (We won anyways, though.)
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I think there was a general change of tone in RH9s posts from trying to appear jestery to trying to appear more serious since shadd and I anounced a preference to vote for them. Which probably means they aren't happy with dying and they are not a jester.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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I have to look at this from 3 angles:
1) shadd town: That makes shadd just right about beating scum, I still would not want to lose to jesters by a kingmaking scum, when we can prevent this by eliminating scum immediately.
2) shadd maf: The player's motives and reads have been so obfuscated in this game, I am not willing to simply believe they didn't think I was jester (even though I would see it as a pretty strange read as I probably would just clownpost all day if I was jester, but stranger conclusions have been drawn in this game).
3) shadd jester: In this case shadd either speculated their theory would backfire immediately, or they townread me and have a followup plan for tomorrow in mind.
I do not see 3) being very likely. In particular: I have no idea what they would do tomorrow if they are jester. 1) is probably still the most likely possibility here, then 2), then 3). But from my view, if you correctly lock me as town, it would be just as or even more (depending on if we find scum today) game winning as locking shadd as town, so I have to cover all possibilities here and disagree with shadd's suggestion.
If it's gonna be me or someone else, this might be the first day where I'll cast 2 votes on the players I think not being jesters. Haven't made up my mind yet, who I think is the jester here though. RRs kneejerk agreeal with shadd seemed like a jester in panic mode because they read town would win and felt like they had to do something quickly.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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GG all.
I lost the game but I am happy I had the right reads about other slots in the end so that's something.
I read RH9 as town because he was really reading the game dangerously well. He was (I believe) the first one to detect I accidentally smothered shadd in townreads, because I forgot in the beginning other people could be scum in this town.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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I think you accidentally leaked your role here RR:
That was when AtE was at E-1, but hasn't shown up in the thread yet. You did not take into account AtE could have still been Jester, that's what finally made me somewhat lock you as jester.In post 744, Radical Rat wrote:AtE's votes right now are schadd_, WINfried, and Galron.
RH9 and myself have both posted without hammering.
This means that either AtE is scum, or both scum are already on their wagon. Galron is of course not scum, so there are exactly two possibilities right now.Just call me Winfried/Winnie preferably, thank you!-
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