Micro 1040: Shirley, You Blitz!

[MegAzumarill]

That said I still think we should just send buh

[MegAzumarill]

Bugspray*

[Radical Rat]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playstyle difference

And yet, paradoxically, in order for Jesters to be eliminated they must play as though they do not. And for the Mafia to not be eliminated, they may find the best defense is to act as though they do.
Which then also means the opposites are true for both as well, and so begins an endless spiral of WIFOM, where it becomes nigh impossible to tell how many layers of deception a given slot is using.

[MegAzumarill]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playtime difference

Playstyle *

This is the difference I find between shadd and bugspray I find.

It's more vibes and experience with jesters on other mafia related things than anything else but I don't think bugspray is actually applying to clown college. Shadd on the other hand is packed and ready to go.

[MegAzumarill]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playstyle difference

And yet, paradoxically, in order for Jesters to be eliminated they must play as though they do not. And for the Mafia to not be eliminated, they may find the best defense is to act as though they do.
Which then also means the opposites are true for both as well, and so begins an endless spiral of WIFOM, where it becomes nigh impossible to tell how many layers of deception a given slot is using.

There is method for discernment but regardless no point talking about it atm

Who do you think are jesters?

[Radical Rat]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playtime difference

Playstyle *

This is the difference I find between shadd and bugspray I find.

It's more vibes and experience with jesters on other mafia related things than anything else but I don't think bugspray is actually applying to clown college. Shadd on the other hand is packed and ready to go.

I do agree with this assessment though. bugspray is definitely the best elimination if we're aiming for Mafia. schadd_ also has my vote because of the possibility he's scum faking his clown scholarship applications, and if he is Jester then it's still safe for now, but bugspray would be my preference.

[MegAzumarill]

Additionally even if ideally they'd be identical, in practice it is unachievable

What are your other reads?

[Radical Rat]

But jester wants to be eliminated and Mafia doesn't

There's a notable playstyle difference

And yet, paradoxically, in order for Jesters to be eliminated they must play as though they do not. And for the Mafia to not be eliminated, they may find the best defense is to act as though they do.
Which then also means the opposites are true for both as well, and so begins an endless spiral of WIFOM, where it becomes nigh impossible to tell how many layers of deception a given slot is using.

There is method for discernment but regardless no point talking about it atm

Who do you think are jesters?

schadd_ would be my current best guess. Other than it, I don't know. POSSIBLY WINFried based on gut, but I'm not at all confident about that one.

[Radical Rat]

Additionally even if ideally they'd be identical, in practice it is unachievable

What are your other reads?

bugspray is likely Mafia
schadd_ is likely Jester
RH9 is likely Town
You and WINFried could be anywhere, but I lean Town on you and lean Jester on WINFried
AtE is Town if you're not, Mafia otherwise
Galron is confirmed Town, obviously.

[MegAzumarill]

IF it is a jester flip I think the game is solved

RR, Shadd, N_M -> Jester
Bugspray, ???-> mafia
Galron, MegAzumarill, RH9, ???-> Town

WinFried/AtE making up the last mafia slot

Yeah, maybe NM could be on to something. Don’t think I want to vote bugspray anymore.

Looking through ISOs I found this

AtE who would you prefer to vote now and why

[WINfried]

Bugspray seems even more obvious today as they did not self hammer yesterday and I really do not think they are town. So, I don't see anything else that could be preferable today really.

I don't think RH9 is town after their entrance yesterday and I am puzzled why both RR and Meg see him as town, what. I mean he hammered NM, when bugspray was at E-1 and actively did not self-hammer. What about that is town?

Assuming bugspray flips scum, town would then be for me:
Me, Galron, AtE, Shadd

Which leaves for not town:
RH9, RR, Meg

RH9 leans into jester, as them voting for NM looked pretty bad, and I think intentionally. This way they got NM eliminated and started to set up their own elimination.

RR leans into scum, I think they clearly don't want to get elimmed but their votes still seem like they don't care much who exactly goes down.

I am getting conflicting signals by Meg. Don't really know where in which camp to put them.

[MegAzumarill]

I should be obvtown if/when bug flips scum
Why do you think shadd is town?

[WINfried]

After their entry, almost all of their posts seem to be driven by town motivation. And as I said before, it wouldn't be the first time some townie did some silly bs after entering the game.

VOTE: not_mafia there has to be a firstvote

VOTE: galron

So this was the bad stuff and now just comes a wall of townpings?

does like nobody else understand the joy of voting the confirmed town person??? is Nobody upset?? frustrated?? that they don't get to do it because i did it already??

+town

ok here's my first good vote

VOTE: radical rat

• so this is a blitz game and it looks like we have a handful of dawdlers in the pl here. everytime you say "poke player" imagine youre poking me in the eye socket/temple to try to give me a headache. anyway if i want to move towards a good execution meaningfully it occurs to me to act fast
  
• i do think that radical rat voting me was a sign of someone wanting an excuse to get a vote down, which is something that non-town alignments are generally happy to do
  
• idrc if i end up voting a jester. crack eggs to make an omelette

pedit hello! i do know the voting rules and am town. i voted galron for fun, which is actually very obviously a possibility

+town

i'm not really sold that jesters will like fool around to try to get voted

+town

Well i just have the one vote & incidentally i dont believe it was from town

+town

idt jesters would do that

+town

i dont think not mafia needs to be voted necessarily

+town

for now i might place winfried as town

+town

i don't see why it is most likely that they are jester

+town

the thing about it is that any player is capable of doing some sort of jester-like performance whenever they feel like it. i think a key aspect of bugspray's play here is that they chose to vote galron.

+town

was there something that changed your mind about that

+town

sooort of neutral on azumarill. i slightly suspect that they arent a jester ?

+town

do u have any ideas as to who your partner is

+town

id be inclined to think rh9 is one of the several town. which also helps explain the period before the rep in where it felt like everyone that was posting was a wolf

+town

[WINfried]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

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[for postgame] wait is this the first time you've been a jester & won ? if so you're welcome for getting the ball rolling

You have some pull. Can you get him some golden udders or something?

[Galron]

Spoiler:

[Galron]

I stopped reading at vanilla town and replied confirm vanilla town

And this is a lie because the role PM also requires you to confirm the voting rules explicitly

mod error occured

Alright, and did you also not read the game's description before signing up?

Because your elimination order suggestion also assumed the existence of nightkills, AND would have just led to a Jester victory, even without the kills

So you want jester!me to win?

if i get yeeted and scum wins i'm gonna blame it on mod error confirming me when i had not truly confirmed =[

Here is bugsy's reaction to being put at E-1, which was about 1.5 hours after it occurred. Agree they are not a jester.

[Galron]

Would you help to free me from this prison?

Fine.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

RH9 what did you hope to accomplish by putting N_M on E-1?

[AtE]

Bugspray?

- head 2

Also told ya,. N_M wasn't it

[Galron]

vla through 11 January

[schadd_]

48 hours left!

[RH9]

Would you help to free me from this prison?

Fine.
VOTE: Not_Mafia

RH9 what did you hope to accomplish by putting N_M on E-1?

To stop him from pestering me on voting.

[RH9]

48 hours left!

What a cute kitty!

[RH9]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

Are you talking about bugspray or RR?

[RH9]

I mean maybe they are just bored and roleplay townie for fun now but as there seems to be considerable thought in their comments, I'm reading that as town overall.

Are you talking about bugspray or RR?

Actually, were you intending to talk about schadd?