Micro 1070 | a micro normal | Endgame

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Me, on my way to find some bad guys

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VOTE: Andante

They have had the most stilted entrance so far. ITS THE GUILT

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VOTE: Andante

They have had the most stilted entrance so far. ITS THE GUILT

lameee

This response does make me happy enough with this First Page Read

Andante, who is your partner?

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No, its okay. Dont tell me.

I will find them.

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VOTE: Andante

They have had the most stilted entrance so far. ITS THE GUILT

lameee

This response does make me happy enough with this First Page Read

Andante, who is your partner?

These posts from you really don't seem great
VOTE: Wavelength

feels more like you're trying to assert yourself as this leader "hey all, listen to me, I am the great and powerful"
idk, I'm not a fan. game literally just started

Huh, that response actually alleviates my issue with the "lameee" response

I have no desire to lead, but did try to skip the silly stages of the game

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hello

VOTE: alisae

good night

dats did you roll town finally ?

huh, I hadn't thought about that.

Datisi can be my page one town read.

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I have no desire to lead, but did try to skip the silly stages of the game

Ahh good attempt, probably should've picked literally anyone else cause picking me will get us no where lol

It got me post 26 from you, which was nice and serious.

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Andante you seem really excited to play mafia!

FACTS

Why is that? Not this game seems to imply that you were recently mafia.

Does having recently been Mafia have any bearing on the likelihood of someone being Mafia here?

Answer: no, it does not.

VOTE: Alisae, defend the honor of Roger Rabbit!

VOTE: Aureal

This does not read like someone who is actually trying to understand what Alisae is doing, and then asking if it is town or scum. It reads like someone who wanted to pick someone to call scum.

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@Aureal

Did you vote Alisae because you found thier questioning of Andante scummy, or would you say it was just an RVS vote?

Do you have even a read on her, even a weak one?

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I think klick is very unlikely to be mafia.

Only real town read so far.

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I don't think that 61 comes from his as scum, for either possible alignment for Aureal.

There is also an attention to detail in his reading of Aureal's posts that reveals intent to sort.

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I don't think that 61 comes from his as scum, for either possible alignment for Aureal.

There is also an attention to detail in his reading of Aureal's posts that reveals intent to sort.

Can you paint me a better picture here. I'm missing how you got this conclusion.

I feel like if Klick is a wolf that could be pretty easy to fake, I imagine the process is just him pointing out what he sees.

Abstract mental calculus around the variables of [that being the only thing in the entirety of the first few pages which he commented on at all], [the angle in which he read and presented an alternative view of Aureal] [attention of detail of it] vs a world in which they are scum/town, and a world in which they are scum partners.

I doubt that painted a better picture, but that will have do. I don't know that convincing you of my read on Klick all that high of a priority for me atm, seeing as he is at *checks vote count* zero votes, and we are still in early day 1, so who is even married to their reads at this point?

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huh, I hadn't thought about that.

Datisi can be my page one town read.

what

why

This post was half a joke, but basically I read Aristeia's post as calling you town (I have read seen that I was apparently wrong), and I stopped and asked my self "what about Post 9 could possibly make Aristeia think that Datisi is town?"

The answer I thought of was "maybe Aristeia thinks that Datisi is the type of scum player who would feel pressure to be more present at day start - or at least, if he was going to do a one and done before bed, pressure to make it have something more to it then 9 has"

And that seemed like as solid of a reason as any to declare a page 1 town read.

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Because if you don't pressure someone what are you doing. And herta is there as a RVS, they'll get cold feet (or they don't) and it'll be interesting to see what they do. And if someone quickhammers, that'd be very convenient too, wouldn't it. Tomorrow would be easy.

So yes, I don't see why you'd wait. Risk/reward is on your side.

I feel like most scum would be to scared to actually make this argument. Myko can be free of my vote for the day, unless he scum claims later on down the line or something

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This might be a spicy take (/s), but herta's posts are bad.

I also think that Aureal's actual responses to me make me feel less good about their alignment then Klick's theoretical explanation for their earlier posting.

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Long day

Myko and Klick are both town.

Andante's reentry to the thread without having read anything makes more sense if she thought that she was at E-1, so I don't hate her interaction with Klick. But I also don't really town read Andante, would say null, so feels weird defending her

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I don't really feel like Aureal is arguing in good faith. When Myko pushed back on their cross vote, Aureal took an incredulous angle that obviously town should hunt inside people voting them

I'm sorry, are you seriously trying to argue that town should not scumhunt among people who are voting for them??? I think that's often the most natural thing to do- who else is going to have a better perspective on what's accurate about arguments about me than me?

But then, when talking about Herta's vote asked

What makes you certain Herta's vote was RVS?

Which makes me feel like they have not actually looked at Herta at all

And they also have not appeared to make any statement about my own alignment.

So it does not really look like she is hunting in her voters, she is just fighting Myko. Which makes her response in the first quote I pulled feel like it was just a response to win the argument vs talking about what they were doing, which seems more likely to come from scum to me

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Much turmoil over if to hold off or to just shoot
I'm just going to shoot.

Curious as to who is informed of having my exact rolecard. I've done

A LOT

of thinking about this as well as what I think the setup could look like and I feel like it could be productive to massclaim who has this information. I am very curious to see who is willing to come out with it and I think I can find wolves based on the number of people who claim to have this information

Prior to you making this post, the people who were informed of your role card - were they informed that your role card existed in the game, or were they informed that you, in particular, had the role that you have?

(I am not informed)

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Oh. I misunderstood your post then.

So you have a role, and you were informed that there are multiple people with your role?

If that is the case, then from where I am sitting it now makes much less sense to confirm/deny, and I regret having done so

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If you think that the scum team might have at least one player with your specific role, then doing this confirm/deny of other players having that role seems like a good way to hand them a guide book on where to kill on a PR hunt

If the role is good, then they can target people who say that have it.

If the role is weak, then they can focus their kills on the people who don't have it, thereby hunting for more powerful PRs

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2? I think 2 would be the bare minimum.
3? Sounds about right
4? A little bit too much
5? Way too much but possible if both are wolves

This makes me feel like the mass claim would not be as helpful as you think that it would be.

Even if you assume that both scum have the role, there is just enough ambiguity, that the scum could do a 1 claim it and 1 doesn't claim, and the final numbers are still falling in your realm of "possible"

I also am not sure that I agree with the premise, and think that if I were designing a game around that role I would only give it to one scum That role looks like Spicy Vanilla. A Villager/Goon, but with a fun provable name.

So unless you are operating under the assumption that this game is mountainous + Spicy Villagers/Goons, then my expectation would actually be 1 Spicy Goon, and 1 scum PM. And then a couple Spicy villagers +

redacted

And suddenly this mass claim helps the scum team find the redacted.

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I agree with Ari that you seem very unlikely to make this argument this passionately as scum.

Which is good, because I was silently nursing a small but growing scum read on you, and just watching for a bit. And you shattered that.

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I think that the mass claim on this feels like a day 2 activity personally

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and I'm missing 2 that I just can't even recall are here

Spoiler:

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Re: Herta's lack of response being their response

I went to check if they have been active in other threads on site, and just ignoring us, and the answer was no.

You can check yourself, but be wary of talking about on going games search.php?author_id=34745&sr=posts

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Wavelength do you have a read on Datisi?

Not a strong one. Gth, I would go with town for the emotional reaction to the line that if he is town he is not critically thinking, but eh?

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I found myself busy. I'll try to catch up this evening.

Gambler's fallacy says andante is town.

I will say that the fact that this post comes with a comment on Andante instead of Aureal is kind of suspicious, give the Aureal wagon was a real wagon already. To be clear, I am leaning scum on Herta -- But I don't think that the lack of posting since then is damning.

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I believe Klick also said not informed

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Much turmoil over if to hold off or to just shoot
I'm just going to shoot.

Curious as to who is informed of having my exact rolecard. I've done

A LOT

of thinking about this as well as what I think the setup could look like and I feel like it could be productive to massclaim who has this information. I am very curious to see who is willing to come out with it and I think I can find wolves based on the number of people who claim to have this information

No clue

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I"m not informed as to whatever the informed thing is. But I have to read to see.

I'm having a procedure done this week so will get into this when I can.

vla through 26 Feb

Hi, excuse me



Herta, you are on the biggest wagon of the day. Any comment?

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Not to speculate on replacements or anything, but oof.

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Do we speed lim the slot to avoid the mod having to find a replacement lmao

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I was leaning scum, and the rep out makes me think so even more.

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But I guess we should be prudent and leave room for a claim.

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Were you really down for a no claim elim for that slot? Or were those questions as a way to see how I would respond?

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I feel like Datisi's response to reading your suggestion seemed fairly in line with my own: Your base assumption that both scum would JOATs seems overly presumptuous. And the information that you would get from it seems like it would leave a fair bit of ambiguity.

From where I was sitting your scum read on him seemed to stem mostly from a place of : Datisi and I are thinking about this differently, and I think that that difference is because of us having different alignments.

While I think that it is town indicative for you that you came to that conclusion, the argument is not particularly convincing to me, given my thought about the mass claim were actually closer to Datisi's thoughts then yours.

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I was considering the possibility of Aristeia scum, because they seem to be navigating the day in an way that feels like it is trying to be unintrusive / trying to be amicable, I did not like their push onto Myko, and trying to pivot the day onto the lowest content poster at this stage of the game seemed weird too.

But now that I am thinking more of Herta as scum, that softened that read, because obviously would not pivot onto their partner at that stage in the game either.

So I am back once again to just Aureal and Herta as scum reads, and with those both being the two leading wagons, and perfectly fine with either option as the day 1 elim, I am just kind of... here now

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My pronouns are she/her

My apologies, this was not intentional.

I actually just checked my iso, and I have said "he" 8 times, "she" 4 times, and "they" 54 times! -- which is way more then I realized.

I will make an effort to use she/her for you moving forward

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oh

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My pronouns are she/her

My apologies, this was not intentional.

I actually just checked my iso, and I have said "he" 8 times, "she" 4 times, and "they" 54 times! -- which is way more then I realized.

I will make an effort to use she/her for you moving forward

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Ari and Ali, you both missed a perfect opportunity to tell gimli we were mass claiming if we were an informed role, and asking him to answer right as he repped in. smh.

But he has made it clear that he has read Herta's iso, so that ship has sailed.

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I thought we were going to leave it for d2 so I just didn't LOL

Herta claimed before they repped out, so it was less about the mass claim and more about spot checking if they were consistent.

But it's all good

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Gimli, what page are you on for your catch up at this point?

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Have you read page 6? Or just opened page 6?

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Either way, I think I want to let you finish getting caught up before I really start engaging with some of what you have said

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your #126 is great

Oof.

Gimli, why is your incredulousness at people scum reading Herta'a small iso limited to the people who are voting for you right now?

For reference, my "great" post

This might be a spicy take (/s), but

herta's posts are bad

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I also think that Aureal's actual responses to me make me feel less good about their alignment then Klick's theoretical explanation for their earlier posting.

Why did me saying this not get a reaction like Ari saying it did? Because I think I am town?

In that case, why did someone you think is town saying it, not lead to questioning the scumminess of others doing it?

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Because * you* think I am town?

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VOTE: Gimli

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I don't actually think that I need to work very hard for it.

Seems likely with my vote there now, I can just go afk for a couple days and he will be dead.

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Myko where is your head at with Gimli?

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Gimli, would you say that the method of catchup you did this game is standard for you?

(If yes, can you link some rep in games for me so I don't have to hunt for them myself?)

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I asked the question because you asked me why I thought you were scummy, and one of the reasons was that your method of catching up: the spoiler tags for a page by page catch up, where you grabbed lots and lots of quotes - seemed performative in nature especially given the size of the game at this point. I wanted to double check that it was not just a play style thing.

Because I had the time, and did not to actually wait for your response, I went and scanned through your rep in games already. I did not see that style of catch up in any game actually, although to be fair most of them were repping in much later, I did find one where you came in on page 10 of day 1 (compared to page 16 of Day 1 this game), and you responded to an average of less then 1 post per page

Spoiler:

1 quote on page 1

0 quotes on page 2

1 quote on page 3

2 quotes on page 4

0 quotes on page 5

0 quotes on page 6

1 quote on page 7

0 quotes on page 8

0 quotes on page 9

Compared to this game, where during your catch up, you grabbed an average of 9 posts per page

So yeah, your catch up looked very performative. Designed to look like a townie with lots of thoughts about the game vs the things that town you would have actually gravitated toward.

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but wave I want you to express clearly why you think I'm scummy. I don't think you did that yet, even though you seem so sure about it.

I also hate your approach to the idea that I scum read you vs the idea that Ari scum reads you.

Your earlier response that you just glanced over my scum read of your slot because it came without reason, compared to Ari's which came with a vocalized argument that you were able to fight against, feels like scum to me.

You have since then left me as one of your strongest town reads, while trying to get me to make an argument that you can fight against. Which also feels like scum to me. You seem more focused on fighting to make people think that you are town, then actually just... being town.

(And also, I agree that Herta's lack of content / pop in not addressing the wagon they were on / repping out, all seem more likely to come from scum)

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@ Ali, you asked me earlier what I wanted, and the answer is now definitively a Gimli elimination.

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see, you metadived me and went nowhere with it like I said you would.

If you actually read the post that I made, you would see that I found the exact answer to the question that I had.

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Ari left the wagon...

I don't actually think that I need to work very hard for it.

Seems likely with my vote there now, I can just go afk for a couple days and he will be dead.

Damn, am I actually going to have to work for it

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I read every bit of your catch up, it just did not make me think that you were town.

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Wavelength Gimli is like super town
Why do you think otherwise in like 2 sentences

Herta.

Performative catch up.

Overly focused on Winning Arguments

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see, you metadived me and went nowhere with it like I said you would.

If you actually read the post that I made, you would see that I found the exact answer to the question that I had.

you found a wrong answer lol

but okay wave good talk

You seem to misunderstand the question that I was seeking the answer to.

I was not asking "is this how he does this as scum?" or "is this how he does this as town?" I was asking "is the thing that I am seeing as scummy explained by a playstyle difference?" -- and I found that answer to be no.

That does not inherently make you scum, but it lets me default back to reading this game the way I see it without needing to compensate for a play style difference.

You wanted me to read you off of this game, and the answer I got form the meta dive is that I can read you off of this game. But reading you off of this game I think that you are scum.

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No thanks.

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I think that in most of Gimli's interactions with Ari, he does not appear to be talking in a way that makes sense to be a townie talking to their top scum read [who they think is currently pushing you in bad faith.]

He looks like he is talking to a townie that he is trying to get to re-evaluate him (especially early on) / discredit her read if she doesn't (more of this later on).

Once I made it clear that I did not wish to interact with him on my scum read on him (largely because I find that to be a fruitless endeavor for both parties, and one of the worst ways to get a genuine re-evaluation of a scum read) I am now being described as tunneled to discredit my read as well.

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Hey Klick, if you think that I am really really wrong, now is the time to town case Gimli.

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You don't think repping into a slot that had already hit e-1 would influence what you are perceiving as "keeping options open"

Because I vaguely agree with Ari's point that landing on a scum pool of exactly the people already voting for him is interesting. Although, my thought was more that he could be trying to not ruffle other players feathers into voting him.

I also don't think that he has very many town reads (other then you or me) that he really married him self to so strongly that he could not walk them back fairly trivially as read progression.

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Why do scum focus on Winning Arguments

It is more about arguing from a less genuine place, then scum wanting to do so.

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I feel like a lot of this is echoing the way you were seeing me as well, would that be a reasonable assessment?

I did feel like you had a bit of that same impression of less then genuine arguing, but I do feel like the things that I saw about Gimli was substantively different then what I saw about you outside of that one aspect.

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@ Ali, you asked me earlier what I wanted, and the answer is now definitively a Gimli elimination.

Definitely?

I am actually less sold that that is my definite answer now then I was when I wrote it.

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I cannot tell if Aristeia is mind controlling me or what, but the cases that she has made hav resonated with me. Enough that I am even questioning my town read of Klick from earlier.

Which has left me a little less sure on where I want to go, and feel like I should ground myself again

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oh

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A lot happened in the last handful of posts

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If this game has multiple fruit vendors running around, motion detector is probably not the strongest, so I am not really sure that the claim should have diverted the wagon. But also, wish I had time to think about it at all

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LOL WAVE BAITED ME JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA

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