Micro 58 - Charge Mafia

[drmyshotgun]

^...?

I'm not charged.
Is there lots of alts in this game or?
VOTE: Parama

[drmyshotgun]

^...?

I'm not charged.
Is there lots of alts in this game or?
VOTE: Parama

You seem confused. What part confused you?

Cool, you aren't charged. Any particular reason you thought it was a good idea to reveal it? Can I literally ask you anything and get a response? You scum?
How many alts are you counting?
Your vote was rather bland.

-_-

drmy probably hasn't realized that the game has began.

Kids these days don't know how to go find threads on their own and watch for their game to start.

Think that they will just receive PMs and stuff.

I don't know you, I've never played with you (unless you are an alt), to call out people like that is rude.

[drmyshotgun]

^...?

I'm not charged.
Is there lots of alts in this game or?
VOTE: Parama

Wrong answer. I'm sad.

I'm also sad that you popped in and just made a random vote and didn't even try to get the game moving forward.

Uh-huh.
Did my vote seem that random.

[drmyshotgun]

Ha. Ha. Ha.

[drmyshotgun]

I don't even know you either Abaddon.

[drmyshotgun]

Lol I thought I was VT.
I'm positively charged. Quantum Changer.

[drmyshotgun]

That's what happens when you are in 8 or 10 games at once.

[drmyshotgun]

Cool story man.

[drmyshotgun]

^...?

I'm not charged.
Is there lots of alts in this game or?
VOTE: Parama

You seem confused. What part confused you?

Cool, you aren't charged. Any particular reason you thought it was a good idea to reveal it? Can I literally ask you anything and get a response? You scum?
How many alts are you counting?
Your vote was rather bland.

Is there a problem? You seem to be toxic and obnoxious.

[drmyshotgun]

vote: shos

OMGUS

Scum-move.

[drmyshotgun]

Lol I thought I was VT.
I'm positively charged. Quantum Changer.

once again, is there any rteason at all for you to say these stuff?!

I'd like to know this also.

What made you claim?

from my first question? did you really get the impression that I was asking you to claim your charge instead of are you charged to play the game?

7 player game. 2 votes on me. Now it became 3. Claimed qat L-2. Did not stop. Now at L-1.

[drmyshotgun]

dammit parama, I've already forgotten how hard it is to play with you >< which game was it...

Are you ... prod-dodging or something? You don't have any reaction to the discussion about RVS with Abbadon, or drmyshotgun's responses to questions, or anything else that is actually happening?

Non-indicative because he usually is like this. Jus saying.

Is this statement directed at me or at Shos.
If it was directed at me, as far as I'm concerned, I have not played any games with you. If he have, you are hiding behind some Alt account that will allow you to say anything you please. Where are you basing my meta upon?

[drmyshotgun]

^...?

I'm not charged.
Is there lots of alts in this game or?
VOTE: Parama

You seem confused. What part confused you?

Cool, you aren't charged. Any particular reason you thought it was a good idea to reveal it? Can I literally ask you anything and get a response? You scum?
How many alts are you counting?
Your vote was rather bland.

1st question: I don't know you. At all. But you seem to already have developed a distaste upon me. So I was confused as to why a person I don't even know would talk like that to someone he doesn't know.
2nd question: I was asked, and I thought I should answer. I perhaps should have tried harder to answer as accurately as possible, but I kind of screwed up by throwing some answer from the top of my head.
3rd question: You can try.
4th question: I am not.
5th question: 2.

[drmyshotgun]

It's hard to read me apparently?

My scumhunting is pro though
Part of me is wanting to see if shotgun is really this bad a player though because he doesn't seem to be much of an improvement over shotty whether or not they're the same person

Blah blah blah. Your hatred of player is getting in your way of doing anything.
But you are scum so w/e

[drmyshotgun]

Not a fan of RVS in Micros. Too dangerous.

Confused a little by the concept of split role/motive. Can someone concisely explain?

1. How is it dangerous
2. Emp explained it somewhere, loook harder

Trying to minimize discussion.

Mmk since your vote isn't random and you're not backing it up I'mma OMGUS until you do

unvote, vote: shotgun

P-Edit

2nd time you "OMGUS"ed someone. If you think I'm

that

bad as Shotty, this vote is just an indicator of your inability to build cases but attack someone that you think are inferior to yourself.
Me being a rather popular wagon at this moment is a bonus on top of that.

[drmyshotgun]

Abaddon question what's your time zone?

Useless question that doesn't advance anything.

Well considering that it was completely unrelated to your post I took it as one

If you're calling me scum you should probably back it up, because I plan to get nominated for manipulator for this game :V

Pfffft

[drmyshotgun]

Well why the heck did you think it was a good idea to claim? Seriously a page one question directed towards you is NO reason to claim.

You wouldn't be at L-1 if you hadn't claimed.

But alas, I think you are town. For now.

Well then I guess Panda used me, didn't he?

[drmyshotgun]

Abaddon question what's your time zone?

Useless question that doesn't advance anything.

Asked because Abbadon took nearly a DAY to respond.

Anyways.
Shotgun's blacklisted by me regardless of his alignment, I'm gonna replace out if he isn't lynched D1, etc~

Why. Threatening Town to do something is very very pro-Town of you.

[drmyshotgun]

I don't see anything worse in my ISO than in yours Parama.
If you want to blacklist me for no reason, feel free, I have no desire to play with such a juvenile player.
But you are blacklisting me regardless of my aignment and yet you want to get me lynched.
Indicating that you are lynching me because you obviously don't like me. Not because I'm scum.
And yet you threat the Town that you are going to get out of this game if you don't get what you want out of it?
Haw haw haw. If only things could work like that in every single step of your life. That would be swell, son!
I suggest you replace out and don't try to cost the Town with your childish exercise because they deserve better.

[drmyshotgun]

But lol. I guess you are scum and would do anything in your means to achieve your goal.

[drmyshotgun]

If it's me you don't want to play with anymore, you can just walk away from the game.
Don't pull this shit of "Waah waah, get him out of here! Boo boo" kind of schtick.

[drmyshotgun]

5 posts in a row targeting me personally without discussing my alignment. I'm impressed.

Because I spent the previous 5 posts discussing why you are scum? Nice try.

I think you're scum. If you somehow manage to flip town, I will be impressed, and hate you even more.

Sure sure. And you will get out of the game if I'm not lynched? Do us a favor, replace out regardless thanks.

Your 63 is trying to cover for the fact that in 62 you basically implied you knew I was town, by the way.

Nope. Where.

[drmyshotgun]

The reason why you don't say shits like: "If Shotgun flips Town, I'll replace out." means that you

know

I'm Town and you just plain don't want to play with me.

[drmyshotgun]

Are you saying you threatening Town that you'll replace out if you don't get what you want is pro-town? Do you normally do this shit?

[drmyshotgun]

60 is irrelevant I suppose.
61 is ironic sarcasm that I cant help but take as a personal insult
62 is unrelated to my alignment and slipping that I'm town FYPOV
63 is covering for 62
64 is also unrelated to my alignment, more directed at me personally

So I guess some of them count but you're not very sincere about any of them.

Well you started this as personal by saying you want me lynched or you'll replace out.
That isn't playing a game, that is trying to get what you want.

[drmyshotgun]

I don't see anything worse in my ISO than in yours Parama.
If you want to blacklist me for no reason, feel free, I have no desire to play with such a juvenile player.
But you are blacklisting me regardless of my aignment and yet you want to get me lynched.
Indicating that you are lynching me because you obviously don't like me.

Not because I'm scum.

And yet you threat the Town that you are going to get out of this game if you don't get what you want out of it?
Haw haw haw. If only things could work like that in every single step of your life. That would be swell, son!
I suggest you replace out and

don't try to cost the Town

with your childish exercise because they deserve better.

First bold: Missing a "you think" after the because, scum mindset leads to subtle things like this
Second bold: If you thought I was scum, you wouldn't suggest I replace out because of this, you'd suggest to lynch me, right?

Oh lol.
1st point: That's me being inside your head. You know I'm not scum. Ha. Ha. Ha.
2nd point: I have given reasons as to why we should lynch you already. Why are you trying to distort my purpose?

[drmyshotgun]

Is town supposed to care about my replacing out? Just stating my intentions, I'm sure the people here who hate me would love to have me replace out :V
Not forcing anything though. Why are you trying to imply I am? Town basically loses nothing if I replace out, my thoughts are still here and it's a slot that will likely get filled before day 2 starts.

Yes it does. It loses a player and their knowledge of the game from being there from the beginning.
It loses Time since replacement has to do what you should have been doing.
These should be obvious to you.
But I guess your scum intentions dictate that you see no such thing. You apparently hating me for no reason is a good cover for that.

What has made you call such decision as to why I'm blacklisted by you regardless of my alignment and why you would replace out if I'm not lynched, is missing. Perhaps its just hollow threat to Town. Lol if it was.

[drmyshotgun]

Leaving everything behind, I think Code and Packbat are safe bets as Town. They're active, makes sense, and unapologetic about their own posts. Which is a good sign in my books.

I actually snorted at that Daykill too.

VOTE: Shos

[drmyshotgun]

Did you expect me to not answer your question, Panda?
I'll answer the other questions shortly.

[drmyshotgun]

the logic behind the question.

I always find asking questions like that or doing something unusual brings out the most content and reactions in the game.

But I specifically asked shotgun that because I believe I can read shotgun the easiest because I've played with him before and I have a pretty good understanding of his playstyle.

There was this one game I played with shotgun, where in my first post I claimed. and I got shotgun to claim after that. but we weren't serious, I understood him, and that's where I got my solid town read on him in that game.

and with the above, I'm sure you can understand my play with words.

I'm fully charged. fact - I wasn't being serious.

shotgun got all serious and answered the question. - the alarm bells in my brain started tingling.

and then he proceeded to claim out of the blue. - which makes me believe hes trying to make me use meta from that game to call him town.


Shotgun answer this. is any of what I typed unreasonable?

No they are all reasonable I guess.
But you see, I'm in a lot of different games. I only realized I was in this game when Empking sent me a prod saying that the game started already. I was accustomed to have Mods send PMs announcing the start of the game. Therefore I was not able to reply faster.
I thought I was just Townie in this game, since I didn't get any Scum QTs, nor did I get some fancy PR to get me excited., so I felt safe saying what came to my mind when I came into the game.
As I said, I thought I was Townie, so I assumed that I don't have any "charge" or whatever you asked me of.
But it seems that I

do

have a charge now that I went back and checked again after my "claim" sort of got me under heat. I don't know what my role does for sure (I'll have to check again), but I'm Town.

[drmyshotgun]

So my assumption WAS right!

You will remain on the townie list.

Well yes, but the way you said it seemed a bit rude at that time so I was put off to admitting it.

[drmyshotgun]

@gunny: am I not active.? do I not make sense? am I apologetic? O__o so where's the hypocrisy coming from? do you believe that "missed that post" by packbat?


ninja'd:
I'm not sure what to make of this post gunny. can you rephrase?

First point: Well, you fake-claimed and admitted to fake claiming before any confirmation. And your fakeclaim was directed at Code, by "dayvigging" him when he was pretty Town in my opinion. Your vote on Packbat is also pretty terrible in my point of view as Pack was also solidly Town.
What is this "hypocrisy" you seem to be seeing here? I do believe Packbat missed whatever post he claims to have missed. People miss posts all the time.

What part of it do you not understand. You seem to be asking a lot of fluffy questions with no use as to create distraction upon your own status in this game.

[drmyshotgun]

Dear Abaddon,

Where was I considered as an unreadable VI? VI, I have been called as, multiple times, yes. I do not deny this fact despite the belief that I get better and better.
But everytime, I was, and still am, considered to be one of the easier-to-read players.
Don't make up stupidass stories. Considering that you also consider Whiskers as one of the idiots on this site, I think I have an idea of who you are and why you are hiding behind some shonky alt, Abaddon.
Now I'm not trying to go sniffing off your ass to see who you actually is, but based on the evidences I've seen, I have a good idea of your identity.
Rarely is it the case that a player who calls other players idiots out loud in an Alt account has a worthy face of his own.

Where did I imply outside knowledge. Shos's "Daykill" was fake as hell like a plane made out of card-board box.
I've seen so many fake Daykills on this site, so I know one when I see one.
Here, Shos "Daykilled" for the sake of daykilling. Not in order to get reactions, not in order to actually kill. It was some useless shit.
As Town, it was aweful. He had no reason to do it.
As Scum, he'd try to opt for looking more Town with a shonky gambit.
Shos's insistence of wanting to find out Code's main account is something for me to scratch my head about.
@Shos: Do you have a record of being a Town-sided player that used Meta to do things like get off reads, etc? Basing on Meta, I think you are Scum in this game. You are playing very similar to what you played like in our latest Vengeful Townie game (big, meaningless posts, confused tone, answering post by post etc). Same can't be said about Star Trek Mafia, though I might have to check that one up again to see if you played like this in that game.

Interesting that you see one out of Shotgun(me) and Parama as Scum. (I no longer see Parama as scum suspect btw)
And at the same time imply that I have outside knowledge of Shos's "daykill" being fake.
This can only come from a Scum who knows his partner has no such abilities of "daykilling". Therefore you must suspect I'm Scum. With Shos.
And yet your vote goes on RedPanda. Do you think RedPanda will put such reaction test on me if he was Scum with me?
And if he did so under this condition, do you think I'd give such strange unsatisfying answer to fail it of sorts?
No. It would have been planed. Thought-out. I'd have been more careful with my answer so as to allow Scum RedPanda to give Scum Shotgun a justified Townread. This did not happen.
I no longer see Parama's reaction and his argument with me as Scum-motivated. How you think Parama could be scum, you have not given much of.

Yet you see at least one out of me or Parama as Scum. But not as strong as Shos who is "crazy pants-on-head" (lol @trying to buddy Code)?? Your list smells like generic go-with-the-flow, type of list a scum would give in "catching-up".
Do you see how you pose contradiction which you haven't really thought-through? Or you are just scum and is trying to have as much shields you can create out of the selection of Towns you have at your disposal here.
The fact that you vote RedPanda out of your suspects makes me write down: Stay away from Panda wagon, since he's probably Town.

Regards,
Shotgun


Anyways, for others:

; do you think the profit is worth the damage?

Also what damage?

Even if gunny claimed his charge, why does it matter? do you know something about this setup more than me?

This is actually true. I don't know what they do for sure, it's confusing. Although that's part of the fun.

...something about this exchange just reads as false to me. I think you're trying too hard to come off as nonchalant.

Is that a scumtell?

Obviously. As a rule, scum have more reason to be nervous about being lynched than town - thus, scum will be

trying

to appear less nervous about being lynched than they actually are. Code said he had an odd feeling about you. By my estimate, the ordinary townie reaction to that would be approximately none. Instead, you set out to laugh it off.

Not necessarily agree. I think RedPanda is one of those players who can have tad strange atmosphere.

unvote, vote: shos

This is Town reaction to what has happened thus far with what had happened prior to these.

At this point, Shos is playing on pointless arc to defend himself with fluffy questions.

oh shit I'm confusing games.

well then on my count I'm already on L-1 so I'll softclaim as a start.

I am an Electronic Surge - I have negative charge. I'm some sort of a blocking role.

Hmmmmm.

@mod: I have no idea why it happens, can you delete posts 143, 137, 136? :/ sorry..


Unvote: pack
vote: Parama

Why.

Yeah, that thing with Panda and Shos about the avvy is pretty amusing. But I don't necessarily see it as Town tell.
He calls himself a VI and finds it acceptable that he lives longer despite admitting that he is "useless" to Town.
He also makes a fault in claiming that he'd do the "same as when he's scum" about finding a new avatar to get a vote off of him.
Still no sign of as to why he thinks Parama is scum and why he thought Packbat was Scum.
This event also gives him an opportunity to become a bootlicker for RedPanda. He calls the results of the "Reaction Test" faulty and yet finds time to praise it to god almighty and give him this "Strong Town Read Badge"??
What a baloney. Also, I didn't really read Code vs Shos argument, but something caught my eyes.
Shos claims that he has given reasons as to why he is voting for Parama right before he voted him. I don't see it. I must be blind.
I only see Shos saying: Parama is hard to read. Parama is active lurking (wtf?). Parama sheeps Panda.
These don't let me see the way you reached to the conclusion that dictates Parama as your top scumread, Shos.

tl;dr Vote stays on Shos, but willing to get on Abaddon as well.

[drmyshotgun]

So I've been thinking.

I think that if I were scum, I'd react exactly the same. exactly. just to get off the hook - do wahtever pleases the guy as long as he unvotes you. So while I think you were wrong in the outcome of your reaction test, I think it was brilliantly executed, and that if you were scum you wouldn't have to do anything at all, especially when code wanted to hammer. so you get a Strong Town Read badge.

I'm also getting a slight town read from Code for the fact that he waited. so far there's been plenty of things for you to easily come up with reasoning to hammer me, and he didn't.

1. It isn't brilliantly executed if you claim that the test wouldn't have worked on you anyways. You spoke too much with this. A test isn't brilliant when the outcome is wrong. You are just finding an excuse to call Panda town now that he's called you town. Quid pro quo.

2. Waiting for hammer is not a Towntell. It is a null tell. Why would Scum quickhammer. That is just stupid. Another excuse to call someone (Code) Town for not offing you on-spot.

[drmyshotgun]

oh shit I'm confusing games.

well then on my count I'm already on L-1 so I'll softclaim as a start.

I am an Electronic Surge - I have negative charge. I'm some sort of a blocking role.

This sounds like an echo of my own entrance to this game, does it not?

[drmyshotgun]

VOTE: Packbat.

I think I will build a case in the near future but I have no will for that now, I wanna fetch other games meanwhile.

Why.

[drmyshotgun]

Seriously, Shos. You were voting Parama just before. And when someone comes on board to form a pressure wagon, you go vote him instead?
What is going on.

[drmyshotgun]

Assuming I survive this day: do you think I should or should not use my power?

discuss.

What the hell is there to discuss. You start and show us just how we discuss this shit.

[drmyshotgun]

going to lol at how abaddon called Code a bully too XD

abaddon's ISO looks good tho. I disagree with practically everything he said in that long post of him, but it's all feelings and opinions that differ and it makes me think he's coming from a townie POV. nothing too specific, but I'm rather willing to call abaddon town for now.

@abaddon:

you agree to tell us who you're alt of or are you like Code?

First thing: there you go again with Alt-fishing. Stop.
Second tihng: There you go again with contradiction. Echo of Panda-reaction-test reaction. You disagree with everything Abaddon said in his long catch-up post and yet you call his ISO good. He has been pretty inactive in the middle and when his catch-up post arrives, what do you do? Why, disagree with it and yet declares it good, of course. Of course.
This post contains no reason to call Abaddon "townie" and if you are Town, how you could think Abaddon's coming from "townie POV" when it so differs from yours, I have no clue.

[drmyshotgun]

You've buddied up to Code, who is arguably the biggest threat, given that Shotgun and Parama are non-entities in this game. With Code's inability to make a decision and their absence, yeah, making a case stick is hard.

lmao

[drmyshotgun]

Town on Packbat.
Wouldn't stop Abaddon lynch if it happens.

[drmyshotgun]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Abaddon

[drmyshotgun]

Fine with claimings.

P-Edit: I don't trust anyone at this point.

[drmyshotgun]

I don't get all the pressure on Parama based on that hammer.
Abaddon was in a bad spot anyways. Wouldn't scums be more careful about hammering?

[drmyshotgun]

^Yeah, I can see that.

[drmyshotgun]

^Didn't you just say you "cleared" me or something?

[drmyshotgun]

And it just proves how incomprehensive and forgetful you are Shos, that Parama and I had terrible loudmouthed argument earlier.

[drmyshotgun]

If you want to suggest Parama/Shotgun team, you'll have to say out loud that such act was faked.
Your suspicions are inconsistent. At one point you say this, and at other point you just jump at whatever you see.
That isn't Scumtell imo, but rather a strong sign of poor play.

[drmyshotgun]

hypothetically shotgun and parama, if you were to vote for someone who would you vote for first? me or packbat?

You

[drmyshotgun]

taking it back. the reasons were not logical, they were based on feelings. do not vote until parama claims, and then you claim.

Do you normally take back your "townreads" on a whim at the sign of a single scumminess in your eyes?

who cares about your distancing. no wonder you're considered such a bad player by so many, if you think that makes for a towntell

Oh so its confirmed "distancing" now? Since when?
Lol. Did I say "distancing" gives me towntell? I said would two scums fight each other to cover up the thread for a while?
And nice attempt to stab at me personally, there. Piece of work right there.

[drmyshotgun]

Tell me Shos, who considers me a bad player?

[drmyshotgun]

also shotgun why would you lynch me first and not packbat?

You are more scummy.

also what changed your shos read?

The flips.

[drmyshotgun]

Shos was not pushing Abaddon wagon.

[drmyshotgun]

and?

also you had a problem with the abaddon wagon?

Are you asking me this? A scum acting like a VI would easily use his status to push a lynch on any Town player.
Although his posts as of late is getting curiouser and curiouser.

Packbat is town. the scumteam I said is the one that I now think is the most likely.

Why and why.

what I thought earlier does not change anything in light of the quickhammer.

So you think someone who quickhammers is Scum? There are advantages of quickhammering for Town as well as for Scum. You didn't defend Abaddon well enough and seemed to have no problem seeing him go and when he flips Doctor all you can say is: "Person who hammered is Scum!"? What a baloney.

why did you post two posts before responding to my message? had to think out what you're going to say?

Huh. Didn't it tooke like 2 minutes? I was typing my post before your post came up and just posted whatever I wrote.
What's with this confirmed-Scum look you are giving me here?

yes, two scums can definitely do that, even I as scum sometimes do that, sometimes even PREPLANNED in night.
that is not an attempt to stab at you, you probably missed the IF.

Show me where a player threatened to replace out and blacklist another one of his partners AND wanted him dead.

@311 - unrelated to game - lately I've seen your name in many places talked about as a VI, as a blacklisted etc. I have no idea on what basis. many places= at least three different ones. in my own experience you're good - how you nailed the zdenek/me/shed scumteam there etc etc. no personal stab intended~

Then why'd you even bring it up if it's not your personal opinion? This can only be seen as your attempt to muddy the waters of this game by pointing me out as a VI.
Who blacklisted me? I don't recall anyone blacklisting me as of late except for Parama.

[drmyshotgun]

[quote=Shos]Packbat, does that confirm you two as town? do you two have any other effects other than this? who chooses when/how to change your charges?[/quote]
I do not have any other effect than this.
I choose to when we change our charges. I did not change my charge last night. It is worth noting that my Power comes into play before any other Powers.
It does not confirm us as Town.

[quote=shos]tell me, what benefits do quickhammers have for town?[/quote]
Avoid Scum to muddy the waters before they go? Prevention of WIFOMing the thread?
In what ways would you have defended Abaddon?
Would you be using the same tell if Abaddon flipped Scum, Shos?

Didn't MoI say he unblacklisted me? Didn't play him since Star Trek so I presume I'm not on his blacklist still.

[drmyshotgun]

^wow, quoting fail.

RP's flavor doesn't look like it's fitting to his charge. Electric vehicles are neutral almost always. you claimed to be negative too..

gunny claim plox

I did in my post above.

[drmyshotgun]

Are you asking me this? A scum acting like a VI would easily use his status to push a lynch on any Town player.
Although his posts as of late is getting curiouser and curiouser.

did abaddon's lynch need help?
also were you against abaddons lynch?


also I'm only asking because you posted a wall calling shos a bootlicker and that we were being conned by him and then suddenly he says he can clear you and then you don't mention him at all and then we have now that he's considering you as scum, you're changing your mind again.

"Help" in what way? Prevention? Or more votes?
I was not against Abaddons lynch. I was voting him, wasn't I?

[drmyshotgun]

My Role PM does not mention Packbat. But his claim sounds plausible to me. (Not his alignment)

P-Edit: Your point?

[drmyshotgun]

My point is you admitted that you didn't trust anybody which to me was a good sign coming from town.

and yet immediately after shos called you town, you changed your old read on him completely.

I also don't believe that you would find me more scummy than packbat.

I mean fucking come on. I've played with you before, 80 posts from me and I've townhunted in most of them and packbat has done fucking nothing, I don't understand what townshotgun is reading.

If you're town vote packbat right now.

shotgun?

It's lylo and I'm Town, so no thanks. Gonna hold onto my vote and not just shoot when someone tells me to shoot.

Where did I change my read on Shos completely?
I don't recall a post from me, saying: "Shos is Town"
You'll have to quote that specifically to show everyone how my reads changed. As far as I can remember, the flips and the time I took during the night changed my views, but I don't recall myself saying I have Townread on Shos.
I only said that I can see Packbat-Panda scumteam and did not comment on Shos until he showed up throwing muds at my name with how he saw people calling me VIs and blacklisting me - which turned out to be a lie and something he can not prove.

Oh that "I posted a lot, so I'm Town." argument. That can go into the bin thanks.
Packbat has done nothing? That may be so, but I also don't see a case on him. You want me to vote Packbat and yet you are pushing me? How does that work. Show me a case on Packbat

You had some interesting gimmicks you brought to this game.
But from what I saw, it was pretty badly done and the results you got was bad as well (my own and Shos's claim of it being faulty result).
Other than that, I don't particularly recall anything spectacularly Town from you, so quit pushing me like you are Town leader or something.


Now, Shos, your suspicion on Parama is based solely on quickhammering? That is not enough.
You also had suspicion and had fair bit of time voting Parama Day 1 without anything on him.
I don't think its Parama. He's the sole VT and that claim has weird persuasive power on telling me Parama is more likely Town.

Yes, the claim from Packbat

does

sound like a Scum role to me.
If Positive charge can only investigate other positive charges, I can send him to be positive and get him investigated by Cop to check his alignments.
So Charges are not indication of alignments but how the game mechanic works, I guess.

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Not hammering.

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Yet.

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Oh that "I posted a lot, so I'm Town." argument. That can go into the bin thanks.
Packbat has done nothing? That may be so, but I also don't see a case on him. You want me to vote Packbat and yet you are pushing me? How does that work. Show me a case on Packbat

I didn't make that argument.

I made the argument that I have so many posts which is full of scumhunting and townhunting.
there's very less of that from packbat.

And forum mafia in my opinion works best with townhunting.

and you're asking for a case on packbat when I'm just telling you that he hasn't scumhunted much or townhunted much. you want something more than that? Alarm bells are ringing in my head shotgun.

Yes, because I'm fucking Town and you are calling me Scum, so obviously you are being terrible at this game.
Full of scumhunting and townhunting? Well looks to me they are failure. So obviously I consider you either a) playing badly or b) Scum. I take the latter.
Exhibit 1: You failed to get a Townread on me, who is the only confirmed Town in my point of view.
Exhibit 2: Shos claimed that your reaction test failed
Exhibit 3: You are failing to engage at all with Parama saying he's likely Town because this is how he plays. You call Packbat a null slot and fail to mention Parama?

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You had some interesting gimmicks you brought to this game.
But from what I saw, it was pretty badly done and the results you got was bad as well (my own and Shos's claim of it being faulty result).
Other than that, I don't particularly recall anything spectacularly Town from you, so quit pushing me like you are Town leader or something.

My gimmick saved shos.
My gimmick didn't make shos claim.
My gimmick didn't make you claim.
even if you can make the argument that I made you claim your charge, it never should have made you fullclaim.
why did you fullclaim btw?

also you were really buddy buddy with me yesterday with all my "gimmicks" and you were calling shos scum after that gimmick and you called my "gimmick" on you completely reasonable.

Oh so it was your gimmick that confirmed Shos as Town to everybody? Cool story man.
Shos

said

he'd have done the same as Scum anyways. What do you think of that?
How do you know if Shos is Scum who's doing that or Town who's reacted like that if Shos himself told us that the result would have been the same regardless of his alignment?

I said your gimmick was "completely reasonable" as in I can see why you've done it. I've gave my reasons why I came in late to the game. There was no message saying the game started, I didn't get fancy PR, I didn't get Scum QT to indicate to me that the game started.
You failing to acknowledge those facts like Code did is intriguing.
Where was I "buddy buddy" with you? Don't make up stories.

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Oh that "I posted a lot, so I'm Town." argument. That can go into the bin thanks.
Packbat has done nothing? That may be so, but I also don't see a case on him. You want me to vote Packbat and yet you are pushing me? How does that work. Show me a case on Packbat

I'm appalled that you need a case on packbat. I gave you two chances. I definitely don't see you doing this as town.

Who the hell are you to be giving me "chances"?
You can't provide a case?
Explain to me why Packbat is confirmed Scum from my point of view. Because you know what? It looks like he is confirmed scum from

your

point of view more than mine.

No. I'm confident in my read.

I should have stuck to my gut when he failed the test I gave him day 1.

Sure sure.

fine.

unvote
vote packbat

Lol vote change.

point is, their flavor fits perfectly with physics and I find their claims totally flawless and credible.

also I've been thinking about this and while I do agree if their claims are legit then its one scum and one town, I have a feeling that the claims are fake.

shotgun took some time to claim and he claimed out of the blue. also from shotgun's POV packbat should be automatic scum but he isn't voting for packbat.


I've asked him two times to do the obvious thing he should do, both times he's told me off.

Why is Packbat an automatic scum from my POV?
The only thing I see is his claim which could be controlled by me as to maybe allow Cop to investigate Packbat while being unable to investigate me or vice versa.
So what? A single claim does not make a player confirmed Scum nor does it make one confirmed Town.
You think a scumteam would carry two players that has the role that enables both of them to control their charges?
What advantage does that give the scumteam, may I ask?
Of course, take in the other roles that claimed so far: Cop, Doctor, Roleblocker of positive charges, etc etc

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I could reply to all of those but I've already nailed the game and I don't see the point in arguing with scum.

You didn't nail shit.

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I figured it out. Pay attention Parama and shos.

Something was bothering me about the nightkill.

It doesn't make sense that shotgun when hes positively charged would send packbat to make the kill when packbat is negatively charged because shos claimed that hes a negative charge global roleblocker.

Mmm good on you. The Nightkill bothered you. What reasons were there to not kill Code? He was obviously highly confident, he was Town leader of sorts, and like everybody had Townread on him?
Just because he ordered the hammer on Abaddon who flipped Doc doesn't make him lesser target than anyone.
Why you are bringing up the Nightkill only now, is something that should be looked at.

It makes sense that me and Packbat are scums together? Since when?

you seem to be angry about something shotgun.

And you seem to be misrepping me at every turn.
Just calling a spade a spade.

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I do not have any other effect than this.
I choose to when we change our charges. I did not change my charge last night.

It is worth noting that my Power comes into play before any other Powers.

and the bolded part in this quote above is very interesting.

also why wouldn't shotgun use his ability?

there are two facts here.

1) shotgun's the stronger role.
2) shotgun didn't use his ability.
also Why did shotgun give out that information about his power coming into play before other powers?

I don't get the logic that shotgun didn't use his power. Everyone uses their night action. its only scum who're hiding something that claim that they didn't use their power.

We have scums intent to send in a kill using a positively charged person.
we have shos who claimed a role that global role blocks negative charges.
and we have shotgun who is positively charged who is more useful than packbat.

the only scenario that makes sense with the way the night kill happened is

Shos blocks all positively charged people.
shotgun doesn't know this and changes his charge to negative and packbats charge to positive.
shotguns power is blocked and he remains positively charged and packbat remains negatively charged.
packbat sends in the kill believing hes positively charged and the kill goes through because he's negatively charged.

This makes complete sense and I believe I figured it out.

Everything that was confusing me about the night actions is explained in the above.

You are thinking in a square box where it is me and Packbat confirmed Scum.
You must use the informations to reach that conclusion not start with the conclusion and make up baloney to fit with your story.
It says on my Role PM that my power goes in play before any other powers. Why would I want to hide that information when its massclaim time for everyone to come clean?
Why would I not use my ability? Why would I? What advantage do you see in me using my ability? I certainly didn't.
It looked like nothing. So I change my charge. Cool. What does that give me? Errr, I dunno? Change of charge?
What makes me stronger role? Cuz I can go earlier than others? Cuz I control Packbat's charge? Why is being able to do that make me "stronger"?
Everyone uses their Nightaction? That is wrong. People restrain themselves on using Night actions all the time. Think 1Shot anything.
And with no clear advantage of me using my power, what's the harm in keeping to myself for 1 night?

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Mmm good on you. The Nightkill bothered you. What reasons were there to not kill Code? He was obviously highly confident, he was Town leader of sorts, and like everybody had Townread on him?
Just because he ordered the hammer on Abaddon who flipped Doc doesn't make him lesser target than anyone.
Why you are bringing up the Nightkill only now, is something that should be looked at.

lol. I haven't once declared that the problem I had was with code's death.

That was the nightkill and the nightkill bothered you?

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Also I'm not even lynching you today.

Nobody is lynch you today. why are you even defending?

either put your vote on me and let parama decide the hammer or hammer packbat.

stop saving yourself from tomorrow's lynch.

You expect me to just ignore the cases put up against me?

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busy with other games, but I see that both Parama and Gunny aren't hammering. that means that these scum with pack town cannot happen, so if he is town, then ther's only one scum, so packbat is scum! yay us.

CONFIRM VOTE: Packbat

I'll read up from post 392 later

This makes sense.

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Well as one of the confirmed-Scum in your eyes, I'd like to defend myself right as your attacks come in.
Why would I save to defend myself later? Do you control the Nightkills?

Nice attempt at throwing muds all over me at anything I do in this game.

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Commuter: Run away from Nightkill/investigation/anything for the night.

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What advantage do you see in me using my power.

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I didn't say I wanted to use it later. Where did I say that.
I said I saw no advantage in using my role, so I left it alone? Better not mess with something you don't even know.

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why would the mod create two roles with them having no advantages?

omg

So what? I don't see why it'd be useful, I decide to leave it at that.
Who knows what could happen if I used it? I certainly didn't, did you?

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Willing to hammer.

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pssssh

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Oh, I actually do agree with Packbat.

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Hmmm.
Packbat, what do you think about Shos-Panda team?

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I think Parama is Town.
I am Town.

Panda and Shos are tied together.
Panda is scum, I think. At least more scum than Packbat at this point. He tried to enforce me to put a vote on Packbat saying Pack should be confirmed Scum in my point of view.
Just based on the roles I got and Packbat got? If it was that easy, why we could have massclaimed and caught one scum just like that! But no, I think there's more to this situation.
He doesn't explain it much but just says so. Probably in order to insinuate that message into my head to trick me into voting.
And then he proceeded onto vote me.
When Shos voted Packbat, Panda quickly switches onto Packbat.
He claims both me and Packbat are his scumreads and he'll just vote me straightaway on Lylo, but just by being me in my position, I know that's a load of bullshit.
Others have said Panda's theorization is bullshit.

I'm kind of inclined to think Shos is Town and Panda is bussing Pack, but there's no real reason to do this in Lylo.
Why spend another day to win if you could continuously push one person you were pushing?
Well yes, unless you can get yet

another

mislynch, that is.
But that's just possibilities. I want Panda lynch if possible. I know Packbat is willing to help on that. Since Panda has not yet been quickhammered with just one Packbat vote, either Packbat is scum or he is Town voting Panda-Scum.
Or they could be bussing. Based on the behaviors I'm inclined to think Packbat is distancing Panda and Panda is Scum anyways.

Shos, what's your opinion on Panda?

Packbat, in your eyes, Shos and Panda are confirmed Scum, right? Why don't you say this in your posts?

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...

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"ok so me and RP are voting gunny, and both you and parama didn't hammer."

What??

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I should be confirmed Town in Packbat's views because I haven't hammered. Same with Parama, thanks.

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@Shos
Lol? I am not going to hammer at any point unless Packbat answers badly.
I want Panda lynch. And the fact that ME and Parama haven't hammered so long means Packbat is supposed to be confirmed Scum in your POV.
Keep your vote there thanks.

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I should be confirmed Town in Packbat's views because I haven't hammered. Same with Parama, thanks.

hello

he called you confirmed town before that.

keep trying to spin it differently scumbag.

Thought you said your piece and won't bother anymore?

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@Shos
Lol? I am not going to hammer at any point unless Packbat answers badly.
I want Panda lynch. And the fact that ME and Parama haven't hammered so long means Packbat is supposed to be

confirmed Scum in your POV

.
Keep your vote there thanks.

Since you should be Town and there hasn't been a coordinated quickhammer from the two (or even 1) scum.

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Umm, Shos, you don't have to ISO Panda. If you can, find links with Packbat.
Or tell me why Packbat is Scum so that I might change my mind about voting Panda instead of hammering Pack.

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And Packbat, I think you know what you should be doing.
I'll read the game myself again with Packbat ISO. Will try in making Panda the today's lynch.

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I've already answered why I didn't use it. I don't know what it does, I don't have any knowledge other than I can change my charge.
What does it do? I don't know. What can it do? I don't know.

Since the hammer went through and no-one's saying it's game over, Packbat must be Scum.
I'm leaning Parama scum now, but the Night action shall tell.

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Actually, with Parama's post#506, I'm back to Panda more likely.

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I know better, Shos..
Why are you sure about 3p lylo?

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...well, that makes my life simpler.

Good game, people; thanks for modding, Empking.

:/
Either there's two trolls or one.

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Didn't use my power last night.
So what.

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I have no idea why you think I must be the last scum.
Why does two men scumteam need a Quantum Changer and Quantum Changee?

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So it's just my role that's giving you guys license to lynch me? That's cool.

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What WC

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And not scum.

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What's the further case on me? I've attempted to counter all that was presented before me prior to this day.

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What. What should I answer for. My Wincon? I can look up my Role PM and read it out to you if you'd like that.

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Says I win if All Mafia are eliminated.

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VOTE: RedPanda

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*shrug*

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Good game thanks for the win Parama.
Sorry for me being pretty aweful this game.

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I don't get why Panda voted himself, but oh well.

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Funny how Panda was in 2 scum lynch wagons.

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Mmm. Doesn't sound like a strategy I'd have balls to pull. Still, was worth a try on Panda's part, I believe.