Micro 70 ~ Mafia in Triplicate (Game Over!)

[Tierce]

That's boring.

VOTE: Konowa

Vangelis is always a good pick.

[Tierce]

Mind my signature, Konowa.


Vangelis: the artist behind the Day start mood music. That's all there is to it, move along.

UNVOTE: Konowa
VOTE: Nobody Special

You've had your cheap Towntell. It is obvious we cannot lynch the mod. Why are you still remarking on it after that became obvious?

[Tierce]

It's not remarkable in any way.

Happy with this vote.

[Tierce]

Not moving on, since it is still the only thing you find at all 'remarkable' in the game, NS. You are more curious about the impossible Vi lynch (obvious joke on Vi-as-mod and Vi-is-always-Town) than about

anything else so far

. We may be only 25 posts in, but I find it hard to believe that is the

only

opinion you would express if you were Town. You carefully dodged the RVS, and then sat pretty on a mod-vote without even wondering about anything else. The mod has no alignment, players do.

[Tierce]

It's funny that you are not moving on at all.

[Tierce]

Ridiculous, that's how. How am I scum?

[Tierce]

Riiight.

Except that's not the full story on why I'm voting you and you know it.

You dodged RVS. A game being 'Not Normal' does not make it Bastard, it makes it a Theme of variable degrees of complexity. Vi is known for these.
You continued dodging RVS by abusing a cheap and easy Towntell of "let's see what this will do" by making a so-called 'simple observation' and sitting pretty on a pointless vote. It was not a 'simple observation', it was a

pointless

one.
Upon being called on this, you unvoted and continued sitting pretty on this pile of doing nothing relevant regarding the players in the game.
Upon being called on

this

, you voted for the person calling you out on scummy behavior.

So tell me: how does me

calling you out on scummy behavior

makes me scum? Are you

literally

voting someone

because that person is scumhunting

?

Really, how opportunistic of me for voting the person I think is scum. Fascinating how you also vote me and not Empire, who reportedly sheeped me. Your notion of 'opportunism' is bunk.

[Tierce]

EBWOP:

Really, how opportunistic of me

to vote

the person I think is scum.

Let's work on this Better English thing.

[Tierce]

Yo. I know who you are. How come you're apparently not the least bit paranoid of me here?

[Tierce]

NS isn't going to be lynched for a joking reaction to a joke

Except that's not what I'm voting him for. How many times do I have to repeat this? Why are you strawmanning the arguments for my scumread on NS instead of taking a stance on the points I

actually

brought up against him?

[Tierce]

Tierce, stop jumping down NS' throat, I don't see anything wrong with what he did. However, the lynch threshold is likely so we can't actually lynch the mod. tl;dr it's a joke move on.

It's not about what he did, it's about what he didn't do after Vi's first VC.

Tierce, who is Falcon?

Revealing other people's alts is bad form. I'm sorry that I have some more information than you do (about two people in this game, at least), but I won't do the revealing for them. If their meta becomes majorly relevant later on and it becomes a wincon situation, I will mull over this further, but at present, I won't reveal an identity that is not mine to reveal.

[Tierce]

Thanks.

Post 33. I am not going to repeat myself again.

[Tierce]

if Empire is an alt, then sheeping Tierce is superbadtell

?

Yeah no.

[Tierce]

Vi is being etc. Konowa is probably Town, carry on.

[Tierce]

Also, Tierce, if your comment about alts is partially directed at me, my "real" main's public and I have no problem with it being outed (I'm actually moving to this account as my main though) if people want me to.

It' not just about you, and yes, I know it's public, but it's not my business to out it myself, especially when I'm at a point where I don't see any game relevance in it.

[Tierce]

Thanks, Empire. ^_^

Konowa is Town for the way he approached the "I have some information" matter. 1) There is likely to be such a mechanic, not just because of the rules post, but because this is a Vi game and things tend to be

weird

. (Wait, I just noticed we have fixed deadlines. This is Vi-New. What is this uncharte

r

d territory? ) 2) If scum-Konowa was informed of such a mechanic, he would have mused it over with his scumbuddies and decided whether or not to share it with the Town, he wouldn't offer it up as something he

doesn't know

whether to discuss. Scum mentality usually isn't "oh, I'll let the Town decide what to do with this information" (whether or not he actually had it).

To put it in examples:
1) "There is something that might happen at the end of D1, I have no details" - could be from either alignment.
2)

[Clams up about real info]

- probably scum.
3) "Uh, guys, I have role information about D1, I don't know if I should reveal it, opinions?" - Town.

Scum is plenty willing to foist out responsibility for events and their 'decisions' on others, but not in a situation like this. It serves no scum purpose to act the way he has, and there is a lot of logic behind it being a natural reaction to having setup information as Town. Ergo, he's probably Town.

Or maybe I just like that lovely corona in his avatar. Who knows.

(Konowa is a player whose motivations are really interesting to puzzle out. ^_^)


...Mazikeen makes my posts sound all serious and less adventurous than Del. Hmm. Have to mull on this avatar change and yes I am rambling about it here.

[Tierce]

Hmm, turns out it was more 1) than I thought.

Okay then, I have role information that -something- is going to happen at the end of Day 1. I was going to post this in my first post, but I've never had anything like this so I didn't know what to do with the information. My only guess is that it pertains to Rarefaction perhaps?

...heh, I still think it was Town, he would either have revealed it earlier or not at all, mulling about it is Town attitude.

[Tierce]

@ Tierce, regarding Konowa, the reason you think is town seems really weak. Scum could potentially have asked town what to do with their info to make it seem like they want to hear town's opinion's about it. Also, unless I missed something, why don't say anything to Konowa about how he should use his info?

This doesn't make sense either:

Vi is being etc. Konowa is probably Town,

carry on

.

When have you ever told town to "carry on" as opposed to actively demanding that Player X needs rope. I've never seen you not try to take centerstage in any game that I've played with you or read where you were town. Although, admittedly, you never did this as scum either, so I am not sure what to make of it.

Why didn't

I

say anything to Konowa on how to use this info? I'm not his mother and I have no real opinion on how he should use it because he doesn't even seem to have much info. Vi is a master of vaguety vagueness ~foreboding~ ~~stuff~~. And no, again, I don't think this is the kind of situation where scum would ask whether to out it.

I said "carry on" regarding Konowa, as I think he's Town. What else am I supposed to do at present, cry out for NS's death? Empire is already doing that, I don't to parrot him. In addition, I have been taking plenty of center stage and obvTowning all up in this thread. I'd actually like to get reads on people and not just go "golly gee, I'm really Town" whenever I poke the game.


And thanks!

[Tierce]

No, I haven't. As you well noticed, my birthday is just over, and while it was a calm day, I did not spend it poking overmuch at my games. I think I may even have a pending question or two from people here, and there may be some points I want to clarify. But that and actually reading other people is going to wait until tomorrow, because I really can't be bothered to do so today. \o/ Too busy with new books and plushies and warm feelings. I don't want Tierce-needs-to-yell-at-people mood for a few hours yet.

Chill, kid. It's my birthday, it's All Hallows Eve, I'll get to it.

[Tierce]

the

Xalxe

, thus spelled

Thank you.

<--- is a good cultist

[Tierce]

So... the only person I'm legitimately caring about keeping alive for now because I really can't be bothered reading the rest

would be a shaky townread

? Give me some credit here.

(Actually,

have

you seen me produce good, solid townreads as scum? :/ That game was lousy, but as scum I can pick up on legitimate Towntells (kind of easy if I know the players are Town, anyway). If I didn't bring forth good Townreads in our game where I was scum, I can understand why you're digging, but--as I said, give me some credit, I use scum games to sharpen my Townhunting for future games. (>")>)

Wheee I'm rambling. It's past 3 AM, I'm off to bed.

[Tierce]

Tierce, where's your rage? You town-raged on me in another game when you thought I was scum, you scum-raged on Amrun in PARANOIA Mafia. I'm glad you're calm on your birthday but your changed demeanor is worrisome. Has it changed since we last played together?

Why is it worrisome if what you call 'rage' is alignment-null?

And as to where it is: under tight control, to be used when necessary. I'm not Fate.

[Tierce]

Don't strep all over yourselves to produce content, people. Or did you drink that much over Hallowe'en?

@saul: I don't get angry at random. I get annoyed if I think someone is ignoring obvious scum,

and

I have a bad tendency to argue with my scumreads that does not lead anywhere good. I see no point to throw a hissy fit out of the blue when I can analyze the game more logically, and have had plenty of 'calm' Town games.

(As a note: yes, I am aware of my meta, but randomly informing me of it at a point where it is irrelevant for lynching someone seems a rather bad idea--you're informing someone of what they should do to look Town in your eyes regarding meta. Now what would you think if I went all

Justice

wagon on someone, hmm?)

[Tierce]

Too much work. Will "you're wrong" do?

[Tierce]

Your lonesome vote isn't going to do much and I don't particularly believe you're Town, so.

[Tierce]

He's done nothing to convince me he's Town. But I'm still happy poking elsewhere.

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Hi there.

[Tierce]

Not really!

[Tierce]

Sadly for you, kiddo, I know things about balance and I know things about Vi, and it's pretty damn obvious you wouldn't have a triple vote in a micro, much less a triple vote that doesn't have speshul wording because Vi is Vi~ Go back to your homework.

[Tierce]

What do you expect the reason to be? "There are crocodiles on my balcony, sorry, my flat is turning into Animal Planet"?

I don't have to turn everything into a wall fight. In fact, I have no interest in it. This is not the Tierce & F-16_Fighting_Falcon Show.


PEdit: Sorry, didn't mean it as an insult or demeaning in any manner.

[Tierce]

Because being cryptic and unpredictable is fun. ^_^

[Tierce]

...Hold on a minute. Good news on the horizon!

UNVOTE: F-16_Fighting_Falcon
VOTE: Nobody Special

Shamrock, a moment of your time, if you please.

[Tierce]

I'm awesome like that.

Who are Shmugen's buddies?
And on a different flavor--where have you been and why is the 'where' not 'here'?

[Tierce]

Not really premature in a 9p White Flag game, no.

By 'where' I mean "why have you not posted in the last 36 hours and given no hint at content/a line of thought since that vote on Shmugen".

Go enjoy yourself. Just don't forget about this game.

--

@F-16_Fighting_Falcon: We get it. You're Town. Now go read Post 1 and see how you're missing something.

[Tierce]

(Or, you know, reread your role PM.)

[Tierce]

He is Town.

It's not so much about not remembering the White Flag wincon (I was shifting my PM folders around earlier and had a facepalm moment myself), but about not remembering he's supposed to be looking for three scum. If he were scum, he wouldn't just be presenting

pairs

instead of trios, and that's all he was doing until #153.

[Tierce]

Good thing Nobody Special truly hasn't seen anything to respond to and that he thinks sniping at others on matters that are not relevant to their alignment is enough, isn't it?

Especially when he's plenty active elsewhere.

saul, I'd love to say you're on to something, but Xalxe is Mr. Flaker Extraordinaire as Town at least, though I daresay it's pretty much alignment null. On the other hand, NS comes back to the thread once in a while with promises of catching up, but content? What is this thing?

(This is your chance to OMGUS him.)

[Tierce]

@Lilyvee: Please replace Xalxe.

[Tierce]

Umm... You do understand that there's a difference between someone who feels lucky to have five to ten minutes to visit the site each day and someone who posted two pages of posts elsewhere on site but is avoiding this game, don't you?

In case you don't: There are plenty of people in this game with several posts but minimal if any content. Then there's someone staying away from the thread entirely.

In fact, massive accusatory gestures in your general direction for this. You know Xalxe was Town in Open 403 (my Donner Party game), and that he flaked there while posting elsewhere (he also flaked

as Town

in Open 374, though you might not be aware of that), so... what the hell, hero? There are people for whom being absent is a scum tell, and it really pisses me off regardless of alignment, but you're trying to push this as a scum tell for a specific person on whom you have this-is-not-a-scum-tell meta.

How do you like them hemp rope nooses?

[Tierce]

UNVOTE: Nobody Special
VOTE: saulres

[Tierce]

That's an L-1. You're all warned, no derphammers please.

[Tierce]

Tierce: The first townpoints I gave her were for

40

. She asked you the same thing I wanted to ask you, which is saying "Hey! How come you don't suspect me (Tierce)?" Scum could just sit back and not say anything, but she drew attention to the fact that you didn't express any suspicion of her. So some townpoints there.

The next comment in my notes is when I got to

73

is "So obvtown by this point it hurts". I think what happened as I was going was I kept agreeing with her and suddenly realized it. And she continues to do pro-town things, like notifying everyone that I'm at L-1.

This

makes very little sense when one looks at the post numbers here:

Tierce, where's your rage? You town-raged on me in another game when you thought I was scum, you scum-raged on Amrun in PARANOIA Mafia. I'm glad you're calm on your birthday but your changed demeanor is worrisome. Has it changed since we last played together?

Why is it worrisome if what you call 'rage' is alignment-null?

That was actually bothering me too so I thought about it today, and realized it's because I made a mistake. I was remembering your rage vs. Amrun and thought it was in PARANOIA Mafia where you were scum, but it was really in Worst Roles where you were town. I also remembered you saying somewhere (I'll have to look for it when I have time) that you're all rage-like when you're town but more calm when you're scum, and

that

is what was worrying me. I just couldn't put my finger on that memory yesterday.

I don't see why someone with such a Townread on me would make such a fuss about me not bringing fire and brimstone to the thread; i.e. there is little reason for Town-saulres-with-a-Townread-on-Tierce to suddenly go "wait, she's calmer than I remember her, this

must mean something

" instead of assuming a natural playstyle shift. It feels more like you were worried I was going to bring hell down on you-scum and decided to remark on it for Townpoints when you found it absent; that is a train of thought that makes a lot more sense for scum-saulres than Town-saulres.

As for the Townread itself, it seems such weak reasoning. You've seen me as both alignments and had more elaborate reads on me with a lot less self-referencing. I'm not you and I don't particularly care what you say you thought at instance A or B, as going through the thread there is no actual evidence that this was what was going through your head at the time. It feels more like pandering to me than anything else.

[Tierce]

What's more:

The first townpoints I gave

[Tierce]

were for 40. She asked you

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

the same thing I wanted to ask you

, which is saying "Hey! How come you don't suspect me (Tierce)?" Scum could just sit back and not say anything, but she drew attention to the fact that you didn't express any suspicion of her. So some townpoints there.

Why would

you

want to ask

this

of F-16_Fighting_Falcon? My question had a very explicit purpose: we have played together before and he was incredibly paranoid of me in our last game. However, we are talking about an alt account here, and there was a very clear reason why

I

would feel his Townread on me merited prodding (our previous history together), while it makes no sense for anyone else to question his Townread in such a manner, since

no one else

has our history together. So once more, I think this is pandering to me, trying to show you're thinking the way I'm thinking--but it is nonsensical for Town-saulres to think in this manner, because

you are not me

. I would see sense in Town-saulres to ask if we had had history together (Xalxe even asked who he was, for example), but you didn't do that. Your 'thoughts' make no sense from a Town perspective.

[Tierce]

Do you think NobodySpecial is town now, or is he bussing Saulres?

Not telling~

[Tierce]

talking about you like you were conftown

Holy exaggeration batman. Evidence, please.

Get back in here, F-16_Fighting_Falcon. One scum at a time.

[Tierce]

@F-16_Fighting_Falcon, regarding saulred:

How about the inane misrepresentation of how you were acting toward me to justify feeling like he had to ask a question that made no sense? i.e. the entirety of Post 183 is perfectly valid. Go look at your own ISO and see if there was any sign of you treating me any way close to 'confTown' by Post 39, then see how absurd it is that, for saulres, it would make sense to inquire about your nonexistent paranoia about me

when saulres hasn't seen us play together before

.

Seriously, look at this:

In response to 183: I wanted to ask F16 about his 39 because it was another example of someone's post that seems to imply alignment knowledge. He offered a couple of "possibilities" to explain your actions. Neither of them included "she's scum". I didn't think his townread on you, based entirely on breaking the RVS circle, was strong enough to be talking about you like you were conftown.

1) You were not talking about me like I were confTown.
2) He's trying to sell "F-16 didn't posit the possibility of Tierce being scum when describing Tierce's actions as proTown" as something suspicious and worth prodding. What? So... you explain a Townread, but it's "indicative of extra knowledge" that you don't posit the Townread being wrong? How does this even make sense as a Town mindset? saulres isn't one of that ridiculous minority of players for whom "D1 Townreads are scummy", so why is he trying to push

a Townread out of an RVS action

as "something that hints at too much knowledge"?

(Answer: he's scum.)


2. is bush league, Shmutaloo.

[Tierce]

If the second, nah, I'm happy for myself that I put that together. Square peg goes into square hole, yeah, but I did it myself for once.

The second, actually. You're right here (well obv~) and it's usually a pretty good Towntell. TBH it's Vi's fault that that one is no longer really trustworthy when it comes to me.


Aaand there he goes. So, saul (res, not red, oops), let's be clear: you're saying that

not waffling on a RVS-born Townread

by post 39

is scummy?

Honestly?

Are you

seriously

going there?

Oh my.

So how come you gave me Townpoints for my Post 40, where I was clearly not waffling on Konowa? It doesn't matter that I explained it later and gave an explanation for it--you clearly gave me Townpoints for a not-waffling Townread on the post I first made it. So why is F-16's Townread on Tierce suspect, but Tierce's Equally Unwaffly Townread on Konowa is fine?

[Tierce]

Speedwagons can also hit scum (I'd know; call me Apple Frittierce--or something--it's not really easy to make a joke out of that character name >.>). Speedwagons are also extremely easy to form in a game this size, so no, I am not particularly bothered by it. I see no point in trying to dissect the wagon for possibilities before there is a flip, as that is added work and much easier to do with

two

flips--Today's and Tonight's.

(With luck, I'm the one biting a bullet--less work for me overall~)

[Tierce]

Tierce, why do you think Saulres is pandering to you as a scum strategy? If he played with you before, he should know that

it wouldn't do him any good

.

Sadly, not really. I'm getting better at spotting these, but I'm still a sucker for subtle praise.

[Tierce]

ITT, shameless posturing by Nobody Special.

[Tierce]

Is this a typical white flag setup? I've never done one, do scum have a traditional wincon?

What does your Role PM tell you?

@ Saulres, did you find my 39 suspicious? If so, why are you voting the person I voted in that post? (Unless you think I am bussing Shmugen that early in the game).

I found it suspicious enough on my read-through that if I were following real-time I would have asked you about it. But I didn't read it real-time, and I have other notes on you that made me not as worried about that for now.

you're saying that not waffling on a RVS-born Townread by post 39 is scummy?

Where did I say that?

That's how you treat it when you call F-16_Fighting_Falcon's behavior "suspicious".

[Tierce]

...are you seriously expecting someone to go "oops

my

the scum wincon is X?"

We don't know it.

[Tierce]

No, I was answering 207.

[Tierce]

White Flag (Mechanic). It's a normal wincon.

But we don't know if it's the same here.

[Tierce]

Heh. I guess I can do NS. He lurks pretty much regardless of alignment, but that was some ridiculous posturing, and the "I'm going to sit back and only comment when I find something worth commenting on" excuse got old pages ago. At the very least, saulres makes an effort. (And scarecrows are just inherently cool.)

UNVOTE: saulres
VOTE: Nobody Special

I find Tierce scummy. It seems like she is trying too hard to persuade. Also, she personally appeals to me - in a way to get my vote. I've seen her do this before as scum but as town, her arguments are more general and directed towards a larger audience rather than specifically designed to get specific players to vote for her target.

You were online and unvoted my scumread, of course I'm going to appeal to you to revote. Feel free to peruse my games, I try to convince my Townreads to do what I want all the time. :3

[Tierce]

I appreciate F-16's pointing out that if we mislynch today that we'd be in Lylo tomorrow -- I didn't realize that at all. Therefore, I really think we should use all the time available to us in order to catch scum today.

This is the bestest and mostest important thing that NS sees in this thread that is worthy of remarking. And he sits on his saulres vote, on L-1, with no explanation, no further indication of what he actually is going to do, no nuthin'. He has plenty of time to be online and post elsewhere. It's extraordinary that he has no time or inclination to hunt scum in

this

game.

Yeah, I shouldn't have left this wagon in the first place.

[Tierce]

=========[]
[]=========

(Yarr.)

[Tierce]

...obviously the best move would be to

never action

, since there are the very likely odds of:
1) hitting Town and turning them into scum;
2) being redirected by scum.

What's even worse: if you are Town,

you can supposedly turn yourself to scum

. Your role, as claimed, is essentially a self-recruitable traitor, or it can cause us to lose N1 if the scum have anything resembling a regular wincon (mislynch D1, turn Town to scum, N1 kill--it's now three Town v. four scum, wtf?). And you're rolefishing, which is really

awesome

on top of everything.

In addition, if scum know each other, turning a scum into Town can cause them to out their ex-partners (see what F-16_Fighting_Falcon just said). There is no way this claim makes sense, it's incredibly swingy however it's used.

(And 'Rarefied' Townie, in addition, doesn't really seem like the wording Vi would use. I'd see "Rarefier" as much more likely.)

This dies now. Hammer, please.

[Tierce]

How on earth would it be modkillable, if they are outing elements of a faction they are not part of? That makes no sense. That is why scum usually have cult-recruitment immunity or something the like (dying, for example), because

recruiting scum into another faction causes them to out their partners

. This is

obviously

perfectly legal in a game: saying they wouldn't be able to do so is like saying a cop can't claim a guilty.

This needs rope. Please to be doing so.

[Tierce]

You want to know why his claim is not true, F-16_Fighting_Falcon?

You win when

two of the three scum

in this game are dead.

Please explain how this wincon can EVER allow for four scum to be alive, which is what NS's claim says can happen. Vi has had loopholes in wincons before, but never something that outright contradicts a role. What would happen if NS's role turned Town into scum? How many scum would we have to eliminate then? Two? Three? Do you know? I don't.

It just doesn't make sense as a role. I think it's fake, I think he's lying scum, and I want him dead.

[Tierce]

I think NS's role is completely fabricated and has no regards for balance in this game, therefore has no actual link to Konowa's knowledge claim.

Also, Konowa was exhibiting some scum-like avoidance of the thread earlier. Check his iso.

Kindly eat rope, Mr. Let Me Not Post For Days While Someone Else Is Being Wagoned In My Place.

[Tierce]

Yes, your avoidance of the thread was Perfectly Townish Look At Me I Am Doing So Much Effort To Scumhunt.

Rope goes here. ^^^

[Tierce]

Give it 24 hours, please. Input from others = good.

[Tierce]

there are the very likely odds of:
...
2) being redirected by scum.

Why do you see a scum redirector as a "very likely" role for this setup?

It was shorthand for redirected/roleblocked/otherwise affected. A game this size has to be carefully crafted to not lead to D1 massclaim being game-breaking. Manipulative scum power roles are one of the ways of doing it, and Vi likes giving such abilities to scum.

A redirector would be the most dramatic, as NS's "I claim so now Town is welcome to direct me" statement opens this action to scum tampering, like a redirection (if one of their own is being openly targeted, change the target), or a bus drive (change targets and alter who it hits).

I

do

know that Vi has used scum redirectors before; as an example, see LLD's

Unleash Tierce

(!) ability here.

[Tierce]

Hammer please. We've waited enough.

[Tierce]

...that explains the Triplicate.

Yes, I'm an Innocent Child. I'm not claiming the rest of my role.


This just got a lot more interesting. So--go on. Do your thing. I'll be here petting a puppy.

2) If one of the cells lynch scum, can we make associative tells based on the scumflip for our cell?

Uhm, obvious? That's what D1 was for.

[Tierce]

I have to think what this means for NS's role. This changes a lot of stuff.

Viii I don't have good memories of the times I've been confTown. At least this time I have a puppy for comfort. uo.ou

[Tierce]

Okay, my cell is the

last

to lynch. No discussions here (and not like you can change that since I'm the one holding the vote~)--I'm confTown, I'm the one person you don't want silenced by a wrong lynch. If we hit scum in the two other cells, great, I'm spared going through the pain of 3p LyLo; otherwise, Puppies will save the Day, etc.

[Tierce]

...?

No, Shmu. This is THE game. We have three lynches.

[Tierce]

Lynch II and III will be Parts II and III.

[Tierce]

Tierce, who is in possession of the Puppy

How many times did I ask if I could adopt it? HOW MANY TIMES?

Not enough~ U^.^U

I would like everyone's opinions on massclaim before voicing my own.

[Tierce]

If anyone can tell me how changing someone's faction before we were rarified, thereby invalidating the entire setup (you can't go 3x3 with one scum in each cell if there are 4 scum), would be an actual role in this game, I'll change my avatar to anything they want for the duration of the game (as long as it doesn't violate site rules or is otherwise illegal/immoral).

Don't do this. Avatar/sig bets are actually frowned upon.

[Tierce]

[vote: NS]

What is this?

[Tierce]

wait until the rest of the town says hi.

I would like the director chiming in and catching up before any lynches go through.

In addition, I dislike this claiming process. Popcorn it. Shamrock, who's next?

[Tierce]

Popcorn to the next to claim, please.

[Tierce]

^ This needs rope.

[Tierce]

That saulres read is Clairvoyant McScum work. 1) Fake and 2) Forced out of nothing Town with half a brain would consider a Towntell.

(Uhm, obvious point, Cell 1 can just crossvote and sit pretty.)

[Tierce]

I'll have to meta the director later today. Should be a fun one, but yeah, all he has said so far reeks of fake.

[Tierce]

That combined with F16's scummy reaction to the start of day 2

Oh, you mean the one you had too, that eager "I'm obvTown" bit. Great then! Except that's not scummy. Next!

I've seen scum do avatar/sig bets. There goes your pretty little theory. You are also ignoring most everything F-16_Fighting_Falcon has posted so far and how it makes him Town, including my assessment of him. (No wonder, since you're scum and calling one Town so firmly means you have to ignore the other one's Towntells.) That's the one lynch

you

have to get right, and you're going "oh psshh it's already won". Not even the least bit of paranoia when there is a 67% chance that lynch will go wrong. Your posturing and extra knowledge is showing.

Don't lynch before I do some meta work here, please.

[Tierce]

Speaking of you being a VT with a role name...

@Everybody: Does anybody else claiming VT have a role name?

He's not a VT, and his role name is perfectly fine with Vi-spec.

[Tierce]

No, he's not claiming vanilla. He's saying he has no other ability but that knowledge. It's a passive ability.

Vi-spec: Vi game speculation. Yes, I am disagreeing with you.

[Tierce]

What makes you think he has more concrete information than what he provided already?

[Tierce]

It still makes no sense at all. It cannot work in the current format of the game--and if used before it, it would completely throw off the game. In addition, I know he hasn't had some kind of weird use of it on me (i.e. that my LyLo cell hasn't been tampered with), as I have had my role from the start. NS is scum.

[Tierce]

Actually disagree. First NS. If he flips Town, my cell is next--50/50 chance is better than 33/67 chance. By that time, if I'm silenced, it won't matter because it will be a loss, so...

[Tierce]

Still: no lynching before I go through meta, please.

[Tierce]

Don't really see any reason to drag out the NS lynch

Because I have a bloody stupid power complex, that's why.

(I have control issues. And a puppy. And why yes I

do

have to do everything. Give me a day or so.)

[Tierce]

Mmkay.

Feel free to lynch NS.

[Tierce]

Ding!

Will be going through game more later today, please no rush... again.

It seems pretty obvious: F-16_Fighting_Falcon is ridiculously obvTown now that Nobody Special's flip has revealed there is no such thing as alignment changes (i.e. that it makes no sense for scum-Falcon to talk about scum pairs and scum pairs alone), and saulres's appeal to Nobody Special's role use when NS was dead scum walking also doesn't seem to make much sense from a scum-saulres point of view.

But I'm nothing if not paranoid to an impressive degree, so give me a while to go through things.

Shamrock, Shmugen, your input here is most precious. Feel free to play with the puppy.

[Tierce]

To be fair, I do find it annoying that NS hasn't responded to the FOS on him yet.

Doesn't take much to annoy you, does it?

While I've been burned by scum throwing catfights at each other, this still doesn't seem like something NS would say to a scumbuddy.

[Tierce]

Konowa? Empire? Where are you two?

[Tierce]

Not sure about the director which is why I'm waiting on the meta research conclusions; his reads are terrible and tonally he comes across as overblown but given his recent join date, he could just be new and uh...not very good at mafia.

This is not going to happen before you give your own opinion. I'm confTown, I have a puppy, I don't need any sheeplings.

What do

you

think about the director and why?

[Tierce]

Lynch it.

[Tierce]

which is why I'm waiting on the meta research conclusions

Empire is hardly helpless, and apparently does meta research himself. This refusal to actually

do something

himself when he

has

been online--yeah, it doesn't give me good vibes about Empire at all. As far as I'm aware, he is uncomfortable playing scum and has issues producing results. This matches his behavior here so far; I think that post 250 was very forced and an attempt to show work that doesn't actually fit his Town play.

[Tierce]

Sure, do that when Vi won't be around for several hours *shakefist*

Here's hoping that ends it.

[Tierce]

Za~

Yarrf!

Thanks for modding, Vi. Thanks to everyone for putting up with me~ It's good to know my reads were great once we got into Rarefaction and I could cross out most associative tells pairings. Some of those Towntells were pretty spectacular, people need to spot such things more often.

Town played well and it is a very deserved win (if I say so myself ), but admittedly, the scum weren't stellar.