[M] Micro 237: Greatest Idea Mafia - (Hunger ENDGames)

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Natirasha

Always the safest place to start.

[Natirasha]

I'm also going to say that I hate it when Maestro rerolls. I get less interesting choices every single time he does so. I went from being a Lyncher Mason Lover to a Town 1-shot dayvig to bleh.

Silently +1ing this statement.

[Natirasha]

I'm also going to say that I hate it when Maestro rerolls. I get less interesting choices every single time he does so. I went from being a Lyncher Mason Lover to a Town 1-shot dayvig to bleh.

Silently +1ing this statement.

Loudly asking what you mean by that...

Just saying my roles got less interesting over time.
Werewolf JoAT
Cop Lover

[Natirasha]

Because Goons don't do anything cool? Just shoot people. I'd rather have interesting night actions.

[Natirasha]

Which one is your preferred alignment and why?

As I have gone on record numerous times, I prefer to play third party roles and in terms of TvM, I'm completely indifferent on. Trust me, sister, if I had been given the option to take Cult Recruiter or Serial Killer, I would have taken them in a heartbeat.

I didn't, though. You gotta work with what you have.

[Natirasha]

I believe you two are referring to separate games... But I am not mafia this time, that much I can guarantee.

VOTE: Lucky2u

[Natirasha]

^5 Nati

Hell yeah!

[Natirasha]

They are prob. wrong, I know Lucky is easy lynchbait and I'd give at least 1 day to sort him out.

How do you explain that suspiciously specific denial?

[Natirasha]

He likes to make jokes, not sure where that specific denial comes from tho, I believe he meant scum since I'm not sure how much he's used to this setup where there are scum factions other than mafia. Looking at my question I didnt speficially ask if he wasn't scum, I asked if he was Town and he replied that he guaranteed that he's not mafia.

Hmm maybe I need to look over that.

P-Edit:
@Bulb: And what is something substantial enough for you to use your vote in times of low information like this?

I like to make jokes about being scum too. Notice, though, when I do it people don't vote for me? That's because I structure the statement in such a way that the intent is clear. I'm telling you, Sakura, that his statement was structured in such a way to be passed off as a joke while maintaining a modicrum of truth. Trust me, if there is one thing I can do no this site, it's read tone--and that tone was not meant to joke.

[Natirasha]

Hmm I do see your point, but I don't see any need to rush this day?

Fair enough.

[Natirasha]

Nah I kinda like it.

[Natirasha]

Nope, I'm IC.

Is this a legit claim, Sakura?

[Natirasha]

ok

[Natirasha]

I know, but it's not worth dealing with at this juncture.

[Natirasha]

Not an accident, phrased this way on purpose. Atleast one of you already understands this %100. The rest of you... well you're big boys and girls, figure it out.

Can we kill it?

[Natirasha]

Bah. Masons.

I've got my eye on you, Lucky.

[Natirasha]

r u sucm guyet ?

[Natirasha]

"Yes, my last post was extremely uncharacteristic of town-me and I am turning myself in because you are a scumhunting god, Natirasha. If I say pretty please, will you not lynch me so I can nightkill you tonight?"

[Natirasha]

#75

[Natirasha]

How is it town you? I expect a 300 word essay by the time I wake up tomorrow.

[Natirasha]

I doubt Sakura would say that if she couldn't prove it.

Guyett, still awaiting my 300 word essay. I have never played with scum you, but I have both played and moderated town-you. I think it is a reasonable assumption for me to say that I am the player you have shares the most games with. All of that is a roundabout way of saying I think I have a working model of your town play.

More specifically, I know you read games well enough to know that you faking your confusion on Lucky was a lie. Your vote breaks of opportunism. That said, I think its also a fair assumption to make that you are not on Lucky's scum team, and on the whole, I am kind of fond of you, Guyett, so I want to push this guy first.

Lucky's more scum that you straight up.

[Natirasha]

You sound dejected. Where's my fun-loving Guyett?

Also, you're town tell is showing.

[Natirasha]

Well, that would be spoiling the fun. Its better if I don't tell you, anyway--go ask TIP about when I found his town tell sometime.

In any case, I'm ready and willing to defend Guyett's towniness to the death now. We got a great block going in: Guyett, Sakura, me. Lynch Lucky(he's at L-1) and move on. He deserves it for claiming mason like that anyway.

[Natirasha]

Mason just means not mafia, Guyett. You can have a werewolf mason or an alien mason or a cult mason or an SK mason. I think. That's just what they were saying on page 3.

[Natirasha]

...

[Natirasha]

You know, I'd like to know why you feel that way regarding Guyett. Specifically regarding his "town tell", you know the one you put zero elaboration into.

No on the grounds of meta reasons.

His posts otherwise have the perfect amount of town-yoloism to them that I come to expect from Guyett.

[Natirasha]

Guyett does stupid stuff as town. As scum, he tends to be a little more down to earth. Here, the emotions and tone behind our conversation on page three strongly suggest town to me. His putting Lucky to L-1 also seals it.

Anyways, if were not going to lynch claimed scum, I like this vote.

VOTE: miltitos

There is scum between the Lucky wagon and within us four, SKrew and I had the natural reaction, Guyett's is a yolo-vote, which leaves Miltitos.

[Natirasha]

And do you have anything substantial on Mitilos aside from POE?

(Ignoring the Lucky stuff cuz wagon is disbanding)

Sure, he sheeps me and SK's vote then tries to push the joke angle. He's hard lurking and not offered a single thought on anyone besides Lucky. Not an amazing case, I know, but what can you do with a guy who only has 5 posts, but is obviously paying attention to the thread?

[Natirasha]

That was...easier than expected.

[Natirasha]

What if I was bluffing the town-tell, SK?

[Natirasha]

What experience do you have with scum Guyett?

None that I'm aware of. But, knowing Town!Guyett to the level I do is as good as knowing scum!Guyett.

In this conveniently-posted-today quote in a game that just ended, Guyett even admits that I know how to read him.

Why did you give up on the Lucky wagon?

Who says I have?

[Natirasha]

If you have no experience with scum Guyett, then how do you know how he plays differently? If he's emotional and irrational as town, what's stopping him from easily faking that as scum?

Nothing. In truth, I kinda want to see him prove me wrong so I can add the data point to my list.

You unvoted, said it's disbanding, and seemed to stop pushing it.

Found a better vote. Lucky could--and still likely is--scum. I think that miltos and Lucky are either bussing or crossvoting.

Also, was your scumread of Guyett in post 92 a lie too?

Part fake, part real, part test. That whole post had the undercurrent of me putting on some theatre, if you noticed.

[Natirasha]

Everyone who wasn't on the wagon had already said they didn't want to be on the wagon and was throwing those "it's just a joke" excuses at him.

[Natirasha]

One thing.

Do we know if he even has a fellow mason?

[Natirasha]

That statement either needs a comma or a wtf, Lucky.

[Natirasha]

Meh... I was hoping to avoid

outing Disturbed

. Sorry btw. Totally my fault.

Bolded the confusing part.

Either should be phrased
"Meh... I was hoping to avoid outing, Disturbed." or you should use less ambiguous speech and just say he's your mason.

[Natirasha]

Hmm?

[Natirasha]

You claimed?

[Natirasha]

Was my leap on Lucky opportunist too? We literally both jumped on him within less than a minute of each other.

[Natirasha]

r u sucmradig me DO?

[Natirasha]

I have no strong feelings on Bulbazak at this moment. I will, however, I have you down as a strong town read. Extrapolate from that as you wish.

[Natirasha]

Your case is stronger than his defense.
The lyncher stuff especially is retarded on his end.

I'm keeping my cards close here, sorry(mostly due to Quote Stripe Apathy).

[Natirasha]

Oh sorry, I missed that question. That was "elaboration" on the Bulba-SK dialogue.

I had a strong townread on you starting from the lucky vote--we were both thinking very similarly. Throughout the rest of the thread, you have taken the role as lead Inquisitor to the town, challenging stances and gathering information. I have found myself finding your logic most agreeable throughout these dialogues. Given the player list, I find it unlikely that scum would try to build hard cases like yours.

[Natirasha]

Ok I am all caught up!

VOTE: skrew

Bulba makes a better case than Skrew.

And drumroll for worst-sounding vote of the thread!

[Natirasha]

[quote="In post 305, SleepyKrew"][/quote]
Who ignores games a lot.

[Natirasha]

Mason with a partner is kinda like strictly better than cop. I don't blame someone for dodging Cop one bit.

[Natirasha]

What question?

[Natirasha]

Oh, I didn't really care. I don't actually think it accomplished anything.

[Natirasha]

Because it literally doesn't do anything? Of course they're going to say they discarded a town role.

[Natirasha]

Yeah, okay, but you realize that it won't help you find fakeclaims on CONFIRMED MASON BUDDIES.

[Natirasha]

Ugh
You don't see the potential benefit in someone that's claimed also claiming their alignment card? Really?

Not really. They are going to choose a town role no matter what, so it doesn't really matter.

[Natirasha]

Nati: It limits scum fakeclaims. Come on. This is simple. Of course they could be lying. But you can't claim after you die. Do you get it yet

It does?

[Natirasha]

Oh? We all drew from the same deck?

[Natirasha]

...

Yes
how could you possibly not know that/easily figure it out

I've only ever played modless greater on skype before...

[Natirasha]

Popcorn from DO?

[Natirasha]

He claimed and I trust him more than Lucky.

[Natirasha]

Lalala VT lalalala

Popcorn mititalos

[Natirasha]

Sure. I do have a night action.

[Natirasha]

Why doesn't it? My night action isn't even interesting.

[Natirasha]

Alright, sure, I could be lying about the VT thing. I'm not, though.

I had three cards--VT, Goon, and X. X has a night action and actually does something, so by default it was my role card. I had a choice between mafia or town. From my experience in Chat mafia greater and stuff, mafia is the most disadvantages faction in Great/er/est idea. I chose to side with the town. Woo hoo.

[Natirasha]

Because, as a person, I am capable of having multiple reasons to deciding which alignment to choose? Like, I didn't feel Sakura's question was worth going to in-depth reasoning for my choice at the time. I still don't.

[Natirasha]

Currently ambivalent on the Who push. I've found he's very....schizophrenic...in his posting habits. The tentacled townie thing is curious, though.

Bulba I need to reread sometime(currently busy reading Steel Ball Run, though, so kinda distracted). I will maintain my previous statement that I have SleepyK as a strong town read, so extrapolate as you wish.

Mitlitos, I'm more unsure on, but I still don't like him per say.

[Natirasha]

Don't take post seventeen out of context, Sleepy.

[Natirasha]

On the phone, in the car. Will explain further when I get home.

[Natirasha]

K so the point is Sakura asked me a generalized question, "what alignment do you like to play" and I gave her a generalized answer--i prefer being a third party, and am completely indifferent to being town or mafia. I selected Town this game because being a mafiate is disadvantaged by the setup and because being essentially a goon(I'm essentially a vt as is) is boring.

[Natirasha]

In your eyes, perhaps. They're about equal in mine. My role assists the town more than scum, though, so that's ANOTHER factor towards it.

You're free not to buy my other reasoning(or all of it), but like, we're starting to get into philosophical/preferencial debates and I don't think either of us is going to be swayed.

[Natirasha]

All I can muster at the moment is a *yawn* but rest assured I am processing these posts.

[Natirasha]

@Nati: Then you better come up with something better than a yawn next post.

P-Edit: See that's what i meant.

Well, stop being boring.

[Natirasha]

I will get to the stuff from the end of yesterday in two hours. However, I need to look at the role list right.

[Natirasha]

So which one of you fuckers is a psychomagnet?

[Natirasha]

Nati's been active on site and posted in multiple games
He's avoiding this one

In regards to this statement, I apologize. On weekends, I am on mobile. On a weekend in which a high-profile release comes out(Pokemon XY) I actually am even less inclined to post. I was active elsewhere on the site in games I deemed a margin more important/games I'm more emotionally invested in. This wasn't the only game I was ignoring. Although I admit I was avoiding this game.

I want to hear more from Nati. I don't like his cavalier attitude to the Who wagon. He's starting to look like scum allowing a lynch to happen, because it suits his agenda.

I was ambivalent on the lynch because Who didn't ping me as particularly scummy, but he didn't particularly ping me as town either. So, yes, I 'let the lynch happen' because I didn't really care about Who. Sue me. If the push had been on DO or SleepyK I likely would have been a bit more proactive(although note the reasons above).

[Natirasha]

So which one of you fuckers is a psychomagnet?

What makes you say this? Did you get a reversed result somewhere?

Psychomagnet is the one that lightning rods someone(not the result reverser), and my action ended up targeting myself last night--I didn't target myself.

[Natirasha]

Tho that would explain no one dying as it would more likely lightning rod mafia's kill and a protection towards you as well.

Yup, that or an Alien faction exists.

[Natirasha]

Well if it's a doctor and a pyschomagnet both allied with the Town then mafia wont be able to get a NK through ever, because the psychomagnet can easily make both target the same person nullifying their kill, in turn this also makes it impossible for other PRs to use their abilities correctly, as it will be the psychomagnet controlling the investigations, etc.

If the psychomagnet is allied with the mafia all he has to do is not lightning rod someone so mafia can kill and if the doctor is allied with the mafia all he has to do is not protect.

What makes you think you were probed instead of protected if you knew that you targetted yourself?

What? No, I just meant that in the case that there is no mafia in the game(which is likelier than you'd think considering half the fucking game discarded scum roles & we have 3 confirmed not-mafias, and the only scumfaction is aliens, then they only have one nightkill in the game--they could have easily elected not to utilize it last night.

And Psychomagnet is 1-shot, Sakura.

[Natirasha]

I'm not opposed. I'll even go first if the town wants me to.

[Natirasha]

I said, even if I was wrong about Nati being scum. That is, if he turned out to be town.
The idea was that I was going to redirect everything to someone I suspect. So that, if there is a kill, it will be on someone who I thought was scum. And even if I was wrong about his alignment, there was also the chance of a protective role. This would mean there would be no NK, so I was happy with my choice of action, either way.

Main problem now is trying to figure out if there is an alien faction or a protective role(or both).

That's the main thing a massclaim would solve, but i'm not sure if that actually accomplishes anything in regards to scumhunting.

[Natirasha]

why are you assuming there is an alien faction instead of werewolf or mafia? Are you discounting the possibility of 2 scum factions?

I'm mostly just discounting a basic mafia faction due to the discarded roles+3 confirmed not-mafias.

I also find it kinda unlikely we have a protective role with this player list, based on general trend of player behavior.

Which leads me to the alien faction.

[Natirasha]

If what militos says it true and that he psychomagneted Nat then there could have been numerous kills on him :shrug:

you shouldn't discount basic mafia due to discards

Perhaps I shouldn't. And I can confirm that I was psychomagneted via my role returning a result on myself when I actually targeted Lucky.

[Natirasha]

I thought the alien faction only had one night kill throughout the entirety of the game?

[Natirasha]

Anyway... As I said before, I mostly voted him to let the PR night actions solve this game. I never actually said I thought he was scum. After thinking about what Guyett said, I came to the conclusion that if the wagon was right, we got scum, if it was wrong we got a VT and the PRs could get us some better info to go on.

Having said that... WTF psychomagnet?! That was a completely anti-town time to do that. We will never have as many PR results as day 1 in this setup, so instead of letting investigations and other actions take place you decided "lol, no info for town to go on!". Hell you probably sabotaged me since Nati targeted me (with what I don't know) and could have helped prove me town.

Concerning how a psycho magnet works. Something that I would like to bring up is that if a doctor did get redirected, I believe they only stop the FIRST kill... So only one night kill maybe? Unless more than one protection was done last night and more than one night kill was submitted. A mass claim may help solve that.

And talking about the mass claim.... 4 people out of 8 are already full claimed. Might as well finish it since the other 4 are half claimed.

@_@ psychomagnet makes perfect sense, especially considering he had fully telegraphed his actions and found me scummy.

VOTE: Lucky2u

[Natirasha]

Why exactly would I be scum?

I didn't like your reaction surrounding the Who wagon. You were playing it pretty safe. I also think you are hiding behind that role table, making it look like you're contributing, when you're really not.

Lucky is a much better lynch anyway.... his mason buddy doesn't trust him ffs

That doesn't mean anything. Besides, we can have our investigative roles sort him out if we really want to.

IIoA is a really antiquated scumtell, Bulba.

[Natirasha]

Nat: You should really haven't claimed targetting yourself with your action.

If I die, so it be.

[Natirasha]

IIoA is a really antiquated scumtell, Bulba.

And you don't think his immediate trust of Who's claim, waffling on the wagon, voting and pushing the wagon when momentum was going that way, his reaction at the start of the day, or his wanting to go last in a massclaim (all the better for a fake claim) have anything to do with his alignment?

I never made any judgment to the rest of your claims.

[Natirasha]

Lucky, you're not really helping your case.

[Natirasha]

That we should have killed you yesterday.

[Natirasha]

Didn't we go over this yesterday?

[Natirasha]

Where is Nat?

Busy in life. Plus, there's not much to do--I think everyone is just waiting for SleepyK to catch up.

It could be thought of as buddying or pandering, but 1) that's a null-tell

Buddying

is

a scumtell. Town really has no use to do so, as they don't need to get on anyone's good side. Scum need to, though, in order to survive. If you think an action is buddying, and that person flips town, then it wasn't buddying.

Also, why is no one voting Guyett-scum?

Alright, so here's the thing with buddying. It is a scumtell, but it's also something townies do on a regular basis--people naturally want to be accepted by others and make sure that they are not being suspected as both alignments. I think this is partly a mispurpose between Mtillios and your definitions of buddying, though.

[Natirasha]

For what it's worth, your unvote made perfect sense to me, Milsotos.

[Natirasha]

No, I'd rather lynch Lucky today and let you two fight tomorrow.

[Natirasha]

To expand on the wiki stuff, half the articles on the wiki are from, like, 2007-9. I remember most of those pages being added. The fact being, most are irrelevant in the common era(see: well, everything on Tar's Tells, but IIoA specifically) or just obvious truthisms,

Anyways this Bulba-Guyett back and forth is useless and I will sit here firmly on my Lucky vote until SleepyK gets back.

[Natirasha]

I don't like SKrew for scum...

[Natirasha]

Well if noone counter claims a protective role of some kind... Then how can a Guyett lynch even be considered?

VOTE: skrew

I wanted this one yesterday.

Why is every vote you throw so scummy looking?

Bulba, can we deal with SleepyK and Guyett tomorrow and lynch this fuck finally?

[Natirasha]

Bulba, can we deal with SleepyK and Guyett tomorrow and lynch this fuck finally?

I want us to hold off on Lucky today. Trust me. I have my reasons.

=/

[Natirasha]

It's the difference between conf. town or conf. scum. You'll have it on Lucky tomorrow.

Okay, so where does that leave us? I mean, of SleepyK vs Guyett, I'd have to lean towards Guyett on basis of play, but I like both of them...

[Natirasha]

Okay.

I'm going to see if SleepyK actually produces content soon.

[Natirasha]

Nat do you think I am scum?

Well, we know Sakura isn't. I'm willing to believe that DO isn't either. I know I'm not. That leaves four targets--Bulba, Lucky, you, SleepyK. I've established I want lucky killed dead. After that, I think that SleepyK is the most townie due to his interactions and everything day one--his day two performance has been pretty bad though. That leaves you vs Bulba, of which both I'm not entirely sure on.

I'm hoping that we just have a single scum so we kill Lucky and win.

Why are you asking? You're a psychomagnet...

Think...who claimed both a target and a result last night?

[Natirasha]

Would you say my play has been consistent through the game? Why has your read changed from 96

Um, you realize that was a page, like, 4 read, right? And, yes, your play's been consistent this game. I'm still processing the Bulba-you interactions, as it is, but I find your claim acceptable as it is. I mean, I'm clearly missing something if there have to be two scum--so I don't know.

Also you can be sure that there is at least 2 scum Nat, Maestro won't run the game with less than 2 scum or more than 4 scum

Oh? Did I fail to read the guidelines more?

[Natirasha]

If my play has been consistent and you had a town read on me due to a 'town tell' then surely I'd still be a town read now?!?

You'd think.

[Natirasha]

Wouldn't be to do with me putting you down as potential scum now would it

Nah, I think I'm on everyone's radars.

Reads decay is the correct answer, and others apparently find fault in you, so I'm likely missing something.

[Natirasha]

maybe others find faults in me as I am always an easy mislynch and they are scum pushing for it...

We shall see, Guyett. We shall see.

[Natirasha]

Well, in Rob's I had to pine for a mislynch on you.

Truthfully, I think that actions speak louder than words so we'll see tomorrow if you're town.

[Natirasha]

Read your PMs. I'm pretty sure he says so in there. Why do you think there were so many rerolls?

I knew the rules was that there couldn't be more than 4 scum, but I thought the minimum was 1 scum. w/e.

[Natirasha]

@Nat: You forgot me in post 890.

Yes and no. Yes in that I forgot you, no in that I don't think you Psychomagnet like that as scum and your activity+contributions have ramped up a lot since I first set my sights on you.

[Natirasha]

I'd still like to see that promised SK content.

The Fabled content.

[Natirasha]

Guyett - 0 [L-5]
Lucky2u - 5 [L-0] Natirasha, Disturbed_One, MItillos, Guyett, Sakura Hana
Mitillos - 0 [L-5]
SleepyKrew - 2 [L-3] Bulbazak, Lucky2u
Sakura Hana - 0 [L-5]
Natirasha - 0 [L-5]
Bulbazak - 0 [L-5]
Disturbed_One - 0 [L-5]

That one's on the house, Maestro.

[Natirasha]

Anyways I'm not worried about Sakura's hammer since our mod appears to be having VLA troubles right now(plus the whole IC thing).

Guyett's #928 seems off to me.

SleepyK's admitting to lurking through this is VERY suspicious as well since we were all waiting on him as it is. Shame for townreads to burn their towncred like that.

[Natirasha]

Based Mitillos saving the day.

[Natirasha]

Would you rather that I lied and said I

haven't

lurked through the day?

I'd rather you'd pretended to keep lurking so I could maybe justify it as saying you've been inactive across the site.

[Natirasha]

"Off" means I can't qualify the statement but something is unsettling about it.

[Natirasha]

I know you can't trust me, but I'm pretty sure Guyett is a scum doctor

If you're an SK we can trust your reads mostly.

[Natirasha]

So I derped and lynched scum... why cant i lynch scum when i dont derp.

You're adorable.

But that'd be false
Though if you read the posts I've been making you'd see that my chronic headaches have been really bad the past few days (which I think I said in this thread) and then yesterday I had to go take my citizenship oath

Yeah I feel for ya but like nothing over the course of four days is pretty shady when we were waiting for you.

[Natirasha]

Except you 1) didn't get to kill anyone and 2) you got lynched anyway.
Now I wish I was a lyncher, because I'd win and get out of the game at this point.

Is this a lyncher claim?

[Natirasha]

Still trying to decide my costume. Deciding between going as Scrafty and the Avatar from Fire Emblem.

[Natirasha]

I'm down to finish this massclaim. Sady, my results are pretty useless. As mentioned day one, I have the worst investigative role from Greatest.

[Natirasha]

I want SleepyK to go first.

[Natirasha]

If he does, we lynch him, it's that simple.

[Natirasha]

Disturbed was a confirmed Mason. Did you think his claim of Cop Lover alignment card was fake?

Could have been. As has been established, we only knew DO was confirmed

not mafia

. Although I disagree with Bulba's reasoning to investigate DO(he was pretty clearly obvtown in my book), he is a valid investigation option if Bulba is a seer/consp theorist.

[Natirasha]

Just have some patience guyett.

[Natirasha]

Fine by me, although I believe I already know Bulba's role.

[Natirasha]

So, um, how long until I can vote SleepyK?

[Natirasha]

Yourself.

[Natirasha]

I dunno, I don't think our claims are dependent on his, so w/e. You go first though, since my investigation might marginally be important.

[Natirasha]

I'm the town Conspiracy Theorist, you're not an alien.

Woo.

[Natirasha]

I got alien as a result of targetting myself.

[Natirasha]

Scum's definitely in {SKrew, Guyett, Bulba}, in that order of likeliness--from the way the game's going I'd suspect one scum left--I had actually forgotten this is technically MyLo. There would have to be some serious bussing or fake arguing going on for any of those three to make sense as scummates, IMO.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: SleepyK

Let's face it: is there anything his slot could possibly claim that will stop us from lynching him? It was the foregone conclusion yesterday and no different today. I'm bored and waiting for a replacement might take a while. I super doubt this is MyLo because the only set that makes sense from my perspective would be Guyett+Sleepy and I just don't think that is likely.

[Natirasha]

VOTE: Nat

Not happy with the Skrew wagon at all. The mod is searching for a replacement so lets wait to hear from them.
I'm really unhappy with Nat's claims for alignment and role cards.
Both of his claims (VT and conspiracy theorist) are multiple cards.
Now CT is able to investigate if a person is an alien but also investigates as alien. Skrew hasn't claimed but in theory could have a PR that investigates if the person is alien so Nat's claim could be covering his arse as he could actually be an alien.

I don't know what to tell you, Guyett, I'm sorry I was dealt such a shitty hand--I didn't like it either. Do you legit believe I'm NOT a CT? Because how do you explain day two at all then?

[Natirasha]

I think its a convenient fake claim forced on to you due to the psychomagnet on N1

??? Then how did I know there was a psychomagnet at all at the beginning of day two? Are you suggesting that my partner Bulba told me after being redirected to me? Or was it that Miltillos and I planned it by no killing, psychomagneting myself and hoping there were no other killing factions/investigative roles for our faction in the game? Or was I just insane and first thought the reason for a lack of a NK was a psychomagnet as opposed to a protective role?

The fact is, for the beginning of day two to make any sense I have to be an investigative role, and if you factor in my comments from day one in regards to my power role being weak, I must have been planning this fakeclaim for a long time. If you think I'm scum for other reasons, fine, whatever I guess, nothing I can say will convince you otherwise, but the line of logic here is bad.

[Natirasha]

Where did you say on D1 about a weak PR?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5356881
and numerous times thereafter.

You aren't scum with Militos, that much is undoubted.
In fact I am pretty sure Miltos is town

Agreed on both accounts.

Why would you discard goon?

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5356905
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5374898
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5375216
Needless to say, I've been over this before.

CT is the worst investigative role as it has the dubious advantage of miller like powers. However given those cards that have been claimed why would you chose to go for VT over goon?

I didn't know that CT gave miller powers when I chose it.

And because of reasons discussed above.

How do you know that there is even 2 scum on the same team?

I don't. I'm saying that your theory makes no fucking sense(ie fakeclaiming CT) unless I have a partner(which seems unlikely since I've copped heat from everyone at this point) or I am deliberately acting retarded.

The fact that you were so sure I was town on D1 as my "town tell was showing" and as you have said that my play has been consistent all game would indicate you still have a town read on me. That comment regarding the Robs bastard game would indicate you are only going against your earlier town read on me to push through an easy mislynch or set up an easy mislynch.

POE's a bitch.

[Natirasha]

Except no one pushed me yesterday and so I had no reason to fakeclaim yesterday? And following this line of logic, I have no reason to fakeclaim today?

As I said literally like five posts before, scum is {SleepyK, you, Bulba, Mitillos} in that order(ie SleepyK most likely). Although, the line between you and Bulba is pretty close.

PEDIT: I suppose you could consider a solo mafia as a third party, but I would rather not bank on that possibility when choosing roles--especially since there are the most mafia cards of all the factions.

[Natirasha]

SleepyK was one of my bigger townreads, but his play yesterday--especially at the end--was super suspect.
The gap between Bulba and you is pretty small all things considered, but what edged him out was that he's been aggressively pushing his scumreads more and in general has been a strong town-aligned leader since SleepyK went into lurking. The minus in his court is the odd DO targetting last night(which might have been a failsafe in case I was a tracker).

[Natirasha]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5401888
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p5403556
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5405967
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p5408513
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p5408530
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5408548
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5419157

A quick link to my trajectory on SleepyK over the course of yesterday.

[Natirasha]

I am much happier with you or bulba seeing rope than Skrew

Sell me on Bulba, Guyett.

[Natirasha]

Do you have anything else against him?

Eh, not really, but the active lurking is pretty damning in my eyes--he didn't even give an excuse or cop-out reads, he flat out said "Yeah I'm reading, but I'm fine to sit on the sidelines despite everyone forestalling the day just for me to catch up". It was in stark contrast to his play earlier, and he wasn't in the midst of siteflaking at the time.

[Natirasha]

but he admitted to lurking... I'd imagine that if scum were caught out active lurking they'd stop and start posting more.... Skrew just didn't care that people were on to him about active lurking.

Except as I said yesterday, the way I see it, I could at least

pretend

he forgot about the thread if he didn't admit to lurking it. The way he did it came off a not genuine to me.

[Natirasha]

np

[Natirasha]

Also I've a question.. does me being doctor explain my early play? Like I wanted to not stick out as PR but also not become lynch bait?

? I saw your play as normal for Guyett.

[Natirasha]

Skrew might be scum but nat and bulba must be scum. Tgis game is fucked for town.

Wut

Guyett stop being a dumbass.

[Natirasha]

Fuck you you scum fuck

Yeah drunk Guyett is town Guyett.

[Natirasha]

What are you thinking at the moment, mtisol?

[Natirasha]

I'm thinking you should answer my question from post 1100. I'm also thinking I want to wait until SK has returned or been replaced so his slot can make a claim, before I decide anything else.

My vote was p bad yeah, but I was kinda bored and I don't think I'm interested in voting anyone else today, especially cuz Guyett's pretty town now.

UNVOTE:

There we go

[Natirasha]

I'd rather kill SKrew, but if Milsaots and Sakura are convinced, I'll hammer.

[Natirasha]

Now SK hasn't been on since yesterday so if he was scum he couldn't submit a kill.

For the record, Sleepy's last post on site was the 26 and night started the 25th so there is a window of opportunity for him to submit a kill.

[Natirasha]

He's in the same Time Zone as I.

Night Start: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:37 pm
Last Post: Sat Oct 26, 2013 6:47 am

So there is an approximately 9 hour window in which he could submit it. Take that as you wish.

[Natirasha]

I'm with Msollito on this one.

[Natirasha]

Ew. Rocks.

[Natirasha]

Fuck Geology. Worst class I ever took three times.

[Natirasha]

Guyett, not alien, yawn.

[Natirasha]

Curious.

[Natirasha]

Why the person I intended to vote voted the way they did. I expected you to attack the low hanging fruit(me). Maybe you aren't scum...

Lemme go reread you and Mitillos.

[Natirasha]

I've been under intense scrutiny from, well, everyone, all game.

[Natirasha]

You think miti might have been trying to pin us against each other for an easy win perhaps?

[Natirasha]

I agree that scumslips are, well, misconstrued as much much more often than they actually find town.

I'm curious as to why you're afraid to vote Bulba, though--it will take a consensus of all three of us including Sakura to get anyone lynched, so the first vote is "free" so to speak--it feels kinda like faking cautiousness.

[Natirasha]

Honestly, I'm not seeing the argument to the next day. We have multiple missing kills as it is. I just don't see how we'd be missing a kill two nights--it'd require both scum to decide not to shoot Guyett after his doc claim & for them not to go for the other obvious target [[Sakura]] that night, instead both teams heading towards DO or someone trying to shoot me, which is just bad play since I'm was looking like a free lynch at the time(although I guess i did crumb an investigative role, so w/e). And it required both to target Guyett last night, which is more reasonable, but...still. It doesn't make sense.

I see no purpose in delaying the end of this game til tomorrow--all it does is make me a kingmaker(I don't -want- to be a kingmaker--see NikPick3 for the last time that happened) because unless both scumteams are dumb, they both shoot Sakura and we end up here again except we're in a legit kingmaker. The whole idea sounds dumb, I'd rather just end today while we still have a fourth voice, ugh.

[Natirasha]

I'm thoroughly opposed to a No Lynch. I know it's playing with fire, but I'm willing to take that chance to end the game in a timely manner--I'm kind of emotionally ready for this game to be over(also consider that from my perspective the only way there can be 2 scum factions is if you two are, and that's something I don't believe). -.-

Based on previous day's play, Bulba seems like someone who would be more likely to kill DO & he had the most reason to kill Guyett last night(besides the obvious). I investigated him yesterday over others for a reason, y'know. I also had Mitillos as a pretty strong townread.
Based on today' arguments, I find Bulba's argument on Mitillos much stronger, though.

Sakura seriously needs to get in here though.

[Natirasha]

I rly hate MyLo.

[Natirasha]

The only scenario where no lynch is correct is if Mit and Bulba are both scum, to make the prisoner's dilemma(obviously from your POV, Sakura, it'd be if 2/3 of us are scum). I don't think they're both scum, so I don't want to no lync because you're correct and it just kills you and puts me in a kingmaker, probably losing the game for the town.

[Natirasha]

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Natirasha]

Dice agree with me.

VOTE: Bulba

IM TRUSTING YOU MITILLOS DONT LET ME DOWN

[Natirasha]

Alright, who do you think is scum at this moment in a vacuum, with your intuition, Sakura?

PEDIT: Dice NEVER lie, Bulba. They're a confirmation-bias.

[Natirasha]

This is giving me a headache...

Well, then, who does your gut say is scum?

[Natirasha]

Why would you not claim watchlist townie before, Bulba?

[Natirasha]

I remembered my second role PM, which had VT cards galore. I recently found my actual role PM when cleaning my inbox. I decided to keep it under wraps, since it really didn't matter, it being the same alignment and all. I thought I might use it to catch overeager scum (Mitillos), and if I'm wrong, I rub this in Mollie's face (She says that keeping it secret that you messed up your role is a bad move as town.).

On a meta level, I agree with your play here.

[Natirasha]

You should use all the tools in the toolbelt and if you fuck up as town, sometimes it's best not to say anything.

[Natirasha]

rly need Sakura to take a stand.

[Natirasha]

Actually I'm kinda second-guessing myself right now.

UNvote

[Natirasha]

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (2) = 2

Original Roll String: 1d2

1 2-Sided Dice: (1) = 1

[Natirasha]

That's gotta be a sign.

[Natirasha]

Nati, how seriously you're taking all this truly amazes me...

The dice never lie, it's truth. Do you disagree?

[Natirasha]

Is random chance frivolous?

[Natirasha]

So I thought about it.

If I'm wrong, I'd rather Bulba win than Mitillos.

The dice agree with me.

I'm a sucker for gambits like he did.

VOTE: Mitillos

[Natirasha]

Why not roll a dice and find our, Sakura?

[Natirasha]

It never lies Sakura.

[Natirasha]

<3

[Natirasha]

Still yet to lose as SK.

[Natirasha]

Bah I'm mafia but solo mafia is an SK in my book.

[Natirasha]

To be fair, I have a history of flipping coins.

[Natirasha]

I think I did it in NikPick III.