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Why are you asking an answered question? Yeah you are trying to create confusion, scumdar is pinging you scum!In post 13, CherryDrPepper wrote:Why isnt Varsoon spamming yet?
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P-edit: Super big fos bulbazak for asking the obvious question for towncred!-
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Hardcore defending while using 'to be fair' to relate. Scumteam found p1 ggTo be fair, Cherry did miss things quite often in the previous game, including me putting Varsoon at L-1.
YunovotecherryIn post 18, Bulbazak wrote:You could always vote your scum buddy, Tier.-
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Why do you want him dead?In post 95, BBmolla wrote:Seriously though why isn't Obscurity dead yet
Ok...I don't have that much time on my hands...now I get the references though. I've been searching for the game but can't find it, link please?In post 89, Titus wrote: Tiershift, the players are almost identical with a few exceptions (you and obscurity being a couple). It's a mini normal (more players). Just a heads up, Day 1 broke the record for the longest day 1 in mafia scum history.-
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Yes my posts are very surface-level, most of them have been made in RVS. You are implying these posts haven't been helpful, which I don't agree with (if that isn't your first point you should explain further). They have got BB talking, at least.In post 109, Stuffed Crust wrote: why is tiershift not picking up votes? obscurity could too, but he is lacking in effort and seems easy. whereas tiershift has 15 posts which are very surface level and don't probe any further, plus it's the second time he's hopped onto a cheap vote and pegged it down as "sheeping" which I don't like.
Vote: TierShift
As for the sheeping, the first one (on BB) was to get some further reaction out of him, while the second (obscurity) is for one looking to disengage. If he would actually respond I'd be sooo happy. Furthermore, idg why sheeping in RVS is wrong.
How can you really complain about my posts being thin while you yourself have posted:
1. Saying you don't do RVS and the complaining when people tell you to vote
2. Some weird rvs vote analysis
3. This vote on me
4. Complaints about bulbazak.
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Where did I say your posts are oneliners? I was saying that I had contributed to the gameIn post 121, Stuffed Crust wrote:they go more in depth than 4 simple points like you've tried to paint it as. for example, i have explained my vote on you, and explained why I'm unhappy with bulba right now. but this deflection has been noted, because it's pretty obvious my posts aren't just one liners.
sheeping is not bad per se, but explain your townreads on the guys you sheeped? because it's basically hiding behind whoever you're sheeping and not doing much else. it's like you're trying to absolve yourself of blame if the people you vote flip town.at leastas much as you did, do you disagree with that?
Why do I need townreads on players I sheep in 1. RVS 2. when I vote for a scummy player?
Also I'm not hiding behind no one and I would take as much responsability wagoning as starting a wagon.-
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This. Do you really believe in it? I think it's weak. You present all of this as facts and general knowledge, supported with one game in which it is true. One game isn't proof and you should know that.In post 69, Stuffed Crust wrote:PoE and Statistics.
I've never been town in game where it has happened.
There's always at least one scum in the first two wagons, especially if they get pushed to L-2 or L-1.
It's too easy. In RVS, no one will be critical when you get a wagon rolling. All of the real focus gets put on the last few voters, which is hilarious.
Case in point, HipHopMafia.
I'd rather not see a repeat of those first few days.
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Another instance of vote analysis I think is goofy. How does the argument 'there is a variety of input and activity' support the statement 'there is at least onr scum on the wagon'?In post 131, Stuffed Crust wrote:@BBmolla: What makes you think that of FuDuzn? Also, why would you mention that he's a town PR or scum like that? It feels like you're trying to present FuDuzn as a high-risk/high-reward wagon, but I don't see the motivation for doing so.
Now that I'm reading over it, I don't like the BBM wagon at all. There's probably one scum there, given the variety of input and activity.
As for the other scum pool I'm considering, one of Tier, BBM, and Bulba is very likely to be scum as well.
That said, I'm sticking with my other head as far as the voting goes.
I can't see in any post that you think bb is town, especially not in this one.
Do you still think one of me, bb and bulba is scum? You seem to have dropped the suspicion of me and bb, how about bulba?-
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So you now have 2 pools of scum, one with 4 people in them and 1 with 2. I'm in both pools. Does this mean you are giving the other players a free pass? If you aren't, you are basically just outing possible scum so why the pools?
And does this all mean that if there is just 1 person left in a certain scumpool he is confscum to you?-
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In post 158, Stuffed Crust wrote: what doesn't feel right about our interactions with bulba? and define disengaging.
Why don't you two get on the same page, explaining verything twice is annoying as fuck. Even varsoon said he found your interactions with bulba stupid. You are just both accusing each other of disengaging, you are not talking with each other, but talking to yourself. There is no real interaction.In post 149, TierShift wrote:Well you said you don't do rvs. Doesn't give you a right not to post at all during RVS.-
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Ye discovered the uv one myself sooo proud.
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I didn't realize you wanted a response to that, but, well, here it is.In post 180, The Silver Bard wrote: TierShifts posts seems strange to me, and I get an unnatural feel to how he plays. His 113 and 126 feels overly defensive and his 143 feels very made up, I don't see why he ffels the need to comment on bbmolla in such a generic way, and I don't see what good his question at Obscurity will do, it just feels forced to me.
If someone attacks me, I defend myself. I answer all points being thrown at me, trying to invalidate as many as possible. That's how I roll. It's like what I'm doing now. I don't know what you mean by your comments on 143, I really don't understand what's forced about it and how asking obscurity questions is wrong.
I don't see the difference between our sheeps. Mind explaining?In post 200, Stuffed Crust wrote:@Tier:I'm allowed to be a hypocrite. There's also differences in the sheeps you've made and the one I just pulled. If anything, what's important is to discern the nature of a vote/sheep, and call attention to what is problematic in it. In that regard, we're operating on a similar level.
Even though cherry's vote was bad, I'm sooo tempted to hammer obscurity...(not actually stating intent)
Obscurity why just why are you annoying us like this?
P-edit: agreeing with bulba on fu, obscurity is just playing lynchbait on purpose while fu has gone hiding.-
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Why all this speculation about the vig?
There is a 29% chance there is a 1-shot vig and a 5% chance that there is a full vig, if my math is correct.
Are you all saying a 1-shot vig should shoot already?
Are you ready to let an obscurity lynch go on the slim possibility that there is a vig?
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Why don't you think obs is scum anymore?In post 244, BBmolla wrote:At this point I'm down to vote Fu, I don't even really think Obscurity is scum anymore (if he could just post like, twice a frequently, he'd be wonderful).-
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Okay wait. Your point is that because of the fact that bulba has 2 votes on him, he's thinking he is getting lynched and because of that, he's attacking you? Wow strong logic, why don't you respond to the actual points he brought up, instead of using self-meta to not have to answer them.In post 258, FuDuzn wrote:His reaction to my vote was initially much more calm, he knew it was early and didn't have to worry about it. Now as time has gone on and he still has two votes on him, from two players who have been fairly inactive and theoretically will not be around to remove their votes, he starts attack said players to make them look bad.
He is honestly afraid of being lynched(generally speaking scum are more afraid of this), so he is projecting suspicion and doubt on to me.probably since he feels I won't be around much to defend myself.
*drops mic*
BB is...different. Please add more to this, as the point is fairly stupid as of now.In post 265, FuDuzn wrote:You seem out of sorts, your faux pas of referring to an ongoing game is a big part of what I am talking about. Maybe aloof was the wrong choice of words, but you just seem different from other games I have played with you when you were town. And no I don't have many other specifics to cite, just your general vibe you have going this game, I can't shake it.
Mark my words, this BB boy ain't right.
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In post 282, CherryDrPepper wrote:Tell me where the scum motivation is in lynching people he calls town. Town motivation is get rid of liabilities. Wouldnt you think scum would be like this? They'd be far more likely to just, uhm idk, insist that someone is scum?
Looks like a misrep to me.In post 283, Titus wrote:Sakura or DP, are you seriously asking my why scum would want to lynch town?-
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Cherry says that scum don't lynch their townREADS, you ask why they wouldn't wanna lynch town.In post 298, Titus wrote:
Why does that look like a misrep?In post 290, TierShift wrote:In post 282, CherryDrPepper wrote:Tell me where the scum motivation is in lynching people he calls town. Town motivation is get rid of liabilities. Wouldnt you think scum would be like this? They'd be far more likely to just, uhm idk, insist that someone is scum?
Looks like a misrep to me.In post 283, Titus wrote:Sakura or DP, are you seriously asking my why scum would want to lynch town?
I'll do some more in-depth reactions to the last posts soon.-
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Fu, your reactions to bulba make sense. But I don't like that the only thing you have done so far out of RVS is responding to bulba instead of taking some initiative and doing things yourself.
Titus, I'm wondering why you cannot see the obvious thing that I am saying, everyone seems to understand it but you.
I do agree with the latter part of 313, even more so after obscurity's latest post.
Cherry, is your 316 saying that Titus is town because of his twisted logic? Doesn't make sense to me.-
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What you need to remember, though, is that information from a successful lynch is good and all, but that you also really need info from a mislynch, even more so. If we mislynch obscurity we won't be able to make a step forward tomorrow.In post 328, The Silver Bard wrote:Some say an Obscurity lynch won’t provide info, this is wrong, if Obscurity is indeed scum it will give a lot of info regarding the ones who is pushing for a vig kill on Obscurity, in a game were we it is more likely that we don’t got a vig than it is that we do have one.
Other than that I like your post and I feel the same about 5 or 6/8 reads.
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the lack of creativity in finding unique expressions? (Hi mr pot, meet kettle/pot calling kettle black)-
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What would you get from an obscurity townflip at the moment? I get absolutely nothing.In post 331, The Silver Bard wrote:
Well, a Obscurity lynch resulting in a townflip would also be something that can be analysed. Even though it would be easier for scum to blend in and go after such a target some of the talk regarding the vig option, the vote switching and in general peoples reasoning is something that I would look into.In post 330, TierShift wrote:
What you need to remember, though, is that information from a successful lynch is good and all, but that you also really need info from a mislynch, even more so. If we mislynch obscurity we won't be able to make a step forward tomorrow.In post 328, The Silver Bard wrote:Some say an Obscurity lynch won’t provide info, this is wrong, if Obscurity is indeed scum it will give a lot of info regarding the ones who is pushing for a vig kill on Obscurity, in a game were we it is more likely that we don’t got a vig than it is that we do have one.
Other than that I like your post and I feel the same about 5 or 6/8 reads.
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the lack of creativity in finding unique expressions? (Hi mr pot, meet kettle/pot calling kettle black)
Which reads do you disagree with?
I use these kinds of expressions to make myself understood, as english isn't my first language. Any kind of attempt at trying to "invent" my own expression, would probably only lead to the rest of you misunderstanding me.
I have all reads the same except for mine (obviously), bulba's (for I think he is a tad more scummy than you depict him and I never had a townread on him anyway) and I'm not sure about Fu (not even in my own mind....)-
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I think both of you (BB, Titus) make valid points, but I'm with BB here.
The chance of a vig in the setup is small (30% or something, wrote it before). I'm not willing to give up our day 2 lynch to something stupid with 70% probability. I'd rather 100% give up our day 1 lynch.
I know the scum won't be able to fakeclaim vig anymore but well that's something I'm willing to lose.-
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I'll have to believe the claim, but keep in mind that in 65% of setups there is not a doc. I'd say it makes a high risk high reward fakeclaim for scum. Just as a reminder that we have no way to tell if a doc claim is fake in a majority of cases.
@Titus: BB doesn't have to be scum if bulba is...it just seems highly unlikely the other way around.
Fu, don't you believe the claim? What is the reason for tunneling on bulba?
Why did you claim vanilla? If you're VT, how do you know bulba is scum?
I don't get your behaviour and would vote you, if bulba had not asked us not to do so.-
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In post 267, Titus wrote:
Vote him then.In post 265, FuDuzn wrote:You seem out of sorts, your faux pas of referring to an ongoing game is a big part of what I am talking about. Maybe aloof was the wrong choice of words, but you just seem different from other games I have played with you when you were town. And no I don't have many other specifics to cite, just your general vibe you have going this game, I can't shake it.
Mark my words, this BB boy ain't right.In post 269, Titus wrote:
I find that bullshit. This sounds like an excuse to push someone as scum but not vote them. I get not voting one at a time, but you cannot argue for someone as a scumread and then refuse to vote them.In post 268, FuDuzn wrote:No, I already stated I would rather vote with brain rather than gut. Are you just using my gut suspicion to further a BB wagon?
I quoted all posts of Titus involving Fu day 1. I don't like how that fu townread came out of nowhere. Then there was a very quick Fu vote at the start of day 2. Usually townreads don't flip over to scumreads so quickly.In post 327, Titus wrote:Tiershift, I am more easily understood as scum than town because I already know who is scum.
Bulba, No. I don't understand. What is your case on Fu? I have a townread on him.
Nor do I like that you are absolutely unreadable to me.
I already thought you and fu were the two most scummy players and now I checked back on your interaction...ew. Titus&Fu scumteam methinks.
VOTE: Titus
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