Micro 267 - Indie Game: The UPick - Game Over!

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Vote especially the lies

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So I saw you targetted desp during n1. Any particular reason you did so?

This is extremely interesting, considering I targeted scorp last night.

VOTE: Eek

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You realize this is literally impossible, right?

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It's impossible for me to target more than one person. So how are you saying you tracked me to Desp? That is my point. Why are you saying this when it's not true?

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You're suggesting that I targeted Desperado and he is now dead so I must be scum. Except I know that I'm not and I know that I targeted Scorp. With 9 people I doubt we have only 1 scum; with 2 or 3 people alive on the scum team, you're suggesting that as scum, I'd have submitted an action AND a kill, which isn't allowed unless I'm the last or one and only scum. So either you are scum and lying or you are town and telling the truth with some false results (less likely imo).

p-edit: No I just got his flavor name.

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That has always been the standard every time I have been scum.

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I would think its more likely in a game filled with powers.

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Isaac from some game. I haven't looked it up yet.

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XScorpion is Isaac, from The Binding of Isaac

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Ok. I don't know what that means. I haven't even finished reading the thread yet.

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so you're a tracker and a cop, is that right?

lol... ok.

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None of that makes any sense.

You "tracked" me to scorp and desp, yet I know I didn't track desp and you didn't mention my activity with scorp until after I mentioned it. Now you say that scorp is town, because you got a mysterious PM from the mod telling you so, but only after I give scorp's flavor name.

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Yes it was scorp.

You really think i'd do the exact same thing to the exact same player? That wasnt a flavor cop thing anyway.

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In that game AP said I could not use my ability and send the kill at the same time, I'm pretty sure, which is why you made the kills?

Why would I purposefully lie about something I know you'd be able to catch me on...

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MME or etl is scum. One is lying. It's that simple.

I am fine with being the lynch today. I got backed up and kind of gave up on reading around page 9. I'm not exactly thrilled with the claims as they are confusing as fuck. Somebody said something about self-insanity that made sense as far as why Eek might get false results if he's town. And then there was something about a 3rd party, but I wanted to say at the time that if that was the case there'd have been 2 kills at some point, right? Unless I missed something, there was only one last night. Although, did someone claim a blocking role of some kind?

If you want to give me a day or so, now that it's the weekend, to catch up and stuff, I can post my reads and impressions before hammer. I'd actually like to advise against going with the "if ETL town, then soandso is scum" routine. I originally thought eek was scum for trying to claim i made the kill when he didn't even have my real target, but once seeing the claims sorted that I'd missed, I need some time to think about it and actually get into this game.

Tomorrow I'm not working so I plan to finish reading the whole thread, and post my thoughts. Then you can hammer.

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Slenderman is a bad guy...

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Ugh somebody needs to remind me not to agree to things when I'm drunk. I should not have taken on this game.

So buncha posts that happened, I still didn't finish reading and I don't think I'm going to.

I don't think the Slenderman being a bad guy things makes any difference to Eek's alignment. I'm not familiar with any of the flavor/games that people have mentioned beyond that one - I also don't know how they were chosen. I'm not exactly familiar with the setup. Bleh.... this game is getting the shit from me, sorry. I don't really know about Eek. I don't really get his claim and it seems to have changed since he first claimed, so I'm not sure what that's about. I have to look at the other claims too - someone posted a full list, can you repost that please? Because I don't remember who did that.

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Ok. So my flavor is Jacket from Hotline Miami, and I have these masks that are basically 1-shot dealios. The Rasmus mask is the one I used last night that is the flavor cop. The others are similar. I've never even heard of this game - did people pick their own games? grim picked dumb thing. I don't know what this stuff does.

Has anyone made a Dr. Who, Timelord, joke yet? Because I really wanted to when I saw that in the mod ISO.

Anyway, the masks are pretty useful, and if I'm not the lynch then I'd rather keep the other masks to myself for the time being. I do think I'd be able to choose a better target now that I know what some of the other claims are, since last night I just threw a name out based on the VCs. I'm fine with full-claiming if there's intent at L1 and besides I think if I have these cool things then other town must have some cool things too, so losing me wouldn't be terrible. And selfishly because I'm not exactly dedicated to this game and I believe Aldus coerced me to replace while I was intoxicated.

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Who - Town Reviver {Basically now an IC}
BRO - Weak Visitor {Basically and essentially a cop}
MME - Tracker {Basically a cop}
TS - QT Spy
XScrop - Friendly Neighbor
Desperado - Delayed DayKiller [?]
ETL - Flavor Cop [?]
Trine - ??
TV - Not tellin'.

Mk. We don't have the claimed targets here?

Who

- Dr Who, timelord - but really, can he revive only himself or other people too? would be cool to get desp back. or whoever was lynched on d1 if they were town (i dont remember) or was this 1-shot and he used it on himself?

BRO

is a weak visitor, the wiki says: "A Visitor (also known as False Positive) is a player who has an action that does not do anything. The player can target another player at Night, and will be seen by any Trackers or Watchers, but the action itself has no in-game effect." So who did he target last night? If his claim is to be believed, then at least the person he targeted is confirmed, and more than likely so is he.

MME

is a tracker. Claims he targeted me last and received TWO results (Desperado and Scorp). Did not claim the scorp target until after I mentioned it though. Regardless of the flavor this is the most suspicious to me, except he says the person he targets is supposed to go insane. He said he also got a message from the mod saying that xscorp is town.

TS

(who is this?) QT spy - What is this? Can someone point me to where this claim happened?

xscorp

is friendly neighbor - a neighbor or neighborizer? I got flavor of Isaac from whatever that game was, but I didn't get role/alignment. Someone said mailman, I don't know what a mailman is. Wiki says : A Mailman (or Courier) is a role that can send a message to another player at Night. The sender of the message is usually anonymous to the recipient. Where did this mailman thing come from? The friendly modifier, we saw that in AP's game, someone was a friendly something or other and tried to send a message to Reck. Anyway this fits with what Eek said about his mod message about scorp, so I'm inclined to believe he's town. Pretty strongly actually.

Desperado

- Delayed DayKiller - died N1, flipped town.

ETL

- I think this is like a JOAT. flavor copped xscorp N1, received "Isaac froms omething or other" I don't remember right now. I'll get the pm in a second.

Trine

- refuse to claim?

TV

- refused to claim?

Ok, so if I can get BRO's target, then we have Bro, xscorp, who and bro's target in my town pile. Trine, TV, Eek are most suspicious, Eek less than the other two. And null on TS because I don't know who that is.

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Oh yeah I didn't even finish my thought about the insanity thing Eek said - I got a true result on scorp so clearly I was not made insane.

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Eek - why would you assume you make people insane? Can you just clarify where that came from?

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My role pm mentions "I make people insane when targetting them, but why would I care?" (paraphrased)

I asked the mod what this means and he said something like "the role pm says what the role pm says". So, it's not a yes and it's not a no.

I have no idea what that is even supposed to mean, I'd think the mod should be able to clarify that, I don't understand why he didn't.

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scorp - confirming I did not receive anything about desp.

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Ok, so Trine is also a JOAT? and they used commute last night. Bro targeted trine but was unable to because they commuted. this doesn't confirm trine though. I'm good on confirming bro for now. I think we'd be well lynching within {trine, TV, eek}, will iso trine and tv because i have the least on those two, and more interaction with eek - he's also more of a "wtf" read for me. i dont know what the claim does and beyond the claim i have nothing.

p-edit: yeah i kinda realized that when i got the result. i think some of them are red herring abilities.

p-edit 2: what is a fruit vendor?

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Didn't you just say bro is all but conftown to you now, Trine?

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I guess I dont understand the purpose in playing devils advocate to your own read.

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Yeah because you brought it up as a reason not to trust one of the claims, and I didn't understand what you were trying to put doubt about, and then you say it was in reference to bro's claim, but you were the one who brought up fruit vendors in the first place after saying bro is conftown to you? Do you understand my confusion?

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i have 3. I dont like your reasoning at all, obviously, because i know my own alignment. I also dont exactly like that you're using the fact that i used 1 of my 3 last night (?????) and the other ones i have are very similar. as i said I will full claim the other 2 if there is intent to hammer at L1 but i feel like this is just an attempt to find out what other things I have in store for scum, which is pretty scummy in itself. add to that your resistance to claiming until you've had time to process the other claims, i just don't see the above coming from town.

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How does starting a massclaim make you not-scum?

p-edit: it's not a misrep; it's what i see. If I said you did something that you didn't, then I could understand calling it a misrep. Except it's not because I gave my impression of your post, and what I feel is the motivation behind it.

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I don't know what that means. It is definitely suspicious stating you want to hear other claims but refusing to claim your own until after everyone else?

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But, Trine, YOU DON'T HAVE ROLE RESULTS ON LIVING TOWN, DO YOU? YOU HAVE NO RESULTS. YOU CLAIM TO HAVE COMMUTED, THAT'S IT.

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AND YOU THINK RUNNING ME UP IS ANY BETTER??? Bullshit.

I don't fucking care. I'll full claim and be neutralized and probably dead tonight if I'm not quickhammered anyway. So idgaf anymore.

You guys need to look at Trine and TV tomorrow. If they are both alive tomorrow, there is something wrong.

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FULL CLAIM AHOY BECAUSE I'M GOING TO BED AND YOU NEED TO LYNCH TRINE TOMORROW.

My other two masks are George mask and Rufus mask.

George mask: I can choose someone and see what is done to them but not who.
Rufus mask: I can protect someone and if they are target for a kill I die instead.

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protective roles? mine is not a protective role scummy - I DIE. you say you tried to crumb doc to draw a night kill? and then conveniently claim doc? why would you "commute" last night instead of protecting who???

VOTE: trine

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If you lynch me today, you will get a town flip. End of story.

When that happens, lynch the scum who pushed it.

p-edit: AND YET YOU DIDN'T USE IT?!?!?1 It's so fucking convenient for you now isn't it. Claim doc, oh nonsense. AND a roleblocker when I got 3 shit weak things and town seems loaded? I DON'T THINK SO.

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You are saying you have commuter, doctor, AND roleblocker. When I have 3 bullshit actions I can use, I don't believe you are a town role, considering town is stacked. Your abilities are too strong, and JK? Oh I'm sure that was just a ploy between the two of you to distance because "why would scum have both RB and a JK". Come on now. You must really think I'm dumb. I don't need to understand what you claim to have done to understand game balancing.

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Right. Well fuck you too.

Bro is a WEAK something or other. No matter you say about fruit vendors, there's no reason to give this to scum. He's town.
scorp is confirmed by his role and eek's confirmation of receipt.
who is conftown.

that leaves, you, eek, and tv - exactly who i said we should be looking at. how do you get associating myself with anyone WHEN I'M FUCKING TOWN?????

so you wanna talk about misreps, man, that last post of yours is one fucking big one. i've given my reads and full claim. i haven't lied about a single thing. and here you are, pushing a case that doesn't even make sense.

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nice. calling me dumb to discredit me?

EAT. ROPE. SCUM.

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OMFG. THAT MAKES SO MUCH SENSE. A game with a weak neighborizer and scum with a commute ability?

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No. You could have "doc'd" anyone and still have BRO target you if you were town. But since you're not, you had to get out, since EVERYONE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO TARGET YOU.

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It would make more sense to FUCKING PROTECT THE CONF TOWN.

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K I'm back, sorta. We had a horrible snowstorm and dealing with car issues and working late and driving home in the dark and ice i went to bed early. Anyway I missed a buncha pages here.

While I do believe Trine is scum I am not quite ready to end the day just yet, please. I have to work for the next 6 hours but I'll be aroubd after that and wanna go through some of the info before going into night.

Someone asked why i used the flavor cop - because it doesnt spe ificaly say "flavor" and i didnt want to die on n1 from protecting who. I was banking on there being a blocking type role. The rasmus mask say i will find out spmethi.g about the target. Thats it.

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You have a player who CAPSLOCKED for a while and then disappeared in the middle of 1v1.

Hey scum. I went to bed. But you're right. That's totally a scum-tell.

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Yep, you were around and posting yesterday.

I think I made one or two posts yesterday from my phone, but on the whole I ignored my games because I was dead tired. From the time I went to bed Monday night, I woke up, worked, drove from work (which took a long as fucking time thanks to the weather), stopped at the grocery, came home, made dinner, cleaned the kitchen because lazy mess from Monday, and went to bed. How much posting do you actually expect from me? I cannot believe you are legitimately trying to use this as a case against me. Are you seriously unable to find any actual reasoning? As if I fucking lied about going to bed? GTFO with that nonsense.

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Go look at my posts again. I made 1 post in each game. I think I posted in one of them twice.

So yeah. Fuck off and hang, scum.

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I don even really care trine. This game is fucked up and I dont get it. So if you somehow DO flip town, yeah, I'm next, and then game over and I don't care.

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I think you are scum because your explanation for why you chose to commute despite BRO saying he was going to target you with his WEAK neighborizer or whatever it was, doesnt make any sense to me. It is fucking fishy as hell and in a game with a weak whatever, a scum commuter makes complete sense. I think you are lying about being a JOAT. You didnt say anything about this until I DID. And on top of that, if you WERE town with a doc ability, why the fuck would you not protect who? It would essentially clear you as well but you supposedly "chose not to". Not to mention the fact that no matter what YOU THINK, if you are town, you fucking protect the conftown. Then there is your push on me, which has thus far been a bunch of misreps and attempts to tie me to TV. But this I dont care as much because I know you will flip scum and it will be as obvious to others what you are doing as it is to me.

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If you were town, then BRO visiting you would not make a difference and you'd be able to protect who. And this is why I think you are only a commuter because IT MAKES NO SENSE. It makes far more sense to confirm both yourself and bro AND PROTECT WHO coming into D2 with 3 fucking conftowns but no. You didnt. Because you arent town and you arent a joat and you couldnt afford to let bro die targeting you.

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I want Trine dead. I believe they are scum and I explained why. If that isn't going to happen, I will self hammer at deadline. But you wanted a 1v1, you got it.

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ok.

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I used george mask on scorp and saw "protective".

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Is the madness over?

Last time I replace into a no-win situation.

*sigh*

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It is pretty balanced imo. Scum just made some fatal mistakes that could not possibly have been foreseen. Unfortunately. Town used their abilities very well.

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I actually have 5 abilities.

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So who is the princess?

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The redirect dealt with who bro targeted, before he hid. The commuting didnt affect who he targeted, nor the redirect. The redirect changed his target BEFORE he hid and should have gone through. That, imo, changed the game tremendously and I am very disappointed with that particular turn of events. It was resolved incorrectly.

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The commuting didnt affect who he targeted, nor the redirect.

I disagree with this. How does a Redirector target someone who is untargetable?

The redirect targeted Bro, not Trine.

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The way the role PM was worded it actually targets Trine.

That's just not how a redirector works. I haven't seen the role PM but I can guarantee you that is not what was expected per standard roles and action resolution.

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It's fine, really. Your role PM would take precedence over the wiki or any expectations. I'm just disappointed.