Micro 279: Uncommon Mafia - OVER

[yessiree]

bob you suck big dicks

/confirm

[yessiree]

wut?

[yessiree]

oh dam that backfired

[yessiree]

so Bert claimed scum in his first post

makes things nice and easy

VOTE: Bert

[yessiree]

lol

[yessiree]

too pussy to hammer?

[yessiree]

oh, damn, this town is kinda slow

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

^That's really unfortunate for you and really scumvenient for you at the same time

[yessiree]

was that calling my name or just concurring?

[yessiree]

implosion,

so defensive

[yessiree]

I'd say DLA's reaction slightly reinforced my scumread on him; your actions haven't given me any strong reads.

so DLA not going further with the inquiry of the reason for Aegor's vote reinforced your scumread on DLA?

why is that?

[yessiree]

nvm didn't read

[yessiree]

I townread DLA, so I'll waiting for your reasons too, Aegor

[yessiree]

indeed

[yessiree]

ask me a question
give one and you will receive
give it one more tryyyyyyy....

are you acting this way because you didn't get off a good start since I'm on your scumass?

[yessiree]

guys, vote bert

[yessiree]

toot toot has room for more passengers

[yessiree]

so if I become useful in this game, I'm getting insta scumread by you, DLA?

[yessiree]

what makes you think you can distinguish my scum game and my town game, based off one scum I played in?

just

no

[yessiree]

I am town, but still, fuck you for saying I'm useless

[yessiree]

I just need one post to catch scum, and I've already found one this game

[yessiree]

that's assuming I will be useless all game based on my early day 1 posts

if you really read into my meta you'll come to the conclusion that I'm asymptotically more useful as the game goes on

[yessiree]

if you graph scum-catching efficiency against progress into a game

it means my scum-catching efficiency shoots up to god-tier at an exponential rate as the game goes on

[yessiree]

do you really wanna continue down this line of this irrelevant argument and just allow me to say, fuck you for saying im useless?

[yessiree]

u

[yessiree]

what, only 3 more days until deadline, what to do...

[yessiree]

what can i say

l2dealwithit

[yessiree]

=(

[yessiree]

Vote: Bicephalous Bob

transition to voting Klick looks mighty bland and like looking across the ocean and the sea

does this mean you got no better target to vote right now?

[yessiree]

VOTE: Klick

I know you did something last night, did you play around with gas?

[yessiree]

Nope.

I'd still rather not claim, but if the consensus is for me to, then I will.

type is fine too

[yessiree]

well that's awkward.

I was expecting there to be a claim already to explain why the no kill happened.

Why? We have a flipped firefighter - it's quite possible that either there's an arsonist or mafia that have some unusual method of killing or anything else along those lines. i.e. shenanigans could be afoot. And besides, it isn't always in a kill-stopping town role's interest to claim...

fire fighter is always coupled with arsonist, otherwise it's meaningless to include it in a game. I'm fairly certain the mafia's kill method is limited to ways of arson alone. That also explains the lack of a NK last night, due to the nature of arsonists.

I have reasons to suspect Klick is the arsonist, it's in his best interested to full claim, or claim role type.

[yessiree]

VOTE: Klick

I also do not think the intent to avoid a lynch and to "possibly" draw a night kill justifies the decision to not claim yesterday. For one, it could cause as much confusion among the town PRs as it could for the scum team. And second, it caused a real town PR to be lynched yesterday in your stead.

Overall, that is not the mentality a town should have, because it is just too scum-venient.

[yessiree]

I'm at work right now just gonna say Bob deserves a slap in the face for suggesting mass claim

[yessiree]

actually a punch in the dick

[yessiree]

I'm thinking he's town tho

[yessiree]

what

[yessiree]

and what does this have to do with Klick?

[yessiree]

UNVOTE:

[yessiree]

why the vote on Aldi?

[yessiree]

I don't think Klick and Aldi are scum together.

why is Klick included in the pair, since you just confirmed Klick cannot be scum

what kind of reasoning is this

[yessiree]

okay, so from all of this set up speculation,

7:1:1 sound plausible? with 2 anti-town factions being an alien and an arsonist

[yessiree]

okay, lemme make this clear

9 players, likely 7:2

flipped fire-fighter -> indicates existence of arsonist
claimed visitor -> indicates tracker/watcher
claimed loyal conspiracy theorist -> indicates captain and aliens

I treat Klick's claim with more credibility than all of this alien crap because his role, in conjunction with mine, strongly indicates the existence of an arsonist, which is further reinforced by Bert's flip.

But fucking aliens?

[yessiree]

I kind of want yessiree to full claim so that we can get a better idea of whether or not Klick's claim is legitimate. The less powerful yessiree is the more I'm inclined to disbelieve Klick's claim because Klick is basically claiming Miller except for Trackers/Watchers/whatever instead of Cops. If yessiree's role is powerful enough to *warrant* a role to reduce its power, then maybe I'll think about believing Klick. If it's something lame then Klick is probably lying.

I investigate for action types, as in {investigative, killing, protective, misc}

Klick's action type was misc, which I thought could include dousing someone in gas. But just by visiting someone plainly does fall under the misc category as well.

[yessiree]

hello, the guy who beat me in a chess game

[yessiree]

Aldi, why is my role too "weak" to warrant the role serra is claiming?

I think the sole purpose of my role is to invest for the arson, and visitor is the perfect role to hinder that process

[yessiree]

town follower, possible results are Investigative, Protective, Killing, or Miscellaneous, and I believe I have to make my own judgement calls on what actions falls into which category

your slot had my suspicion until the claim, which I believed to be true. So right now I don't really have any original scumread

[yessiree]

Actually, yessiree, why did you come out asking whether klick had doused someone? If you really are a follower, misc would also indicate any of the self-vanillaisers N1.

The initial suspicion arose from his refusal to claim when ran up, given that his role would hinder my power in the presence of an arson

his refusal to claim also made me believe he was not a self-vanillizer

[yessiree]

serra, you're missing the possibility that the arsonist could also be an alien simultaneously; it's uncommon but more believable under this setting

I just don't see how 6-2-1 can be plausible, even in a PR-heavy town

In that case, I believe Bob's claim, I believe Ald's claim; these two shouldn't be lynched

implosion is lean town, without considering the claim

I will consider lynching any of the remaining three {serra, PhD, Mac} today by poe

[yessiree]

Klick still refused to claim

after

a firefighter has been flipped, refer to 339. I don't understand how this mentality can come from a town's perspective, especially after I made it clear to have some sort of lead on him. The flip itself served as indications to the existence of an arsonist. Yet, he still refused to claim when he clearly knew his role would interfere with investigations of the town PR who was responsible for snooping out the arsonist.

And it is not just a coincidence that Klick's just happened to fit into my investigation perfectly. It is not difficult to think of roles to fake-claim as arsonist; not after I prompted him to claim his role type. Obviously he wasn't gonna claim killing. The fact that dousing people is essentially the same as visiting them, while at the same time these actions do not fit into the investigative, or protective category, makes me believe that it is not difficult to for him to have claimed visitor after some consideration.

Regarding Aldi's claim. The intrinsic claim does not necessarily make him town. However, it is his decision to claim and the timing of the claim, in the face of the possibility of immediate suspicion, were the elements that sold me that he's indeed a town captain instead of a scum one.

Set up wise. Assuming we are using the 6-2-1 model. It is now 4-2-1, If we mislynch today, 2 night kills could potentially take place tonight. In the worst case, this makes it 1-2-1 next morning. Even without the mod kill on Wake's slot, it would be 2-2-1. And that's incredibly difficult to win as town. This is, of course, assuming all the kills are landed on town members.

[yessiree]

Actually, now that I think about it, if we are under the 6-2-1 setting, then Bob's inno on serra becomes irrelevant with regard to serra being the arsonist, since the arsonist is not associated with the aliens.

VOTE: serrapaladin

[yessiree]

I would be down for a PhD lynch also, not particularly impressed with his inactivity

I never really understood why Klick had to replace out, but it would certainly make sense for a caught-scum to lose interest in a game and become inactive

[yessiree]

I don't care; that's a Gambler's Fallacy and you can't use that as an argument to deduce someone's allignment

[yessiree]

I'll be around tomorrow

UNVOTE:

for now

[yessiree]

where is the D

[yessiree]

and holy shit Aldi, are you trolling?

[yessiree]

I will be online from this point all the way up til deadline

intent to hammer PhD

[yessiree]

were you trolling?

[yessiree]

were you trolling?

Depends on which post you're asking about.

like, I have no idea what you were talking about for all of page 20

[yessiree]

Feel free to reread it.

[yessiree]

that's not very far

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

I give you 10 minutes to claim

after 10 minutes I hammer your ass

[yessiree]

5 minutes

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4 minutes

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3 minutes

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2 minutes

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1 minute

[yessiree]

fuck

you gonna test me?

[yessiree]

VOTE: hanzo_5

[yessiree]

or I'm town and I just hammered your scumass

[yessiree]

I investigated mac and he performed a "misc" action

[yessiree]

if Mac is the arsonist, isn't it in our best interest to lynch the arsonist today so he doesn't get any kills?

Also, since implosion claimed un-lynchable, why is he not killed last night? This supports the fact that there is really only one anti-town faction, and that's the arson faction.

[yessiree]

If Mac is the arsonist, he has two dousings so far. I think our best strategy would be to lynch from yessiree/aldi today and Mac tomorrow unless yessiree flips alien.

This is scummy, attempting to narrow down the lynch pool to only aldi and me while allowing the alleged arson to roam free? Assuming 7-2, and scum team killing method is thru arson only, this is already mylo, how do you not realize lynching a town today is basically a game-throw?

I mean holy shit just do the math

lynch town
5 into tonight
arson team ignites either 2 or 1
that's either 2:2 or 1:2 (town: scum) going into tomorrow
town loses

[yessiree]

the fact that implosion and Bob are still alive makes me think we're not looking at 6-2-1 here, that would make the the proposed alien team have... no NKs...

[yessiree]

implosion is just 1-shot unlynchable. He could be scum, or if he's town, he can still be endgamed.

What's your plan if implosion is scum? give him a free pass to end game while he coast on that claim?

Keeping bob alive actually makes sense if either you or aldi are alien. If it's aldi, bob living and getting another "inno" on mac helps sell his double arsonist theory, while if you're scum, you obviously did a good job in having your claim believed and setting Mac up, so you can save your kill.

fair point

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

what of it

no no I just thought that it was already painfully obvious that we're the only valid alien candidates now

who you gonna lynch today?

I don't plan on letting implosion (or his replacement...) coast at all. In fact, I think it's fairly likely he is scum, but since it'd take 2 shots to lynch him, I think he's best left for last. I mean, I guess we could lynch him once, so we know whether he's telling the truth about his role, but that doesn't really tell us much about his alignment and would basically be a wasted day.

That's the point. That's a really goddamn scum-venient claim to avoid the danger of being lynched.

[yessiree]

So you tacitly agree that Bob's investigation has some significance?

No, I agree that Bob's investigation has significance given the premise that there are Aliens.

Actually, I think you screwed up in trying to make your theory consistent. If you truly believe we're not dealing with aliens, why would Bob's role be at all alignment indicative?

Are trying to tell me that Bob is an Arsonist?

Anyway, between Mac and yessiree, I think it's pretty obvious that Mac is scum, and yessiree bussing would be... unusual, to say the least. So that means the 2nd Arsonist is you or implosion.

who are in your lynch pool today?

[yessiree]

It's pretty much suicide for town to let Mac live tonight

[yessiree]

nice conclusion serra, but I'm town

[yessiree]

what do you mean by that?

[yessiree]

why would I lie when town is in danger of losing if we allow the arsonist to survive...

can we just lynch mac already

VOTE: Mac

[yessiree]

@callforjudgement,

I agree with your speculation that the setup most likely revolves around a 7:2 town:scum ratio with the scum team having a factional "douse" or factional "ignite" action to choose.

Under such a setting, I've cast my suspicion on serra being the arson at the beginning of day 2. I find his compulsive-visitor claim a perfect fakeclaim to render my power useless.

If Mac had turned out innocent on my invest last night, you will be the last scum coasting on a lynch-proof claim to avoid getting lynched.

[yessiree]

What's the point of putting a red herring role in the scum team?

[yessiree]

I don't think it's impossible, I just don't see the point is all.

[yessiree]

Yes, I will receive "No Result"

[yessiree]

yeah Mac is ConfScum at this point. I'm not lynching anyone else today

[yessiree]

because if bob and you is the scum pair you can quickhammer?

[yessiree]

not from my perspective, but it's plausible from TCFJ's

[yessiree]

questions, concerns, throw them this way

[yessiree]

I didn't want to full claim before making Klick claim because he has refused to claim twice prior, when given the opportunity, and the fact that if his claim is truthful, he knew all along that it would interfere with tracker type investigative role, so why the refusal to claim then? That was what's on my mind when I didn't want to show my full hand yet.

[yessiree]

Your question is pretty vague, so I'll just re-iterate: it's to not show my full hand before committing.

"I know you did something last night." Could imply any variant of tracker type.

And I didn't tell him to claim role type before he refused to claim once more after being prompted.

[yessiree]

I don't really see what you're trying to accomplish here though.

Are you doubting my claim now?

[yessiree]

It was the only lead I have at the time, and it's not like I was gonna lie about that.

[yessiree]

besides, it's not uncommon for town PRs to intentionally mislead the target they investigated with a result that could indicate guilty

i.e. if Klick had claimed doctor to deny the "played around with gas part", then it's confirmed guilty to me

[yessiree]

I didn't?

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

at least we know Ald/Bob aren't scum together

[yessiree]

I don't really have anything to add to what already has been said.

Mac is confScum.

My gut still says serra is the remaining scum. Given that I'm probably doused already at this point, I doubt I'll live through tonight.

[yessiree]

Surely you already knew that given your alleged guilty on him?

I knew that for a fact, yes, only I, but now it's a known fact

What do you think of cfj and his walls?

I appreciate the effort.

of the scum-pair speculations

Mac/serra is the most probable and this is where I stand atm
Mac/Bob, I don't think Bob is scum, and since they are not both scum at the same time, so in the off chance there is one scum between them I'd choose Aldi as scum
Mac/Aldi is possible but I don't see Aldi as scum
Mac/TCFJ, I have considered this, but given the amount of effort put in by CFJ, this is unlikely
Mac/yessiree, why would we 1v1 when it's potentially mylo

Aldi/yessiree, I haven't considered this pair, but it would only fit into the 6-2-1 category with the lone arson as the extra anti-town faction, since if I was arsonist AND a follower, who am I supposed to follow?
Bob/yessiree, I don't see this, one that takes orders from town to investigate for alledged "aliens", one that investigates for... what?
TCFJ/yessiree, haven't thought of it
serra/yessiree, not possible since my play so far would only include busing attempts

[yessiree]

Mac/Bob, I don't think Bob is scum, and since they

(Bob, Aldi)

are not both scum at the same time, so in the off chance there is one scum between them I'd choose Aldi as scum

[yessiree]

read 682

dont try and fling shit around when you haven't read the entire thread

[yessiree]

Bob, Aldi

Have you made up your mind yet?

If so, what's the hold up?

If not, then what's the hold up?

[yessiree]

that was just because no one else was posting for a long while and I had nothing better to say

[yessiree]

have you made up your mind yet?

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

CFJ, I'm not mocking Bob for his indecisiveness, what I'm poking at is his inaction to get out of his indecisiveness.

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

CFJ, you arson bro?

[yessiree]

Serra, it's YOU isn't it

[yessiree]

Lol, no, it's still not me...

Given cfj's last two posts, it's pretty obvious he was expecting this to happen.

It's definitely yessiree/cfj, and they are definitely aliens. The reason the game isn't over is probably because they haven't technically achieved their wincon, since the usual 50% rule relies on scum being able to force a no-lynch and then kill.

VOTE: yessiree

Unfortunately, lynching scum would require a bus today, so it looks like this'll be a draw.

lmao why are you voting, it's not like my partner is gonna bus me

[yessiree]

One thing to consider is that, if one arsonist is still alive, no lynch means today means arsonist victory

[yessiree]

I'm considering two votes: yessiree, and no-lynch; which depends on the mod's answers to my questions. No-lynch is safe in pretty much every situation today; arsonists can't kill in one night, and aliens can't kill at all. (In fact, depending on the mod's answers to questions, it may be safe to no-lynch up to twice.) A yessiree lynch also makes sense because he's confirmed scum atm, but I want to establish that I wouldn't be losing the game by doing that.

No lynch ain't safe for town at all. He could have doused 1 of the remaining players last night and is ready to ignite tonight should no lynch occur.

Basicall, if there IS an arsonist, the remaining townie decides who wins between arson/scum

[yessiree]

why would I want to be lynched, that doesn't make any sense

worst comes to worst, we vote no lynch and hope there isn't an arsonist

[yessiree]

there won't be a draw if an arsonist exist, since he can just douse and ignite away if we keep no-lynching

[yessiree]

lol, serra, you're the arsonist aren't you

[yessiree]

Nope, I'm town, so I don't think there is an arsonist.

Do you admit to being alien then? What's your wincon?

I would have won if there's no arsonist alive in the game right now.

The game is still ongoing.

Therefore, there is an arsonist alive.

[yessiree]

Also, how does you being town negate the possibility of there being an arsonist?

You don't fancy the possibility that one in {Aldi, CFJ} could be the arsonist?

[yessiree]

I know I'm conf-scum after Mac flipped town, so there's no need to remind anyone of that.

Silly jelly beans

[yessiree]

Well it's not me, so either you misunderstood your wincon, or the one of aldi/cfj who isn't your buddy is actually the arsonist.

Nope, I have full understanding of my wincon. And the only explanation as to why I have not won is if a killing role still exists.

I think cfj is your buddy, so that would make aldi a captain/arsonist which is just very strange.

I guess there's a chance cfj is the arsonist, but then town has lost anyways, since it takes 2 shots to lynch him, so it doesn't really matter.

If your wincon is anything like the greater-idea alien wincon, 2 vs. 2 is not an alien win.

let's assume CFJ does end up being the arson, we can still try lynching him today to see what happens. ;D

I'm surprised you're not trying to convince the town you were redirected or something

that would require you being a bus driver or witch or some shit like that so idk

[yessiree]

yeah town has lost, no doubt about that, but town still has the power to change which anti-town faction wins though

[yessiree]

I don't want to say my wincon out loud since I'm not sure if that will get me modkilled.

but just trust me, we win ties

Also, one of {Aldi, serra, CFJ} is my buddy

[yessiree]

It depends if you us to win or the lone arsonist to win though

so which one do you hate more? arsonist or aliens?

[yessiree]

*if you want us to win or*

[yessiree]

Are you saying aldi is your buddy then?

I don't believe you about your wincon. The only way you can win is if we lynch someone today, so you have every reason to make us believe it isn't a tie.

If you were telling the truth, it doesn't matter what happens since town has lost anyways, but if you're lying, the way to secure a tie is to no-lynch, so this is a no-brainer.

Actually, this is wrong. A draw would have already happened if nothing can alter that. Since the game is still on-going. Someone killing role still exists AKA arsonist.

[yessiree]

No, I still don't believe you.

If you were expecting to win today, why would you kill bob?

because I didn't think there'd be actually arsonist in this game. We win if it's 2-2. Right now it's 2-1-1 and the 3rd party has NK powers.

[yessiree]

Either way, if you're town you lost anyways, so why not place a vote on {Aldi, CFJ}

[yessiree]

No, I still don't believe you.

If you were expecting to win today, why would you kill bob?

because I didn't think there'd be actually arsonist in this game. We win if it's 2-2. Right now it's 2-1-1 and the 3rd party has NK powers.

Still no. Even if you were pretty sure there's no arsonist, it would still be a strictly better idea to target someone who MIGHT have a kill.

@yessiree: Is your scumteam responsible for the kill last night?

I fucked up that night kill because I thought CFJ was BP fakeclaiming lynch-proof

[yessiree]

or he is arsonist fake claiming lynch-proof, but I didn't thought of that

so CFJ, are you actually the arsonist? if so, admitting it now won't cost you the game since serra won't vote you no matter what

[yessiree]

[yessiree]

k doesn't look like we're going anywhere so

VOTE: draw
VOTE: no lynch

[yessiree]

dammit serra

[yessiree]

wait, did you ignite all 3 of us?

[yessiree]

well it's not like you were going to vote serra, and I didn't see any point in dragging on

[yessiree]

serra's fakeclaim won him the game

[yessiree]

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/EGy6wSSYi6P

feel free to read the mess

[yessiree]

serra's fakeclaim won him the game

You mean Klick's? lol

right, Klick's claim